Nirvana
The Raven
into cyber punk you'll get awfully confused. The video sleeve makes it sound
like just another VR shootout.
I liked it, my other half got totally confused and stopped watching it.
--
The Raven
** Undisputed President of the ozemail.* NG's
** Conqueror of the uunet.* NG's
ant
"The Raven" <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
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> Anyone rented the video Nirvana starring Christopher Lambert? Unless
you're
> into cyber punk you'll get awfully confused. The video sleeve makes it
sound
> like just another VR shootout.
>
> I liked it, my other half got totally confused and stopped watching it.
>
>
sounds like it might be worth a watch, movies that confuse and bore most
people are my style.
cant belive how many people have not watched hitchcocks vertigo, such a
classic and so moody, the restored print is nice, a good soundtrack makes a
big difference as does the consistant color tint and ballence.
ant
ScoobyGang
"ant"
> cant belive how many people have not watched hitchcocks vertigo, such a
> classic and so moody, the restored print is nice, a good soundtrack makes
a
> big difference as does the consistant color tint and ballence.
I watched that a couple of times last year on FOXTEL. Encore had it on,
restored print.
Loved it. Watched it a couple of times because it was great and not because
I could not understand it :)
ant
"ScoobyGang" <Scoob...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "ant"
> > cant belive how many people have not watched hitchcocks vertigo, such a
> > classic and so moody, the restored print is nice, a good soundtrack
makes
> a
> > big difference as does the consistant color tint and ballence.
>
> I watched that a couple of times last year on FOXTEL. Encore had it on,
> restored print.
>
that is where i first watched the restored print, its out on DVD now, am
going to have ot get it.
> Loved it. Watched it a couple of times because it was great and not
because
> I could not understand it :)
>
>
i could watch that movie at least once a week, its so good and so well
crafted, so nice to have the odd film that does not treat the audience as
total idiots.
ant
Zak McKracken
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<snip>
> i could watch that movie at least once a week, its so good and so well
> crafted, so nice to have the odd film that does not treat the audience as
> total idiots.
Totally unrelated, but hows life in the puddle now that you're no longer
Australia's favourite ISP's favourite customer :P
ps if you don't know who it is, I may have aquired an illegal recording of a
retrain loop that you may or may not have made some time ago :) ps - don't
give the secret alibi away - zak_mckracken at the mail is hot dot com.
:)
ant
"Zak McKracken" <n...@way-notta-chance.com> wrote in message
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> "ant" <spam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:F4YB6.7543$W7.3...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> <snip>
>
> > i could watch that movie at least once a week, its so good and so well
> > crafted, so nice to have the odd film that does not treat the audience
as
> > total idiots.
>
> Totally unrelated, but hows life in the puddle now that you're no longer
> Australia's favourite ISP's favourite customer :P
>
rather good, a few teething problems but the network seems to be setteling
down now, not having to worry about time or download limits is nice, dont
have to download newsgroups for offline reading<it took me a while ot get
out of the habit though> my best effort so far has been three days
connected, makes napster and streaming media sites a whole lot more fun,
cant say i am to happy about the bills but for the level of service its a
definate improvement over the old dial up.
the most common fault is verification, but that usually only lasts a few
mins, they even tell us when the service is going to be down and send out
emails explaining what went wrong when something breaks, very disconcerting
for an ozemail customer.
> ps if you don't know who it is, I may have aquired an illegal recording of
a
> retrain loop that you may or may not have made some time ago :) ps -
don't
> give the secret alibi away - zak_mckracken at the mail is hot dot com.
>
ahh, the plot thickens, that retrain loop was a fun one, i still have it and
a few other less entertaining ones on a cd somewhere, glad to say that that
problem at least was fixed at ozemail when the new modems came online.
seems their web server had a little connectivity problem this afternoon, it
was down at 3:15 but was back again at 4:05, wonder what happened.
> :)
>
hmm, trying to work out the above email address, mines pretty obvious just
adedwrd1 at the puddle, one of the new ones without the com ending.
am now expolreing the joys of firewalls and home networking and internet
connection shareing, so far its been about average for MS product, lots of
strange behaviour and unexplained bugs but it seems to be setteling now and
the babys are talking to each other most of the time. for my first attempt
at a hub based ethernet network its not to bad i guess, now for the file
server and lan compliant electrical switches and sockets.
i am trying to think of practical uses for the coming "Norn brain on a chip"
for around the house, perhaps mobile security cameras or a stove that does
not like to burn things, perhaps a garden maintenence robot, the lucy work
http://www.cyberlife-research.com/Lucy/ is going rather well and the limbs
seem to be working ok along with a simplified visual cortex, she is still in
software mode at the moment having her brain recofigured and tweaked but
once hte things in a pretty robust form the chip production will start. i
already have dibs on some prototype ones :-)
the manifesto makes good reading
http://www.cyberlife-research.com/articles/manifesto/manifesto.htm
there is some other interesting reading on the site as well, although the
luck site needs an updatre badly, perhaps for her first birthday next month.
ant
Zak McKracken
> > Totally unrelated, but hows life in the puddle now that you're no longer
> > Australia's favourite ISP's favourite customer :P
>
> rather good, a few teething problems but the network seems to be setteling
> down now, not having to worry about time or download limits is nice, dont
> have to download newsgroups for offline reading<it took me a while ot get
> out of the habit though> my best effort so far has been three days
> connected, makes napster and streaming media sites a whole lot more fun,
> cant say i am to happy about the bills but for the level of service its a
> definate improvement over the old dial up.
Heh. with all my past experience in dialup, OzEmail & iHug were the only
ones that I had problems with - and that includes Microplex :) However, O@H
appear to be doing a good job so far, not *too* many problems.
> the most common fault is verification, but that usually only lasts a few
> mins, they even tell us when the service is going to be down and send out
> emails explaining what went wrong when something breaks, very
disconcerting
> for an ozemail customer.
Don't have that problem - perm connection :)
> ahh, the plot thickens, that retrain loop was a fun one, i still have it
and
> a few other less entertaining ones on a cd somewhere, glad to say that
that
> problem at least was fixed at ozemail when the new modems came online.
Yup then the next prob came along :/
> seems their web server had a little connectivity problem this afternoon,
it
> was down at 3:15 but was back again at 4:05, wonder what happened.
routing. It seems that everyones having glitches with it of late :/
> hmm, trying to work out the above email address, mines pretty obvious just
> adedwrd1 at the puddle, one of the new ones without the com ending.
zak_mckracken at the hotmail place ... :) I'm prolly being paranoid, but
its probably not that hard to look for myname at hotmail dot com & harvest
the addy :)
> am now expolreing the joys of firewalls and home networking and internet
> connection shareing, so far its been about average for MS product, lots of
> strange behaviour and unexplained bugs but it seems to be setteling now
and
> the babys are talking to each other most of the time. for my first attempt
> at a hub based ethernet network its not to bad i guess, now for the file
> server and lan compliant electrical switches and sockets.
I'm actually waiting for XP - definately want to try it - but don't want to
use it with the 'security' that they're putting in place. Might get a
'warez' copy to install & just leave the legit copy sitting on the shelf -
thats if the warez dudes can rip all the security out :/
Oh yeah - the reason? because apparently its as stable as w2k, but has good
stuff built in, like firewall rules etc. I haven't looked at it too hard,
b/coz i can't be bothered and was going off what I'd heard :)
> i am trying to think of practical uses for the coming "Norn brain on a
chip"
> for around the house, perhaps mobile security cameras or a stove that does
> not like to burn things, perhaps a garden maintenence robot, the lucy work
> http://www.cyberlife-research.com/Lucy/ is going rather well and the limbs
> seem to be working ok along with a simplified visual cortex, she is still
in
> software mode at the moment having her brain recofigured and tweaked but
> once hte things in a pretty robust form the chip production will start. i
> already have dibs on some prototype ones :-)
What about something that watches for apprentice butchers who stick their
hands into the meat grinder / etc? Industry could benifit from something
that shutdown heavy / deadly machinery lockouts that were mandatory.
> the manifesto makes good reading
>
> http://www.cyberlife-research.com/articles/manifesto/manifesto.htm
>
> there is some other interesting reading on the site as well, although the
> luck site needs an updatre badly, perhaps for her first birthday next
month.
looks funky at least :)
Zak
ant
> "ant" <spam...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:fXvD6.755$ff....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > > Totally unrelated, but hows life in the puddle now that you're no
longer
> > > Australia's favourite ISP's favourite customer :P
> >
> > rather good, a few teething problems but the network seems to be
setteling
> > down now, not having to worry about time or download limits is nice,
dont
> > have to download newsgroups for offline reading<it took me a while ot
get
> > out of the habit though> my best effort so far has been three days
> > connected, makes napster and streaming media sites a whole lot more fun,
> > cant say i am to happy about the bills but for the level of service its
a
> > definate improvement over the old dial up.
>
> Heh. with all my past experience in dialup, OzEmail & iHug were the only
> ones that I had problems with - and that includes Microplex :) However,
O@H
> appear to be doing a good job so far, not *too* many problems.
>
sounds about like tesltra.
> > the most common fault is verification, but that usually only lasts a few
> > mins, they even tell us when the service is going to be down and send
out
> > emails explaining what went wrong when something breaks, very
> disconcerting
> > for an ozemail customer.
>
> Don't have that problem - perm connection :)
>
mine _should_ be permanent but it interferes with calling number id and
sometimes crashes the computer, tesltras buggy software causes the crashes,
i think the CND bug somehting to do with the line filter the phone line is
on cause i established a dial up connection to my old ozemial account while
the adsl was active and faxes work alright, maybe some tech turned it off or
the adsl modem is meant to grab it. i really miss it and am going to have to
get to the bottom of the fault.
> > ahh, the plot thickens, that retrain loop was a fun one, i still have it
> and
> > a few other less entertaining ones on a cd somewhere, glad to say that
> that
> > problem at least was fixed at ozemail when the new modems came online.
>
> Yup then the next prob came along :/
>
yep, the wonders of modern technology and open architectures with not quite
tight enough defenitions and standards.
> > seems their web server had a little connectivity problem this afternoon,
> it
> > was down at 3:15 but was back again at 4:05, wonder what happened.
>
> routing. It seems that everyones having glitches with it of late :/
>
thats been telstras main prpblem of late, several routeing issues, just
after making the last post something in canberra went down that also managed
to take out wollongong so no adsl for a couple of hours, got a good recorded
message on tech support telling us it was being looked into and the time the
recording was made and to hold the line if i had another issue, saves a lot
of humans answering the same questions over and over again.
> > hmm, trying to work out the above email address, mines pretty obvious
just
> > adedwrd1 at the puddle, one of the new ones without the com ending.
>
> zak_mckracken at the hotmail place ... :) I'm prolly being paranoid, but
> its probably not that hard to look for myname at hotmail dot com & harvest
> the addy :)
>
will attempt to reconstruct it shortly<next few days>
> > am now expolreing the joys of firewalls and home networking and internet
> > connection shareing, so far its been about average for MS product, lots
of
> > strange behaviour and unexplained bugs but it seems to be setteling now
> and
> > the babys are talking to each other most of the time. for my first
attempt
> > at a hub based ethernet network its not to bad i guess, now for the file
> > server and lan compliant electrical switches and sockets.
>
> I'm actually waiting for XP - definately want to try it - but don't want
to
> use it with the 'security' that they're putting in place. Might get a
> 'warez' copy to install & just leave the legit copy sitting on the shelf -
> thats if the warez dudes can rip all the security out :/
>
:-)
yeah, i dont trust MS as far as i can spit its corporate headquarters with a
headwind, especially when it comes to security, i guess the big stick will
eventually have an effect if the naughty code warriors keep finding such
gapeing holes in the code. considering how many strange things go wrong with
MS programms just talking to other MS programs its no wonder the fabric is a
little unevenly woven. i have also hard that w2k is pretty stable, the lack
of drivers for some of my older hardware had stoped me but i now have most
of that junk in the other computer so there is not a real problem, both the
dvd and hardware decoder cards have w2k drivers out for them, the rest of
the system is pretty modern<less then 6 months old apart from the net card>
so drivers should be fine and considering the current systems stability with
this board<and its overclocked> it would probably go months without crashing
as opposed to its current record of a little over a week.
> Oh yeah - the reason? because apparently its as stable as w2k, but has
good
> stuff built in, like firewall rules etc. I haven't looked at it too hard,
> b/coz i can't be bothered and was going off what I'd heard :)
>
i will wait for the second edition i think, never been an early adopter of
MS product, and cant se any reason to change, if it works and does what i
want it to i dont want to poke at it to much.
> > i am trying to think of practical uses for the coming "Norn brain on a
> chip"
> > for around the house, perhaps mobile security cameras or a stove that
does
> > not like to burn things, perhaps a garden maintenence robot, the lucy
work
> > http://www.cyberlife-research.com/Lucy/ is going rather well and the
limbs
> > seem to be working ok along with a simplified visual cortex, she is
still
> in
> > software mode at the moment having her brain recofigured and tweaked but
> > once hte things in a pretty robust form the chip production will start.
i
> > already have dibs on some prototype ones :-)
>
> What about something that watches for apprentice butchers who stick their
> hands into the meat grinder / etc? Industry could benifit from something
> that shutdown heavy / deadly machinery lockouts that were mandatory.
>
now that would be a good use for the things, will forward it to them to add
to the list :-)
would not need much in the way of expensive sensors, add it to all sorts of
dangerous industrial and power tools, trains are another application where
these "brains" could be handy. althouhg dealing with a sulky car or
microwave oven might get tireing, ave to make sure they dont suffer from any
serious behaioural problems, the actual norns that the brains are an
elaboration of were prone to irrational and sometimes destructive behaviour,
some never learned to eat or sleep and would starve to death or suffer
fatigue shortened lifes from the lack of sleep, stupid creatures, but when
you get a good learner and one that shows distincitve behaviour even if its
"bad" you cant help but be proud, i was so happy when my first cannibal norn
taught her daughter to eat other norns< some evil mind created a slight
modification to the world event scripts that allowed norns to eat other
norns > had some cases where "normal" and canibal behaviour existed in
seperate aeas of the world in a sort of ballence, the game crashed the the
world was lost so i never got to see if it was a stable pattern.
> > the manifesto makes good reading
> >
> > http://www.cyberlife-research.com/articles/manifesto/manifesto.htm
> >
> > there is some other interesting reading on the site as well, although
the
> > luck site needs an updatre badly, perhaps for her first birthday next
> month.
>
> looks funky at least :)
>
yeah, the game is a nice way to introduce kiddies to neural nets as well,
since there are gene editing programs for the norns extensive brian mods
were and are common, i am still dabbeling with a twin concept lobe creature,
the extensive lobe interlinks slowed the game to a crawl on the old computer
if there were more then two norns in the world or they started getting old
and forming extensive "memorys" but they were good self learners, no probs
with starvation or hunger and interacted well with other norns, cross breeds
with ocnventional norns lead to lots odd broken brianed creatures incapable
of movement or with other nerual problems, some one made an idiot savant
that does exactly what its told every time<it had its free will removed and
is incapable of independant existance> it needs to be told to eat and sleep
as it does not respond to any of its internal drives like hunger, fear,
cold, sleepiness and so on. but enough talking about my experiments in the
virtual world. the things are signifigantly dumber then the average insect
BTW, but since the events are rather limited they do alright.
ant
Zak McKracken
> > Heh. with all my past experience in dialup, OzEmail & iHug were the
only
> > ones that I had problems with - and that includes Microplex :) However,
> O@H
> > appear to be doing a good job so far, not *too* many problems.
>
> sounds about like tesltra.
? Telstra weren't always part of the equation. In fact, I've had an Optus
local telephone line since they were available - I prefer the idea of having
~10 meters of analogue signal, before its digital to the pop :)
> mine _should_ be permanent but it interferes with calling number id and
> sometimes crashes the computer, tesltras buggy software causes the
crashes,
> i think the CND bug somehting to do with the line filter the phone line is
> on cause i established a dial up connection to my old ozemial account
while
> the adsl was active and faxes work alright, maybe some tech turned it off
or
> the adsl modem is meant to grab it. i really miss it and am going to have
to
> get to the bottom of the fault.
That would be annoying i guess - I haven't had that feature, so I just perm.
block my number, so no-one knows who i am when calling :)
> thats been telstras main prpblem of late, several routeing issues, just
> after making the last post something in canberra went down that also
managed
> to take out wollongong so no adsl for a couple of hours, got a good
recorded
> message on tech support telling us it was being looked into and the time
the
> recording was made and to hold the line if i had another issue, saves a
lot
> of humans answering the same questions over and over again.
Bastids.
> > zak_mckracken at the hotmail place ... :) I'm prolly being paranoid,
but
> > its probably not that hard to look for myname at hotmail dot com &
harvest
> > the addy :)
>
> will attempt to reconstruct it shortly<next few days>
Its really not that hard :)
> yeah, i dont trust MS as far as i can spit its corporate headquarters with
a
> headwind, especially when it comes to security, i guess the big stick will
> eventually have an effect if the naughty code warriors keep finding such
> gapeing holes in the code. considering how many strange things go wrong
with
> MS programms just talking to other MS programs its no wonder the fabric is
a
> little unevenly woven. i have also hard that w2k is pretty stable, the
lack
> of drivers for some of my older hardware had stoped me but i now have most
> of that junk in the other computer so there is not a real problem, both
the
> dvd and hardware decoder cards have w2k drivers out for them, the rest of
> the system is pretty modern<less then 6 months old apart from the net
card>
> so drivers should be fine and considering the current systems stability
with
> this board<and its overclocked> it would probably go months without
crashing
> as opposed to its current record of a little over a week.
I was pretty much the same, but work implemented W2k early. I was *really*
suprised with the difference in quality - it was quite remarkable. However
after quite an amount of time of using it, I'm starting to get really picky
:) (had to pick on the server boot logo 'coz it "doesn't look finished" :)
> i will wait for the second edition i think, never been an early adopter of
> MS product, and cant se any reason to change, if it works and does what i
> want it to i dont want to poke at it to much.
whistler/xp *is* the second edition as far as I can figure. I'm going on
pure word of mouth, so probably don't really have a clue here, but it would
appear that xp is w2k on steroids, or closer to a 'good' os.
/me is tired - time for bed :/
The Raven
Can someone explain how the thread evolved from talking about a specific
movie to Telstra, modems, ADSL and other internet stuff?
:-)
--
The Raven
** Undisputed President of the ozemail.* NG's
** Conqueror of the uunet.* NG's
"Zak McKracken" <n...@way-notta-chance.com> wrote in message
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Zak McKracken
> Huh? Interesting how my thread got off topic within the first post or two.
>
> Can someone explain how the thread evolved from talking about a specific
> movie to Telstra, modems, ADSL and other internet stuff?
>
> :-)
You were boring, so we changed the subject matter :)
The Raven
news:4u1getsgeg8p268n1...@4ax.com...
> "The Raven" <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote:
>
> >Huh? Interesting how my thread got off topic within the first post or
two.
> >
> >Can someone explain how the thread evolved from talking about a specific
> >movie to Telstra, modems, ADSL and other internet stuff?
> >
> >:-)
>
I guess so.
The Raven
Oh no, another suspicous looking newbie coming out the woodwork and
critcising me.
How will I ever cope with all this criticism?
Zak McKracken
> > You were boring, so we changed the subject matter :)
>
> Oh no, another suspicous looking newbie coming out the woodwork and
> critcising me.
>
> How will I ever cope with all this criticism?
Sod off grandpa - I'm hardly a newbie :)
You getting senile in your old age & forgotten me already?
*aghast*
:)
The Raven
Damn you hip hop techno retro perrier swilling youngsters! in my
day...................
:)
The Raven
>
> > Damn you hip hop techno retro perrier swilling youngsters! in my
> > day...................
>
You don't get to rule on that any time soon!
> Doing the Old Person Rant (tm)
Don't bring Rod into this.................. :-)
> live should warrant injection into the nearest fossil storage^H^H^H^H
> retirement village.
Could you imagine sitting around in a retirement village playing Monopoly
with Rod? Just waiting for the courts to make a decision on a move would
take away all the fun.
Zak McKracken
> Damn you hip hop techno retro perrier swilling youngsters! in my
> day...................
Does this mean that we can retire you soon? Doing the Old Person Rant (tm)
live should warrant injection into the nearest fossil storage^H^H^H^H
retirement village.
:)
Zak McKracken
> > Does this mean that we can retire you soon?
>
> You don't get to rule on that any time soon!
>
> > Doing the Old Person Rant (tm)
>
> Don't bring Rod into this.................. :-)
You did with your rodisms ... I was talking about Horr^H^H^H^Hsomone else
... :)
> > live should warrant injection into the nearest fossil storage^H^H^H^H
> > retirement village.
>
> Could you imagine sitting around in a retirement village playing Monopoly
> with Rod? Just waiting for the courts to make a decision on a move would
> take away all the fun.
nah, but the arguing would be fun :)
Horace Wachope
<n...@way-notta-chance.com> wrote:
>"The Raven" <ws...@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
>news:zuuG6.946$VM5....@ozemail.com.au...
>
>> > Does this mean that we can retire you soon?
>>
>> You don't get to rule on that any time soon!
>>
>> > Doing the Old Person Rant (tm)
>>
>> Don't bring Rod into this.................. :-)
>
>You did with your rodisms ... I was talking about Horr^H^H^H^Hsomone else
>... :)
Who? No circumflexes in my name.