Zerubbabel was the Messiah

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THE MESSIAH - Zerubbabel
Qualifications of Zerubbabel's Claim
ANOINTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (MASHIACH/MESSIAH) 
Zechariah 4:6
BRANCH 
Isaiah 11:1 
Zech 3:8 
Zech 6:12
SERVANT 
Ezekiel 34:24 
Haggai 2:23
SERVANT IS THE BRANCH 
Zech 3:8
BUILD TEMPLE 
Haggai 1:14 
Zech 6:12 
Ezekiel 37:26 
Zech 4:8
BRANCH BUILDS THE TEMPLE 
Zech 6:12
ZERUBBABEL BUILDS THE TEMPLE, THUS BEING THE BRANCH 
Zech 4:9
ZERUBBABEL IS THE BRANCH, THUS HE IS THE SERVANT 
Zech 6:12 
Zech 4:9 
Zech 3:8 
Ezekiel 34:24 
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GATHER ISRAEL 
Isaiah 11:10 
Nehemiah 7:7 
Nehemiah 12:1 
Zech 4:10
GOD'S AUTHORITY 
Isaiah 11:2 
Haggai 2:23

The Messiah
Zechariah 4:6 
New Century Version (NCV) 
6 Then he told me, "This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: 'You will not succeed by your own strength or by your own power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord All-Powerful.
Isaiah 11 
Isaiah 11 
The King of Peace Is Coming 
1 A new branch will grow 
from a stump of a tree; 
so a new king will come 
from the family of Jesse.[a] 
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest upon that king. 
The Spirit will give him wisdom and understanding, guidance and power. 
The Spirit will teach him to know and respect the Lord. 
3 This king will be glad to obey the Lord. 
He will not judge by the way things look 
or decide by what he hears. 
4 But he will judge the poor honestly; 
he will be fair in his decisions for the poor people of the land. 
At his command evil people will be punished, 
and by his words the wicked will be put to death. 
5 Goodness and fairness will give him strength, 
like a belt around his waist.
6 Then wolves will live in peace with lambs, 
and leopards will lie down to rest with goats. 
Calves, lions, and young bulls will eat together, 
and a little child will lead them. 
7 Cows and bears will eat together in peace. 
Their young will lie down to rest together. 
Lions will eat hay as oxen do. 
8 A baby will be able to play near a cobra's hole, 
and a child will be able to put his hand into the nest of a poisonous snake. 
9 They will not hurt or destroy each other 
on all my holy mountain, 
because the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord, 
as the sea is full of water. 
10 At that time the new king from the family of Jesse will stand as a banner for all peoples. The nations will come together around him, and the place where he lives will be filled with glory.11 At that time the Lord will again reach out and take his people who are left alive in Assyria, North Egypt, South Egypt, Cush, Elam, Babylonia, Hamath, and all the islands of the sea. 
12 God will raise a banner as a sign for all nations, 
and he will gather the people of Israel who were forced from their country.
He will gather the scattered people of Judah 
from all parts of the earth. 
13 At that time Israel will not be jealous anymore, 
and Judah will have no more enemies. 
Israel will not be jealous of Judah, 
and Judah will not hate Israel. 
14 But Israel and Judah will attack the Philistines on the west. 
Together they will take the riches from the people of the east. 
They will conquer Edom and Moab, 
and the people of Ammon will be under their control. 
15 The Lord will dry up 
the Red Sea of Egypt. 
He will wave his arm over the Euphrates River 
and dry it up with a scorching wind. 
He will divide it into seven small rivers 
so that people can walk across them with their sandals on. 
16 So God's people who are left alive 
will have a way to leave Assyria, 
just like the time the Israelites 
came out of Egypt.
Nehemiah 7:7 
Nehemiah 7:7 
New Century Version (NCV) 
7 These people returned with Zerubbabel, Jeshua, Nehemiah, Azariah, Raamiah, Nahamani, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispereth, Bigvai, Nehum, and Baanah. 
These are the people from Israel:
Nehemiah 12:1 
Nehemiah 12:1 
New Century Version (NCV) 
Nehemiah 12 
Priests and Levites 
1 These are the priests and Levites who returned with Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and with Jeshua. There were Seraiah, Jeremiah, Ezra,
Nehemiah 12:46-47 
Nehemiah 12:46-47 
New Century Version (NCV) 
46 Earlier, in the time of David and Asaph, there was a leader of the singers and of the songs of praise and thanksgiving to God.47 So it was in the days of Zerubbabel and Nehemiah. All the people of Israel gave something to the singers and gatekeepers, and they also set aside part for the Levites. Then the Levites set aside part for the descendants of Aaron.
Ezekiel 34:23-24 
Ezekiel 34:23-24 
New Century Version (NCV) 
23 Then I will put over them one shepherd, my servant David. He will feed them and tend them and be their shepherd.24 Then I, the Lord, will be their God, and my servant David will be a ruler among them. I, the Lord, have spoken.
Jeremiah 30:8-9 
Jeremiah 30:8-9 
New Century Version (NCV)
8 The Lord All-Powerful says, "At that time 
I will break the yoke from their necks 
and tear off the ropes that hold them. 
Foreign people will never again make my people slaves. 
9 They will serve the Lord their God 
and David their king, 
whom I will send to them.
Haggai 1 
Haggai 1 
New Century Version (NCV) 
Haggai 1 
The Temple Is Rebuilt
It Is Time to Build the Temple 
1 The prophet Haggai spoke the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, the governor of Judah, and to Joshua son of Jehozadak, the high priest. This message came in the second year that Darius was king, on the first day of the sixth month: 
2 "This is what the Lord All-Powerful says: 'The people say the right time has not come to rebuild the Temple of the Lord.' " 
3 Then Haggai the prophet spoke the word of the Lord:4 "Is it right for you to be living in fancy houses while the Temple is still in ruins?" 
5 This is what the Lord All-Powerful says: "Think about what you have done.6 You have planted much, but you harvest little. You eat, but you do not become full. You drink, but you are still thirsty. You put on clothes, but you are not warm enough. You earn money, but then you lose it all as if you had put it into a purse full of holes." 
7 This is what the Lord All-Powerful says: "Think about what you have done.8 Go up to the mountains, bring back wood, and build the Temple. Then I will be pleased with it and be honored," says the Lord.9 "You look for much, but you find little. When you bring it home, I destroy it. Why?" asks the Lord All-Powerful. "Because you all work hard for your own houses while my house is still in ruins!10 Because of what you have done, the sky holds back its rain and the ground holds back its crops.11 I have called for a time without rain on the land, and on the mountains, and on the grain, the new wine, the olive oil, the plants which the earth produces, the people, the farm animals, and all the work of your hands." 
12 Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Joshua son of Jehozadak, the high priest, and all the rest of the people who were left alive obeyed the Lord their God and the message from Haggai the prophet, because the Lord their God had sent him. And the people feared the Lord. 
13 Haggai, the Lord's messenger, gave the Lord's message to the people, saying, "The Lord says, 'I am with you.' "14 The Lord stirred up Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, the governor of Judah, and Joshua son of Jehozadak, the high priest, and all the rest of the people who were left alive. So they came and worked on the Temple of their God, the Lord All-Powerful.15 They began on the twenty-fourth day of the sixth month in the second year Darius was king.
Haggai 1:1 
Haggai 1 
New Century Version (NCV) 
Haggai 1 
The Temple Is Rebuilt
It Is Time to Build the Temple 
1 The prophet Haggai spoke the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, the governor of Judah, and to Joshua son of Jehozadak, the high priest. This message came in the second year that Darius was king, on the first day of the sixth month:
Haggai 2:20-23 
Haggai 2:20-23 
New Century Version (NCV) 
The Lord Makes a Promise to Zerubbabel 
20 Then the Lord spoke his word a second time to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month. He said,21 "Tell Zerubbabel, the governor of Judah, 'I am going to shake the heavens and the earth.22 I will destroy the foreign kingdoms and take away the power of the kingdoms of the nations. I will destroy the chariots and their riders. The horses will fall with their riders, as people kill each other with swords.' 23 The Lord All-Powerful says, 'On that day I will take you, Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, my servant,' says the Lord, 'and I will make you important like my signet ring, because I have chosen you!' says the Lord All-Powerful."
Zechariah 4:6-10 & Ezekiel 37:24-28 
Zechariah 4:6-10 
New Century Version (NCV) 
6 Then he told me, "This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: 'You will not succeed by your own strength or by your own power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord All-Powerful. 
7 "Who are you, big mountain? In front of Zerubbabel you will become flat land, and he will bring out the topmost stone, shouting, 'It's beautiful! It's beautiful!' " 
8 Then the Lord spoke his word to me again, saying,9 "Zerubbabel has laid the foundation of this Temple, and he will complete it. Then you will know that the Lord All-Powerful has sent me to you. 
10 "The people should not think that small beginnings are unimportant. They will be happy when they see Zerubbabel with tools, building the Temple. 
"(These are the seven eyes of the Lord, which look back and forth across the earth.)"
Ezekiel 37:24-28 
New Century Version (NCV) 
24 " 'My servant David will be their king, and they will all have one shepherd. They will live by my rules and obey my laws.25 They will live on the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land in which your ancestors lived. They will all live on the land forever: they, their children, and their grandchildren. David my servant will be their king forever.26 I will make an agreement of peace with them, an agreement that continues forever. I will put them in their land and make them grow in number. Then I will put my Temple among them forever.27 The place where I live will be with them. I will be their God, and they will be my people.28 When my Temple is among them forever, the nations will know that I, the Lord, make Israel holy.' "
Zechariah 6:12 & Zechariah 3:8 & Zechariah 4:6-7
Zechariah 6:12 
New Century Version (NCV) 
12 Tell him this is what the Lord All-Powerful says: 'A man whose name is the Branch will branch out from where he is, and he will build the Temple of the Lord.

Zechariah 3:8 
New Century Version (NCV) 
8 " 'Listen, Joshua, the high priest, and your friends who are sitting in front of you. They are symbols of what will happen. I am going to bring my servant called the Branch.
Zechariah 4:6-7 
New Century Version (NCV) 
6 Then he told me, "This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: 'You will not succeed by your own strength or by your own power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord All-Powerful. 
7 "Who are you, big mountain? In front of Zerubbabel you will become flat land, and he will bring out the topmost stone, shouting, 'It's beautiful! It's beautiful!' "

Discussion on Micah 5:1
Micah 5 - Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
5 (2) But you, Beit-Lechem near Efrat,
so small among the clans of Y’hudah,
out of you will come forth to me
the future ruler of Isra’el,
whose origins are far in the past,
back in ancient times.

Bethlehem is called one of the tribes of Judah. And it is also called a little tribe. This shows the humility of this future ruler of Israel. He is born from a humble little village, but will rule Israel. The origins of this ruler are from ancient times. What can we derive from this? It is potentially a Messianic prophecy pertaining to Zerubbabel, as he is of the clan of Bethlehem, being descended from King David. Zerubbabel's origin, or his family 'Clan' is Bethlehem, being descended from King David, so tying this prophecy with Zerubbabel seems quite acceptable. The origins of Zerubbabel are shown as ancient origins, which appears to teach that the House of Bethlehem goes back to ancient times. From the time period of Micah, the ancient times could genuinely refer to the times of King David from Bethlehem, whose history at that point was likely considered ancient (from the perspective of Micah).

Discussion on Psalm 2
Psalm 2 - Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
2 Why are the nations in an uproar,
the peoples grumbling in vain?
2 The earth’s kings are taking positions,
leaders conspiring together,
against Adonai
and his anointed.
3 They cry, “Let’s break their fetters!
Let’s throw off their chains!”
4 He who sits in heaven laughs;
Adonai looks at them in derision.
5 Then in his anger he rebukes them,
terrifies them in his fury.
6 “I myself have installed my king
on Tziyon, my holy mountain.”
7 “I will proclaim the decree:
Adonai said to me,
‘You are my son;
today I became your father.
8 Ask of me, and I will make
the nations your inheritance;
the whole wide world
will be your possession.
9 You will break them with an iron rod,
shatter them like a clay pot.’”
10 Therefore, kings, be wise;
be warned, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve Adonai with fear;
rejoice, but with trembling.
12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry,
and you perish along the way,
when suddenly his anger blazes.
How blessed are all who take refuge in him.

The King referred to in this Psalm is seated on Mt Zion and called the Son of God. In Psalm 89 we see how King David (who God had enthroned in Jerusalem) was called the 'Firstborn Son of God'.
Here is some information on Mt Zioin from wikipedia.

Mount Zion. Mount Zion (Hebrew: הַר צִיוֹן, Har Tsiyyon; Arabic: جبل صهيون, Jabel Sahyoun) is a hill in Jerusalem just outside the walls of the Old City. The term Mount Zion has been used in the Hebrew Bible first for the City of David (2 Samuel 5:7, 1 Chronicles 11:5; 1 Kings 8:1, 2 Chronicles 5:2) and later for the Temple Mount, but its meaning has shifted and it is now used as the name of ancient Jerusalem's so-called Western Hill. In a wider sense, the term is also used for the entire Land of Israel.
The etymology of the word Zion is uncertain. Mentioned in the Bible in the Book of Samuel (2 Samuel 5:7) as the name of the Jebusite fortress conquered by King David, its origin likely predates the Israelites. If Semitic, it may be associated with the Hebrew root ''ṣiyyôn ("castle") or the Arabic root ṣiyya ("dry land") or the Arabic šanā ("protect" or "citadel"). It might also be related to the Arabic root ṣahî ("ascend to the top") or ṣuhhay ("tower" or "the top of the mountain"). A non-Semitic relationship to the Hurrian word šeya ("river" or "brook") has also been suggested.
Sahyun (Arabic: صهيون, Ṣahyūn or Ṣihyūn) is the word for Zion in Arabic and Syriac.[7] A valley called Wâdi Sahyûn (wadi being the Arabic for "valley") seemingly preserves the name and is located approximately one and three-quarter miles (2.8 km) from the Old City of Jerusalem's Jaffa Gate.
The phrase Har Tzion, lit. "Mount Zion", appears nine times in the Tanakh. It is spelled with a Tzadi and not Zayin.
The name Mount Zion referred successively to three locations, as Jerusalemites preserved the time-honoured name, but shifted the location they venerated as the focal point of biblical Jerusalem to the site considered most appropriate in their own time.
At first, Mount Zion was the name given to the Jebusite fortified city on the lower part of ancient Jerusalem's Eastern Hill, also known as the City of David.
According to the Book of Samuel, Mount Zion was the site of the Jebusite fortress called the "stronghold of Zion" that was conquered by King David, then renamed and partially rebuilt by him as the "City of David", where he erected his palace.
Once the First Temple was erected at the top of the Eastern Hill, the name "Mount Zion" migrated there too.
After the conquest of the Jebusite city, its build-up area expanded northward towards the uppermost part of the same, Eastern Hill. This highest part became the site of Solomon's Temple.
The identification of the pre-Israelite (Jebusite) and Israelite towns on the Eastern Hill is based on the existence of only one perennial water source in the area, the Gihon Spring, and on archaeological excavations revealing sections of the Bronze Age and Iron Age city walls and water systems.
The "Mount Zion" mentioned in the later parts of the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 60:14), in the Book of Psalms, and the First Book of Maccabees (c. 2nd century BCE) seems to refer to the top of the hill, generally known as the Temple Mount.
The last shift of the name Mount Zion was to the Western Hill, which is more dominant than the Eastern Hill and seemed to first-century CE Jerusalemites the worthier location for the by-then lost palace of King David. The Western Hill is what today is called Mount Zion.
In the second half of the First Temple period, the city expanded westward and its defensive walls were extended to include the entire Western Hill behind them. Nebuchadnezzar II destroyed the city almost completely around 586 BCE, severing the continuity of historical memory. A long period of rebuilding followed, ending with Jerusalem's second total destruction at the hands of the Romans in 70 CE. Josephus, the first-century CE historian who knew the city as it was before this second catastrophic event, identified Mount Zion as being the Western Hill, separated from the lower, Eastern Hill, by what he calls the "Tyropoeon Valley". It must however be said that Josephus never used the name "Mount Zion" in any of his writings, but described the "Citadel" of king David as being situated on the higher and longer hill, thus pointing at the Western Hill as what the Bible calls Mount Zion.
At the end of the Roman period, a synagogue was built at the entrance of the structure known as David's Tomb, probably based on the belief that David brought the Ark of the Covenant here from Beit Shemesh and Kiryat Ye'arim before the construction of the Temple.
During the 1948 war, Mount Zion was conquered by the Harel Brigade on May 18, 1948 and became the only part of the Old City to stay in Israeli hands until the armistice. At first it was linked to the Jewish neighborhood of Yemin Moshe across the Valley of Hinnom via a narrow tunnel, but eventually an alternative was needed to evacuate the wounded and transport supplies to soldiers on Mt. Zion. A cable car capable of carrying a load of 250 kilos was designed for this purpose. The cable car was only used at night and lowered into the valley during the day to escape detection; it is still in place at what is now the Mount Zion Hotel. The ride from the Israeli position at the St. John Eye Hospital to Mount Zion took two minutes.
Between 1948 and 1967, when the Old City was under Jordanian occupation, Israelis were forbidden access to the Jewish holy places. Mount Zion was a designated no-man's land between Israel and Jordan. Mount Zion was the closest accessible site to the ancient Jewish Temple. Until East Jerusalem was captured by Israel in the Six-Day War, Israelis would climb to the rooftop of David's Tomb to pray. The winding road leading up to Mount Zion is known as Pope's Way (Derekh Ha'apifyor). It was paved in honor of the historic visit to Jerusalem of Pope Paul VI in 1964.
The Tanakh reference to Har Tzion (Mount Tzion) that identifies its location is derived from the Psalm 48 composed by the sons of Korah, i.e. Levites, as "the northern side of the city of the great king", which Radak interprets as the City of David "from the City of David, which is Zion (1 Kings 8:1-2; 2 Chron. 5:2)". 2 Samuel 5:7 also reads, "David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David," which identifies Mount Tzion as part of the City of David, and not an area outside today's Old City of Jerusalem. Rashi identifies the location as the source of "joy" mentioned in the Psalm as the Temple Courtyard, the location of atonement offerings in the northern part of the Temple complex.
In the New Testament Mount Zion is used metaphorically to refer to the heavenly Jerusalem, God’s holy, eternal city. Christians are said to have “ . . . come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven”
According to local legend, the two engineers who planned the restoration of the Old City walls in 1538 mistakenly left Mt. Zion and King David’s tomb outside the walls. The Turkish sultan, Suleiman the Magnificent, was so enraged that he had the two put to death.
Important sites on Mount Zion are Dormition Abbey, King David's Tomb and the Room of the Last Supper. Most historians and archeologists today do not regard "David's Tomb" there to be the actual burial place of King David. The Chamber of the Holocaust (Martef HaShoah), the precursor of Yad Vashem, is also located on Mount Zion. Another place of interest is the Catholic cemetery where Oskar Schindler, a Righteous Gentile who saved the lives of 1,200 Jews in the Holocaust, is buried. Notable burials in the Protestant cemetery on Mt. Zion include the architect Conrad Schick.
In 1874, an Englishman, Henry Maudsley, discovered a large segment of rock scarp and numerous ancient dressed stones on Mount Zion that were believed to be the base of Josephus's First Wall. Several of these stones were used to construct a retaining wall outside the main gate of the Bishop Gobat school (later known as the American Institute of Holy Land Studies and Jerusalem University College).

We see in 2 Samuel 5:7
2 Samuel 5:7 - Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
7 Nevertheless, David captured the stronghold of Tziyon (Zion), also known [now] as the City of David.

The relevant bit is 'Ask of Me and I will make the Nations your inheritance.' This never occurred for King David or for Zerubbabel. That being said, this is a Psalm. It is not recorded in this Psalm that it was communicated by God to the Psalter. In fact, like many of the books of the Bible, the book of Psalms included, the terminology of 'Thus says the Lord' of 'The Lord Commanded' is completely absent. It abounds in the written Torah (pentateuch) and in the writings of the prophets (eg Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel) etc, but is not entirely noticeable in other biblical works. The Book of Daniel claims discussion with the Angels, and the apparent 'Book of Truth' but no direct dialogue with God or God's theophany.
The Psalm appears to be a proclamation of the Kingship of David, and his status as Firstborn son of God, as Psalm 89 reiterates. The actual authority over the world was never realized, and was perhaps just zealous ambition on the part of the Psalter. Without a clear clarification that this Psalm is the direct 'Word' or 'Communication' from God from the psalter of this Psalm, it must be considered 'Inspirational Teaching' but it is difficult to classify it as the Word of God. Thus it does not really classify as Messianic Prophecy.


Further Discussion – In light of the Possibility of a Future Imminent Resurrection
At the resurrection of the dead, Zerubbabel is to be restored to his Governance over Judah. The Temple is to again be rebuilt. It was built in his own time by his own hands. This is not some fabulous second coming of the Messiah. In fact, Zerubbabel fulfilled the work of the Messiah for the most part in his original earthly life. The document 'Zerubbabel the Messiah' makes this quite clear. Yet, in the resurrection of the dead, which is from Daniel chapter 12, which is still waiting fulfillment, it is appropriate time for the restoration of the house of the Christ, and his work in ruling Israel, and uniting the House of Judah with the House of Israel. This work belongs to Zerubbabel. It is also his work to bring peace to Zion - the Mountain of the Lord - and bring an end to death and suffering on Zion. (Isaiah 2 & Isaiah 11). Nearly all the book of Daniel has been fulfilled. The 4 beasts, the Abomination of Desolation and the waiting of the Days has all been fulfilled a few thousand years ago. But because they lacked faith, no resurrection occurred. In the time of Zerubbabel and onwards, they were meant to live the life of trees (Isaiah 65), and those who failed to reach 100 were considered accursed. By and large very few ( if any) lived the life of trees, so the nation fell into a curse, and could not yet at that point which was expected, receive its blessing of resurrection. God offers reward and blessing for service, but curses for disobedience. This is, for example, and integral part of David's Covenant, But Israel's also (eg Leviticus 26 & Psalm 89). It is anticipated with the restoration of Israel from exile in the 1940s, the resurrection is imminent. 

HOWEVER, the Spirit has been arguing with me. Perhaps God honoured what he could of the prophecies of the Neviim, and what could be fulfilled, was fulfilled, to honour the words of the Prophets. But there were things, under this avenue of logic, that couldn't be fulfilled, as they were not in harmony with earlier portions of Torah message which God had already imparted to mankind. A Resurrection of the dead may simply not be the plan of God for the future of mankind, and perhaps we are only meant to anticipate eternity in heaven. The jury is still out on this idea. I await on the truth, and consistency from God in what he teaches me. History will reveal what will be.

[Kingpin]

He's not the messiah, he's just a naughty boy!

[Sacred Pineapple]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2016 14:26:24 +1000, Kingpin <kin...@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>He's not the messiah, he's just a naughty boy!

Bit of a cunt, though.