How can I update a clean install of XP now?

[~misfit~]

I just had to do a repair install for my brother as the machine was stuck in
an endless loop and wouldn't start even in safe mode.

I'm pleased that all went well and the machine is almost back to how it was.
However his AV (NOD) keeps telling him that Windows needs to be updated -
but of course the XP update servers can't be found now. I installed using an
sp2 disk then applied sp3 from disk I burnt from an MS ISO.

I've downloaded Windows-KB913086-201402.iso (3.3GB) and burned it to DVD.
Apparently it has all Windows updates as of February this year. However I
don't know how to make XP get its udates from there. :-(

So then I downloaded WSUS Offline, set it to get and verify XP 32bit updates
(it downloaded hundreds of MB of data), then ran that but, after a few
minutes (nowhere near long enough to install the 120+ updates since sp3) it
tells me to reboot. When I do nothing's changed. Repeating the process makes
no difference.

He needs to run XP as some software specific to his business won't run on
later OSes. (His machine came with a W7 Pro COA, downgraded to XP.) He also
needs to be on line and is aware of the risks. However I'd like to minimise
those risks bt updating XP to the last udates MS made available.

Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
--
</Shaun>

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1).

[Keith Nuttle]

On 4/16/2014 9:11 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> I just had to do a repair install for my brother as the machine was stuck in
> an endless loop and wouldn't start even in safe mode.
>
> I'm pleased that all went well and the machine is almost back to how it was.
> However his AV (NOD) keeps telling him that Windows needs to be updated -
> but of course the XP update servers can't be found now. I installed using an
> sp2 disk then applied sp3 from disk I burnt from an MS ISO.
>
> I've downloaded Windows-KB913086-201402.iso (3.3GB) and burned it to DVD.
> Apparently it has all Windows updates as of February this year. However I
> don't know how to make XP get its udates from there. :-(
>
> So then I downloaded WSUS Offline, set it to get and verify XP 32bit updates
> (it downloaded hundreds of MB of data), then ran that but, after a few
> minutes (nowhere near long enough to install the 120+ updates since sp3) it
> tells me to reboot. When I do nothing's changed. Repeating the process makes
> no difference.
>
> He needs to run XP as some software specific to his business won't run on
> later OSes. (His machine came with a W7 Pro COA, downgraded to XP.) He also
> needs to be on line and is aware of the risks. However I'd like to minimise
> those risks bt updating XP to the last udates MS made available.
>
> Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>

Things happened to my XP machine tonight, I did a recovery, but could
get no where on updates until I updated IE to Version 8. This would
not up date until SP3 was installed.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <line9f$740$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Keith Nuttle
<Keith_...@sbcglobal.net> writes

My recent virgin installations of XP certainly started with IE8, but at
some stage (as you say, I think it was before you could install SP3) you
had to let it update to IE8.
>

--
Ian

[Ian Jackson]

In message <lin9oe$lgg$1...@dont-email.me>, ~misfit~
<shaun.at...@gmail.com> writes

>I just had to do a repair install for my brother as the machine was stuck in
>an endless loop and wouldn't start even in safe mode.
>
>I'm pleased that all went well and the machine is almost back to how it was.
>However his AV (NOD) keeps telling him that Windows needs to be updated -
>but of course the XP update servers can't be found now.

Do you mean that XP updates are no longer available? From what I
understand, this is certainly NOT the case, and all the updates, up to 8
April are still being provided as usual (but no further updates). See
the FAQs:
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx>

> I installed using an
>sp2 disk then applied sp3 from disk I burnt from an MS ISO.
>
>I've downloaded Windows-KB913086-201402.iso (3.3GB) and burned it to DVD.
>Apparently it has all Windows updates as of February this year. However I
>don't know how to make XP get its udates from there. :-(
>

There is a later one for March:
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=42220>
However, are these releases cumulative? It seems that MS have been
releasing them regularly got ages - but I think they are only the latest
ones.

>So then I downloaded WSUS Offline, set it to get and verify XP 32bit updates
>(it downloaded hundreds of MB of data), then ran that but, after a few
>minutes (nowhere near long enough to install the 120+ updates since sp3) it
>tells me to reboot. When I do nothing's changed. Repeating the process makes
>no difference.
>

A few months ago, I did a virgin installation of XP Pro - and a couple
of weeks ago, of XP Home with SP1a. The only significant problem was the
well-reported 'svchost' endless loop problem - and that seemed to be
resolved by installing the Windows Update Agent.
<https://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=126566>
The something-like nearly 200 updates eventually got downloaded and
installed - but it did take time. Just when I thought that they were
finished, yet another batch would appear.

>He needs to run XP as some software specific to his business won't run on
>later OSes. (His machine came with a W7 Pro COA, downgraded to XP.) He also
>needs to be on line and is aware of the risks. However I'd like to minimise
>those risks bt updating XP to the last udates MS made available.
>
>Help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

FWIW, SP1a, SP2 and SP3 exe files are available here:
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=19751>
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/confirmation.aspx?id=28>
<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24>

--
Ian

[knuttle]

I had to install SP3 before IE8 would install.


Also I ad SP3 and IE8 and the IE 8 upgrade on my backup disk.

[~misfit~]

Thanks, useful info there. I have sp2 and 3 on CD already and my install
disk has sp2 streamlined anyway. :)

That Windows Update Agent helped a lot. Thanks.

[Robert Grimes]

Google the Windows XP hack script. It will allow you to get updates
until 2019. I did this on both an old Dell that had XP SP3 and also my
VirtualBox install of XP on my Linux machine.

[~misfit~]

Thanks for that, will look into it. :)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a

cozy little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet Robert Grimes wrote:

[snipped]

>> Google the Windows XP hack script. It will allow you to get updates
>> until 2019. I did this on both an old Dell that had XP SP3 and also
>> my VirtualBox install of XP on my Linux machine.
>
> Thanks for that, will look into it. :)

So it took me a while but I recently looked into this. You say that you've
done this - Can I ask if all's going well on those machines?

I'm being extra-careful as this T60 laptop running XP is my main machine
used for email etc. and as such is 'mission-critical'.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
> Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Once upon a time on usenet Robert Grimes wrote:
> [snipped]
>>> Google the Windows XP hack script. It will allow you to get updates
>>> until 2019. I did this on both an old Dell that had XP SP3 and also
>>> my VirtualBox install of XP on my Linux machine.
>>
>> Thanks for that, will look into it. :)
>
> So it took me a while but I recently looked into this. You say that
> you've done this - Can I ask if all's going well on those machines?
>
> I'm being extra-careful as this T60 laptop running XP is my main
> machine used for email etc. and as such is 'mission-critical'.

Sorry, forgot to mention the main reason I'm asking you is that all the
articles I can find on this 'mod' are over a year old so want to be sure it
won't disable parts of my install that aren't typically seen in an embedded
system.

As a few articles I read said MS weren't happy that people were doing this I
wondered if they'd found a way to push an update that would make life hard
for those who have done it.

[sctvguy1]

On 2015-06-28 21:04:37 -0500, ~misfit~ said:

> Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Once upon a time on usenet Robert Grimes wrote:
>> [snipped]
>>>> Google the Windows XP hack script. It will allow you to get updates
>>>> until 2019. I did this on both an old Dell that had XP SP3 and also
>>>> my VirtualBox install of XP on my Linux machine.
>>>
>>> Thanks for that, will look into it. :)
>>
>> So it took me a while but I recently looked into this. You say that
>> you've done this - Can I ask if all's going well on those machines?
>>
>> I'm being extra-careful as this T60 laptop running XP is my main
>> machine used for email etc. and as such is 'mission-critical'.
>
> Sorry, forgot to mention the main reason I'm asking you is that all the
> articles I can find on this 'mod' are over a year old so want to be
> sure it won't disable parts of my install that aren't typically seen in
> an embedded system.
>
> As a few articles I read said MS weren't happy that people were doing
> this I wondered if they'd found a way to push an update that would make
> life hard for those who have done it.
>
> Cheers,

So far, there have been no problems. I am running this hack on an old
Dell Dimension tower, and on my XP VirtualMachine on Linux. Microsoft
cannot really do anything to you, for all they know, you might be
running this on a point of sale machine!

[~misfit~]

Ok thanks for getting back to me. I'd read (albeit in old articles) that MS
had threatened to push updates that would be fine on POS machines but could
cripple other XP installs. As I said this machine running XP has 'my life'
on it and, although it's well backed up it would be a PITA restoring if it
were borked.

I guess I should migrate to W7 before too much longer. From what I can tell
most of my favoured progs etc. will run on the 32 bit version (and the
laptop is hard-limited to 3 GB RAM anyway). What a job though!

[sctvguy1]

I have Windows 7 on an old HP laptop, and both it, and my XP, are made
to look like Windows 2000! I like the classic look, Start button, blue
background, old-fashioned buttons at the top right. I have no plans to
even get Windows 10, as my main machines are Linux and OSX. The "hack"
does no damage, it just changes the Registry to show your machine as a
Point of Sale machine. I would not worry.

[pyotr filipivich]

"~misfit~" <shaun.at...@gmail.com> on Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:50:21
+1200 typed in alt.os.windows.xp the following:

>
>>> As a few articles I read said MS weren't happy that people were doing
>>> this I wondered if they'd found a way to push an update that would
>>> make life hard for those who have done it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>> So far, there have been no problems. I am running this hack on an old
>> Dell Dimension tower, and on my XP VirtualMachine on Linux. Microsoft
>> cannot really do anything to you, for all they know, you might be
>> running this on a point of sale machine!
>
>Ok thanks for getting back to me. I'd read (albeit in old articles) that MS
>had threatened to push updates that would be fine on POS machines but could
>cripple other XP installs. As I said this machine running XP has 'my life'
>on it and, although it's well backed up it would be a PITA restoring if it
>were borked.
>
>I guess I should migrate to W7 before too much longer. From what I can tell
>most of my favoured progs etc. will run on the 32 bit version (and the
>laptop is hard-limited to 3 GB RAM anyway). What a job though!

Might be time to contemplate a "new" laptop.

Might.
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

[~misfit~]

No way! I love my 15" 4:3 T60 with it's 1600 x 1400 resolution (UXGA) IPS
screen and non-chicklet keyboard. You can keep your short-screen mushy
keyboard 'modern' machines. ;)

(This machine was a huge investment for me as an invalid on welfare and I
bought it to last indefinately. So far other than OS issues it's not showing
its age at all, still nice and responsive with an SSD boot drive and 1 TB of
spinning disk storage in a caddy in place of optical drive. It's a joy to
use.)

[~misfit~]

Cheers, thanks for that. Yeah, I have W7 on my desktop and have that set to
'Windows Classic' appearance too. ;)

[pyotr filipivich]

"~misfit~" <shaun.at...@gmail.com> on Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:59:20

Such a deal.

Somewhere's around here I have a Zenith Laptop. *088 chipset, and
a case made from cast iron. Takes forever to get steam pressure up in
the morning, but - it runs Windows 3.3.
It beat nothing when I got it, and right now, it mostly gets used
to press books and flowers. B-)