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som...@somewhere.not
Jan 16, 2016, 6:54:30 AM1/16/16
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Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
that, the costs begin.
MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
it's ready to go.
On the other hand, Linux costs nothing to download, but as soon as you
begin to install it, the cost begins. How much is your time worth? Even
if it's only minimum wage, which is currently around $7.50 an hour,
consider the hundreds of hours you will spend installing it. You cant
just install a disk and have it ready to use in an hour or two. Instead,
you begin the install process, and spend days or weeks getting it to
work correctly. This could result in spending literally HUNDREDS of
hours. Even if you can do it in 50 hours, that's $375.00 if your time is
only worth $7.50 an hour. You could buy THREE copies of Windows for that
money.
But it dont stop there. With Linux, you will forever spend hours and
hours in the future, working out the bugs and keeping Linux working,
much of that time will be spent reading huge books full of complicted
code and tutorials. Many more hours asking others online for help, and
much of the time you wont understand a word they said because they talk
an entirely different language that only a Linux Geek can understand.
At this point, one of two things will happen. Either you'll say "fuck
it" delete the contents of your hard drive, and buy Windows or get a
Macintosh. - OR - You will become obcessed and addicted to Linux, losing
your friends, family, and social life in the process. Before long,
you'll have thousands of hours invested in an Operating system that
lacks software, and is only used by about 5% of the computer world,
mening it lacks support and usefulness. One year down the Linux road,
you'll have $10,000.00 dollars or more invested (based on how much you
value your time). In addition you will likely develop health and
emotional issues that may require medical intervention, because Linux
has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
levels, and done more damage to your life.
And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
So why even begin with Linux? I've asked this question many times. But
then again, I gave it a try several times. Every time I ended up
frustrated, and confused. Everytime I asked for help on the internet,
either the replies I got were written in "Geek Speak", and not one word
made any sense to me, or someone will simply tell me I need to use
another distro, because the one I have is garbage. And with hundreds of
distros, I woul have spent the rest of my life installing other distros
based on the replies I received.
But my main reasons for trying it were twofold. 1. Curiousity. 2. I'm
tired of Microsofts newer super bloated Operating systems.
One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
Operating systems). I also see a Macintosh in my future, but Linux will
never appear on my monitor screen ever again. I tried it, and hated it.
If I was to put a price on my time that I wasted with Linux, it would be
in the tens of thousands of dollars. And all of that was wasted. But I
learned the hard way to AVOID LINUX entirely, and that's what I will do
for as long as I live. Some lessons in life are expensive, some are just
tough, and a few are fatal. Fortunately no one died, so I'll just write
it off as one of life's hard lessons, and know you get what you pay for.
This explains why Linux is free (to download), because no one would pay
for it.
Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
that, the costs begin.
MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
it's ready to go.
On the other hand, Linux costs nothing to download, but as soon as you
begin to install it, the cost begins. How much is your time worth? Even
if it's only minimum wage, which is currently around $7.50 an hour,
consider the hundreds of hours you will spend installing it. You cant
just install a disk and have it ready to use in an hour or two. Instead,
you begin the install process, and spend days or weeks getting it to
work correctly. This could result in spending literally HUNDREDS of
hours. Even if you can do it in 50 hours, that's $375.00 if your time is
only worth $7.50 an hour. You could buy THREE copies of Windows for that
money.
But it dont stop there. With Linux, you will forever spend hours and
hours in the future, working out the bugs and keeping Linux working,
much of that time will be spent reading huge books full of complicted
code and tutorials. Many more hours asking others online for help, and
much of the time you wont understand a word they said because they talk
an entirely different language that only a Linux Geek can understand.
At this point, one of two things will happen. Either you'll say "fuck
it" delete the contents of your hard drive, and buy Windows or get a
Macintosh. - OR - You will become obcessed and addicted to Linux, losing
your friends, family, and social life in the process. Before long,
you'll have thousands of hours invested in an Operating system that
lacks software, and is only used by about 5% of the computer world,
mening it lacks support and usefulness. One year down the Linux road,
you'll have $10,000.00 dollars or more invested (based on how much you
value your time). In addition you will likely develop health and
emotional issues that may require medical intervention, because Linux
has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
levels, and done more damage to your life.
And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
So why even begin with Linux? I've asked this question many times. But
then again, I gave it a try several times. Every time I ended up
frustrated, and confused. Everytime I asked for help on the internet,
either the replies I got were written in "Geek Speak", and not one word
made any sense to me, or someone will simply tell me I need to use
another distro, because the one I have is garbage. And with hundreds of
distros, I woul have spent the rest of my life installing other distros
based on the replies I received.
But my main reasons for trying it were twofold. 1. Curiousity. 2. I'm
tired of Microsofts newer super bloated Operating systems.
One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
Operating systems). I also see a Macintosh in my future, but Linux will
never appear on my monitor screen ever again. I tried it, and hated it.
If I was to put a price on my time that I wasted with Linux, it would be
in the tens of thousands of dollars. And all of that was wasted. But I
learned the hard way to AVOID LINUX entirely, and that's what I will do
for as long as I live. Some lessons in life are expensive, some are just
tough, and a few are fatal. Fortunately no one died, so I'll just write
it off as one of life's hard lessons, and know you get what you pay for.
This explains why Linux is free (to download), because no one would pay
for it.
Peter Köhlmann
Jan 16, 2016, 7:23:05 AM1/16/16
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som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
Idiot.
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
And now get lost. People dumber than bread like you should try to serve as
fertilizer
Chris Ahlstrom
Jan 16, 2016, 7:38:53 AM1/16/16
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Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Just another COLA troll trying to smear up a Linux venue with lies
and propaganda. It's part of the overweening corporations-are-people-too
culture we live in these days.
The putz who wrote this garbage ought to visit a real corporation, where
IT response times are going through the roof, even as the Windows systems it
supports are burdened with HBSS, anti-virus, no admin (root) access for
users, and other lock-downs. The minimum cost per seat, per year, is pretty
high. Here's one example:
https://fcw.com/articles/2002/07/15/study-nmci-worth-the-cost.aspx
The study found that the average cost per seat before NMCI was about
$3,545 per year. The cost of an average NMCI seat is $4,179. Although
the NMCI cost is 18 percent more, "the price of an NMCI seat includes
capabilities that are not available in the pre-NMCI environment," the
study says, including compliance with Defense Department mandates such
as records management, public-key infrastructure and security upgrades.
If the costs of those requirements were taken into account for the
pre-NMCI environment, the seat cost would increase to at least $4,286,
more than 2 percent more than the NMCI seat cost, the study concluded.
Well worth it? Tell that to the employees who are dead in the water for a
day or two because their Windows computer needs "reimaging". Or who
can't image a data directory to CD-ROM or even download an XML file
because the HBSS/AV corrupts the file. It's a real mess, and yet they
stick with this pathological infrastructure.
Luckily, where I work, they allow alternate OS's such as Linux. Among other
benefits, Linux users don't get malware pushed to their machines, and Linux
users get to be their own admins. Saves a LOT of time and money.
--
For a light heart lives long.
-- Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"
and propaganda. It's part of the overweening corporations-are-people-too
culture we live in these days.
The putz who wrote this garbage ought to visit a real corporation, where
IT response times are going through the roof, even as the Windows systems it
supports are burdened with HBSS, anti-virus, no admin (root) access for
users, and other lock-downs. The minimum cost per seat, per year, is pretty
high. Here's one example:
https://fcw.com/articles/2002/07/15/study-nmci-worth-the-cost.aspx
The study found that the average cost per seat before NMCI was about
$3,545 per year. The cost of an average NMCI seat is $4,179. Although
the NMCI cost is 18 percent more, "the price of an NMCI seat includes
capabilities that are not available in the pre-NMCI environment," the
study says, including compliance with Defense Department mandates such
as records management, public-key infrastructure and security upgrades.
If the costs of those requirements were taken into account for the
pre-NMCI environment, the seat cost would increase to at least $4,286,
more than 2 percent more than the NMCI seat cost, the study concluded.
Well worth it? Tell that to the employees who are dead in the water for a
day or two because their Windows computer needs "reimaging". Or who
can't image a data directory to CD-ROM or even download an XML file
because the HBSS/AV corrupts the file. It's a real mess, and yet they
stick with this pathological infrastructure.
Luckily, where I work, they allow alternate OS's such as Linux. Among other
benefits, Linux users don't get malware pushed to their machines, and Linux
users get to be their own admins. Saves a LOT of time and money.
--
For a light heart lives long.
-- Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"
Melzzzzz
Jan 16, 2016, 8:45:49 AM1/16/16
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:36:31 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
> > som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> >
> >> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
> >
> > Idiot.
> >
> > And now get lost. People dumber than bread like you should try to
> > serve as fertilizer
>
> Just another COLA troll trying to smear up a Linux venue with lies
> and propaganda. It's part of the overweening
> corporations-are-people-too culture we live in these days.
>
What I don't understand is why are they spamming Linux news groups, as
Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
> > som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> >
> >> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
> >
> > Idiot.
> >
> > And now get lost. People dumber than bread like you should try to
> > serve as fertilizer
>
> Just another COLA troll trying to smear up a Linux venue with lies
> and propaganda. It's part of the overweening
> corporations-are-people-too culture we live in these days.
>
how we don't know already about Linux so they have to educate us ;)
Dave C
Jan 16, 2016, 11:07:30 AM1/16/16
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thing about Linux is you can play with various distro's prior to install.
But here's the thing, an operating system is simply a platform to run
programs. Since we all run different programs and have different
preferences we are unlikely to all select the same options. But this is a
Linux group, so it's likely we are using it, so bugger off and you use
what you like and we will do the same (well, not the bugger off part).
Mark
Jan 16, 2016, 11:13:16 AM1/16/16
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make money during that time, then it did not have a real cost.
Second, many folks do not spend a great amount of time
installing and tweaking linux. I am sorry that you do not fall
into that category, but being a tweaker is not forced, it is a
choice.
Third, if you think people don't tweak windows, then you are
wrong. Just as much tweaking goes on in windows as on linux.
Finally, maintenance cost and time is much higher on windows. If
I want new software, I type apt-get install package-name, but a
windows user has to go somewhere, download, and install the
software. After the software is installed, my software stays up
to date, but the windows software has to be manually updated.
Wildman
Jan 16, 2016, 11:35:14 AM1/16/16
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J.O. Aho
Jan 16, 2016, 12:05:19 PM1/16/16
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On 01/16/2016 12:49 PM, som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
> that, the costs begin.
>
> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
> punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
> it's ready to go.
By that time, I have already been using my Linux for hours, as it takes
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
> that, the costs begin.
>
> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
> punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
> it's ready to go.
shorter time to install, less keys to punch and really don't need
tweaking as it works out of the box.
So with your logic, the MS Windows would cost 155USD to install and at
the same time you get for free a number of keyloggers and spyware, but
sure that must be worth every penny.
Then when you make a system update, sorry but not all programs was
updated to the latest version, you have to spend hours to find the
latest version of all your ms windows program which gives you a cost of
375USD per month to keep your computer free from vulnerabilities and
viruses.
In Linux when you make a system update all your programs are updated and
the update process takes less time than downloading the microsoft update
packages and in worst case you may have to reboot once to update to a
newer kernel.
With MS windows you have to reboot multiple times, spending even more
hours to keep your computer secure.
As microsoft users already have spent real money on the OS, they tend to
feel against to spend the needed 50-75 hours a month to keep the machine
secure and those microsoft windows is the most hacked system as the
majority of the machines ain't up to date and full of nasty vulnerabilities.
So as the Linux user saves 6905USD the fist year and 6750USD each
following year, makes that the Linux user can afford a nice car and
house and even travel to other parts of the world.
> Operating system that
> lacks software, and is only used by about 5% of the computer world,
> mening it lacks support and usefulness.
don't have to download them from the pirate bay as you do and I don't
have to worry that those programs has backdoors of malware.
Actually Linux is the worlds most used OS, just check the OS on your
phone, tv, blueray player, your cars navigation system, your router, the
server which stores your FUD posts. Hollywood studios uses Linux to make
special effects in the movies, NASA launches space rockets thanks to
Linux, NSA knew you were a jerk thanks to they can use Linux to spy on you.
> In addition you will likely develop health and
> emotional issues that may require medical intervention, because Linux
> has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
> levels, and done more damage to your life.
often than any other computer OS user group?
As I hadn't seen your post for a long long time, I thought you had
committed suicide, but I guess you was locked in due of mental issues.
> And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
> acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
> an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
> obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
newer than that, but on the other hand microsoft windows up to 98 are
addons to DOS and later microsoft windows wasn't even developed by
microsoft, as they lacked the skill of making a proper OS, so they had
to do the same thing as they done with DOS, buy an operating system and
rebrand it's as their own, no wonder they have so many vulnerabilities.
> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
> an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
> Operating systems).
don't forget all the vulnerabilities you have when you run your older
microsoft windows 3.11, did it even support tcp/ip?
crankypuss
Jan 16, 2016, 12:41:41 PM1/16/16
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> som...@somewhere.not wrote:
>>
>>> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>> And now get lost. People dumber than bread like you should try to
>> serve as fertilizer
>
> Just another COLA troll trying to smear up a Linux venue with lies
> and propaganda. It's part of the overweening
> corporations-are-people-too culture we live in these days.
I think maybe the same guy started two threads.
> Peter Köhlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> som...@somewhere.not wrote:
>>
>>> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>> And now get lost. People dumber than bread like you should try to
>> serve as fertilizer
>
> Just another COLA troll trying to smear up a Linux venue with lies
> and propaganda. It's part of the overweening
> corporations-are-people-too culture we live in these days.
--
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
[Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
Chris Ahlstrom
Jan 16, 2016, 1:30:05 PM1/16/16
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Wildman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
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> ║ PLEASE DO NOT ║ :.:\:\:/:/:.:
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> ║ Thank you, ║ ( (_) )
> ║ Management ║ /`-vvv-'\
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It was a good opportunity to point out that a corporate Windows
seat costs thousands of dollars (and that doesn't include the
hardware cost, I'll bet).
Oddity: That particular ASCIIgram of a troll always reminds
me of Albert Einstein. In the case of a troll, that would
be Albert Einstain.
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> ╔═══════════════════╗ .:\:\:/:/:.
> ║ PLEASE DO NOT ║ :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> ║ FEED THE TЯOLLS ║ :=.' - - '.=:
> ║ ║ '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> ║ Thank you, ║ ( (_) )
> ║ Management ║ /`-vvv-'\
> ╚════════╤═╤════════╝ / \
> │ │ @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
> │ │ @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
> @x@@x@ │ │ │/ WW( ( ) )WW
> \││││/ │ │ \│ __\,,\ /,,/__
> \││/ │ │ │ (______Y______)
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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seat costs thousands of dollars (and that doesn't include the
hardware cost, I'll bet).
Oddity: That particular ASCIIgram of a troll always reminds
me of Albert Einstein. In the case of a troll, that would
be Albert Einstain.
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crankypuss
Jan 16, 2016, 1:48:52 PM1/16/16
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som...@somewhere.not wrote:
[snip]
> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and
> installed an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still
> made GOOD Operating systems). I also see a Macintosh in my future, but
> Linux will never appear on my monitor screen ever again. I tried it,
> and hated it. If I was to put a price on my time that I wasted with
> Linux, it would be in the tens of thousands of dollars. And all of
> that was wasted. But I learned the hard way to AVOID LINUX entirely,
> and that's what I will do for as long as I live. Some lessons in life
> are expensive, some are just
> tough, and a few are fatal. Fortunately no one died, so I'll just
> write it off as one of life's hard lessons, and know you get what you
> pay for. This explains why Linux is free (to download), because no one
> would pay for it.
We'll miss you, sunshine.
[snip]
> But my main reasons for trying it were twofold. 1. Curiousity. 2. I'm
> tired of Microsofts newer super bloated Operating systems.
I agree that Windows has always sucked.
> tired of Microsofts newer super bloated Operating systems.
> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and
> installed an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still
> made GOOD Operating systems). I also see a Macintosh in my future, but
> Linux will never appear on my monitor screen ever again. I tried it,
> and hated it. If I was to put a price on my time that I wasted with
> Linux, it would be in the tens of thousands of dollars. And all of
> that was wasted. But I learned the hard way to AVOID LINUX entirely,
> and that's what I will do for as long as I live. Some lessons in life
> are expensive, some are just
> tough, and a few are fatal. Fortunately no one died, so I'll just
> write it off as one of life's hard lessons, and know you get what you
> pay for. This explains why Linux is free (to download), because no one
> would pay for it.
Big Al
Jan 16, 2016, 2:04:00 PM1/16/16
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<snip>
>
> Finally, maintenance cost and time is much higher on windows. If
> I want new software, I type apt-get install package-name, but a
> windows user has to go somewhere, download, and install the
> software. After the software is installed, my software stays up
> to date, but the windows software has to be manually updated.
>
And did you get a buggy or virus laden download on Windows?
>
> Finally, maintenance cost and time is much higher on windows. If
> I want new software, I type apt-get install package-name, but a
> windows user has to go somewhere, download, and install the
> software. After the software is installed, my software stays up
> to date, but the windows software has to be manually updated.
>
Pascal Hambourg
Jan 16, 2016, 2:27:21 PM1/16/16
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som...@somewhere.not a écrit :
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
Linux is free as in speech (freedom), not free as in beer (cost).
Mike Easter
Jan 16, 2016, 3:07:55 PM1/16/16
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som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> Linux will never appear on my monitor screen ever again.
OK. Bye.
> Linux will never appear on my monitor screen ever again.
--
Mike Easter
pioruns
Jan 16, 2016, 3:27:58 PM1/16/16
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On 16/01/16 11:49, som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
About year ago I installed Linux Mint on one of my friend's laptop, a
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
person who really doesn't understand how things works and why not to
click on everything on the page and not to agree to install everything
that is asking for it.
Result? I haven't received yet a single complain about her computer.
Everything has been configured and working since beginning. She doesn't
have any viruses, problems, slowing, crashes, anything. It just works.
It cost me ZERO time to maintenance this computer.
And what would it be Windows is installed on that laptop? I would be
fixing or restoring it every couple of months!
I also installed Ubuntu on my parents desktop 4 years ago. It's rock
solid ever since. Sometimes I logon via Teamviewer just to see how
things are, unsuprisingly, nothing unusual since installation.
I live over a 1000 miles away from them. I don't even want to think how
would that be if I left them with M$ Windows...
--
pozdrawiam, pioruns
_,.-'~'-.,__,.-'~'-.,__,.-'~'-.,__,.
Linux Registered User #454644
Jasen Betts
Jan 16, 2016, 6:01:11 PM1/16/16
to
On 2016-01-16, som...@somewhere.not <som...@somewhere.not> wrote:
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
> that, the costs begin.
>
> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
> punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
> it's ready to go.
$125 will get the crippled version... a good SINGLE USER version could
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
> that, the costs begin.
>
> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
> punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
> it's ready to go.
$300 if you want mult-user could be thousands of bucks.
> On the other hand, Linux costs nothing to download, but as soon as you
> begin to install it, the cost begins. How much is your time worth? Even
> if it's only minimum wage, which is currently around $7.50 an hour,
> consider the hundreds of hours you will spend installing it.
and fast internet. (Debian base system and from netinst
media on a server with 1GB internet) I was surprised, I was used to
it taking 20 to 30 minutes on entry level desktop hardware.
> You cant just install a disk and have it ready to use in an hour or two.
internet connection.
> Instead, you begin the install process, and spend days or weeks
> getting it to work correctly.
TL:DR
--
\_(ツ)_
William Poaster
Jan 16, 2016, 6:05:03 PM1/16/16
to
It was reported that J.O. Aho posted:
> On 01/16/2016 12:49 PM, som...@somewhere.not wrote:
>> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>>
>> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
>> that, the costs begin.
>>
>> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
>> punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
>> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
>> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
>> it's ready to go.
Bullshit.
Microsoft exec Ron Markezich was quoted saying that for every $1
companies spend on Microsoft software, they need to spend $6 getting
it to work right. -- April 2011 SanFrancisco Chronical --
NASA also uses Linux laptops on the ISS, they dumped M$ virusware a while
ago, & have used Linux desktops & servers in their groundstations for
*years*. CERN uses Linux desktops & laptops.
>> In addition you will likely develop health and
>> emotional issues that may require medical intervention, because Linux
>> has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
>> levels, and done more damage to your life.
>
> So why is it that ms windows users tend to commit suicide a lot more
> often than any other computer OS user group?
> As I hadn't seen your post for a long long time, I thought you had
> committed suicide, but I guess you was locked in due of mental issues.
>
>
>> And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
>> acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
>> an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
>> obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
*YAWN* The only obsolete crap here is this trollshit from a has-been troll.
> You know that Linus was a small kid back in the 1980s, Linux is a lot
> newer than that, but on the other hand microsoft windows up to 98 are
> addons to DOS and later microsoft windows wasn't even developed by
> microsoft, as they lacked the skill of making a proper OS, so they had
> to do the same thing as they done with DOS, buy an operating system and
> rebrand it's as their own, no wonder they have so many vulnerabilities.
>
>
>> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
>> an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
>> Operating systems).
>
> Sorry, they never done an operating system, they bought them all and
> don't forget all the vulnerabilities you have when you run your older
> microsoft windows 3.11, did it even support tcp/ip?
--
openSUSE 13.2 64-bit
KDE 4.14.9
Kernel: 4.2.2-1.gb3ecf72-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT
Tue Sep 29 18:51:15 UTC 2015 (b3ecf72) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
This message is virus free, as absolutely
NO Micro$oft products were used in its preparation.
"If you do want to clean your computer of malware, the first software to
delete is Windows."
http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html
> On 01/16/2016 12:49 PM, som...@somewhere.not wrote:
>> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>>
>> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
>> that, the costs begin.
>>
>> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it, install the disk,
>> punch a few keys, register it, and an hour or so later you have a
>> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
>> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
>> it's ready to go.
Microsoft exec Ron Markezich was quoted saying that for every $1
companies spend on Microsoft software, they need to spend $6 getting
it to work right. -- April 2011 SanFrancisco Chronical --
ago, & have used Linux desktops & servers in their groundstations for
*years*. CERN uses Linux desktops & laptops.
>> In addition you will likely develop health and
>> emotional issues that may require medical intervention, because Linux
>> has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
>> levels, and done more damage to your life.
>
> So why is it that ms windows users tend to commit suicide a lot more
> often than any other computer OS user group?
> As I hadn't seen your post for a long long time, I thought you had
> committed suicide, but I guess you was locked in due of mental issues.
>
>
>> And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
>> acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
>> an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
>> obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
> You know that Linus was a small kid back in the 1980s, Linux is a lot
> newer than that, but on the other hand microsoft windows up to 98 are
> addons to DOS and later microsoft windows wasn't even developed by
> microsoft, as they lacked the skill of making a proper OS, so they had
> to do the same thing as they done with DOS, buy an operating system and
> rebrand it's as their own, no wonder they have so many vulnerabilities.
>
>
>> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
>> an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
>> Operating systems).
>
> Sorry, they never done an operating system, they bought them all and
> don't forget all the vulnerabilities you have when you run your older
> microsoft windows 3.11, did it even support tcp/ip?
openSUSE 13.2 64-bit
KDE 4.14.9
Kernel: 4.2.2-1.gb3ecf72-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT
Tue Sep 29 18:51:15 UTC 2015 (b3ecf72) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
This message is virus free, as absolutely
NO Micro$oft products were used in its preparation.
"If you do want to clean your computer of malware, the first software to
delete is Windows."
http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html
Chris Ahlstrom
Jan 16, 2016, 8:56:43 PM1/16/16
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Big Al wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Surely he did... from a WSUS server! :-D
--
Are you sure the back door is locked?
--
Are you sure the back door is locked?
som...@somewhere.not
Jan 16, 2016, 9:52:55 PM1/16/16
to
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:35:11 -0600, Wildman <best...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ????????????????????? .:\:\:/:/:.
> ? PLEASE DO NOT ? :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> ? FEED THE T?OLLS ? :=.' - - '.=:
> ? ? '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> ? Thank you, ? ( (_) )
> ? Management ? /`-vvv-'\
> ????????????????????? / \
> ? ? @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
> ? ? @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
> @x@@x@ ? ? ?/ WW( ( ) )WW
> \????/ ? ? \? __\,,\ /,,/__
> \??/ ? ? ? (______Y______)
Oh yea, I forgot to mention. Linux users are ALWAYS assholes. Every one
of them I've ever met in person, or communicated with online, has been a
total loser and asshole. But the reason is obvious. All of them spend
ALL of their time fighting with linux, so they never get out around
people. Therefore they severely lack in social skills!
On top of that. linux users are like addicts. They will lie and make
false statements, even degrade others, and would probably kill other
people who speak against their crappy software. They are so devoted to
their fucking linux, no one can speak against it. Every response in this
thread has been lies, and personal attacks. Calling someone a troll is
just another copout. But Linux is merely experimental software, based on
very old obsolete Unix and it will NEVER become mainstream. Yet, you
losers all live in a world of fantasy and continue to belive that linux
will someday take over the world. GUESS WHAT, "IT NEVER WILL BE
ANYTHING", except experimental garbage.
In my original post in this thread, EVERYTHING I said was entirely based
on my own horrible experiences with Linux. It was not meant to promote
MS Windows, because I honestly think any MS operating system above
Windows 7, is pure garbage. That's why a Macintosh computer is in my
future.
Linux would not even run from a flash drive, or much less install on my
fairly powerful computer, when in fact it claimed it would run on much
older and slower systems. And that was at least 8 different distros
dated from 2015. I could only get one distro to install, which was from
2008 or 09, and that was a useless "do nothing" piece of crap, which
would not allow me to connect to the internet or even allow me to access
the files on another HDD. The worst of all was Mint. That bloated piece
of crap completely froze up my system on each and every boot from a
flash drive.
But I know one thing about Linux. It must contain some sort of
subliminal messages that brainwashes it's users into linux devotees, and
turns them into total assholes in the process. Maybe linux was designed
by the Nazis, and you should be chanting HEIL LINUX each and everytime
you boot up that piece of crap linux machine.
But all of you assholes will continue to defend your fucking outdated
and worthless linux at all costs. Go ahead, enjoy your dead end software
and I hope you choke on it. But since none of you are honest and
truthful, I'll say it for you.... "Linux is a piece of SHIT"!
I have nothing further to say about this. Linux is not allowed in my
home or in my life ever again.
TROLL ON FUCKERS !!!!
> ????????????????????? .:\:\:/:/:.
> ? PLEASE DO NOT ? :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> ? FEED THE T?OLLS ? :=.' - - '.=:
> ? ? '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> ? Thank you, ? ( (_) )
> ? Management ? /`-vvv-'\
> ????????????????????? / \
> ? ? @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
> ? ? @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
> @x@@x@ ? ? ?/ WW( ( ) )WW
> \????/ ? ? \? __\,,\ /,,/__
> \??/ ? ? ? (______Y______)
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Oh yea, I forgot to mention. Linux users are ALWAYS assholes. Every one
of them I've ever met in person, or communicated with online, has been a
total loser and asshole. But the reason is obvious. All of them spend
ALL of their time fighting with linux, so they never get out around
people. Therefore they severely lack in social skills!
On top of that. linux users are like addicts. They will lie and make
false statements, even degrade others, and would probably kill other
people who speak against their crappy software. They are so devoted to
their fucking linux, no one can speak against it. Every response in this
thread has been lies, and personal attacks. Calling someone a troll is
just another copout. But Linux is merely experimental software, based on
very old obsolete Unix and it will NEVER become mainstream. Yet, you
losers all live in a world of fantasy and continue to belive that linux
will someday take over the world. GUESS WHAT, "IT NEVER WILL BE
ANYTHING", except experimental garbage.
In my original post in this thread, EVERYTHING I said was entirely based
on my own horrible experiences with Linux. It was not meant to promote
MS Windows, because I honestly think any MS operating system above
Windows 7, is pure garbage. That's why a Macintosh computer is in my
future.
Linux would not even run from a flash drive, or much less install on my
fairly powerful computer, when in fact it claimed it would run on much
older and slower systems. And that was at least 8 different distros
dated from 2015. I could only get one distro to install, which was from
2008 or 09, and that was a useless "do nothing" piece of crap, which
would not allow me to connect to the internet or even allow me to access
the files on another HDD. The worst of all was Mint. That bloated piece
of crap completely froze up my system on each and every boot from a
flash drive.
But I know one thing about Linux. It must contain some sort of
subliminal messages that brainwashes it's users into linux devotees, and
turns them into total assholes in the process. Maybe linux was designed
by the Nazis, and you should be chanting HEIL LINUX each and everytime
you boot up that piece of crap linux machine.
But all of you assholes will continue to defend your fucking outdated
and worthless linux at all costs. Go ahead, enjoy your dead end software
and I hope you choke on it. But since none of you are honest and
truthful, I'll say it for you.... "Linux is a piece of SHIT"!
I have nothing further to say about this. Linux is not allowed in my
home or in my life ever again.
TROLL ON FUCKERS !!!!
Mark McGaha
Jan 16, 2016, 11:02:50 PM1/16/16
to
som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> That's why a Macintosh computer is in my future.
Macs are nice. It sounds like you need a mac and maybe a drink.
> That's why a Macintosh computer is in my future.
Wildman
Jan 17, 2016, 3:04:36 AM1/17/16
to
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:47:48 -0600, someone wrote:
> Oh yea, I forgot to mention. Linux users are ALWAYS assholes.
<snipped the rest unread>
> Oh yea, I forgot to mention. Linux users are ALWAYS assholes.
I would rather be an asshole than a troll. At least an
asshole has a purpose.
--
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
Chris Ahlstrom
Jan 17, 2016, 6:53:12 AM1/17/16
to
som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
From whence these wackos?
--
You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.
>
From whence these wackos?
--
You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.
Aragorn
Jan 17, 2016, 7:05:20 AM1/17/16
to
On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux...
> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
> royalties:
>
>>
>
> From whence these wackos?
Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
alt.os.linux...
> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
> royalties:
>
>>
>
> From whence these wackos?
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
Peter Köhlmann
Jan 17, 2016, 8:17:17 AM1/17/16
to
som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:35:11 -0600, Wildman <best...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ????????????????????? .:\:\:/:/:.
>> ? PLEASE DO NOT ? :.:\:\:/:/:.:
>> ? FEED THE T?OLLS ? :=.' - - '.=:
>> ? ? '=(\ 9 9 /)='
>> ? Thank you, ? ( (_) )
>> ? Management ? /`-vvv-'\
>> ????????????????????? / \
>> ? ? @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
>> ? ? @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
>> @x@@x@ ? ? ?/ WW( ( ) )WW
>> \????/ ? ? \? __\,,\ /,,/__
>> \??/ ? ? ? (______Y______)
>>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> Oh yea, I forgot to mention. Linux users are ALWAYS assholes.
Well, you get what you deserve, you cretinous lying swine
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:35:11 -0600, Wildman <best...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ????????????????????? .:\:\:/:/:.
>> ? PLEASE DO NOT ? :.:\:\:/:/:.:
>> ? FEED THE T?OLLS ? :=.' - - '.=:
>> ? ? '=(\ 9 9 /)='
>> ? Thank you, ? ( (_) )
>> ? Management ? /`-vvv-'\
>> ????????????????????? / \
>> ? ? @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
>> ? ? @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
>> @x@@x@ ? ? ?/ WW( ( ) )WW
>> \????/ ? ? \? __\,,\ /,,/__
>> \??/ ? ? ? (______Y______)
>>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
>>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> Oh yea, I forgot to mention. Linux users are ALWAYS assholes.
Peter Köhlmann
Jan 17, 2016, 8:17:57 AM1/17/16
to
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
> royalties:
>
>>
>
> From whence these wackos?
>
flatfish Gary Stewrat naturally
> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
> royalties:
>
>>
>
> From whence these wackos?
>
Chris Ahlstrom
Jan 17, 2016, 9:09:53 AM1/17/16
to
Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
> alt.os.linux...
>
>> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>> royalties:
>>
>>>
>>
>> From whence these wackos?
>
> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
--
Q: What's hard going in and soft and sticky coming out?
A: Chewing gum.
> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
> alt.os.linux...
>
>> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>> royalties:
>>
>>>
>>
>> From whence these wackos?
>
> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
--
Q: What's hard going in and soft and sticky coming out?
A: Chewing gum.
Aragorn
Jan 17, 2016, 10:21:50 AM1/17/16
to
On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 15:07, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
simply not sophisticated enough, and the narrative is still the same one
as he and his ilk were using at least a decade ago.
I recognize the narrative, and I recognize the writing style. This is
merely one of the psychopathic and psychotic bullies from C.O.L.A. Not
necessarily "flatfish", but definitely one of his fellow miscreants.
In the end, it isn't even about GNU/Linux, you know. It could just as
easily be about any other subject. It just so happens to be that
C.O.L.A. is where these trolls have gathered, and that they simply chose
the audience of GNU/Linux advocates and users to pick on.
The "GNU/Linux vs. Windows" meme is merely the means to an end. They
simply need someone to bully, someone whose buttons to push. It's what
they feed on, because they have no value of themselves, and they are
probably all drug-addicted losers who've got nothing else to do with
their time, which makes them frustrated and jealous of those who do.
alt.os.linux...
> Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux...
>>
> Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux...
>>
>>> From whence these wackos?
>>
>> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
>
> I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
Those are definitely around, but it won't be this critter here. He's
>>
>> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
>
> I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
simply not sophisticated enough, and the narrative is still the same one
as he and his ilk were using at least a decade ago.
I recognize the narrative, and I recognize the writing style. This is
merely one of the psychopathic and psychotic bullies from C.O.L.A. Not
necessarily "flatfish", but definitely one of his fellow miscreants.
In the end, it isn't even about GNU/Linux, you know. It could just as
easily be about any other subject. It just so happens to be that
C.O.L.A. is where these trolls have gathered, and that they simply chose
the audience of GNU/Linux advocates and users to pick on.
The "GNU/Linux vs. Windows" meme is merely the means to an end. They
simply need someone to bully, someone whose buttons to push. It's what
they feed on, because they have no value of themselves, and they are
probably all drug-addicted losers who've got nothing else to do with
their time, which makes them frustrated and jealous of those who do.
William Unruh
Jan 17, 2016, 12:40:22 PM1/17/16
to
On 2016-01-17, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux...
>>
>>> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>> royalties:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> From whence these wackos?
>>
>> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
>
> I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
Well he does at the end also slang Microsoft as well. So he seems to
> Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux...
>>
>>> som...@somewhere.not wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
>>> royalties:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> From whence these wackos?
>>
>> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
>
> I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
either be a very disgrunteled and unlucky linux tryer, or he is a shill
who is trying to increase his credentials by seeming "evenhanded".
>
Chris Ahlstrom
Jan 17, 2016, 12:54:02 PM1/17/16
to
William Unruh wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> On 2016-01-17, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
>>> alt.os.linux...
>>>
--
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One. Only it's his light bulb when he's done.
> On 2016-01-17, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Aragorn wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Sunday 17 Jan 2016 12:50, Chris Ahlstrom conveyed the following to
>>> alt.os.linux...
>>>
>>>> From whence these wackos?
>>>
>>> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
>>
>> I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
>
> Well he does at the end also slang Microsoft as well. So he seems to
> either be a very disgrunteled and unlucky linux tryer, or he is a shill
> who is trying to increase his credentials by seeming "evenhanded".
I call it "credibility innoculation".
>>>
>>> Why, from comp.os.linux.advocacy, of course. Where else? ;)
>>
>> I was thinking maybe Redmond, or Cupertino. Hired guns?
>
> Well he does at the end also slang Microsoft as well. So he seems to
> either be a very disgrunteled and unlucky linux tryer, or he is a shill
> who is trying to increase his credentials by seeming "evenhanded".
--
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One. Only it's his light bulb when he's done.
Wildman
Jan 17, 2016, 1:47:20 PM1/17/16
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LOL
--
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
Robert Newson
Jan 18, 2016, 6:06:44 PM1/18/16
to
I'm bored and should be going to bed, so I'll bite for now:
On 16/01/16 11:49, som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
> that, the costs begin.
>
> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it,
You don't buy Windwos, you buy a licence to use Windwos.
If you think you've brought a copy of Windows you believe the
misinformation of the ads.
> and an hour or so later you have a
> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
> it's ready to go.
>
> just install a disk and have it ready to use in an hour or two. Instead,
install on as many machines as I like (as I do with Linux)?
> But it dont stop there. With Linux, you will forever spend hours and
> hours in the future, working out the bugs and keeping Linux working,
You've obviously not had to keep a Windwos machine working - all the
virus scans that prevent any useful work being done as they slow the
machine down, plus all the costs of the time and data keeping the virus
definitions up to date so that viruses are not missed
> much of that time will be spent reading huge books full of complicted
> code and tutorials. Many more hours asking others online for help, and
> much of the time you wont understand a word they said because they talk
> an entirely different language that only a Linux Geek can understand.
>
> At this point, one of two things will happen. Either you'll say "fuck
> it" delete the contents of your hard drive, and buy Windows or get a
> Macintosh. - OR - You will become obcessed and addicted to Linux, losing
> your friends, family, and social life in the process. Before long,
> you'll have thousands of hours invested in an Operating system that
uses Linux than you think: The majority of web servers, lots of the
internet routers, lots of [home] wifi routers, lots of smart TVs, lots
of phones (more phones run a version of Unix (of which Linux is but one)
than Windows), the top Super computers, render farms for your favourite
animated films, ...
Unless you mean personal computers which would normally run
Windwos...where do you get the 5% figure from? What's your source?
> mening it lacks support and usefulness. One year down the Linux road,
> you'll have $10,000.00 dollars or more invested (based on how much you
> value your time). In addition you will likely develop health and
want and not what I actually want.
> And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
> acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
> an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
> obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
Funny...I would bet that it is extremely likely you have a device
running Linux in your home and you are totally unaware of it as it just
runs.
> So why even begin with Linux? I've asked this question many times. But
> then again, I gave it a try several times. Every time I ended up
> frustrated, and confused. Everytime I asked for help on the internet,
> either the replies I got were written in "Geek Speak", and not one word
> made any sense to me, or someone will simply tell me I need to use
> another distro, because the one I have is garbage. And with hundreds of
> distros, I woul have spent the rest of my life installing other distros
> based on the replies I received.
You don't need to install a distro to try it - they work happily off a
DVD leaving your Hard Disk unaltered.
> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
> an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
> Operating systems).
MS have never made Operating system - they've bought them in.
Which "GOOD" MS Operating System did you install? DOS 2.2?
Dos 5 suffered from the Virus problem that plagues Microsoft Operating
Systems to this day - if nothing you can say that MS operating systems
(sic) are backwards compatible. You would have thought that in the 20
or so years since DOS 5 that they would have solved the Virus problem
once and for all. Even with the scrapping of the DOS underlying a
Windwos shell (Windwos ME being the last of the line) and going to a
completely new build they could have fixed the Virus problem; and yet it
remains...
So what's you definition of GOOD? All I can see from Microsoft is BAD
Operating Systems that require hours of maintenance just to protect your
data.
> I also see a Macintosh in my future, but Linux will
Linux are both of the same stable - they are different branches of Unix,
but with a different User Interface.
> I tried it, and hated it.
> If I was to put a price on my time that I wasted with Linux, it would be
> in the tens of thousands of dollars.
You must have been not using Windwos and trying Linux for years and years.
> And all of that was wasted. But I
> learned the hard way to AVOID LINUX entirely, and that's what I will do
> for as long as I live. Some lessons in life are expensive, some are just
> tough, and a few are fatal. Fortunately no one died, so I'll just write
> it off as one of life's hard lessons, and know you get what you pay for.
Yep, pay for Windwos and you know you'll be getting an OS that even
Microsoft has said was unfit for purpose (
http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2003-December/054204.html ) and
you'll be spending hundreds if not thousands more dealing with the flaws
that Microsoft has been unwilling, or unable, to fix for over 20 years.
> This explains why Linux is free (to download), because no one would pay
> for it.
Problem is there are so many moron who pay for Windwos because they have
been brainwashed into thinking that the latest offering is better,
faster and ignoring that it still have the vulnerabilities that have
been around for 20 years.
On 16/01/16 11:49, som...@somewhere.not wrote:
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
> Sure, you can download almost every Linux distro for free, but after
> that, the costs begin.
>
> MS Windows has always cost around $125 or so. Buy it,
If you think you've brought a copy of Windows you believe the
misinformation of the ads.
> install the disk,
> punch a few keys, register it,
On as many machines as I like? I think not.
> punch a few keys, register it,
> and an hour or so later you have a
> working ready to use Operating system. Ok, you'll probably spend a few
> hours tweaking it and setting it up to match your likes, but after that,
> it's ready to go.
>
> On the other hand, Linux costs nothing to download, but as soon as you
> begin to install it, the cost begins. How much is your time worth? Even
> if it's only minimum wage, which is currently around $7.50 an hour,
> consider the hundreds of hours you will spend installing it. You cant
> begin to install it, the cost begins. How much is your time worth? Even
> if it's only minimum wage, which is currently around $7.50 an hour,
> just install a disk and have it ready to use in an hour or two. Instead,
> you begin the install process, and spend days or weeks getting it to
> work correctly. This could result in spending literally HUNDREDS of
> hours. Even if you can do it in 50 hours, that's $375.00 if your time is
> only worth $7.50 an hour. You could buy THREE copies of Windows for that
> money.
Why do I need to buy THREE copies when I only need ONE which I can then
> hours. Even if you can do it in 50 hours, that's $375.00 if your time is
> only worth $7.50 an hour. You could buy THREE copies of Windows for that
> money.
install on as many machines as I like (as I do with Linux)?
> But it dont stop there. With Linux, you will forever spend hours and
> hours in the future, working out the bugs and keeping Linux working,
virus scans that prevent any useful work being done as they slow the
machine down, plus all the costs of the time and data keeping the virus
definitions up to date so that viruses are not missed
> much of that time will be spent reading huge books full of complicted
> code and tutorials. Many more hours asking others online for help, and
> much of the time you wont understand a word they said because they talk
> an entirely different language that only a Linux Geek can understand.
>
> At this point, one of two things will happen. Either you'll say "fuck
> it" delete the contents of your hard drive, and buy Windows or get a
> Macintosh. - OR - You will become obcessed and addicted to Linux, losing
> your friends, family, and social life in the process. Before long,
> lacks software, and is only used by about 5% of the computer world,
You need to look again...a heck of a lot more of the "Computer World"
uses Linux than you think: The majority of web servers, lots of the
internet routers, lots of [home] wifi routers, lots of smart TVs, lots
of phones (more phones run a version of Unix (of which Linux is but one)
than Windows), the top Super computers, render farms for your favourite
animated films, ...
Unless you mean personal computers which would normally run
Windwos...where do you get the 5% figure from? What's your source?
> mening it lacks support and usefulness. One year down the Linux road,
> you'll have $10,000.00 dollars or more invested (based on how much you
> emotional issues that may require medical intervention, because Linux
> has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
> levels, and done more damage to your life.
I've had more stress from Windwos and it doing what Microsoft insists I
> has caused you to stop moving and exercising, stressed out your mental
> levels, and done more damage to your life.
want and not what I actually want.
> And for what purpose? Linux still lacks support, software, and
> acceptance by the majority of computer users. Worse yet, you'll be using
> an Operating system which was developed in the 1980s and is very
> obsolete, and never will be accepted by most people.
running Linux in your home and you are totally unaware of it as it just
runs.
> So why even begin with Linux? I've asked this question many times. But
> then again, I gave it a try several times. Every time I ended up
> frustrated, and confused. Everytime I asked for help on the internet,
> either the replies I got were written in "Geek Speak", and not one word
> made any sense to me, or someone will simply tell me I need to use
> another distro, because the one I have is garbage. And with hundreds of
> distros, I woul have spent the rest of my life installing other distros
> based on the replies I received.
DVD leaving your Hard Disk unaltered.
>
> But my main reasons for trying it were twofold. 1. Curiousity. 2. I'm
> tired of Microsofts newer super bloated Operating systems.
Well spotted - with Linux you can install as much, or as little as you want.
> But my main reasons for trying it were twofold. 1. Curiousity. 2. I'm
> tired of Microsofts newer super bloated Operating systems.
> One day I said enough of this crap. I wiped my hard drive, and installed
> an older version of MS Windows, (from back when MS still made GOOD
> Operating systems).
Which "GOOD" MS Operating System did you install? DOS 2.2?
Dos 5 suffered from the Virus problem that plagues Microsoft Operating
Systems to this day - if nothing you can say that MS operating systems
(sic) are backwards compatible. You would have thought that in the 20
or so years since DOS 5 that they would have solved the Virus problem
once and for all. Even with the scrapping of the DOS underlying a
Windwos shell (Windwos ME being the last of the line) and going to a
completely new build they could have fixed the Virus problem; and yet it
remains...
So what's you definition of GOOD? All I can see from Microsoft is BAD
Operating Systems that require hours of maintenance just to protect your
data.
> I also see a Macintosh in my future, but Linux will
> never appear on my monitor screen ever again.
You do realise that the underlying OS of the Macintosh and the OS of
Linux are both of the same stable - they are different branches of Unix,
but with a different User Interface.
> I tried it, and hated it.
> If I was to put a price on my time that I wasted with Linux, it would be
> in the tens of thousands of dollars.
> And all of that was wasted. But I
> learned the hard way to AVOID LINUX entirely, and that's what I will do
> for as long as I live. Some lessons in life are expensive, some are just
> tough, and a few are fatal. Fortunately no one died, so I'll just write
> it off as one of life's hard lessons, and know you get what you pay for.
Microsoft has said was unfit for purpose (
http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2003-December/054204.html ) and
you'll be spending hundreds if not thousands more dealing with the flaws
that Microsoft has been unwilling, or unable, to fix for over 20 years.
> This explains why Linux is free (to download), because no one would pay
> for it.
been brainwashed into thinking that the latest offering is better,
faster and ignoring that it still have the vulnerabilities that have
been around for 20 years.
mike
Jan 18, 2016, 11:38:11 PM1/18/16
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On 1/18/2016 3:06 PM, Robert Newson wrote:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Linux misdirection #1.
My computer uses much of the technology used in my automobile.
But, somehow, I have never been able to get my computer to carry
the kids to band practice.
Users care not about the technology. They care about the functionality
on THEIR terms in THEIR real world.
Linux-derived technology is a very good fit for many APPLIANCES.
Problems start when desktop users have to actually interact with the OS.
>
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Linux misdirection #2.
If your live distro does what you want, you don't want much;
just keep using it.
I do that with Puppy all the time.
If you need to add apps.
If you need to add hardware drivers.
If you need to update software.
You need to install it and become a guru.
If your post-installation nvidia driver gives you a display just like it
did from the live distro, you're fortunate.
Congratulations!
You have just installed a HOBBY.
That's not a bad thing, if that's what you wanted.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> You need to look again...a heck of a lot more of the "Computer World"
> uses Linux than you think: The majority of web servers, lots of the
> internet routers, lots of [home] wifi routers, lots of smart TVs, lots
> of phones (more phones run a version of Unix (of which Linux is but one)
> than Windows), the top Super computers, render farms for your favourite
> animated films, ...
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> uses Linux than you think: The majority of web servers, lots of the
> internet routers, lots of [home] wifi routers, lots of smart TVs, lots
> of phones (more phones run a version of Unix (of which Linux is but one)
> than Windows), the top Super computers, render farms for your favourite
> animated films, ...
Linux misdirection #1.
My computer uses much of the technology used in my automobile.
But, somehow, I have never been able to get my computer to carry
the kids to band practice.
Users care not about the technology. They care about the functionality
on THEIR terms in THEIR real world.
Linux-derived technology is a very good fit for many APPLIANCES.
Problems start when desktop users have to actually interact with the OS.
>
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> You don't need to install a distro to try it - they work happily off a
> DVD leaving your Hard Disk unaltered.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> DVD leaving your Hard Disk unaltered.
Linux misdirection #2.
If your live distro does what you want, you don't want much;
just keep using it.
I do that with Puppy all the time.
If you need to add apps.
If you need to add hardware drivers.
If you need to update software.
You need to install it and become a guru.
If your post-installation nvidia driver gives you a display just like it
did from the live distro, you're fortunate.
Congratulations!
You have just installed a HOBBY.
That's not a bad thing, if that's what you wanted.
Ammammata
Jan 19, 2016, 2:25:27 AM1/19/16
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Il giorno Sat 16 Jan 2016 12:49:36p, ** inviava su alt.os.linux il
messaggio news:bibk9bllr3mb175g1...@4ax.com. Vediamo cosa
scrisse:
>
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
>
[agatino]
yes, funny post! :)
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>
> Every Linux user (geek) says Linux is free. NO IT"S NOT!!
>
>
yes, funny post! :)
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Daniel47
Jul 13, 2016, 6:35:34 AM7/13/16
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On 17/01/2016 3:35 AM, Wildman wrote:
> ╔═══════════════════╗ .:\:\:/:/:.
> ║ PLEASE DO NOT ║ :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> ║ FEED THE TЯOLLS ║ :=.' - - '.=:
> ║ ║ '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> ║ Thank you, ║ ( (_) )
> ║ Management ║ /`-vvv-'\
> ╚════════╤═╤════════╝ / \
> │ │ @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
> │ │ @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
> @x@@x@ │ │ │/ WW( ( ) )WW
> \││││/ │ │ \│ __\,,\ /,,/__
> \││/ │ │ │ (______Y______)
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════
>
(Just catching up on some previously unread threads!!)
> ╔═══════════════════╗ .:\:\:/:/:.
> ║ PLEASE DO NOT ║ :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> ║ FEED THE TЯOLLS ║ :=.' - - '.=:
> ║ ║ '=(\ 9 9 /)='
> ║ Thank you, ║ ( (_) )
> ║ Management ║ /`-vvv-'\
> ╚════════╤═╤════════╝ / \
> │ │ @@@ / /|,,,,,|\ \
> │ │ @@@ /_// /^\ \\_\
> @x@@x@ │ │ │/ WW( ( ) )WW
> \││││/ │ │ \│ __\,,\ /,,/__
> \││/ │ │ │ (______Y______)
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
> ═════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════
>
What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this picture??
(before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
Daniel
J.O. Aho
Jul 13, 2016, 12:49:23 PM7/13/16
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it's done before terrible html mail.
--
//Aho
Mike Easter
Jul 13, 2016, 1:04:33 PM7/13/16
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J.O. Aho wrote:
http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
How how is it done?
The asciimation is achieved by displaying frames of ASCII text one after
the other at a given rate. Each frame is a fixed number of characters
wide by a fixed number of lines high. The frames are put together into a
standard text f ile. That text file is then converted to a slightly
different format and stored in compressed form. A player application
simply reads each frame in sequence from the modified text file and
displays it on the screen for a short period of time.
How do I write the asciimation text file?
This is the time consuming part! An asciimation consists of a number of
frames just like any animation. Before you can have a film you must have
a large number of frames. Before you start drawing your frames you need
to decide how big they will be. For example mine are 67 columns by 14
rows. After you decide on the size you can start drawing your frames.
--
Mike Easter
> Daniel47 wrote:
>> What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this
>> picture?? (before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
>
> There are a lot of ascii art that you can just google and use, much
> of it's done before terrible html mail.
How about the 'massive' Star Wars Asciimation?
>> What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this
>> picture?? (before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
>
> There are a lot of ascii art that you can just google and use, much
> of it's done before terrible html mail.
http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
How how is it done?
The asciimation is achieved by displaying frames of ASCII text one after
the other at a given rate. Each frame is a fixed number of characters
wide by a fixed number of lines high. The frames are put together into a
standard text f ile. That text file is then converted to a slightly
different format and stored in compressed form. A player application
simply reads each frame in sequence from the modified text file and
displays it on the screen for a short period of time.
How do I write the asciimation text file?
This is the time consuming part! An asciimation consists of a number of
frames just like any animation. Before you can have a film you must have
a large number of frames. Before you start drawing your frames you need
to decide how big they will be. For example mine are 67 columns by 14
rows. After you decide on the size you can start drawing your frames.
--
Mike Easter
Daniel47
Jul 14, 2016, 6:51:46 AM7/14/16
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Which reminds me .... somewhere I have a printout (I think about 4 to 5
ft long) done on a 50/75 baud (yes just 50/75 baud) TTY printer in about
1980, of the U.S.S. Enterprise, a la Star Trek. Different shadings
achieved by using different letters and overprinting!
But, come to think of it, it's been so long since I've had it out, the
prints probably faded ... or the paper de-composed!!
Daniel
Daniel47
Jul 14, 2016, 6:55:36 AM7/14/16
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On 14/07/2016 3:04 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Daniel47 wrote:
>
>>> What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this
>>> picture?? (before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
>>
>> There are a lot of ascii art that you can just google and use, much
>> of it's done before terrible html mail.
>
> How about the 'massive' Star Wars Asciimation?
>
> http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
Like I've typed before ... Some people have waaaay to much spare time,
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Daniel47 wrote:
>
>>> What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this
>>> picture?? (before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
>>
>> There are a lot of ascii art that you can just google and use, much
>> of it's done before terrible html mail.
>
> How about the 'massive' Star Wars Asciimation?
>
> http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
Mike!!
I watched for about ten minutes ... the speed was just a smig too quick
for me, by the time I worked out what the image was and then read the
te.....!
Daniel
Aragorn
Jul 14, 2016, 8:06:07 AM7/14/16
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On Thursday 14 Jul 2016 12:51, Daniel47 conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux...
,())))),
,()))))))),. ,---,,,_
()))))))//((\ ( ))
(\\( \))( \(/) Thith video thux! ( )
/( \\ / ( )
// _ \ (_(_(((( )
// \ / \ ( , \ )
\ (. . \ | / ) )
(, | ,) |\ / ( )
\ ^\/^ / Yeah Yeah! (.(.) S )
\ / \ /_ \ )
\ (-<>-) / \ /__) ^ \/
\ -- / ____ |
\ __ / )______ |
| | \ |
__-|__|-__ __-\__|-__
( ) ( )
|_| |_| |_| |_|
| | | | | | | |
:p
alt.os.linux...
,()))))))),. ,---,,,_
()))))))//((\ ( ))
(\\( \))( \(/) Thith video thux! ( )
/( \\ / ( )
// _ \ (_(_(((( )
// \ / \ ( , \ )
\ (. . \ | / ) )
(, | ,) |\ / ( )
\ ^\/^ / Yeah Yeah! (.(.) S )
\ / \ /_ \ )
\ (-<>-) / \ /__) ^ \/
\ -- / ____ |
\ __ / )______ |
| | \ |
__-|__|-__ __-\__|-__
( ) ( )
|_| |_| |_| |_|
| | | | | | | |
:p
Daniel47
Jul 14, 2016, 9:44:35 AM7/14/16
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right (although the eyebrows are no great help!!) .... but did Spock
have a lisp?? Can't say I ever noticed!!
Daniel
Mike Easter
Jul 14, 2016, 10:03:28 AM7/14/16
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Daniel47 wrote:
> I'm guessing that's supposed to be Spock on the left and Kirk on the
> right (although the eyebrows are no great help!!) .... but did Spock
> have a lisp?? Can't say I ever noticed!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beavis_and_Butt-Head
> I'm guessing that's supposed to be Spock on the left and Kirk on the
> right (although the eyebrows are no great help!!) .... but did Spock
> have a lisp?? Can't say I ever noticed!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butt-Head lisp
--
Mike Easter
Daniel47
Jul 15, 2016, 7:17:28 AM7/15/16
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Daniel
Mike Easter
Jul 15, 2016, 11:14:51 AM7/15/16
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Daniel47 wrote:
> Ah!! O.K., never got involved with them!! :-[
Nor I.
> Ah!! O.K., never got involved with them!! :-[
--
Mike Easter
Pedro Valdez
Jul 15, 2016, 9:57:10 PM7/15/16
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On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 6:51:46 PM UTC+8, Daniel47 wrote:
>
> Which reminds me .... somewhere I have a printout (I think about 4 to 5
> ft long) done on a 50/75 baud (yes just 50/75 baud) TTY printer in about
> 1980, of the U.S.S. Enterprise, a la Star Trek. Different shadings
> achieved by using different letters and overprinting!
>
When I went to college in the 1970s, there was an "ASCII ART" nude woman.
>
> Which reminds me .... somewhere I have a printout (I think about 4 to 5
> ft long) done on a 50/75 baud (yes just 50/75 baud) TTY printer in about
> 1980, of the U.S.S. Enterprise, a la Star Trek. Different shadings
> achieved by using different letters and overprinting!
>
132 characters wide for the line printer. Quite a few nerdy fratboys
had it hanging on their wall.
Jasen Betts
Jul 16, 2016, 12:18:59 AM7/16/16
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http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=people/naked%20ladies
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This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software
HASM
Jul 16, 2016, 12:07:48 PM7/16/16
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>> When I went to college in the 1970s, there was an "ASCII ART" nude woman.
>> 132 characters wide for the line printer. Quite a few nerdy fratboys
>> had it hanging on their wall.
> possibly one of these.
> http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=people/naked%20ladies
such one program in a couple of hours long long ago.
I used to take pictures of visitors to our lab, a glorious 128x128, 8
bit greyscale image, and dump a two page printout with their pictures on
top and a year calendar on the bottom. Very popular.
I also wrote a blow up version, where I could generate a wall size
poster made up of several of those line printer pages, which looked
pretty darn good, even without any smoothing code.
-- HASM
HASM
Jul 16, 2016, 12:10:24 PM7/16/16
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>>> When I went to college in the 1970s, there was an "ASCII ART" nude woman.
>>> 132 characters wide for the line printer. Quite a few nerdy fratboys
>>> had it hanging on their wall.
>> possibly one of these.
>> http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=people/naked%20ladies
> Some of these were probably computer generated from pictures. I wrote
> such one program in a couple of hours long long ago.
same. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libcaca). And mplayer supports
playing movies via a libcaca driver.
-- HASM
Robert Newson
Jul 19, 2016, 12:54:29 PM7/19/16
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On 13/07/16 18:04, Mike Easter wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Daniel47 wrote:
>
>>> What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this
>>> picture?? (before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
>>
>> There are a lot of ascii art that you can just google and use, much
>> of it's done before terrible html mail.
>
> How about the 'massive' Star Wars Asciimation?
>
> http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
>
> How how is it done?
> The asciimation is achieved by displaying frames of ASCII text one after
> the other at a given rate. Each frame is a fixed number of characters
> wide by a fixed number of lines high. The frames are put together into a
> standard text f ile. That text file is then converted to a slightly
> different format and stored in compressed form. A player application
> simply reads each frame in sequence from the modified text file and
> displays it on the screen for a short period of time.
Years ago I had some ANSI files which displayed animation on terminals
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Daniel47 wrote:
>
>>> What poor sod had the time available to spend making up this
>>> picture?? (before my quoting it above stuffed things up!! :-( )
>>
>> There are a lot of ascii art that you can just google and use, much
>> of it's done before terrible html mail.
>
> How about the 'massive' Star Wars Asciimation?
>
> http://www.asciimation.co.nz/
>
> How how is it done?
> The asciimation is achieved by displaying frames of ASCII text one after
> the other at a given rate. Each frame is a fixed number of characters
> wide by a fixed number of lines high. The frames are put together into a
> standard text f ile. That text file is then converted to a slightly
> different format and stored in compressed form. A player application
> simply reads each frame in sequence from the modified text file and
> displays it on the screen for a short period of time.
that understood ANSI (eg VT100) escape codes. The animation basically
relied on repositioning the cursor back before redrawing more ASCII on
top. Looking at the files it was not obvious what the animation was,
but they were "good".
Bit Twister
Jul 19, 2016, 1:24:27 PM7/19/16
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:54:27 +0100, Robert Newson wrote:
>Years ago I had some ANSI files which displayed animation on terminals
> that understood ANSI (eg VT100) escape codes. The animation basically
> relied on repositioning the cursor back before redrawing more ASCII on
> top. Looking at the files it was not obvious what the animation was,
> but they were "good".
Yep, saw one for a colt 45 simi-automic hand gun firing.
>Years ago I had some ANSI files which displayed animation on terminals
> that understood ANSI (eg VT100) escape codes. The animation basically
> relied on repositioning the cursor back before redrawing more ASCII on
> top. Looking at the files it was not obvious what the animation was,
> but they were "good".
Some posibilities found at http://artscene.textfiles.com/vt100/
Ant
Jul 19, 2016, 4:39:13 PM7/19/16
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Robert Newson <noth...@bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku> wrote:
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though.
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> Years ago I had some ANSI files which displayed animation on terminals
> that understood ANSI (eg VT100) escape codes. The animation basically
> relied on repositioning the cursor back before redrawing more ASCII on
> top. Looking at the files it was not obvious what the animation was,
> but they were "good".
I miss those days. I remember using TheDraw too. I hated the ANSI music
> that understood ANSI (eg VT100) escape codes. The animation basically
> relied on repositioning the cursor back before redrawing more ASCII on
> top. Looking at the files it was not obvious what the animation was,
> but they were "good".
though.
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JohnF
Jul 21, 2016, 7:41:47 AM7/21/16
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"...terminal connected at 9600 baud. Many of these animations will
fly by at modern speeds, when they were meant to move much slower."
I wrote a very little program, see below, to solve that problem.
Download any of their files you want to play, e.g.,
http://artscene.textfiles.com/vt100/bambi.vt
and then run it with my program
./asciiplay bambi.vt
which defaults to 9600 baud, or for any other speed
./asciiplay bambi.vt 2400
etc. I noticed lots of them seem better to me at
slower-than-9600 speed. And just compile the program as
cc asciiplay.c -o asciiplay
Here's the program...
/* --- cut here --- */
#include <stdio.h>
#include <time.h>
#if !defined(BAUD)
#define BAUD 9600
#endif
int main ( int argc, char *argv[] ) {
FILE *fp = (argc<2? NULL : fopen(argv[1],"r"));
int baud = (argc<3? BAUD : atoi(argv[2]));
struct timespec delay = { 0L, 1000000000L/((long)baud) };
int fchar = 0;
if ( fp == NULL ) { printf("File not found\n"); goto end_of_job; }
while ( (fchar=fgetc(fp)) != EOF ) {
if ( nanosleep(&delay,NULL) != 0 ) break;
fputc(fchar,stdout); }
end_of_job: if ( fp != NULL ) fclose(fp);
return(0);
} /* --- end-of-function main() --- */
/* --- cut here --- */
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Markus Grob
Jul 25, 2016, 2:25:02 PM7/25/16
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JohnF wrote:
[nice script for watching vt100 arts]
Thank you. Tested and it works fine ;-)
Markus
[nice script for watching vt100 arts]
Thank you. Tested and it works fine ;-)
Markus
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