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Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 4:18:19 AM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:00:06 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
> Do you get it yet?
> iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.
The problem is far worse than trying to copy a Quick Voice
Lite recorded audio file to Linux.
Linux is child's play compared to trying to get a simple
voice recording app on the iPad to simply allow you to
save, edit, or share the recording with others.
On Linux that would be child's play.
On the iPad, with this touted QuickVoice Recorder Lite
app, it's actually impossible!
Yes, impossible!
This Quick Voice Lite app should never have been in the
App Store in the first place, mainly because the description
is a bold lie.
See, for example, what this forum thread says about it:
(Solved) - Any way to get files trapped in QuickVoice iPad app? Camera C. Kit maybe?
http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/any-way-to-get-files-trapped-in-quickvoice-ipad-app-camera-c-kit-maybe
Turns out, they *PLAYED* the files, and then re-recorded the audio,
and only then, could they get the files off the iPad!
You'll note that someone commented in that thread that they learned
the same "lesson" that I did, about thinking that you "get" access
to your own audio files:
"It seemed so stupid. Impossible even. As in, "Of course you can GET them,
silly - it's entire FUNCTION is audio files... surely they'd mention the
majority of its 'features' only applying to 30 second clips? They'd HAVE to!"
Well, as Mike Brady said, I've learned a valuable lesson."
How this malware got into the Apple store is beyond me.
You can't even transfer the files via iTunes, according
to this article:
http://download.cnet.com/QuickVoice-Recorder-for-iPhone/3000-2141_4-10875097.html
"Quick Voice Recorder has a very limited audience in its free iteration because
it really just retreads the same basic functions of a built-in iOS app.
While it does have more screen real estate and it is easier to navigate
your recordings, the same limits apply, including the size of your file
when sending by e-mail. With the added issue of not being able to transfer
files through iTunes, many users will be immediately frustrated when
trying to get large recordings off their phone."
You could blame me for falling for the lies in the product description
at the Apple Store, but at least I'm not the only one who fell for it:
See this:
"Allows you to make quick recordings to your iPad, but unless the
recordings are EXTREMELY short, they're going to be stuck in the
app forever! You can't email/sync/text or in any other way transfer
the files to your computer or any other device."
And this:
"The recording quality is excellent but unfortunately once you
record something over 5MB, you can’t do anything with it.
When I realized this, I clicked on the upgrade gear figuring
that if I paid 2.99, it would unlock the program and I would
be able to send or sync the records. Sadly, that was not the
case as it just loaded another app called Quickvoice Pro onto
my phone. There does not seem to be a way to transfer or”sync”
the recordings to my mac, and if there is, the developer should
make that process clear. I am now stuck with a bunch of recordings
that are important but useless."
Both those reviews are here, but the point is that the MARKETING
guys scammed us. Yes, I was a fool. But I'm not the only fool
who was scammed by this app, which shouldn't even *be* in the
App store!
http://iosreviews.net/quickvoice-recorder-phenomenally-useless-app-review4197825
> Do you get it yet?
> iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.
The problem is far worse than trying to copy a Quick Voice
Lite recorded audio file to Linux.
Linux is child's play compared to trying to get a simple
voice recording app on the iPad to simply allow you to
save, edit, or share the recording with others.
On Linux that would be child's play.
On the iPad, with this touted QuickVoice Recorder Lite
app, it's actually impossible!
Yes, impossible!
This Quick Voice Lite app should never have been in the
App Store in the first place, mainly because the description
is a bold lie.
See, for example, what this forum thread says about it:
(Solved) - Any way to get files trapped in QuickVoice iPad app? Camera C. Kit maybe?
http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/any-way-to-get-files-trapped-in-quickvoice-ipad-app-camera-c-kit-maybe
Turns out, they *PLAYED* the files, and then re-recorded the audio,
and only then, could they get the files off the iPad!
You'll note that someone commented in that thread that they learned
the same "lesson" that I did, about thinking that you "get" access
to your own audio files:
"It seemed so stupid. Impossible even. As in, "Of course you can GET them,
silly - it's entire FUNCTION is audio files... surely they'd mention the
majority of its 'features' only applying to 30 second clips? They'd HAVE to!"
Well, as Mike Brady said, I've learned a valuable lesson."
How this malware got into the Apple store is beyond me.
You can't even transfer the files via iTunes, according
to this article:
http://download.cnet.com/QuickVoice-Recorder-for-iPhone/3000-2141_4-10875097.html
"Quick Voice Recorder has a very limited audience in its free iteration because
it really just retreads the same basic functions of a built-in iOS app.
While it does have more screen real estate and it is easier to navigate
your recordings, the same limits apply, including the size of your file
when sending by e-mail. With the added issue of not being able to transfer
files through iTunes, many users will be immediately frustrated when
trying to get large recordings off their phone."
You could blame me for falling for the lies in the product description
at the Apple Store, but at least I'm not the only one who fell for it:
See this:
"Allows you to make quick recordings to your iPad, but unless the
recordings are EXTREMELY short, they're going to be stuck in the
app forever! You can't email/sync/text or in any other way transfer
the files to your computer or any other device."
And this:
"The recording quality is excellent but unfortunately once you
record something over 5MB, you can’t do anything with it.
When I realized this, I clicked on the upgrade gear figuring
that if I paid 2.99, it would unlock the program and I would
be able to send or sync the records. Sadly, that was not the
case as it just loaded another app called Quickvoice Pro onto
my phone. There does not seem to be a way to transfer or”sync”
the recordings to my mac, and if there is, the developer should
make that process clear. I am now stuck with a bunch of recordings
that are important but useless."
Both those reviews are here, but the point is that the MARKETING
guys scammed us. Yes, I was a fool. But I'm not the only fool
who was scammed by this app, which shouldn't even *be* in the
App store!
http://iosreviews.net/quickvoice-recorder-phenomenally-useless-app-review4197825
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 4:23:17 AM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:05:10 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
> You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.
How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.
Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software.
Even the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
(according to the reviews).
Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.
My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
*can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!
> You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.
How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.
Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software.
Even the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
(according to the reviews).
Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.
My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
*can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!
David Taylor
Jun 2, 2014, 4:47:47 AM6/2/14
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support group. Thanks.
--
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
TJ
Jun 2, 2014, 11:05:59 AM6/2/14
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On 06/02/2014 04:18 AM, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:00:06 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Do you get it yet?
>> iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.
>
> The problem is far worse than trying to copy a Quick Voice
> Lite recorded audio file to Linux.
>
> Linux is child's play compared to trying to get a simple
> voice recording app on the iPad to simply allow you to
> save, edit, or share the recording with others.
>
> On Linux that would be child's play.
> On the iPad, with this touted QuickVoice Recorder Lite
> app, it's actually impossible!
>
> Yes, impossible!
>
> This Quick Voice Lite app should never have been in the
> App Store in the first place, mainly because the description
> is a bold lie.
>
I come to this thread late, and I know nothing of the iPad, but from
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:00:06 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Do you get it yet?
>> iOS devices and apps are not designed with Linux in mind.
>
> The problem is far worse than trying to copy a Quick Voice
> Lite recorded audio file to Linux.
>
> Linux is child's play compared to trying to get a simple
> voice recording app on the iPad to simply allow you to
> save, edit, or share the recording with others.
>
> On Linux that would be child's play.
> On the iPad, with this touted QuickVoice Recorder Lite
> app, it's actually impossible!
>
> Yes, impossible!
>
> This Quick Voice Lite app should never have been in the
> App Store in the first place, mainly because the description
> is a bold lie.
>
observing most things iPad from afar, the "Lite" part of the app's name
should have given you a clue.
The apparently-crippled "Lite" version is free, right? My guess would be
that it's a teaser version, designed to do just enough to get you to
shell out some cash for the full-featured version - the one that will do
what you want to do, but isn't free.
TJ
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 11:25:37 AM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:05:59 -0400, TJ wrote:
> I come to this thread late, and I know nothing of the iPad, but from
> observing most things iPad from afar, the "Lite" part of the app's name
> should have given you a clue.
I agree. The Lite part meant, in this particular case, that the
> I come to this thread late, and I know nothing of the iPad, but from
> observing most things iPad from afar, the "Lite" part of the app's name
> should have given you a clue.
limitations were severe; however, if you read the reviews, you notice
that the description doesn't explain these severe flaws at all.
> The apparently-crippled "Lite" version is free, right?
similar flaws. In fact, multiple reviews I found yesterday said
that the non-Lite version only allowed a partial reprieve from
the flaws.
> My guess would be that it's a teaser version, designed to do
> just enough to get you to shell out some cash for the full-featured
> version - the one that will do what you want to do, but isn't free.
software company (NFinity) blatantly left out the pertinent information
from the description.
It turns out that if you haven't actually been burned by the assumptions
anyone would make about a voice-recording software package, you'd
not even notice that the critical items are left out.
But, once you've been burned by Nfinity Quick Voice Recorder Lite,
you'll then realize:
a) The recordings can never be removed from the program,
b) The recordings will be deleted automatically by the program,
c) If you delete the program, it will still delete your recordings,
d) If you pay a few bucks, you get back only *some* of your recordings,
e) You can't use iTunes to back up the recordings,
f) You must use an additional NFinity app, which works off an iTunes backup
f) You can't make an iTunes backup on Linux, but, even if you could ...
g) Some reviewers said that even that software refused to pull out your
files from the iTunes backup.
So, in essence, this QuickVoice Recorder software is utter garbage.
Why Apple allows it in the App store is beyond me.
Anyway, I have my solution.
I will play the recordings, in real time, on the iPad, and
re-record them using the microphone on my Android phone.
Once the recordings are in Android, then all the flaws listed
above disappear!
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 11:49:07 AM6/2/14
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In article
<eaa83$538c3475$43da7656$25...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
> Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
> Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software.
> Even the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
> (according to the reviews).
it works.
> Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.
what's built in works just fine and syncs just fine.
> My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
> and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
> *can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
>
> Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!
it's not the ipad that's crazy.
<eaa83$538c3475$43da7656$25...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.
>
> How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
> a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
> who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
>
> That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
> other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
> to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.
those systems aren't sandboxed.
> > You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported systems.
>
> How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
> a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
> who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
>
> That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
> other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
> to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.
> Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
> Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software.
> Even the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
> (according to the reviews).
> Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.
> My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
> and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
> *can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
>
> Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!
John Doe
Jun 2, 2014, 1:53:23 PM6/2/14
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David Taylor <david-taylor blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> Liam O'Connor wrote:
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported
>>> systems.
>>
>> How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
>> a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
>> who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
>>
>> That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
>> other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
>> to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.
>>
>> Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
>> Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software. Even
>> the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
>> (according to the reviews).
>>
>> Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.
>>
>> My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
>> and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
>> *can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
>>
>> Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!
>
> Please remove comp.mobile.android from your posts. This is not
> an iPad support group.
No, please keep all the groups included. This is the reason I
wouldn't consider an Apple product when I bought a tablet. I'm
enjoying the discussion.
If it were my Android... I would use Windows Explorer and find the
file on the SD card. Apparently searching doesn't work, but
browsing works well enough.
> Liam O'Connor wrote:
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> You are trying to do stuff on incompatible and unsupported
>>> systems.
>>
>> How can you say that when all I'm trying to do is save or edit
>> a file of my kid singing, and share that file with my wife,
>> who, also happens to be, on an iPad.
>>
>> That simplest of all file sharing (which works just fine on all
>> other plaforms, including Linux) has been proven in this thread
>> to be impossible with this software on these iOS7.1.1 iPads.
>>
>> Even rooting/jailbreaking the iPad won't solve this problem.
>> Even iTunes on Windows/Mac won't work with this software. Even
>> the "special" software from the app supplier won't work
>> (according to the reviews).
>>
>> Worse yet, the iPad doesn't come with anything better built in.
>>
>> My *only* solution is to play the HOURS of audio, real time,
>> and then record them on my Android phone, so that I finally
>> *can* simply save, edit, and share the MP3 files.
>>
>> Wow. The iPad use model sure *is* crazy!
>
> Please remove comp.mobile.android from your posts. This is not
> an iPad support group.
wouldn't consider an Apple product when I bought a tablet. I'm
enjoying the discussion.
If it were my Android... I would use Windows Explorer and find the
file on the SD card. Apparently searching doesn't work, but
browsing works well enough.
John Doe
Jun 2, 2014, 1:55:05 PM6/2/14
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"it's not the ipad that's crazy"
It's Apple fanboys like this thing that are crazy...
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nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 3:10:31 PM6/2/14
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In article <lmidmj$286$1...@dont-email.me>, John Doe
without the user doing anything.
he's making things *way* more complicated than they need to be.
<jd...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> > Please remove comp.mobile.android from your posts. This is not
> > an iPad support group.
>
> No, please keep all the groups included. This is the reason I
> wouldn't consider an Apple product when I bought a tablet. I'm
> enjoying the discussion.
>
> If it were my Android... I would use Windows Explorer and find the
> file on the SD card. Apparently searching doesn't work, but
> browsing works well enough.
no need to do that on an ipad. it's automatically saved and synced
> > Please remove comp.mobile.android from your posts. This is not
> > an iPad support group.
>
> No, please keep all the groups included. This is the reason I
> wouldn't consider an Apple product when I bought a tablet. I'm
> enjoying the discussion.
>
> If it were my Android... I would use Windows Explorer and find the
> file on the SD card. Apparently searching doesn't work, but
> browsing works well enough.
without the user doing anything.
he's making things *way* more complicated than they need to be.
Todd Allcock
Jun 2, 2014, 3:32:06 PM6/2/14
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wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
users face, *unless the app developer made sharing/backup part of the
app.*
It's all about the design of the app- 40 bazillion audio recording apps
in the market, and the OP chose one that seems to trick users into paying
for their extraction ransomware. Caveat emptor. I've tried several audio
recorders on my devices, and eventually chose one that automatically
backs up all recorded files to the cloud just to avoid any potential
problems like the OP is having.
William Unruh
Jun 2, 2014, 3:43:08 PM6/2/14
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possible, but you also offer absolutely no help to him as to how he
could do it. Makes us all suspect that you are simply a shill.
Your hiding behind an anonymous name and address makes us even more
suspicious of you.
Could you please provide step by step instructions as to how he can
transfer his long QuickVoice audio recordings out of his Ipad to another
computer.
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 4:21:41 PM6/2/14
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In article <lmik4c$o4l$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
> Could you please provide step by step instructions as to how he can
> transfer his long QuickVoice audio recordings out of his Ipad to another
> computer.
read the app description.
but since you're not paying attention, here it is again:
sync with itunes and then use the developer's companion app to access
the audio files. done. it's trivial.
although another app would be even easier, and i explained how to do
that too.
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> If it were my Android... I would use Windows Explorer and find the
> >> file on the SD card. Apparently searching doesn't work, but
> >> browsing works well enough.
> >
> > no need to do that on an ipad. it's automatically saved and synced
> > without the user doing anything.
> >
> > he's making things *way* more complicated than they need to be.
>
> I notice that you keep interjecting comments that what he wants to do IS
> possible, but you also offer absolutely no help to him as to how he
> could do it. Makes us all suspect that you are simply a shill.
> Your hiding behind an anonymous name and address makes us even more
> suspicious of you.
i've explained it multiple times.
> >> If it were my Android... I would use Windows Explorer and find the
> >> file on the SD card. Apparently searching doesn't work, but
> >> browsing works well enough.
> >
> > no need to do that on an ipad. it's automatically saved and synced
> > without the user doing anything.
> >
> > he's making things *way* more complicated than they need to be.
>
> I notice that you keep interjecting comments that what he wants to do IS
> possible, but you also offer absolutely no help to him as to how he
> could do it. Makes us all suspect that you are simply a shill.
> Your hiding behind an anonymous name and address makes us even more
> suspicious of you.
> Could you please provide step by step instructions as to how he can
> transfer his long QuickVoice audio recordings out of his Ipad to another
> computer.
but since you're not paying attention, here it is again:
sync with itunes and then use the developer's companion app to access
the audio files. done. it's trivial.
although another app would be even easier, and i explained how to do
that too.
John Doe
Jun 2, 2014, 4:40:10 PM6/2/14
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problem as Apple users if only I weren't smart enough to have
bought an Android tablet with an SD card slot?
TJ
Jun 2, 2014, 4:41:18 PM6/2/14
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Perhaps nospam thinks if he says it often enough, Liam will break down.
iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
what his real goals are than I would have.
TJ
TJ
Jun 2, 2014, 4:54:15 PM6/2/14
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carefully *before* installing the software.
If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
TJ
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 5:06:23 PM6/2/14
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In article <lmio9o$spa$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
wrote:
> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
wrote:
> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 5:06:24 PM6/2/14
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In article <lminhf$n33$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
wrote:
> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
> what his real goals are than I would have.
his goals are to make it complicated.
anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
about and for much of it, completely automatically.
wrote:
> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
> what his real goals are than I would have.
anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
about and for much of it, completely automatically.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 5:16:41 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:54:15 -0400, TJ wrote:
> Sounds to me like you should start checking out the reviews more
> carefully *before* installing the software.
Indeed! :)
> Sounds to me like you should start checking out the reviews more
> carefully *before* installing the software.
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 5:58:07 PM6/2/14
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On 2014-06-02, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
every chance he gets, despite the fact that normal iPad users do all the
things he finds impossible with relative ease.
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other apple products because they're supposedly non-standard, which
would rule out ordinary speakers. except that's completely false.
as is typical with these types of claims, they apply to products
*other* than apple, such as android devices that actually don't have a
standard 3.5mm headphone jack and require an adapter to use standard
headphones or speakers.
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG0686818>
<jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
> >> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
> >> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
> >
> > of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
>
> Probably because they believe the falsehoods the Liam troll keeps saying
> every chance he gets, despite the fact that normal iPad users do all the
> things he finds impossible with relative ease.
i suspect it's the ludicrous myth that apple products can only talk to
> >
> >> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
> >> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
> >> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
> >
> > of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
>
> Probably because they believe the falsehoods the Liam troll keeps saying
> every chance he gets, despite the fact that normal iPad users do all the
> things he finds impossible with relative ease.
other apple products because they're supposedly non-standard, which
would rule out ordinary speakers. except that's completely false.
as is typical with these types of claims, they apply to products
*other* than apple, such as android devices that actually don't have a
standard 3.5mm headphone jack and require an adapter to use standard
headphones or speakers.
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG0686818>
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 6:49:08 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 17:06:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
> it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
Actually, once I got the imobiledevice library working, the
> it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
bidirectional drag-and-drop transfer of large video files
worked just fine.
I'm not complaining one bit about that.
That's working perfectly. The way it should.
Freedom for bidirectional transfer of data files at will
is the only thing I want, really.
It's just that QuickVoice Recorder happens to store its
audio files in a private directory, which, even for
normal iTunes users, appears to be hugely problematic
based on the reviews quoted.
So, I agree. It's my fault for choosing this particular
app (I was swayed by the NYT reporter's endorsement).
Mea culpa.
What I will do, to rectify, is blow away the Nfinity
product, after I've recovered my data from it.
Thanks for all the help and advice!
I'm sorry I had to learn what you already knew, but,
now I know where the audio files are.
Peter Köhlmann
Jun 2, 2014, 7:01:35 PM6/2/14
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Typical. Apple-fanbois are unable to read or understand simple conecpts.
Dirt is real smart compared to a apple shitstain
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 7:29:08 PM6/2/14
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On 2014-06-02, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 17:06:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>
> Actually, once I got the imobiledevice library working, the
> bidirectional drag-and-drop transfer of large video files
> worked just fine.
>
> I'm not complaining one bit about that.
Bullshit. Any idiot can read the history of your postings on the subject
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 17:06:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>
> Actually, once I got the imobiledevice library working, the
> bidirectional drag-and-drop transfer of large video files
> worked just fine.
>
> I'm not complaining one bit about that.
and see that you have complained (often incorrectly, even after being
shown you are wrong) at every step of the way.
nospam
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such as locking up your computer.
> I'm not complaining one bit about that.
> That's working perfectly. The way it should.
>
> Freedom for bidirectional transfer of data files at will
> is the only thing I want, really.
a number of apps support that, through itunes.
> It's just that QuickVoice Recorder happens to store its
> audio files in a private directory, which, even for
> normal iTunes users, appears to be hugely problematic
> based on the reviews quoted.
actually it isn't that much of a problem but you can always use a
different app.
<ec765$538cff64$43da7656$29...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
> > about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>
> Actually, once I got the imobiledevice library working, the
> bidirectional drag-and-drop transfer of large video files
> worked just fine.
only for third party apps which don't use a database and with issues
> > it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
> > about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>
> Actually, once I got the imobiledevice library working, the
> bidirectional drag-and-drop transfer of large video files
> worked just fine.
such as locking up your computer.
> I'm not complaining one bit about that.
> That's working perfectly. The way it should.
>
> Freedom for bidirectional transfer of data files at will
> is the only thing I want, really.
> It's just that QuickVoice Recorder happens to store its
> audio files in a private directory, which, even for
> normal iTunes users, appears to be hugely problematic
> based on the reviews quoted.
different app.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 8:06:30 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:32:06 -0600, Todd Allcock wrote:
> Unless, of course, the device didn't have an SD card (e.g. Nexus), and
> wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
> Unless, of course, the device didn't have an SD card (e.g. Nexus), and
> wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
> users face, *unless the app developer made sharing/backup part of the
> app.*
I think my main "issues" have been that on all other platforms,
> app.*
transferring voice-recorder files just worked, so, well, um,
er, well, I had simply expected the same or similar of the iPad.
In reality, that was my mistake.
For example, on my two year old Samsung Galaxy S3, I've had the 40KB
default "Voice Recorder, version 0.1" since day 1, and it just works.
As noted in this article, you just hook a USB cable and transfer
the audio files. It's so easy, you don't even think about it:
http://www.el33tonline.com/post/2012/09/05/samsung_smart_tips_travelling_light
The key sentence in that article is:
"Transferring the recordings from my S3 to my laptop was easy
using the standard USB cable."
Here's another article, which also devotes only a single sentence
to the process of transferring files from Android to the computer:
http://blogyourearth.com/en/smartphone-2/samsung-galaxy-s3-voice-recorder-3ga-file-to-mp3/4045
The key sentence in that article is:
"You can use the provided USB cable to connect your SGS3 with a PC.
The voice records are in the folder Phone/Sounds/".
The point is that, for the past two years, transferring audio files
from my Android Voice Recorder to my computing platform was so easy
that I never occurred to me that there would be any other use model!
Mea culpa!
Since it was so trivially easy to transfer these 3GP Voice Recorder
files from Android to any platform, I had just *assumed* it would
be just as easy (or even easier) for my iOS7.1.1. iPad.
That, in a nutshell, was really, my real mistake.
I had assumed the iPad would have a similar use model.
My assumptions were wrong. It's nobody's fault, but mine.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 8:15:26 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 20:40:10 +0000, John Doe wrote:
> Are you trying to say that I would be experiencing the same
> problem as Apple users if only I weren't smart enough to have
> bought an Android tablet with an SD card slot?
I'm not sure what the person you were responding to meant,
> Are you trying to say that I would be experiencing the same
> problem as Apple users if only I weren't smart enough to have
> bought an Android tablet with an SD card slot?
but, my Samsung Galaxy S3 has a 32 GB SD card, but, even
so, it's trivially easy to transfer voice recorder files
from the Android phone to the Linux (or Windows) laptop
(and vice versa).
It's so easy, it just works, so, you don't even think that
it would be any other way.
But, the iPad use model, as I found out belatedly in this
thread, is apparently, totally different.
So, the issue is more of use model than hardware capabilities.
My iPad mistake was in *assuming* that my data files would be
as easily accessible to me on the iPad as they have been
for the past two years on Android.
The iOS app I had (errantly) chosen, actually holds the data
ransom, and, truth be told, makes it absolutely miserable
even for iTunes users to access their files, as compared
to the Android use model.
Even so, I need to overcome this deficiency if I am ever
to make any use of my voice records made on the iPad
(whose hardware is stellar, and as good or better than my
Samsung Galaxy S3).
To solve this problem ...
What I simply need to find is a freeware iPad voice-recorder
application that just puts the audio files into a data folder
that is accessible to the user.
Once I find *that* voice-recorder application, it will be
as simple on iOS as it is on Android to transfer saved
audio files bidirectionally between the mobile device
and the computer.
That is the only goal here.
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 8:18:58 PM6/2/14
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On 2014-06-03, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:32:06 -0600, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> Unless, of course, the device didn't have an SD card (e.g. Nexus), and
>> wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
>> users face, *unless the app developer made sharing/backup part of the
>> app.*
>
> I think my main "issues" have been that on all other platforms,
> transferring voice-recorder files just worked, so, well, um,
> er, well, I had simply expected the same or similar of the iPad.
It works even better on the iPad when used with supported operating
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:32:06 -0600, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> Unless, of course, the device didn't have an SD card (e.g. Nexus), and
>> wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
>> users face, *unless the app developer made sharing/backup part of the
>> app.*
>
> I think my main "issues" have been that on all other platforms,
> transferring voice-recorder files just worked, so, well, um,
> er, well, I had simply expected the same or similar of the iPad.
systems and software. You refuse to acknowledge this, and instead sling
thinly-veiled troll "complaints" about your made-up problems that no
other iPad user has, because they use it as designed. And those of us
who know more about these things than you can see right through you.
John Doe
Jun 2, 2014, 8:38:10 PM6/2/14
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Regular troll...
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> Subject: Re: Where does QuickVoice Recorder free store its audio files?
> Date: 2 Jun 2014 23:29:08 GMT
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 15:10:39 -0400, nospam wrote:
> there are over 1.2 million apps on the app store. some of them are not
> as good as others. you *are* going to find a number of duds, especially
> if you restrict yourself to free apps.
Hi nospam,
I don't disagree with you there, as I'm pretty good with freeware,
having exclusively used freeware since, oh, I don't know, about
the mid 1990s or so (on Windows platforms at first, and then on
Linux).
The problem here was that it had never occurred to me that a
simple voice-recorder app would (in essence) hide its files
from a simple USB transfer.
Bear in mind, the default voice-recorder app on my Samsung Galaxy
S3 had no problem with transferring the files bidirectionally
to and from Windows and Linux.
It just worked.
So, I had expected the same of the iPad (or even better since
I had assumed the iPad use model was simplified).
It turns out that this "private" space within an iPad app is
a sneaky way for a company to "lock" you in to their marketing
plans, which is something, you must know, that I rebel against.
So, what I need now is simply a free voice recorder app on
iOS7 that *will* store the files in the public Documents folder
of that app so that it is accessible for bidirectional USB
transfer.
Here is a screenshot of all my apps on my iPad as of today
(it's a single screen because I always organize my files)
http://oi58.tinypic.com/152hnix.jpg
For some reason, I can't find that 'default' voice recorder
app you're talking about on my iPad Air, iOS 7.1.1.
> there are over 1.2 million apps on the app store. some of them are not
> as good as others. you *are* going to find a number of duds, especially
> if you restrict yourself to free apps.
Hi nospam,
I don't disagree with you there, as I'm pretty good with freeware,
having exclusively used freeware since, oh, I don't know, about
the mid 1990s or so (on Windows platforms at first, and then on
Linux).
The problem here was that it had never occurred to me that a
simple voice-recorder app would (in essence) hide its files
from a simple USB transfer.
Bear in mind, the default voice-recorder app on my Samsung Galaxy
S3 had no problem with transferring the files bidirectionally
to and from Windows and Linux.
It just worked.
So, I had expected the same of the iPad (or even better since
I had assumed the iPad use model was simplified).
It turns out that this "private" space within an iPad app is
a sneaky way for a company to "lock" you in to their marketing
plans, which is something, you must know, that I rebel against.
So, what I need now is simply a free voice recorder app on
iOS7 that *will* store the files in the public Documents folder
of that app so that it is accessible for bidirectional USB
transfer.
Here is a screenshot of all my apps on my iPad as of today
(it's a single screen because I always organize my files)
http://oi58.tinypic.com/152hnix.jpg
For some reason, I can't find that 'default' voice recorder
app you're talking about on my iPad Air, iOS 7.1.1.
nospam
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in fact, in many cases, user does not need to do *anything* at all,
which is how it should be.
> In reality, that was my mistake.
your mistake is trying to do things the hard way.
at best it's going to be quite a bit more convoluted and at worst, not
possible.
<4c0ae$538d1186$43da7656$29...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > Unless, of course, the device didn't have an SD card (e.g. Nexus), and
> > wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
> > users face, *unless the app developer made sharing/backup part of the
> > app.*
>
> I think my main "issues" have been that on all other platforms,
> transferring voice-recorder files just worked, so, well, um,
> er, well, I had simply expected the same or similar of the iPad.
it does just work on the ipad.
> > Unless, of course, the device didn't have an SD card (e.g. Nexus), and
> > wasn't jailbroken, then you'd be fighting the same sandboxing problem iOS
> > users face, *unless the app developer made sharing/backup part of the
> > app.*
>
> I think my main "issues" have been that on all other platforms,
> transferring voice-recorder files just worked, so, well, um,
> er, well, I had simply expected the same or similar of the iPad.
in fact, in many cases, user does not need to do *anything* at all,
which is how it should be.
> In reality, that was my mistake.
at best it's going to be quite a bit more convoluted and at worst, not
possible.
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 8:44:41 PM6/2/14
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standard syncing mechanism.
> It turns out that this "private" space within an iPad app is
> a sneaky way for a company to "lock" you in to their marketing
> plans, which is something, you must know, that I rebel against.
no it isn't.
the private space is the app's sandbox which will not affect any other
apps.
<1e2d4$538d197e$43da7656$29...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> Bear in mind, the default voice-recorder app on my Samsung Galaxy
> S3 had no problem with transferring the files bidirectionally
> to and from Windows and Linux.
>
> It just worked.
>
> So, I had expected the same of the iPad (or even better since
> I had assumed the iPad use model was simplified).
it does just work, you just picked a bum app and are not using the
> Bear in mind, the default voice-recorder app on my Samsung Galaxy
> S3 had no problem with transferring the files bidirectionally
> to and from Windows and Linux.
>
> It just worked.
>
> So, I had expected the same of the iPad (or even better since
> I had assumed the iPad use model was simplified).
standard syncing mechanism.
> It turns out that this "private" space within an iPad app is
> a sneaky way for a company to "lock" you in to their marketing
> plans, which is something, you must know, that I rebel against.
the private space is the app's sandbox which will not affect any other
apps.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 8:55:04 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 22:09:15 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> A dummy tries to use an iPad with an unsupported operating system and
> unsupported software, and then turns around and trolls the iPad news
> group by making pissy, little false claims about the iPad, Apple, and
> Apple users.
I've been using Android for two years, and transferring audio files
bidirectionally between the phone and the computer just works.
On the iPad, I was shocked, at first, that, with Quick Voice recorder:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quickvoice-recorder/id284675296?mt=8
It doesn't just work.
So, I had asked *where* the QuickVoice Recorder files are stored.
It turns out LOTs (and lots and lots and lots and lots) of Apple
users have been frustrated trying to transfer files using this
particular Nfinity voice recorder app.
Here is what Apple support forums have to say about it:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948
One telling line in that forum thread is the following:
"Add me to the growing list* of frustrated QuickVoice users who
have the same problem."
But, there are plenty of other threads, with the same complaint:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12044317#12044317
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1906868?start=15&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12081165#12081165
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948?start=30&tstart=0
etc.
I've come to realize, belatedly, that the problem isn't that I'm
on Linux. The problem is that this Nfinity app is just a bad app,
but, interestingly, it's reputedly the most common voice recorder
app on iOS!
Take a look, for example, at what this site says about it:
http://www.ogbongeblog.com/2011/12/how-to-transfer-quickvoice-files-from.html
"QuickVoice is the most popular, full-featured iPhone/iPad/iPod
voice recorder available... You can download Quickvoice free from
App Store but the problem most users do face is the inability to
sync Quickvoice app recordings with computer.
If you connect your iPad to iTunes, click on the Application tab,
you will not see the Quickvoice app, talkless of seeing Quickvoice
files available for syncing."
So, you see, Jolly Roger, the problem has nothing to do with the
fact I'm on Linux. The problem is that the most popular voice
recorder app has a supremely flawed use model.
Why the users put up with this flawed use model is well beyond
my comprehension, but, I, for one, will delete it as soon as
I recover my audio files.
> A dummy tries to use an iPad with an unsupported operating system and
> unsupported software, and then turns around and trolls the iPad news
> group by making pissy, little false claims about the iPad, Apple, and
> Apple users.
I've been using Android for two years, and transferring audio files
bidirectionally between the phone and the computer just works.
On the iPad, I was shocked, at first, that, with Quick Voice recorder:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quickvoice-recorder/id284675296?mt=8
It doesn't just work.
So, I had asked *where* the QuickVoice Recorder files are stored.
It turns out LOTs (and lots and lots and lots and lots) of Apple
users have been frustrated trying to transfer files using this
particular Nfinity voice recorder app.
Here is what Apple support forums have to say about it:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948
One telling line in that forum thread is the following:
"Add me to the growing list* of frustrated QuickVoice users who
have the same problem."
But, there are plenty of other threads, with the same complaint:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12044317#12044317
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1906868?start=15&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12081165#12081165
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948?start=30&tstart=0
etc.
I've come to realize, belatedly, that the problem isn't that I'm
on Linux. The problem is that this Nfinity app is just a bad app,
but, interestingly, it's reputedly the most common voice recorder
app on iOS!
Take a look, for example, at what this site says about it:
http://www.ogbongeblog.com/2011/12/how-to-transfer-quickvoice-files-from.html
"QuickVoice is the most popular, full-featured iPhone/iPad/iPod
voice recorder available... You can download Quickvoice free from
App Store but the problem most users do face is the inability to
sync Quickvoice app recordings with computer.
If you connect your iPad to iTunes, click on the Application tab,
you will not see the Quickvoice app, talkless of seeing Quickvoice
files available for syncing."
So, you see, Jolly Roger, the problem has nothing to do with the
fact I'm on Linux. The problem is that the most popular voice
recorder app has a supremely flawed use model.
Why the users put up with this flawed use model is well beyond
my comprehension, but, I, for one, will delete it as soon as
I recover my audio files.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 8:57:37 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:29:08 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Bullshit. Any idiot can read the history of your postings on the subject
> and see that you have complained (often incorrectly, even after being
> shown you are wrong) at every step of the way.
Jolly Roger.
> Bullshit. Any idiot can read the history of your postings on the subject
> and see that you have complained (often incorrectly, even after being
> shown you are wrong) at every step of the way.
Take a look at *these* articles, all from iTunes users on supported
platform.
Why are they all complaining about the same thing?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12044317#12044317
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1906868?start=15&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12081165#12081165
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948?start=30&tstart=0
etc.
This is probably the most telling quote, from Apple users, to
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1906868?start=15&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12081165#12081165
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948?start=30&tstart=0
etc.
Apple users:
http://www.ogbongeblog.com/2011/12/how-to-transfer-quickvoice-files-from.html
"QuickVoice is the most popular, full-featured iPhone/iPad/iPod
voice recorder available... You can download Quickvoice free from
App Store but the problem most users do face is the inability to
sync Quickvoice app recordings with computer.
If you connect your iPad to iTunes, click on the Application tab,
you will not see the Quickvoice app, talkless of seeing Quickvoice
files available for syncing."
my comprehension; but, I, for one, will delete this app as soon
as I recover my audio files onto my Android phone, and then transfer
the results to my Linux laptop for further processing.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 9:00:56 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 19:43:54 -0400, nospam wrote:
> only for third party apps which don't use a database and with issues
> such as locking up your computer.
It is true that the Linux imobiledevice library on Ubuntu 13.10
> only for third party apps which don't use a database and with issues
> such as locking up your computer.
is pretty flaky. I found out later that it didn't actually lock up
the operating system (because media would still play in the background);
but it did lock up the Nautilus desktop such that I had to reboot,
even when I unmounted as gracefully as humanly possible.
So, Linux is no picnic sometimes.
By way of comparison, the MTP device library for Android
is working fine on Linux and on Windows.
But, to be fair, I had a devil of a time getting MTP to work
for Android on Redhat/Centos 6, so, again, the flavor of Linux
matters.
But, on Ubuntu 13.10, the Android bidirectional file transfer
from either the phone or the sdcard is a dream come true.
It just works!
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 9:09:06 PM6/2/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 00:18:58 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> It works even better on the iPad when used with supported operating
> systems and software. You refuse to acknowledge this
Actually, you apparently refuse to acknowledge these references,
> It works even better on the iPad when used with supported operating
> systems and software. You refuse to acknowledge this
all of which show that Apple users have been frustrated by this
app for years - yet - it's still the most popular voice recorder
app for iOS!
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12044317#12044317
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1906868?start=15&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12081165#12081165
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2452948?start=30&tstart=0
etc.
Here is a youtube tutorial, from a typical iOS user, for how to
transfer audio files from QuickVoice to the computer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCGcPsWmwZQ
Notice this user resorted to a program called "Disk Aid" in
order to obtain the files off his iPad mini.
Now, I ask, why didn't he just use iTunes?
The answer is that iTunes doesn't work with these files.
Anyway, the fact I can't use iTunes on Linux isn't the problem
here, so, your argument is specious. The real problem, as others
have said, is that this most popular of iPad apps for voice
recordings has a severely flawed use model.
It's really no more complicated than that.
What we need to find is a simple voice recorder that simply
saves its audio files in a "Documents" folder accessible to
the user.
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 9:16:49 PM6/2/14
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On 2014-06-03, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:29:08 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. Any idiot can read the history of your postings on the subject
>> and see that you have complained (often incorrectly, even after being
>> shown you are wrong) at every step of the way.
[bunch of new complaints unrelated to this sub-thread deleted]
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:29:08 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Bullshit. Any idiot can read the history of your postings on the subject
>> and see that you have complained (often incorrectly, even after being
>> shown you are wrong) at every step of the way.
Again, anyone can see your history of "not complaining".
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 9:17:31 PM6/2/14
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On 2014-06-03, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 19:43:54 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> only for third party apps which don't use a database and with issues
>> such as locking up your computer.
>
> It is true that the Linux imobiledevice library on Ubuntu 13.10
> is pretty flaky.
>
>
>> only for third party apps which don't use a database and with issues
>> such as locking up your computer.
>
> It is true that the Linux imobiledevice library on Ubuntu 13.10
> is pretty flaky.
>
> So, Linux is no picnic sometimes.
>
> It just works!
>
Sure it does.
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 9:20:40 PM6/2/14
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In article
<30307$538d2032$43da7656$29...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
better than you have.
here's how. it's not particularly difficult at all, although there
really isn't any need for two steps:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpioHTeoIY>
<30307$538d2032$43da7656$29...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> > It works even better on the iPad when used with supported operating
> > systems and software. You refuse to acknowledge this
>
> Actually, you apparently refuse to acknowledge these references,
> all of which show that Apple users have been frustrated by this
> app for years - yet - it's still the most popular voice recorder
> app for iOS!
maybe some users are, but they aren't following the directions any
> > It works even better on the iPad when used with supported operating
> > systems and software. You refuse to acknowledge this
>
> Actually, you apparently refuse to acknowledge these references,
> all of which show that Apple users have been frustrated by this
> app for years - yet - it's still the most popular voice recorder
> app for iOS!
better than you have.
here's how. it's not particularly difficult at all, although there
really isn't any need for two steps:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpioHTeoIY>
TJ
Jun 2, 2014, 9:26:00 PM6/2/14
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either.
TJ
TJ
Jun 2, 2014, 9:36:32 PM6/2/14
to
On 06/02/2014 05:06 PM, nospam wrote:
experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them. Of
course, Android devices lack things common to iPads, too - like iTunes.
But then, we don't need it, so we don't miss it.
TJ
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 9:55:17 PM6/2/14
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In article <lmj879$8q7$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
not getting what?
the problems he's having are entirely of his own making.
i have no problem recording audio and accessing the files if i need to
and i don't need to do anything special either.
not using itunes *will* make things more complicated, as he found out.
so it looks like it's you are the one who isn't getting it at all.
the problems he's having are entirely of his own making.
i have no problem recording audio and accessing the files if i need to
and i don't need to do anything special either.
not using itunes *will* make things more complicated, as he found out.
so it looks like it's you are the one who isn't getting it at all.
nospam
Jun 2, 2014, 9:55:19 PM6/2/14
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In article <lmj8r1$c5q$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
external speaker jack??
> Of
> course, Android devices lack things common to iPads, too - like iTunes.
> But then, we don't need it, so we don't miss it.
itunes adds a *lot* of features and functionality, which if you
actually used it, you'd see just what you're missing. it also greatly
simplifies using and managing all of the content on a mobile device.
it's not perfect (nothing is) but it's hands down a *lot* better than
not using it.
and i have both android and ios devices here, for the record.
wrote:
> >> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
> >> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
> >> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
> >
> > of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
> >
> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
it plays movies and music. why in the world would it not have an
> >> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
> >> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
> >> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
> >
> > of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
> >
> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
external speaker jack??
> Of
> course, Android devices lack things common to iPads, too - like iTunes.
> But then, we don't need it, so we don't miss it.
actually used it, you'd see just what you're missing. it also greatly
simplifies using and managing all of the content on a mobile device.
it's not perfect (nothing is) but it's hands down a *lot* better than
not using it.
and i have both android and ios devices here, for the record.
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 9:57:10 PM6/2/14
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can't possibly know whether you would like what you are missing. Do keep
blabbing pure bullshit though, if it helps you feel better.
Jolly Roger
Jun 2, 2014, 10:02:09 PM6/2/14
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On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
Whatcha got for us next, smart guy?
Michelle Steiner
Jun 2, 2014, 10:43:30 PM6/2/14
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> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
the iPad certainly does have an external speaker/headphone jack.
> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 10:44:26 PM6/2/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:20:40 -0400, nospam wrote:
> here's how. it's not particularly difficult at all, although there
> really isn't any need for two steps:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpioHTeoIY>
That's pretty nice since that video comes from the now-infamous
> here's how. it's not particularly difficult at all, although there
> really isn't any need for two steps:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpioHTeoIY>
Nfinity company themselves.
I noticed they're using the *paid* app named QuickVoice Pro,
and that she launched QuickVoice PC, which is a "bonus" app
for the QuickVoice Pro version, and she's using an iPhone, but,
I will assume that the process works the same for the iPad
freeware (we hope).
Kerri, from Nfinity, first created an iTunes quick sync, which
she said was to "copy over all your recordings and all your
content" which basically was a "giant file that holds all the
contents of your iPhone" (verbatim).
Then she ran the secondary "bonus" program, and hit a few
buttons, and menu selections, which resulted in her importing
the new recordings onto her computer.
By way of contrast, I ran the suggested Roland "AirRecorder",
and made three recordings which I transferred over to my Linux
laptop in a single step, and was able to play the WAV files
on Linux within moments of recording them on the iPad.
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2077prb.jpg
Liam O'Connor
Jun 2, 2014, 11:59:56 PM6/2/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 01:16:49 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Again, anyone can see your history of "not complaining".
In addition to "my history", you can also see thanks and civility
> Again, anyone can see your history of "not complaining".
and technical details and screenshots and URls and, best of all,
together, we *always* solve the cross-platform problems.
In fact, the newly suggested Roland "AirRecorder" has the right
use model for simply sliding files bidirectionally from the iPad
to the Linux laptop, over USB.
a. I recorded an audio clip on the iPad as a WAV file.
b. I connected the iPad USB cable to the PC and slid it over.
c. I played the WAV file on Linux.
What could be a simpler use model than that?
Note: The AirRecorder app saved the file perfectly, but, the
potentially fatal flaw is that it's an iPhone app, not an iPad
app, which can't run in the background, sad to say.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 3, 2014, 12:08:43 AM6/3/14
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 22:59:56 -0500, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> a. I recorded an audio clip on the iPad as a WAV file.
> b. I connected the iPad USB cable to the PC and slid it over.
> c. I played the WAV file on Linux.
>
> What could be a simpler use model than that?
I forgot to include this screenshot of the results:
> a. I recorded an audio clip on the iPad as a WAV file.
> b. I connected the iPad USB cable to the PC and slid it over.
> c. I played the WAV file on Linux.
>
> What could be a simpler use model than that?
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2077prb.jpg
Roland AirRecorder clearly has the desired file-transfer model
down pat. The only (major) flaw of AirRecorder is that it
appears to be an iPhone app which can't run in the background
on the iPad.
Other than that, it's perfect.
nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 12:10:24 AM6/3/14
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In article
<3e7fd$538d483c$43da7656$31...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
usb cable.
> Note: The AirRecorder app saved the file perfectly, but, the
> potentially fatal flaw is that it's an iPhone app, not an iPad
> app,
that just means it runs in 1x/2x compatibility mode, which for a
recording app where the interface is not critical, is a minor issue.
> which can't run in the background, sad to say.
that might be a drawback.
<3e7fd$538d483c$43da7656$31...@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com>, Liam
O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> wrote:
> In fact, the newly suggested Roland "AirRecorder" has the right
> use model for simply sliding files bidirectionally from the iPad
> to the Linux laptop, over USB.
>
> a. I recorded an audio clip on the iPad as a WAV file.
> b. I connected the iPad USB cable to the PC and slid it over.
> c. I played the WAV file on Linux.
>
> What could be a simpler use model than that?
having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
> In fact, the newly suggested Roland "AirRecorder" has the right
> use model for simply sliding files bidirectionally from the iPad
> to the Linux laptop, over USB.
>
> a. I recorded an audio clip on the iPad as a WAV file.
> b. I connected the iPad USB cable to the PC and slid it over.
> c. I played the WAV file on Linux.
>
> What could be a simpler use model than that?
anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
usb cable.
> Note: The AirRecorder app saved the file perfectly, but, the
> potentially fatal flaw is that it's an iPhone app, not an iPad
> app,
recording app where the interface is not critical, is a minor issue.
> which can't run in the background, sad to say.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 3, 2014, 12:12:05 AM6/3/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 00:10:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
> having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
> anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
> usb cable.
Except that iTunes doesn't run on Linux, which is my preferred platform.
> having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
> anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
> usb cable.
:)
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2077prb.jpg
TJ
Jun 3, 2014, 8:07:47 AM6/3/14
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On 06/03/2014 12:12 AM, Liam O'Connor wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 00:10:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
>> anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
>> usb cable.
>
> Except that iTunes doesn't run on Linux, which is my preferred platform.
>
> :)
>
Uh-huh. That's the part these iPaddies don't seem to get.
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 00:10:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>> having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
>> anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
>> usb cable.
>
> Except that iTunes doesn't run on Linux, which is my preferred platform.
>
> :)
>
TJ
TJ
Jun 3, 2014, 8:35:04 AM6/3/14
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On 06/02/2014 09:55 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <lmj879$8q7$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
> wrote:
>
>>>> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
>>>> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
>>>
>>> he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
>>> all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
>>>
>>>> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
>>>> what his real goals are than I would have.
>>>
>>> his goals are to make it complicated.
>>>
>>> anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
>>> ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
>>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>>>
>> You're still not getting it, and not getting any closer to getting it,
>> either.
>
> not getting what?
>
*You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
> In article <lmj879$8q7$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
> wrote:
>
>>>> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
>>>> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
>>>
>>> he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
>>> all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
>>>
>>>> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
>>>> what his real goals are than I would have.
>>>
>>> his goals are to make it complicated.
>>>
>>> anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
>>> ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
>>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>>>
>> You're still not getting it, and not getting any closer to getting it,
>> either.
>
> not getting what?
>
*He* wants to discover how to make his iPad work AS WELL AS IT CAN with
Linux.
The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
TJ
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Jolly Roger
Jun 3, 2014, 11:32:37 AM6/3/14
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On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
the iPad has a list of system requirements, in which Linux is *absent*.
No amount of your bitching and moaning will change that fact. Another
thing you don't get is Apple users don't really care about your Linux
issues with iPads, and they are smart enough to see right through your
whiny, little juvenile anti-Apple rants. And some of you aren't very
knowledgeable - even about *nix - which makes you come off looking
rather foolish to those of us with lots of Unix, Linux, Windows, and Mac
experience. Do troll on though. If nothing else, it's entertaining to
watch you make fools of yourselves in public.
TJ
Jun 3, 2014, 1:08:11 PM6/3/14
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On 06/03/2014 11:32 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2014 12:12 AM, Liam O'Connor wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 00:10:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>>> having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
>>>> anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
>>>> usb cable.
>>>
>>> Except that iTunes doesn't run on Linux, which is my preferred platform.
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> Uh-huh. That's the part these iPaddies don't seem to get.
>
> Uh-huh. And what you knuckleheads don't get is that, like most devices,
> the iPad has a list of system requirements, in which Linux is *absent*.
> No amount of your bitching and moaning will change that fact. Another
> thing you don't get is Apple users don't really care about your Linux
> issues with iPads, and they are smart enough to see right through your
> whiny, little juvenile anti-Apple rants. And some of you aren't very
> knowledgeable - even about *nix - which makes you come off looking
> rather foolish to those of us with lots of Unix, Linux, Windows, and Mac
> experience. Do troll on though. If nothing else, it's entertaining to
> watch you make fools of yourselves in public.
>
Apparently, you have never seen what *real* bitching and moaning is
> On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> On 06/03/2014 12:12 AM, Liam O'Connor wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 00:10:24 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>>> having itunes automatically sync everything without having to do
>>>> anything, including digging through the file system and even without a
>>>> usb cable.
>>>
>>> Except that iTunes doesn't run on Linux, which is my preferred platform.
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> Uh-huh. That's the part these iPaddies don't seem to get.
>
> Uh-huh. And what you knuckleheads don't get is that, like most devices,
> the iPad has a list of system requirements, in which Linux is *absent*.
> No amount of your bitching and moaning will change that fact. Another
> thing you don't get is Apple users don't really care about your Linux
> issues with iPads, and they are smart enough to see right through your
> whiny, little juvenile anti-Apple rants. And some of you aren't very
> knowledgeable - even about *nix - which makes you come off looking
> rather foolish to those of us with lots of Unix, Linux, Windows, and Mac
> experience. Do troll on though. If nothing else, it's entertaining to
> watch you make fools of yourselves in public.
>
like. Lucky you.
But please, do continue to attempt to insult me. It won't work, but it
may keep you from carrying through with those other dark urges you have.
Oh, and make sure you keep taking your meds, OK?
Meanwhile, I'll continue to congratulate myself in the wisdom of *not*
buying an iPad.
TJ
TJ
Jun 3, 2014, 1:13:55 PM6/3/14
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On 06/02/2014 09:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> On 06/02/2014 05:06 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <lmio9o$spa$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
>>>> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
>>>> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
>>>
>>> of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
>>>
>> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
>> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
>> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
>> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them. Of
>> course, Android devices lack things common to iPads, too - like iTunes.
>> But then, we don't need it, so we don't miss it.
>
> More bullshit from the best. Since you know nothing about them, you
> can't possibly know whether you would like what you are missing. Do keep
> blabbing pure bullshit though, if it helps you feel better.
>
Why, thank you. The best, eh? Cool.
> On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> On 06/02/2014 05:06 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <lmio9o$spa$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the iPad allows you to plug in some external speakers, some good ones
>>>> might improve your second recording's sound quality. Can you somehow
>>>> patch audio output from the iPad to a recorder's audio input with a cable?
>>>
>>> of course you can. what ever gave you the idea that wasn't possible????
>>>
>> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
>> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
>> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
>> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them. Of
>> course, Android devices lack things common to iPads, too - like iTunes.
>> But then, we don't need it, so we don't miss it.
>
> More bullshit from the best. Since you know nothing about them, you
> can't possibly know whether you would like what you are missing. Do keep
> blabbing pure bullshit though, if it helps you feel better.
>
Uh, I'm not "missing" anything I want. Android does everything I want,
and much, much more. I sure as heck am not missing jumping the through
Apple hoops you guys say are necessary to use an iPad.
TJ
TJ
Jun 3, 2014, 1:19:29 PM6/3/14
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cards, for one thing. Or so I've heard. My tablet can use a 32GB SD card
- last I heard the iPad can't.
If the iPad does have a memory card slot, please enlighten me and I'll
be glad to admit my mistake.
TJ
Michelle Steiner
Jun 3, 2014, 1:20:39 PM6/3/14
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In article <lmkvds$ib8$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'll continue to congratulate myself in the wisdom of *not*
> buying an iPad.
Whatever. If you don't need a tablet, don't buy one.
wrote:
> Meanwhile, I'll continue to congratulate myself in the wisdom of *not*
> buying an iPad.
Michelle Steiner
Jun 3, 2014, 1:22:53 PM6/3/14
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In article <lmkvok$l6s$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
wrote:
> Uh, I'm not "missing" anything I want. Android does everything I want,
> and much, much more. I sure as heck am not missing jumping the through
> Apple hoops you guys say are necessary to use an iPad.
There aren't any hoops. But if you're happy using an inferior product
that is prone to malware and has limited ability to be upgraded, then
be happy.
wrote:
> Uh, I'm not "missing" anything I want. Android does everything I want,
> and much, much more. I sure as heck am not missing jumping the through
> Apple hoops you guys say are necessary to use an iPad.
that is prone to malware and has limited ability to be upgraded, then
be happy.
Jolly Roger
Jun 3, 2014, 1:23:46 PM6/3/14
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fifty thousand iPads. Feel free to have your little "last word" parade
now.
Jolly Roger
Jun 3, 2014, 1:31:51 PM6/3/14
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On 2014-06-03, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business> wrote:
of iPad users are just fine without. Lame.
Michelle Steiner
Jun 3, 2014, 1:36:06 PM6/3/14
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In article <lml032$ntb$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
wrote:
I meant meaningful features.
wrote:
nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 2:16:28 PM6/3/14
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In article <lmkfdp$gua$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
manually dragging files means you *aren't* getting the wealth of other
features that exist on mac/windows *and* you're making more work for
yourself in the process.
> But for some
> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
the reason for no linux support is not strange at all and it makes
perfect sense to just about everyone.
linux is a niche os that isn't worth the time and effort to support,
which is why very few companies bother. that's just the way it is and
it's not just apple. it's industry-wide.
> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
apple isn't dictating anything.
in fact, it's the other way around. linux dictates that the user do the
work that the computer should be doing.
> That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
> can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
> possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
that's my whole point. he doesn't want to do it in the easiest way
possible.
he is making it more difficult than it needs to be, complaining that
it's complicated and then blaming apple for his decision to make it
complicated.
it's his choice what to do, but the difficulties he is encountering are
of his own making. it's not apple's fault he chose a system for which
there is no native support.
a typical ios device user will *never* encounter any of the nonsense
he's dealt with.
ios devices 'just work', often without the user needing to do anything
extra, with the computer taking care of all of the details, which is
how it should be. computers are there to do work *for* the user, not
the other way around.
it's been about two *weeks* since this all began and he is only now
finding a solution. that's just crazy. had he installed itunes, even in
a virtual machine, none of what he went through would have been
necessary. *none*.
and before you say 'but it's easy on android'. no it's not. manually
dragging files and maintaining their organization is more work than
having the computer do it. that's extra hoops that ios users do not
need to jump through.
wrote:
> >>>> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
> >>>> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
> >>>
> >>> he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
> >>> all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
> >>>
> >>>> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
> >>>> what his real goals are than I would have.
> >>>
> >>> his goals are to make it complicated.
> >>>
> >>> anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
> >>> ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
> >>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
> >>>
> >> You're still not getting it, and not getting any closer to getting it,
> >> either.
> >
> > not getting what?
> >
> *You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
>
> *He* wants to discover how to make his iPad work AS WELL AS IT CAN with
> Linux.
>
> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS.
what you don't get is that there's a *lot* more than basic operations.
> >>>> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
> >>>> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
> >>>
> >>> he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
> >>> all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
> >>>
> >>>> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
> >>>> what his real goals are than I would have.
> >>>
> >>> his goals are to make it complicated.
> >>>
> >>> anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
> >>> ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
> >>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
> >>>
> >> You're still not getting it, and not getting any closer to getting it,
> >> either.
> >
> > not getting what?
> >
> *You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
>
> *He* wants to discover how to make his iPad work AS WELL AS IT CAN with
> Linux.
>
> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS.
manually dragging files means you *aren't* getting the wealth of other
features that exist on mac/windows *and* you're making more work for
yourself in the process.
> But for some
> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
perfect sense to just about everyone.
linux is a niche os that isn't worth the time and effort to support,
which is why very few companies bother. that's just the way it is and
it's not just apple. it's industry-wide.
> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
in fact, it's the other way around. linux dictates that the user do the
work that the computer should be doing.
> That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
> can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
> possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
possible.
he is making it more difficult than it needs to be, complaining that
it's complicated and then blaming apple for his decision to make it
complicated.
it's his choice what to do, but the difficulties he is encountering are
of his own making. it's not apple's fault he chose a system for which
there is no native support.
a typical ios device user will *never* encounter any of the nonsense
he's dealt with.
ios devices 'just work', often without the user needing to do anything
extra, with the computer taking care of all of the details, which is
how it should be. computers are there to do work *for* the user, not
the other way around.
it's been about two *weeks* since this all began and he is only now
finding a solution. that's just crazy. had he installed itunes, even in
a virtual machine, none of what he went through would have been
necessary. *none*.
and before you say 'but it's easy on android'. no it's not. manually
dragging files and maintaining their organization is more work than
having the computer do it. that's extra hoops that ios users do not
need to jump through.
nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 2:16:30 PM6/3/14
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> Uh, I'm not "missing" anything I want. Android does everything I want,
> and much, much more. I sure as heck am not missing jumping the through
> Apple hoops you guys say are necessary to use an iPad.
what you are missing is that aren't any hoops at all, except the ones
> and much, much more. I sure as heck am not missing jumping the through
> Apple hoops you guys say are necessary to use an iPad.
users create for themselves.
apple designed it so that it 'just works', without the user needing to
do anything extra. syncing is just a click and it takes care of all of
the internal details that would otherwise be left for the user to do,
and syncing can even be set to be automatic if the user wants to,
making it as hoop-free as possible.
it's linux where there are hoops, and lots of them.
nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 2:16:32 PM6/3/14
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In article <lml032$ntb$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
might seem since most android apps won't work on cards.
plus, users don't like the hassles of using cards. they invariably buy
one card and leave it there, so why not just put all the memory in the
device itself in the first place?
the ipad comes with up to 128 gig built in, so you'd need 4 32 gig
cards to match (minus whatever the device has). who wants to deal with
swapping 4 cards and remembering which one has what? what an absolutely
bad user experience. and you bitch about hoops? that's a string of
hoops.
not only that but with cloud storage, the need for huge amounts of
storage is less important.
> If the iPad does have a memory card slot, please enlighten me and I'll
> be glad to admit my mistake.
your mistake is in thinking that fussing with cards is somehow a plus.
it isn't.
wrote:
> >> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
> >> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
> >> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
> >> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
> >
> > the iPad certainly does have an external speaker/headphone jack.
> >
> > What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
> >
> Ability to enhance storage capacity through the use of removable memory
> cards, for one thing. Or so I've heard. My tablet can use a 32GB SD card
> - last I heard the iPad can't.
not all android devices have card slots and they're not as useful as it
> >> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
> >> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
> >> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
> >> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
> >
> > the iPad certainly does have an external speaker/headphone jack.
> >
> > What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
> >
> Ability to enhance storage capacity through the use of removable memory
> cards, for one thing. Or so I've heard. My tablet can use a 32GB SD card
> - last I heard the iPad can't.
might seem since most android apps won't work on cards.
plus, users don't like the hassles of using cards. they invariably buy
one card and leave it there, so why not just put all the memory in the
device itself in the first place?
the ipad comes with up to 128 gig built in, so you'd need 4 32 gig
cards to match (minus whatever the device has). who wants to deal with
swapping 4 cards and remembering which one has what? what an absolutely
bad user experience. and you bitch about hoops? that's a string of
hoops.
not only that but with cloud storage, the need for huge amounts of
storage is less important.
> If the iPad does have a memory card slot, please enlighten me and I'll
> be glad to admit my mistake.
it isn't.
Liam O'Connor
Jun 3, 2014, 2:38:02 PM6/3/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:35:04 -0400, TJ wrote:
> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS.
I must say that TJ is wholly correct in *all* the statements made
> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS.
in that prior post.
Since what I'm attempting are extremely basic capabilities that
*any* device should be able to accomplish with any operating
system, I will continue to try to make the iPad work with Linux
at least as well as Android does by default.
At the moment, I think I'm finally there with respect to having
the ability to create audio files in the background on the iPad
and then the ability to bidirectionally slide them to and from
the Linux laptop, at will.
With my Android Samsung Galaxy S3, this is accomplished with
the default "Voice Recorder" app, and a USB cable and the
MTP drivers on Linux.
And, thanks to everyone's kind help here, with the Ipad mini,
my preliminary tests now seems to work just fine with the
wonderful free "Voice Record" application over USB cable
(assuming a recently updated Linux imobiledevice library).
Here's a screenshot of what the private space "Documents"
directory looks like for the "Voice Record" application:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/ml36kp.jpg
The "Voice Record" app creates MP4 files, and it easily
converts them to MP3, and it also easily cuts and pastes
the MP4 files into any app on the iPad which will accept
them, which includes VLC freeware.
Pretty much, this quest has been solved, and I thank all of
you for your patience and help. I am sorry I ever touched that
QuickVoice Recorder app from Nfinity, and I will delete it
as soon as I can figure out how to get my files out of it.
Thanks everyone!
Peter Köhlmann
Jun 3, 2014, 2:46:47 PM6/3/14
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The lying imbecile nospam wrote:
> In article <lml032$ntb$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
> wrote:
>
>> >> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
>> >> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
>> >> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
>> >> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
>> >
>> > the iPad certainly does have an external speaker/headphone jack.
>> >
>> > What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
>> >
>> Ability to enhance storage capacity through the use of removable memory
>> cards, for one thing. Or so I've heard. My tablet can use a 32GB SD card
>> - last I heard the iPad can't.
>
> not all android devices have card slots
Most do
> In article <lml032$ntb$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
> wrote:
>
>> >> I didn't know. Mentioned before, more than once, I have *ZERO*
>> >> experience with any iPad. I have an Android tablet. But I have read
>> >> where the iPad lacks some features common to Android devices, and for
>> >> all I knew an external speaker jack might have been one of them.
>> >
>> > the iPad certainly does have an external speaker/headphone jack.
>> >
>> > What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
>> >
>> Ability to enhance storage capacity through the use of removable memory
>> cards, for one thing. Or so I've heard. My tablet can use a 32GB SD card
>> - last I heard the iPad can't.
>
> not all android devices have card slots
> and they're not as useful as it
> might seem since most android apps won't work on cards.
The majority of apps work just fine from cards.
Additionally, that isn't the major use case of cards.
Cards provide basically unlimited local storage
> plus, users don't like the hassles of using cards. they invariably buy
> one card and leave it there, so why not just put all the memory in the
> device itself in the first place?
Liam O'Connor
Jun 3, 2014, 2:54:44 PM6/3/14
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:40:33 +0000, Lewis wrote:
> Right, but the iPad doesn't work with Linux,
> so Liam is just being a moron.
Actually, the iPad works just fine now with Linux.
The problem we had with iPad-to-Linux by USB was that Apple changed
the way its USB charging works, which broke the Linux imobiledevice
library, which, once patched, allowed connections by USB again.
Then, due to my ignorance of Apple private space, I had installed
a QuickVoice Recorder Lite application which, unbeknownst to me
at the time, was really a scam app, which locked in the files
into their marketing scheme, even for iTunes users - but - worse
for Linux users who don't have iTunes and who can't run the
"bonus" program that Nfinity supplies which then extracts the
specific file out of the humongous unencryupted iTunes backup
file on Windows.
Notwithstanding the fact that, according to the reviews I already
posted, even Apple users rebelled against that horrific use model,
the real solution was, as nospam, Michelle, and other said, to
simply find an app that made its private space available to USB.
The app I found that seemed to meet the two primary objectives:
1. Save the recorded file such that it is accessible to USB,
2. Record in the background (so that the iPad can be used),
was the freeware "Voice Record Pro":
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/voice-record-pro/id546983235?mt=8
So far, the only drawback of the freeware Voice Record Pro are
the ads at the bottom, but that's a minor disadvantage.
I'll continue to look for an app that does what Voice Record
Pro does, but without the ads at the bottom, but that's a lower
priority search, as the key was to get the existing files off
the iPad and onto a computer for archival to DVD media.
> Right, but the iPad doesn't work with Linux,
> so Liam is just being a moron.
Actually, the iPad works just fine now with Linux.
The problem we had with iPad-to-Linux by USB was that Apple changed
the way its USB charging works, which broke the Linux imobiledevice
library, which, once patched, allowed connections by USB again.
Then, due to my ignorance of Apple private space, I had installed
a QuickVoice Recorder Lite application which, unbeknownst to me
at the time, was really a scam app, which locked in the files
into their marketing scheme, even for iTunes users - but - worse
for Linux users who don't have iTunes and who can't run the
"bonus" program that Nfinity supplies which then extracts the
specific file out of the humongous unencryupted iTunes backup
file on Windows.
Notwithstanding the fact that, according to the reviews I already
posted, even Apple users rebelled against that horrific use model,
the real solution was, as nospam, Michelle, and other said, to
simply find an app that made its private space available to USB.
The app I found that seemed to meet the two primary objectives:
1. Save the recorded file such that it is accessible to USB,
2. Record in the background (so that the iPad can be used),
was the freeware "Voice Record Pro":
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/voice-record-pro/id546983235?mt=8
So far, the only drawback of the freeware Voice Record Pro are
the ads at the bottom, but that's a minor disadvantage.
I'll continue to look for an app that does what Voice Record
Pro does, but without the ads at the bottom, but that's a lower
priority search, as the key was to get the existing files off
the iPad and onto a computer for archival to DVD media.
Savageduck
Jun 3, 2014, 3:05:32 PM6/3/14
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On 2014-06-03 18:54:44 +0000, Liam O'Connor <liamo...@example.com> said:
>
> So far, the only drawback of the freeware Voice Record Pro are
> the ads at the bottom, but that's a minor disadvantage.
>
> I'll continue to look for an app that does what Voice Record
> Pro does, but without the ads at the bottom, but that's a lower
> priority search, as the key was to get the existing files off
> the iPad and onto a computer for archival to DVD media.
Just PAY them the $2.99 via the in App purchase and the adds are gone.
>
> So far, the only drawback of the freeware Voice Record Pro are
> the ads at the bottom, but that's a minor disadvantage.
>
> I'll continue to look for an app that does what Voice Record
> Pro does, but without the ads at the bottom, but that's a lower
> priority search, as the key was to get the existing files off
> the iPad and onto a computer for archival to DVD media.
Problem solved.
Don't you value anything?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 4:11:39 PM6/3/14
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In article <lml56n$va5$1...@dont-email.me>, Peter K�hlmann
someone owns and wants to use can run off a card..
<http://androidandme.com/thread/apps2sd-removed-from-jelly-bean-google-w
tf-are-you-doing/>
Disappointingly Google has removed apps2sd support in Jelly Bean. I
can�t install apps on the 64 Gb SD card in my Note 2. Google wants
you to use the �Cloud�. The Nexus product line has no external SD
card so we see where they are going with this.
<https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131214175609AAFhKE1>
I have a 32gb external SD card installed right now, but as I
discovered after purchasing it, there is no built in way to move apps
to the SD card on Jelly Bean/Android 4.1.2.
> Additionally, that isn't the major use case of cards.
it's one of many, but it doesn't matter what is on there. what matters
is that it's an additional hassle to swap cards which is why almost
nobody does it.
> Cards provide basically unlimited local storage
with a lot of hassles.
nobody wants to carry a pocket full of cards and have to swap among
them to get whatever it is they want to access, if they can even figure
out which card has what.
that's just a horrible user experience.
that's why just about everyone buys one card and leaves it there, if
they get one at all.
meanwhile, ipads are available up to 128 gig, without any hassles in
what content goes where and even what's in the cloud is transparent to
the user.
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > and they're not as useful as it
> > might seem since most android apps won't work on cards.
>
> Blatantly bullshit.
> The majority of apps work just fine from cards.
no they don't, but what matters is not how many but whether the apps
>
> > and they're not as useful as it
> > might seem since most android apps won't work on cards.
>
> Blatantly bullshit.
> The majority of apps work just fine from cards.
someone owns and wants to use can run off a card..
<http://androidandme.com/thread/apps2sd-removed-from-jelly-bean-google-w
tf-are-you-doing/>
Disappointingly Google has removed apps2sd support in Jelly Bean. I
can�t install apps on the 64 Gb SD card in my Note 2. Google wants
you to use the �Cloud�. The Nexus product line has no external SD
card so we see where they are going with this.
<https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131214175609AAFhKE1>
I have a 32gb external SD card installed right now, but as I
discovered after purchasing it, there is no built in way to move apps
to the SD card on Jelly Bean/Android 4.1.2.
> Additionally, that isn't the major use case of cards.
is that it's an additional hassle to swap cards which is why almost
nobody does it.
> Cards provide basically unlimited local storage
nobody wants to carry a pocket full of cards and have to swap among
them to get whatever it is they want to access, if they can even figure
out which card has what.
that's just a horrible user experience.
that's why just about everyone buys one card and leaves it there, if
they get one at all.
meanwhile, ipads are available up to 128 gig, without any hassles in
what content goes where and even what's in the cloud is transparent to
the user.
M.L.
Jun 3, 2014, 8:18:30 PM6/3/14
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>i suspect it's the ludicrous myth that apple products can only talk to
>other apple products because they're supposedly non-standard, which
>would rule out ordinary speakers. except that's completely false.
>
>as is typical with these types of claims, they apply to products
>*other* than apple, such as android devices that actually don't have a
>standard 3.5mm headphone jack and require an adapter to use standard
>headphones or speakers.
>
><http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG0686818>
Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
certainly does.
nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 8:41:14 PM6/3/14
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In article <dapso9pqdoujmpdbc...@4ax.com>, M.L.
not all of them.
<http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
Along the bottom of the phone is HTC's totally meaningless ExtUSB
port, which actually can accept micro mini-USB plugs. Why we're
forced into this odd connector type and denied a 3.5mm headphone jack
is beyond us. We were told at the phone's launch that there would be
an adapter included with devices (at some point) to allow regular
headphone use, but honestly, who wants another adapter to worry
about?
<http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
Along the bottom of the phone is HTC's totally meaningless ExtUSB
port, which actually can accept micro mini-USB plugs. Why we're
forced into this odd connector type and denied a 3.5mm headphone jack
is beyond us. We were told at the phone's launch that there would be
an adapter included with devices (at some point) to allow regular
headphone use, but honestly, who wants another adapter to worry
about?
M.L.
Jun 3, 2014, 8:53:30 PM6/3/14
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>> What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
phone)
Bitcoin Wallet support
Moving apps to SD card supported by Android 2.2+. Not supported on
Android 4.0 - 4.2 except by rooting. Support added back in 4.3.
>SD slot (meh, but if my iPad had one, I'd probably use it)
>Micro USB charging
>Rootable
>Unupgradable (chances of getting next version of Android are
> slim and nil)
Most rooted Androids can be upgraded with custom ROMs if no official
OTA upgrade available.
nospam
Jun 3, 2014, 9:07:13 PM6/3/14
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In article <a6rso99dic0nom548...@4ax.com>, M.L.
usb on the go via the camera connector for cameras (obviously) but also
keyboards, midi and microphones.
but what you're forgetting is that these are mobile devices which are
not used with devices hanging off them.
also, the future is the cloud, not adapters, so users *don't* have to
fuss with plugging in devices. some cameras even have built-in wifi and
can offload photos directly without any cables or adapters.
> Bitcoin Wallet support
that's software, and ios has that, not that it's particularly
important. most people have no idea what bitcoin is and even those who
do, most aren't interested.
> Moving apps to SD card supported by Android 2.2+. Not supported on
> Android 4.0 - 4.2 except by rooting. Support added back in 4.3.
not all apps work on a card.
> >SD slot (meh, but if my iPad had one, I'd probably use it)
> >Micro USB charging
> >Rootable
> >Unupgradable (chances of getting next version of Android are
> > slim and nil)
>
> Most rooted Androids can be upgraded with custom ROMs if no official
> OTA upgrade available.
unofficial upgrades do not count.
<m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> >> What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
>
> USB On-The-Go (OTG) support (allows plugging external devices into
> phone)
ios devices have a lightning connector for external devices, including
> >> What features does Android tablets have that the iPad doesn't have?
>
> USB On-The-Go (OTG) support (allows plugging external devices into
> phone)
usb on the go via the camera connector for cameras (obviously) but also
keyboards, midi and microphones.
but what you're forgetting is that these are mobile devices which are
not used with devices hanging off them.
also, the future is the cloud, not adapters, so users *don't* have to
fuss with plugging in devices. some cameras even have built-in wifi and
can offload photos directly without any cables or adapters.
> Bitcoin Wallet support
that's software, and ios has that, not that it's particularly
important. most people have no idea what bitcoin is and even those who
do, most aren't interested.
> Moving apps to SD card supported by Android 2.2+. Not supported on
> Android 4.0 - 4.2 except by rooting. Support added back in 4.3.
> >SD slot (meh, but if my iPad had one, I'd probably use it)
> >Micro USB charging
> >Rootable
> >Unupgradable (chances of getting next version of Android are
> > slim and nil)
>
> Most rooted Androids can be upgraded with custom ROMs if no official
> OTA upgrade available.
Peter Köhlmann
Jun 4, 2014, 2:37:50 AM6/4/14
to
The lying imbecile nospam wrote:
> In article <dapso9pqdoujmpdbc...@4ax.com>, M.L.
> <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >i suspect it's the ludicrous myth that apple products can only talk to
>> >other apple products because they're supposedly non-standard, which
>> >would rule out ordinary speakers. except that's completely false.
>> >
>> >as is typical with these types of claims, they apply to products
>> >*other* than apple, such as android devices that actually don't have a
>> >standard 3.5mm headphone jack and require an adapter to use standard
>> >headphones or speakers.
>> >
>> ><http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG0686818>
>>
>> Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
>> certainly does.
>
> not all of them.
>
> <http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
Ye gods!!
> <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >i suspect it's the ludicrous myth that apple products can only talk to
>> >other apple products because they're supposedly non-standard, which
>> >would rule out ordinary speakers. except that's completely false.
>> >
>> >as is typical with these types of claims, they apply to products
>> >*other* than apple, such as android devices that actually don't have a
>> >standard 3.5mm headphone jack and require an adapter to use standard
>> >headphones or speakers.
>> >
>> ><http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0PG0686818>
>>
>> Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
>> certainly does.
>
> not all of them.
>
> <http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
That thingy is not to be found anywhere.
And that "android" it uses has little if anything to do with any android
people know
Fo you lunatic retard actually have any point ever?
nospam
Jun 4, 2014, 12:44:44 PM6/4/14
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In article <lmmerv$969$1...@dont-email.me>, Peter K�hlmann
with a proprietary headphone connector.
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >> Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
> >> certainly does.
> >
> > not all of them.
> >
> > <http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
>
> Ye gods!!
>
> That thingy is not to be found anywhere.
> And that "android" it uses has little if anything to do with any android
> people know
deny it all you want, but that's a clear example of an android device
> >> Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
> >> certainly does.
> >
> > not all of them.
> >
> > <http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
>
> Ye gods!!
>
> That thingy is not to be found anywhere.
> And that "android" it uses has little if anything to do with any android
> people know
with a proprietary headphone connector.
Peter Köhlmann
Jun 4, 2014, 1:41:49 PM6/4/14
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The lunatic liar nospam wrote:
> In article <lmmerv$969$1...@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann
It is a clear example of a device 6 years old, not on any market anymore.
With a android version which is not even supported anymore since years in
the Google store
That you had to supply an "example" like that is very telling
It clearly shows that your claim is utter bullshit
And now just neck yourself, you imbecile cretin. You are yourself a
completely new category of "abjectly stupid"
> In article <lmmerv$969$1...@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann
With a android version which is not even supported anymore since years in
the Google store
That you had to supply an "example" like that is very telling
It clearly shows that your claim is utter bullshit
And now just neck yourself, you imbecile cretin. You are yourself a
completely new category of "abjectly stupid"
nospam
Jun 4, 2014, 2:17:13 PM6/4/14
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In article <lmnlot$6k2$1...@dont-email.me>, Peter K�hlmann
you're just making excuses for an android device having a proprietary
connector.
if apple did something like that, you'd be all over it.
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >> >> Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
> >> >> certainly does.
> >> >
> >> > not all of them.
> >> >
> >> > <http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
> >>
> >> Ye gods!!
> >>
> >> That thingy is not to be found anywhere.
> >> And that "android" it uses has little if anything to do with any android
> >> people know
> >
> > deny it all you want, but that's a clear example of an android device
> > with a proprietary headphone connector.
>
> It is a clear example of a device 6 years old, not on any market anymore.
> With a android version which is not even supported anymore since years in
> the Google store
> That you had to supply an "example" like that is very telling
> It clearly shows that your claim is utter bullshit
it doesn't matter how old it is or what version of android it has.
> >> >> Are you claiming that Androids don't have 3.5mm headphone jacks? Mine
> >> >> certainly does.
> >> >
> >> > not all of them.
> >> >
> >> > <http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/>
> >>
> >> Ye gods!!
> >>
> >> That thingy is not to be found anywhere.
> >> And that "android" it uses has little if anything to do with any android
> >> people know
> >
> > deny it all you want, but that's a clear example of an android device
> > with a proprietary headphone connector.
>
> It is a clear example of a device 6 years old, not on any market anymore.
> With a android version which is not even supported anymore since years in
> the Google store
> That you had to supply an "example" like that is very telling
> It clearly shows that your claim is utter bullshit
you're just making excuses for an android device having a proprietary
connector.
if apple did something like that, you'd be all over it.
AV3
Jun 6, 2014, 10:30:25 PM6/6/14
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On Jun/3/2014 8:3504 AM, TJ wrote:
> On 06/02/2014 09:55 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <lmj879$8q7$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
Windows. He never tried syncing his iPad with iTunes, because he had a
bad experience with an iPod being repeatedly wiped clean. iTunes won't
do that without a command, and he has been repeatedly told so by
Macusers far more experienced with iTunes (for Mac) than he is. He
probably misconstrued some command but blames iTunes for his problem,
not any neglect of its manual on his part.
It surprises me that a Linux user is not more aware of the importance of
consulting a manual in operating with an unfamiliar program.
>
> *He* wants to discover how to make his iPad work AS WELL AS IT CAN with
> Linux.
He wants to treat an iPad as a peripheral disc with drag and drop as the
way of exchanging files. It is not made for such a linux-oriented
operation, but apparently he has found a way to do that for many, but
not all, files of interest to him. Macusers have no quarrel with his
following that procedure, even though iTunes for Windows is still
available for his use.
>
> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>
> That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
> can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
> possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
>
The OP has asked for advice and gotten well-intentioned instruction
about the iPad. Only Linux users can share experience of the methods he
prefers, however big that picture may or may not be.
It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
>
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> On 06/02/2014 09:55 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <lmj879$8q7$1...@dont-email.me>, TJ <T...@noneofyour.business>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
>>>>> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
>>>>
>>>> he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
>>>> all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
>>>>
>>>>> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
>>>>> what his real goals are than I would have.
>>>>
>>>> his goals are to make it complicated.
>>>>
>>>> anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
>>>> ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
>>>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>>>>
>>> You're still not getting it, and not getting any closer to getting it,
>>> either.
>>
>> not getting what?
>>
> *You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
He himself originally complained about the functioning of iTunes for
>>
>>>>> iTunes seems to be nospam's solution to everything iPad, but of course
>>>>> iTunes doesn't work with Linux, and Linux is what Liam wants to use.
>>>>
>>>> he has windows and can always use a virtual machine on linux and keep
>>>> all of itunes separate if he's *that* stubborn about it.
>>>>
>>>>> I must say, Liam has far more patience with these people who don't get
>>>>> what his real goals are than I would have.
>>>>
>>>> his goals are to make it complicated.
>>>>
>>>> anyone who wants an actual solution would have installed itunes long
>>>> ago. it would eliminate just about every single thing he's bitched
>>>> about and for much of it, completely automatically.
>>>>
>>> You're still not getting it, and not getting any closer to getting it,
>>> either.
>>
>> not getting what?
>>
> *You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
Windows. He never tried syncing his iPad with iTunes, because he had a
bad experience with an iPod being repeatedly wiped clean. iTunes won't
do that without a command, and he has been repeatedly told so by
Macusers far more experienced with iTunes (for Mac) than he is. He
probably misconstrued some command but blames iTunes for his problem,
not any neglect of its manual on his part.
It surprises me that a Linux user is not more aware of the importance of
consulting a manual in operating with an unfamiliar program.
>
> *He* wants to discover how to make his iPad work AS WELL AS IT CAN with
> Linux.
way of exchanging files. It is not made for such a linux-oriented
operation, but apparently he has found a way to do that for many, but
not all, files of interest to him. Macusers have no quarrel with his
following that procedure, even though iTunes for Windows is still
available for his use.
>
> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>
> That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
> can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
> possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
>
about the iPad. Only Linux users can share experience of the methods he
prefers, however big that picture may or may not be.
It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
>
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nospam
Jun 6, 2014, 10:39:36 PM6/6/14
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In article <lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
well. the ipad works with both.
it was also crossposted to a linux and android forum, which are
definitely *not* mac forums although there are mac users who use
android devices and even some who use linux.
> > Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> > do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
>
> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
again, it has nothing to do with macs.
> > That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
> > can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
> > possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
>
> The OP has asked for advice and gotten well-intentioned instruction
> about the iPad. Only Linux users can share experience of the methods he
> prefers, however big that picture may or may not be.
>
> It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
> program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
> the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
no they aren't.
ipads are designed for everyday users who use mac or windows.
they are not designed solely for mac users nor what they prefer.
<arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> > basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
> > strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>
> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
> members, most of them polite and helpful.
comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
> > The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> > basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
> > strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>
> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
> members, most of them polite and helpful.
of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
well. the ipad works with both.
it was also crossposted to a linux and android forum, which are
definitely *not* mac forums although there are mac users who use
android devices and even some who use linux.
> > Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> > do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
>
> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
> > That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
> > can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
> > possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
>
> The OP has asked for advice and gotten well-intentioned instruction
> about the iPad. Only Linux users can share experience of the methods he
> prefers, however big that picture may or may not be.
>
> It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
> program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
> the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
ipads are designed for everyday users who use mac or windows.
they are not designed solely for mac users nor what they prefer.
Jolly Roger
Jun 6, 2014, 10:55:39 PM6/6/14
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On 2014-06-07, AV3 <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Jun/3/2014 8:3504 AM, TJ wrote:
>
>> *You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
>
> He himself originally complained about the functioning of iTunes for
> Windows. He never tried syncing his iPad with iTunes, because he had a
> bad experience with an iPod being repeatedly wiped clean. iTunes won't
> do that without a command, and he has been repeatedly told so by
> Macusers far more experienced with iTunes (for Mac) than he is.
And some who also have plenty of experience with the Windows version...
> On Jun/3/2014 8:3504 AM, TJ wrote:
>
>> *You* want him to use iTunes with Windows or a Mac.
>
> He himself originally complained about the functioning of iTunes for
> Windows. He never tried syncing his iPad with iTunes, because he had a
> bad experience with an iPod being repeatedly wiped clean. iTunes won't
> do that without a command, and he has been repeatedly told so by
> Macusers far more experienced with iTunes (for Mac) than he is.
AV3
Jun 7, 2014, 11:28:29 AM6/7/14
to
On Jun/6/2014 10:3936 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article<lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>
>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
> well. the ipad works with both.
>
Quite right. My mistake. But the OP is still trying to utilize his iPad
> In article<lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
> <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>
>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
> well. the ipad works with both.
>
on different principles from both, not just different from Mac.
> it was also crossposted to a linux and android forum, which are
> definitely *not* mac forums although there are mac users who use
> android devices and even some who use linux.
>
>>> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
>>> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
>>
>> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
>> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
>> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>
> again, it has nothing to do with macs.
>
>>> That's the part you don't get. And my guess is you never will. You
>>> can't. You're too focused on doing each specific task the easiest way
>>> possible to see the OP's big picture in this particular thread.
>>
>> The OP has asked for advice and gotten well-intentioned instruction
>> about the iPad. Only Linux users can share experience of the methods he
>> prefers, however big that picture may or may not be.
>>
>> It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
>> program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
>> the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
>
> no they aren't.
>
> ipads are designed for everyday users who use mac or windows.
>
> they are not designed solely for mac users nor what they prefer.
cross-platform Mac-Windows use, but it is so designed by Mac designers.
I have seen criticism of Windows Office programs ported to Mac OSX with
features missing, and I have read no critiques, positive or negative, by
Windows users about iPad and iTunes on Windows, so I will accept your
word for it that iPads and iTunes for Windows function perfectly
smoothly in Windows. I haven't noticed any Windows users' discussions in
this iPad news group, although you rightly mention above that it is
equally open to them. I may well have subconsciously skimmed over such
discussion as irrelevant to my experience.
nospam
Jun 7, 2014, 1:36:56 PM6/7/14
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In article <lmvb30$ta0$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
whether the people who designed it use macs makes very little
difference since it isn't a mac.
> I have seen criticism of Windows Office programs ported to Mac OSX with
> features missing, and I have read no critiques, positive or negative, by
> Windows users about iPad and iTunes on Windows,
you haven't? a lot of windows users hate itunes for no particular
reason and spout endlessly about how horrible it is, yet they can't
actually articulate specifically what's wrong with it.
> so I will accept your
> word for it that iPads and iTunes for Windows function perfectly
> smoothly in Windows.
i didn't say it was perfectly smooth. itunes is buggy on both mac and
windows.
however, it doesn't suck anywhere near as much as some people claim.
> I haven't noticed any Windows users' discussions in
> this iPad news group, although you rightly mention above that it is
> equally open to them. I may well have subconsciously skimmed over such
> discussion as irrelevant to my experience.
windows users frequently ask questions here, but the answers are pretty
much the same either way, so it doesn't matter what system they use.
<arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
> >> program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
> >> the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
> >
> > no they aren't.
> >
> > ipads are designed for everyday users who use mac or windows.
> >
> > they are not designed solely for mac users nor what they prefer.
>
> I find that a grey area. I won't dispute that iOS is designed for
> cross-platform Mac-Windows use, but it is so designed by Mac designers.
it's designed by apple.
> >> It is comical that he rails at iPads, iTunes, and a sound recording
> >> program not intended for the methods he prefers. They are designed for
> >> the methods Macusers prefer. Adapt to them at your peril.
> >
> > no they aren't.
> >
> > ipads are designed for everyday users who use mac or windows.
> >
> > they are not designed solely for mac users nor what they prefer.
>
> I find that a grey area. I won't dispute that iOS is designed for
> cross-platform Mac-Windows use, but it is so designed by Mac designers.
whether the people who designed it use macs makes very little
difference since it isn't a mac.
> I have seen criticism of Windows Office programs ported to Mac OSX with
> features missing, and I have read no critiques, positive or negative, by
> Windows users about iPad and iTunes on Windows,
reason and spout endlessly about how horrible it is, yet they can't
actually articulate specifically what's wrong with it.
> so I will accept your
> word for it that iPads and iTunes for Windows function perfectly
> smoothly in Windows.
windows.
however, it doesn't suck anywhere near as much as some people claim.
> I haven't noticed any Windows users' discussions in
> this iPad news group, although you rightly mention above that it is
> equally open to them. I may well have subconsciously skimmed over such
> discussion as irrelevant to my experience.
much the same either way, so it doesn't matter what system they use.
William Unruh
Jun 7, 2014, 1:36:31 PM6/7/14
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On 2014-06-07, AV3 <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Jun/6/2014 10:3936 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
>> <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>>
>>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
>> In article<lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
>> <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>>
>>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
should not be difficulty.
>>
>> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
>> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
>> well. the ipad works with both.
>>
>
>
> Quite right. My mistake. But the OP is still trying to utilize his iPad
> on different principles from both, not just different from Mac.
>
Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
>
>> it was also crossposted to a linux and android forum, which are
>> definitely *not* mac forums although there are mac users who use
>> android devices and even some who use linux.
>>
>>>> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
>>>> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
>>>
>>> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
>>> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
>>> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
files.
nospam
Jun 7, 2014, 1:41:03 PM6/7/14
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In article <lmviiv$qmo$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings,
etc.
it's as easy as it can be.
> >> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
> >> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
> >> well. the ipad works with both.
> >
> > Quite right. My mistake. But the OP is still trying to utilize his iPad
> > on different principles from both, not just different from Mac.
>
> No. He is simply trying to transfer sound files from his Ipad to his
> Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
> wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
> he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
> in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
> when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
the sound files are standard mp3 or aac, so no need to know anything
about them. any app that can play standard audio files will work.
> >>
> >>>> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> >>>> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
> >>>
> >>> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
> >>> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
> >>> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>
> I do not think he particularly wants "syncing". He wants to transfer
> files.
only because he doesn't understand what syncing offers. he wants to do
it the hard way.
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> >>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
> >>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
> >>>
> >>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
> >>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
> >>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
> >>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
> should not be difficulty.
it's not difficult at all.
> >>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
> >>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
> >>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
> >>>
> >>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
> >>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
> >>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
> >>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
> should not be difficulty.
one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings,
etc.
it's as easy as it can be.
> >> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
> >> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
> >> well. the ipad works with both.
> >
> > Quite right. My mistake. But the OP is still trying to utilize his iPad
> > on different principles from both, not just different from Mac.
>
> No. He is simply trying to transfer sound files from his Ipad to his
> Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
> wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
> he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
> in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
> when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
about them. any app that can play standard audio files will work.
> >>
> >>>> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
> >>>> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
> >>>
> >>> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
> >>> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
> >>> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>
> I do not think he particularly wants "syncing". He wants to transfer
> files.
it the hard way.
Bert
Jun 7, 2014, 2:34:59 PM6/7/14
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In news:lmviiv$qmo$1...@dont-email.me William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca>
wrote:
> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
> program should not be difficulty.
And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
difficulty of implementing it.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
wrote:
> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
> program should not be difficulty.
iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
difficulty of implementing it.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
nospam
Jun 7, 2014, 2:41:47 PM6/7/14
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In article <XnsA3458A2C9B1...@127.0.0.1>, Bert
with other devices.
it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
<be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
> > Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> > input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
> > program should not be difficulty.
>
> And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
> iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
>
> The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
> difficulty of implementing it.
they did do that, because copying content is *easier* with ipads than
>
> > Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> > input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
> > program should not be difficulty.
>
> And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
> iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
>
> The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
> difficulty of implementing it.
with other devices.
it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
AV3
Jun 7, 2014, 5:32:59 PM6/7/14
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On Jun/7/2014 1:3631 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2014-06-07, AV3<arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Jun/6/2014 10:3936 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
>>> <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>>>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>>>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>>>
>>>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>>>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>>>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>>>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
> should not be difficulty.
>
Those two sentences together are not logically true. The iPad involves
> On 2014-06-07, AV3<arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Jun/6/2014 10:3936 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<lmttg4$hom$1...@news.albasani.net>, AV3
>>> <arvi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>>>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>>>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>>>
>>>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>>>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>>>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>>>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>
> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
> should not be difficulty.
>
sandboxing, which makes transferring files different from a file system
that exclusively uses drag-and-drop. Syncing through iTunes is the
method, although drag-and-drop is possible without iTunes. But not for
every file.
>>>
>>> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
>>> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
>>> well. the ipad works with both.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Quite right. My mistake. But the OP is still trying to utilize his iPad
>> on different principles from both, not just different from Mac.
>>
>
> No. He is simply trying to transfer sound files from his Ipad to his
> Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
> wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
> he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
> in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
> when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
insist on using only drag-and-drop, you won't be able to get to all
files. An iPad is not made to accommodate exclusively drag-and-drop, by
design it is better at syncing. I think you and Liam share a blind faith
in the universal efficacy of drag-and-drop.
>
>
>>
>>> it was also crossposted to a linux and android forum, which are
>>> definitely *not* mac forums although there are mac users who use
>>> android devices and even some who use linux.
>>>
>>>>> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
>>>>> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
>>>>
>>>> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
>>>> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
>>>> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>
> I do not think he particularly wants "syncing". He wants to transfer
> files.
sync. Since many linux users double boot, it is not out of the realm of
possibility.
> ...
William Unruh
Jun 7, 2014, 7:28:31 PM6/7/14
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On 2014-06-07, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <lmviiv$qmo$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
><un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> >>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>> >>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>> >>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>> >>>
>> >>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>> >>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>> >>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>> >>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>>
>> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
>> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
>> should not be difficulty.
>
> it's not difficult at all.
>
> one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
> music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
> everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings,
> etc.
??? Why in the world would I want to use itunes to transfer a file. Why
> In article <lmviiv$qmo$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
><un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> >>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They are
>> >>>> basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS. But for some
>> >>>> strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>> >>>
>> >>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for syncing with
>> >>> MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with Linux. Since he has come
>> >>> on his own to a Mac forum, he is getting Mac-oriented advice from its
>> >>> members, most of them polite and helpful.
>>
>> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
>> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
>> should not be difficulty.
>
> it's not difficult at all.
>
> one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
> music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
> everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings,
> etc.
would I want to use something which will "copy
music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts,
ratings, etc. " when all I want to do it to transfer one file from the
everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts,
ipad out to another computer? It like if I asked for directions to the
corner store and you started talking about the advantages of airplanes
and airline companies.
Now, In what subdirectory/folder are the recordings stored and how can
I ship those to another computer?
And don't tell me about Expedia and how cheap Ryan Air is.
>
> it's as easy as it can be.
>
>> >> comp.mobile.ipad is not a mac forum. it is an *ipad* forum where many
>> >> of its participants use windows. there are also many who use macs as
>> >> well. the ipad works with both.
>> >
>> > Quite right. My mistake. But the OP is still trying to utilize his iPad
>> > on different principles from both, not just different from Mac.
>>
>> No. He is simply trying to transfer sound files from his Ipad to his
>> Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
>> wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
>> he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
>> in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
>> when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
>
> the sound files are standard mp3 or aac, so no need to know anything
> about them. any app that can play standard audio files will work.
they are in and how to transfer them to his other computer.
>
>> >>
>> >>>> Linux is more important to Liam than the iPad. He prefers to use it, to
>> >>>> do what *he* wants to do, rather than give in to what Apple dictates.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is not a question of dictation by Mac but of design for syncing. He
>> >>> is free to do whatever works for him but not to entertain unrealistic
>> >>> expectations of how an iPad should be designed.
>>
>> I do not think he particularly wants "syncing". He wants to transfer
>> files.
>
> only because he doesn't understand what syncing offers. he wants to do
> it the hard way.
about the wonders of airline travel.
Why not just tell him what he wants to know, rather than what you
consider "easy" or "wonderful" or whatever. Or perhaps you have no idea
where the corner store is.
William Unruh
Jun 7, 2014, 7:31:22 PM6/7/14
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On 2014-06-07, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Sheesh.
The OS of IPad I think is unix based. You should be able to do a simple
scp or ftp, or whatever. No Gui needed.
So, perhaps to start simply, in which directory/folder are the files
stored. Or don't you know?
joe
Jun 7, 2014, 9:29:30 PM6/7/14
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William Unruh wrote:
>> it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
>
> ??? To copy a file requires itunes or explorer/finder or airdrop?
> Sheesh.
> The OS of IPad I think is unix based. You should be able to do a simple
> scp or ftp, or whatever. No Gui needed.
> So, perhaps to start simply, in which directory/folder are the files
> stored. Or don't you know?
The point you and many others seem to ignore is the the iPad does not expose
>> it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
>
> ??? To copy a file requires itunes or explorer/finder or airdrop?
> Sheesh.
> The OS of IPad I think is unix based. You should be able to do a simple
> scp or ftp, or whatever. No Gui needed.
> So, perhaps to start simply, in which directory/folder are the files
> stored. Or don't you know?
the entire file system. Not from one application to another, and not via the
USB port.
This is part of the sandboxing used for security.
Expecting the iPad to act exactly like a storage device is expecting it to
be something it isn't.
Apple uses iTunes as the tool to manage the iPad externally. It knows how to
interact with the Ipad. A file explorer can only interact with endpoints
that act as a mass storage device, and then, only what those endpoints
expose.
Michelle Steiner
Jun 7, 2014, 10:44:00 PM6/7/14
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In article <ln076v$1nl$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
two-minute walk?
Why do you want to do things the hard way?
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> Now, In what subdirectory/folder are the recordings stored and how can
> I ship those to another computer?
It doesn't matter; why drive to the corner store when all it takes is a
> Now, In what subdirectory/folder are the recordings stored and how can
> I ship those to another computer?
two-minute walk?
Why do you want to do things the hard way?
Michelle Steiner
Jun 7, 2014, 10:44:52 PM6/7/14
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In article <ln076v$1nl$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> Yes, he wants to walk to the corner store. And you keep prattling on
> about the wonders of airline travel.
No, he's trying to drive there when it's easier to walk.
> Yes, he wants to walk to the corner store. And you keep prattling on
> about the wonders of airline travel.
Jolly Roger
Jun 8, 2014, 12:20:49 AM6/8/14
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On 2014-06-07, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2014-06-07, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <lmviiv$qmo$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
>><un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> >>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They
>>> >>>> are basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS.
>>> >>>> But for some strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for
>>> >>> syncing with MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with
>>> >>> Linux. Since he has come on his own to a Mac forum, he is
>>> >>> getting Mac-oriented advice from its members, most of them
>>> >>> polite and helpful.
>>>
>>> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits,
>>> accepting input and producing output. Transfering the files created
>>> by any program should not be difficulty.
>>
>> it's not difficult at all.
>>
>> one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
>> music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically,
>> putting everything in the appropriate places and updating play
>> counts, ratings, etc.
>
> ??? Why in the world would I want to use itunes to transfer a file.
Because iTunes transfers files to and from iPads, which is what you want
> On 2014-06-07, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <lmviiv$qmo$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
>><un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> >>>> The specific tasks are only part of the overall goal here. They
>>> >>>> are basic operations that *ought* to be easy to do with any OS.
>>> >>>> But for some strange reason known only to Apple, they aren't.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The reason isn't strange: it is that the iPad is made for
>>> >>> syncing with MacOS X and Windows, not for drag and drop with
>>> >>> Linux. Since he has come on his own to a Mac forum, he is
>>> >>> getting Mac-oriented advice from its members, most of them
>>> >>> polite and helpful.
>>>
>>> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits,
>>> accepting input and producing output. Transfering the files created
>>> by any program should not be difficulty.
>>
>> it's not difficult at all.
>>
>> one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
>> music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically,
>> putting everything in the appropriate places and updating play
>> counts, ratings, etc.
>
> ??? Why in the world would I want to use itunes to transfer a file.
to do. Like it or not, iOS devices are designed to be used with iTunes.
> Why would I want to use something which will "copy music, videos,
> photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting everything in
> the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings, etc. " when
> all I want to do it to transfer one file from the ipad out to another
> computer?
to do. Like it or not, iOS devices are designed to be used with iTunes.
> It like if I asked for directions to the corner store and
> you started talking about the advantages of airplanes and airline
> companies. Now, In what subdirectory/folder are the recordings stored
> and how can I ship those to another computer? And don't tell me about
> Expedia and how cheap Ryan Air is.
your first sync of content is a 5-minute job, including installation of
iTunes, and less than a minute in subsequent cases. Or put your head
back in the sand and deny the advantages of iTunes and instead spin your
wheels reverse engineering the iPad and hacking a less elegant solution
together.
Jolly Roger
Jun 8, 2014, 12:34:30 AM6/8/14
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On 2014-06-07, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2014-06-07, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <XnsA3458A2C9B1...@127.0.0.1>, Bert
>><be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
>>> > input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
>>> > program should not be difficulty.
>>>
>>> And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
>>> iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
>>>
>>> The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
>>> difficulty of implementing it.
>>
>> they did do that, because copying content is *easier* with ipads than
>> with other devices.
>>
>> it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
>
> ??? To copy a file requires itunes or explorer/finder or airdrop?
> Sheesh.
Yep, and no amount of your ignorant bitching and moaning can change the
>> In article <XnsA3458A2C9B1...@127.0.0.1>, Bert
>><be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
>>> > input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
>>> > program should not be difficulty.
>>>
>>> And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
>>> iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
>>>
>>> The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
>>> difficulty of implementing it.
>>
>> they did do that, because copying content is *easier* with ipads than
>> with other devices.
>>
>> it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
>
> ??? To copy a file requires itunes or explorer/finder or airdrop?
> Sheesh.
fact that it's both fast and simpler than manual file copying. Just
because you have never experienced how much better it is doesn't mean
nobody else on planet Earth has experienced it. And putting your fingers
in your ears while screaming it can't be simpler or easier only makes
you look foolish to those who know better. Wouldn't it be better to
actually genuinely experience both ways before just assuming the one way
you know is best? It would certainly make you appear less foolish.
> The OS of IPad I think is unix based. You should be able to do a simple
> scp or ftp, or whatever. No Gui needed.
But relying on those services and allowing that sort of relatively
uncontrolled access to the file system is neither as robust nor as
secure as the more secure methods Apple has implemented. And the fact
that Apple has designed iOS to rely on more secure access vectors is why
iOS is more secure than other mobile operating systems, and why most
malware isn't written for iOS to begin with.
> So, perhaps to start simply, in which directory/folder are the files
> stored. Or don't you know?
applications are sand boxed, and store their data within subordinate
directories in the /var/mobile/Applications/ directory on the phone. It
is left as an exercise for the OP to go from there.
nospam
Jun 8, 2014, 1:15:10 AM6/8/14
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In article <ln076v$1nl$1...@dont-email.me>, William Unruh
media than you could normally do, along with offering features not
possible otherwise.
> Why
> would I want to use something which will "copy
> music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
> everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts,
> ratings, etc. " when all I want to do it to transfer one file from the
> ipad out to another computer?
because it can happen automatically without you needing to poke through
the file system. let the computer do the work *for* you.
with custom software on both sides of the equation, idevices can be
seamlessly integrated with the host computer, eliminating any need to
manually transfer content (although that option is available) and with
additional functionality. that results in a user experience that is
more straightforward, easier and overall, just a whole lot more
pleasant.
> It like if I asked for directions to the
> corner store and you started talking about the advantages of airplanes
> and airline companies.
no.
it would be if you asked for directions to the corner store and were
told you that you no longer have to go there anymore because supplies
can now be automatically be delivered as needed, without you needing to
check every day if you're low on any of them, and who wants to go out
in the rain or snow anyway and good luck if you go during peak hours.
> Now, In what subdirectory/folder are the recordings stored and how can
> I ship those to another computer?
who cares. let the computer take care of the details *for* you.
when i record something on an idevice, it shows up on my computer in
the media library automatically without me needing to do anything extra
to get it there, as it should be.
> And don't tell me about Expedia and how cheap Ryan Air is.
what does that have to do with anything?
> >> No. He is simply trying to transfer sound files from his Ipad to his
> >> Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
> >> wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
> >> he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
> >> in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
> >> when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
> >
> > the sound files are standard mp3 or aac, so no need to know anything
> > about them. any app that can play standard audio files will work.
>
> He does not want an app to play them. He wants to know which directory
> they are in and how to transfer them to his other computer.
ultimately, he wants to play them and will need an app to do that.
otherwise, why bother at all?
> >> I do not think he particularly wants "syncing". He wants to transfer
> >> files.
> >
> > only because he doesn't understand what syncing offers. he wants to do
> > it the hard way.
>
> Yes, he wants to walk to the corner store. And you keep prattling on
> about the wonders of airline travel.
nope. i'm pointing out that it's the old and inefficient way of doing
things.
> Why not just tell him what he wants to know, rather than what you
> consider "easy" or "wonderful" or whatever. Or perhaps you have no idea
> where the corner store is.
i did tell him what he wants to know and on more than one occasion.
i also told him that there are *far* easier ways to do what he wants to
do.
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> >> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
> >> should not be difficulty.
> >
> > it's not difficult at all.
> >
> > one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
> > music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
> > everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings,
> > etc.
>
> ??? Why in the world would I want to use itunes to transfer a file.
because it does a much better job of transferring content and managing
> >> Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> >> input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any program
> >> should not be difficulty.
> >
> > it's not difficult at all.
> >
> > one click in itunes (or no click if configured) and itunes will copy
> > music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
> > everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts, ratings,
> > etc.
>
> ??? Why in the world would I want to use itunes to transfer a file.
media than you could normally do, along with offering features not
possible otherwise.
> Why
> would I want to use something which will "copy
> music, videos, photos, books, contacts and more automatically, putting
> everything in the appropriate places and updating play counts,
> ratings, etc. " when all I want to do it to transfer one file from the
> ipad out to another computer?
the file system. let the computer do the work *for* you.
with custom software on both sides of the equation, idevices can be
seamlessly integrated with the host computer, eliminating any need to
manually transfer content (although that option is available) and with
additional functionality. that results in a user experience that is
more straightforward, easier and overall, just a whole lot more
pleasant.
> It like if I asked for directions to the
> corner store and you started talking about the advantages of airplanes
> and airline companies.
it would be if you asked for directions to the corner store and were
told you that you no longer have to go there anymore because supplies
can now be automatically be delivered as needed, without you needing to
check every day if you're low on any of them, and who wants to go out
in the rain or snow anyway and good luck if you go during peak hours.
> Now, In what subdirectory/folder are the recordings stored and how can
> I ship those to another computer?
when i record something on an idevice, it shows up on my computer in
the media library automatically without me needing to do anything extra
to get it there, as it should be.
> And don't tell me about Expedia and how cheap Ryan Air is.
> >> No. He is simply trying to transfer sound files from his Ipad to his
> >> Linux machine. Sound files are just files. Bytes on a storage medium. He
> >> wants to know how he can determine where those bytes are stored and how
> >> he can transfer them. I suppose knowing the format that they are stored
> >> in would also be helpful so that he can convert those bytes into sounds
> >> when he gets them onto his Linux machine.
> >
> > the sound files are standard mp3 or aac, so no need to know anything
> > about them. any app that can play standard audio files will work.
>
> He does not want an app to play them. He wants to know which directory
> they are in and how to transfer them to his other computer.
otherwise, why bother at all?
> >> I do not think he particularly wants "syncing". He wants to transfer
> >> files.
> >
> > only because he doesn't understand what syncing offers. he wants to do
> > it the hard way.
>
> Yes, he wants to walk to the corner store. And you keep prattling on
> about the wonders of airline travel.
things.
> Why not just tell him what he wants to know, rather than what you
> consider "easy" or "wonderful" or whatever. Or perhaps you have no idea
> where the corner store is.
i also told him that there are *far* easier ways to do what he wants to
do.
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an ftp client or something else. it doesn't matter. they're all apps.
itunes is designed for managing media and does a *much* better job than
a general purpose tool such as explorer or finder and certainly a
command line ftp app, which you suggest below.
itunes is also designed to sync content with features not possible with
a generic file manager.
what you're asking for is *less* functionality, which requires more
effort from the user to do. what's the point in that?? users want
functionality and simplicity.
> Sheesh.
> The OS of IPad I think is unix based. You should be able to do a simple
> scp or ftp, or whatever. No Gui needed.
seriously? do you really think that a mass market device needs an ftp
interface, and a command line one at that??
plus, the fact that it's unix based is an implementation detail. users
never see that, nor should they. developers don't even deal with it on
that level.
> So, perhaps to start simply, in which directory/folder are the files
> stored. Or don't you know?
i know exactly what's stored and where but none of that matters, even
to developers.
users just want things to just work with minimal fuss, not dig into the
internals of the system or muck around with command line ftp clients of
all things, just to listen to a song or watch a video.
the goal is copying content, and technology can do that *for* you so
why not let it?
why make things difficult?
<un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> > Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> >> > input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
> >> > program should not be difficulty.
> >>
> >> And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
> >> iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
> >>
> >> The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
> >> difficulty of implementing it.
> >
> > they did do that, because copying content is *easier* with ipads than
> > with other devices.
> >
> > it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
>
> ??? To copy a file requires itunes or explorer/finder or airdrop?
copying a file requires an app, whether it's explorer, finder, itunes,
> >> > Tha IPad is a computer which is made for manipulating bits, accepting
> >> > input and producing output. Transfering the files created by any
> >> > program should not be difficulty.
> >>
> >> And if the people responsible for the marketing and manufacture of the
> >> iPad thought it was a desireable feature, they'd implement it.
> >>
> >> The availability of a feature usually has nothing to do with the
> >> difficulty of implementing it.
> >
> > they did do that, because copying content is *easier* with ipads than
> > with other devices.
> >
> > it just requires itunes rather than windows explorer/finder, or airdrop.
>
> ??? To copy a file requires itunes or explorer/finder or airdrop?
an ftp client or something else. it doesn't matter. they're all apps.
itunes is designed for managing media and does a *much* better job than
a general purpose tool such as explorer or finder and certainly a
command line ftp app, which you suggest below.
itunes is also designed to sync content with features not possible with
a generic file manager.
what you're asking for is *less* functionality, which requires more
effort from the user to do. what's the point in that?? users want
functionality and simplicity.
> Sheesh.
> The OS of IPad I think is unix based. You should be able to do a simple
> scp or ftp, or whatever. No Gui needed.
interface, and a command line one at that??
plus, the fact that it's unix based is an implementation detail. users
never see that, nor should they. developers don't even deal with it on
that level.
> So, perhaps to start simply, in which directory/folder are the files
> stored. Or don't you know?
to developers.
users just want things to just work with minimal fuss, not dig into the
internals of the system or muck around with command line ftp clients of
all things, just to listen to a song or watch a video.
the goal is copying content, and technology can do that *for* you so
why not let it?
why make things difficult?
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