What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?

[Horst H Schneider]

What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?

In a separate post I'll paste my handwritten installation guides I hacked
out for the two that I know of.
1. Opera
2. Tor Browser Bundle

But the question here is only of what else exists other than those two?

Are there any other free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based web browsers
(although they are sometimes erroneously also called "VPN-based" browsers
by their marketing organizations) for Linux?

Note that I'm not asking about the myriad proxy web sites which are a dime
a dozen as those proxy web sites are something completely different than
what I'm asking for, which is a browser whose every tab is proxied by
default by the browser manufacturer.

I'm asking about free unlimited bandwidth "integrated" proxy-based
browsers, which are rare (and which use a given browser-based proxy for all
web pages you visit).

I realize Tor is not the same as proxy which isn't the same as vpn but this
isn't a semantic thread. It's a quest to determine which integrated-proxy
based browsers exist for Ubuntu 17.10, other than Opera & Tor.

Note that Epic works on Windows but we're not talking Wine nor emulation
but only of native browsers on Ubuntu.

What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?

[Horst H Schneider]

Horst H Schneider had written:

> In a separate post I'll paste my handwritten installation guides I hacked
> out for the two that I know of.
> 1. Opera
> 2. Tor Browser Bundle
>
> But the question here is only of what else exists other than those two?

Here is a short installation guide I hacked out for Opera, where I'm sure
there are better, newer, or different ways, but this is what I used.

1. Determine the latest Opera deb file path for your Linux distribution:
http://download4.operacdn.com/ftp/pub/opera/desktop/desktop

2. Based on that link, the current latest path is version 48.0.2685.50:

http://get.geo.opera.com/ftp/pub/opera/desktop/desktop/48.0.2685.50/linux/opera-stable_48.0.2685.50_amd64.deb

3. You'll note the deb file in your Downloads directory, for example:
~/Downloads/software/opera-stable_48.0.2685.50_amd64.deb

4. The Opera software repository uses https, so we need to install
the apt-transport-https package.

sudo apt install apt-transport-https libcurl3

5. And then use dpkg to install Opera:

sudo dpkg -i opera-stable*.deb

The question here is only of what else exists other than Opera & TBB?

[Horst H Schneider]

Horst H Schneider had written:

> The question here is only of what else exists other than Opera & TBB?

I had a lot of trouble with the built-in Tor update on Ubuntu 17.10 so I
gave up on it as it wouldn't run, and installed it manually using these
steps.

1. Obtain and save the Tor Browser Bundle to ~/Downloads/.
https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en#downloads

2. Note the file location:
~/Downloads/tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_en-US.tar.xz
69056988 May 12 14:21 tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_en-US.tar.xz

3. If you actually want to extract the archive in your Downloads folder,
you can then do so. However, the Tor Browser Bundle doesn't really
install. It unpacks to a directory full of files, and you just run
it from there. So I suggest unpacking it somewhere more suitable.
I would probably put it straight in my home directory:

mkdir ~/bin
cd ~/bin
tar xf ~/Downloads/tor-browser-linux64-7.5.4_en-US.tar.xz

4. That command created a single directory in your bin directory:
~/bin/tor-browser_en-US/

Inside that directory is a file called start-tor-browser.desktop,
which works as a launcher for starting the program graphically.
cat ~/bin/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop

To run that command for the first time & put it in menus, run:
cd ~/bin/tor-browser_en-US/
./start-tor-browser.desktop --register-app

You should see something like:
Launching './Browser/start-tor-browser --detach --register-app'...
Tor Browser has been registered as a desktop app for this user in
~/.local/share/applications/

5. Click on the bottom left series of six dots and right click
on one of the multiple Tor Browser icons to add to your desktop menu.

6. Left click on the newly added Tor Browser Bundle in your desktop menu
which will start the Tor Browser Bundle.

[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-12, Horst H Schneider <schneider...@arcor.de> wrote:
> What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?
>
> In a separate post I'll paste my handwritten installation guides I hacked
> out for the two that I know of.
> 1. Opera
> 2. Tor Browser Bundle

Uh, bandwidth is determined by your ISP not your browser.

You can get or sign up for pseudo vpn browser -- for example Tunnelbear on
chrome of other browser is free.

>
> But the question here is only of what else exists other than those two?
>
> Are there any other free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based web browsers
> (although they are sometimes erroneously also called "VPN-based" browsers
> by their marketing organizations) for Linux?
>
> Note that I'm not asking about the myriad proxy web sites which are a dime
> a dozen as those proxy web sites are something completely different than
> what I'm asking for, which is a browser whose every tab is proxied by
> default by the browser manufacturer.
>
> I'm asking about free unlimited bandwidth "integrated" proxy-based
> browsers, which are rare (and which use a given browser-based proxy for all
> web pages you visit).
>
> I realize Tor is not the same as proxy which isn't the same as vpn but this
> isn't a semantic thread. It's a quest to determine which integrated-proxy

Uh, semantics is important if you want to get your meaning across, which you
are failing at in your floundering.
And Opera is just a browser.

[Horst H Schneider]

William Unruh had written:

> You can get or sign up for pseudo vpn browser -- for example Tunnelbear on
> chrome of other browser is free.

Thanks for suggesting "tunnelbear on chrome" where, without looking it up,
I'm initially not sure what that means, since it's clear that I'm not at
all asking about a VPN solution unless that VPN is free, unlimited, and
integrated into the browser (where if the proxy is not integrated into the
browser, then it's just a VPN which is a completely different question than
I'm asking).

Since I always thought TunnelBear was a crippled VPN solution I looked it
up just now, where, unfortunately, TunnelBear does seem to be a crippleware
product.
"TunnelBear offers 500MB of free monthly data usage"
https://besttopvpn.com/use-tunnelbear-vpn-chrome-firefox/

Given TunnelBear is apparently crippleware, it's not going to work, but I
am confused why it has ANYTHING to do with the browser, since that page
says:
"Tunnel Bear extensions are made to be only work in the browser"
Where I'm not sure why, since it's just a VPN, and VPN works with anything.

Apparently, what this TunnelBear crippleware is, is an extension to the
browser, which somehow adds the VPN "just" to the browser (which, I posit,
is really a proxy, but let's not worry about silly semantics).

The fact that it's crippleware is the problem with TunnelBear, unless I
read that reference wrong.

But you have the right idea, which is the same thing as TunnelBear, but
without the crippling limits on free bandwidth.

> Uh, semantics is important if you want to get your meaning across, which you
> are failing at in your floundering.

I apologize if I didn't get the question across, where I'm very familiar
with the concept that people only look for keywords and then they have an
established response to just those keywords, instead of to the actual
question.

It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about crippleware.
It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about proxy web sites.
It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about VPN solutions.
It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm seeking a free solution.

Two solutions that work just fine, are Opera and Tor Browser.
I'm only asking if there are others (like Epic, which works only in
Windows) for Linux.

> And Opera is just a browser.

Opera is VPN enabled. You hit the switch. And you're on VPN.
This has been the case for years, so the point is that it's not just a
browser.

Opera is an integrated proxy/browser solution which is free, and unlimited
bandwidth, unlike, say, TunnelBear, which is an extension which can
integrate into Chrome (which is fine) but which is crippleware (so it does
not fit the unlimited bandwidth criteria).

I have been using the integrated-proxy browsers on Windows, iOS, Android
and Linux for years, where my only request here is to ask if others know of
any other free unlimited bandwidth integrated-proxy browsers exist for
Ubuntu Linux other than Opera and the Tor Browser Bundle?

[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-13, Horst H Schneider <schneider...@arcor.de> wrote:
> William Unruh had written:
>
>> You can get or sign up for pseudo vpn browser -- for example Tunnelbear on
>> chrome of other browser is free.
>
> Thanks for suggesting "tunnelbear on chrome" where, without looking it up,
> I'm initially not sure what that means, since it's clear that I'm not at
> all asking about a VPN solution unless that VPN is free, unlimited, and
> integrated into the browser (where if the proxy is not integrated into the
> browser, then it's just a VPN which is a completely different question than
> I'm asking).

Since it is extremely hard to know what you want.
Tunnelbear has VPN for money (which routes ALL traffic, not just http, though
the vpn. It also has a free browser based service which routes http traffic
through the proxy.

>
> Since I always thought TunnelBear was a crippled VPN solution I looked it
> up just now, where, unfortunately, TunnelBear does seem to be a crippleware
> product.
> "TunnelBear offers 500MB of free monthly data usage"
> https://besttopvpn.com/use-tunnelbear-vpn-chrome-firefox/
>
> Given TunnelBear is apparently crippleware, it's not going to work, but I
> am confused why it has ANYTHING to do with the browser, since that page
> says:
> "Tunnel Bear extensions are made to be only work in the browser"
> Where I'm not sure why, since it's just a VPN, and VPN works with anything.

Because they have two different products. As I recall from a couple of years
ago, the browser based stuff did not have a limit, but my memory could be bad,
or they could have changed.

>
> Apparently, what this TunnelBear crippleware is, is an extension to the
> browser, which somehow adds the VPN "just" to the browser (which, I posit,
> is really a proxy, but let's not worry about silly semantics).
>
> The fact that it's crippleware is the problem with TunnelBear, unless I
> read that reference wrong.

No idea what you mean by crippleware.

>
> But you have the right idea, which is the same thing as TunnelBear, but
> without the crippling limits on free bandwidth.

Depends on what you want I guess.

>
>> Uh, semantics is important if you want to get your meaning across, which you
>> are failing at in your floundering.
>
> I apologize if I didn't get the question across, where I'm very familiar
> with the concept that people only look for keywords and then they have an
> established response to just those keywords, instead of to the actual
> question.
>
> It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about crippleware.

Whatever crippleware is.

[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-13, Horst H Schneider <schneider...@arcor.de> wrote:
> William Unruh had written:
>
>> You can get or sign up for pseudo vpn browser -- for example Tunnelbear on
>> chrome of other browser is free.
>
> Thanks for suggesting "tunnelbear on chrome" where, without looking it up,
> I'm initially not sure what that means, since it's clear that I'm not at
> all asking about a VPN solution unless that VPN is free, unlimited, and
> integrated into the browser (where if the proxy is not integrated into the
> browser, then it's just a VPN which is a completely different question than
> I'm asking).
>
> Since I always thought TunnelBear was a crippled VPN solution I looked it
> up just now, where, unfortunately, TunnelBear does seem to be a crippleware
> product.
> "TunnelBear offers 500MB of free monthly data usage"
> https://besttopvpn.com/use-tunnelbear-vpn-chrome-firefox/

I think you are talking about their Little VPN solution not the browser
version. The Little VPN is limited to 500MB. I can see nothing on the
Tunnelbear site that says that the browser extention has that limit.

>
> Given TunnelBear is apparently crippleware, it's not going to work, but I
> am confused why it has ANYTHING to do with the browser, since that page
> says:
> "Tunnel Bear extensions are made to be only work in the browser"
> Where I'm not sure why, since it's just a VPN, and VPN works with anything.
>
> Apparently, what this TunnelBear crippleware is, is an extension to the
> browser, which somehow adds the VPN "just" to the browser (which, I posit,
> is really a proxy, but let's not worry about silly semantics).

No Tunnelbear is a full VPN. they have three versions. a 500MB free a $10/mo
and the $70/yr.

The browser extention I can find nothing that says it is limited.

But ask them.

[Jasen Betts]

On 2018-05-12, William Unruh <un...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-05-12, Horst H Schneider <schneider...@arcor.de> wrote:
>> What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?
>

> Uh, bandwidth is determined by your ISP not your browser.

Windows has lots of crippleware, there's not so much of that on linux.
many distros refuse to distribute crippleware which makes it hard for
the publishers.

--
ت

[Grant Taylor]

On 05/12/2018 05:01 PM, Horst H Schneider wrote:
> What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?

Just about every single web browser that I've tried under Linux (and
other OSs) support proxies. Most support both HTTP(S) and / or SOCKS
proxies.

> Are there any other free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based web browsers
> (although they are sometimes erroneously also called "VPN-based" browsers
> by their marketing organizations) for Linux?

IMHO VPNs are something completely different than proxies (HTTP(S) or
SOCKS).

Do you really care which technology is used? Proxy or VPN?

I get the impression that you are wanting your web browser traffic to
emerge onto the Internet away from where you are at. (What ever your
motivation is.)

To be completely honest, the combination of what you have asked, the way
that you have asked it, and the restrictions you have put on it make me
question the legitimacy / legality / ethicality of the motivation behind
your question(s).

> Note that I'm not asking about the myriad proxy web sites which are a
> dime a dozen as those proxy web sites are something completely different
> than what I'm asking for, which is a browser whose every tab is proxied

(Effectively) every browser that I've tried can proxy all the traffic.
Depending on the type of proxy and / or configuration, this can include
DNS traffic or not.

> by default by the browser manufacturer.

By default is a sticking point.

I highly doubt that many browsers (other than the TOR browser or similar
security specific browser) will do this by default.

Capability to do something is completely different from if it's done by
default or not.

Also, defaults can change over time. You may be protected today, but
tomorrow's update may leave you vulnerable when relying on "by default".

> I'm asking about free unlimited bandwidth "integrated" proxy-based
> browsers, which are rare (and which use a given browser-based proxy for
> all web pages you visit).

Again, (effectively) all web browsers that I've used can do this.

The catch is if the proxy service you're using charges, and if it's
enabled by default.

> I realize Tor is not the same as proxy which isn't the same as vpn

The last time I looked, everything about TOR *WAS* a proxy.
Specifically it was a SOCKS (5) proxy.

It may be that the TOR browser brings along (or integrates) the TOR
client and automatically configured the browser to use the SOCKS proxy
by default.

But that is none the less a SOCKS proxy.

> but this isn't a semantic thread.

But it is.

The very nature of what and how you're asking is blurring our blatantly
crossing lines willy-nilly.

You MUST clarify the semantics of what you are asking.

Unless you are purposefully asking such vague questions.

> It's a quest to determine which integrated-proxy based browsers exist
> for Ubuntu 17.10, other than Opera & Tor.

I feel like you are looking for a hyper specific union of multiple sets.
And that you've put so much energy into forming the hyper specific
requirements that it seems like you've done so with a purpose or an
agenda with a point to prove. Almost as if you're working on a research
paper or marketing trying to prove that Opera and TOR are the only
options for this.

I also feel like if you had put 10% of your effort into actually making
very minor modifications to 90% of the web browsers that you would have
more choices to choose from than you could say in one breath.

> Note that Epic works on Windows but we're not talking Wine nor emulation
> but only of native browsers on Ubuntu.

Again, every browser that I've tried on Ubuntu will happily work with a
proxy or a VPN.

> What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?

Combining client (what browser) with the service (unlimited bandwidth
proxy service) is the wrong question.

Your question seems equally as invalid as asking "What blue vehicle can
haul lumber from a store that isn't a lumber yard at night when it has
stopped raining and there is a wolf baying at the moon?"



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

[Grant Taylor]

On 05/12/2018 06:31 PM, Horst H Schneider wrote:
> Since I always thought TunnelBear was a crippled VPN solution I looked
> it up just now, where, unfortunately, TunnelBear does seem to be a
> crippleware product.

What do you mean by a "crippleware product"?

I have used TunnelBear on multiple occasions and there is no difference
in the functionality of the free version (which does include a bandwidth
limit) and non-free versions (which are unlimited).

Both account types will do the exact same thing. The only difference is
1) the number of MB that you can send through it, and the number of $
that you spend.

Also, you can get an extra GB of traffic for free just by mentioning
(tagging) TunnelBear on Twitter. (Granted, they need to be able to
associate your Twitter account with your TunnelBear account to give you
credit.

So there are three levels of bandwidth you can have with TunnelBear; .5
GB, 1.5 GB, and unlimited GB. All three of which use an /identicle/
configuration on the client. Quite literally, you can sign up with the
free version to get 500 MB, then mention TunnelBear and you gain an
extra 1000 MB, and finally subscribe to their service and get unlimited
traffic through them. All the while /nothing/ changes on the client
machine.

So, the software and configuration on the machine are EXACTLY the same.
The difference is what the account is allowed to do.

So how praytel is the client different between the? (Hint: It isn't)

Aside: I'm replacing every subsequent reference to TB being crippled
with it being metered.

> Given TunnelBear is apparently *metered*, it's not going to work,

You forgot to say "for you".

That is a fair opinion / decision to make.

But that does not preclude it from working for other people.

> but I am confused why it has ANYTHING to do with the browser, since that
> page says:
> "Tunnel Bear extensions are made to be only work in the browser"
> Where I'm not sure why, since it's just a VPN, and VPN works with
> anything.

I don't recall how TunnelBear actually works. It may really be multiple
different methods. But there we go getting into the minutia or
semantics, which you say you want to avoid. So we effectively can't get
into how it works and where it works or not.

> Apparently, what this TunnelBear … is, is an extension to

> the browser, which somehow adds the VPN "just" to the browser (which,
> I posit, is really a proxy, but let's not worry about silly semantics).

The last time I used TunnelBear, it was a client that ran on the machine
and protected everything the machine did.

It may be that TunnelBear also offers a browser extension that functions
more like a proxy and does not require changing anything system wide.

> The fact that it's *metered* is … your … problem with TunnelBear, unless

> I read that reference wrong.

You are discounting other services that TunnelBear provides.

> But you have the right idea, which is the same thing as TunnelBear,

> but without the *metered* limits on free bandwidth.

I'd be very curious to know about, and be EXTREMELY suspicious of,
services that offered unlimited traffic through a VPN or proxy service.

Businesses are in business for the purpose of making money. So, there
has to be something that the business gains by allowing you to use their
service.

Maybe the service is data mining everything that you do. Or maybe they
are injecting ads into your traffic. Or doing other unsavory things.

> I apologize if I didn't get the question across, where I'm very familiar
> with the concept that people only look for keywords and then they have
> an established response to just those keywords, instead of to the actual
> question.

There are knee jerk responses.

There are other people that try to parse seemingly unparseable or
otherwise unanswerable questions in the hopes that their response will
help the person asking the question. There's a chance that it may not
be the exact answer, but it is a good faith answer.

> It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about *metered* solution.

;-)

> It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about proxy web sites.
> It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm not asking about VPN solutions.

I disagree on the clarity or how clear it should be.

Do you really care what technology is used between the web browser and
the service if it meets all other requirements?

I mean are you really going to turn down a solution that implements an
SSL based VPN between the browser and a service just because it's a VPN
and not a proxy? Or vice versa?

Or, are you really and truly wanting an HTTP(S) proxy that you can use
for something other than a web browser that you want to not speak of,
and as such are pretending to ask about a web browser.

> It's clear (or should be clear) that I'm seeking a free solution.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. There is *ALWAYS* /some/ cost to
it. It may not be in dollars. It may be time, frustration, personal
information, or something else. But there is a cost to someone. And
that someone is almost always you, the client.

> Two solutions that work just fine, are Opera and Tor Browser. I'm only
> asking if there are others (like Epic, which works only in Windows)
> for Linux.

You stated above that you're not asking about a VPN, yet the Opera
browser is using a VPN. One that just happens to be built into the
Opera web browser.

Also, why is Opera footing the expense for the VPN? What are they
getting out of it the deal?

> Opera is VPN enabled. You hit the switch. And you're on VPN. This has
> been the case for years, so the point is that it's not just a browser.

Wait a minute. I thought you said that you wanted it to be "by
default". Hitting a switch is decidedly NOT "by default".

If you're willing to hit one switch, are you willing to hit two or three
to initially configure something and then use one click thereafter?

These are the semantics that you say that you aren't willing to get
into. But they MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

This is why I feel like you are being purposefully obtuse or otherwise
have an agenda.

> Opera is an integrated proxy/browser

Wait. FULL STOP!

Opera is using an integrated VPN.

Quoting from https://www.opera.com/computer/linux "…unlimited, free VPN
feature."

Quoting from https://www.opera.com/computer/features/free-vpn "…Our
free, built-in VPN…".

Aren't semantics a bitch? }:-)

> solution which is free, and unlimited bandwidth, unlike, say, TunnelBear,
> which is an extension which can integrate into Chrome (which is fine)

> but which is *metered* (so it does not fit the unlimited bandwidth
> criteria).

As previously stated, TunnelBear does have an unlimited subscription.

You have chosen to exclude it from your list. (For what ever reason.)

> I have been using the integrated-proxy browsers on Windows, iOS, Android
> and Linux for years, where my only request here is to ask if others know
> of any other free unlimited bandwidth integrated-proxy browsers exist
> for Ubuntu Linux other than Opera and the Tor Browser Bundle?

Every web browser that I've used on iOS supports proxy servers too. You
just have to find a suitable proxy server / service to use and configure
it to do so.

Every web browser that I've used on Windows and Linux also supports a
proxy (or VPN). Again, you just have to find a suitable proxy server /
service to use and configure it to do so.

Since you've indicated that you're okay with "hitting the switch" in
Opera, you've shown that you're okay with something that's not the
default solution. So the question become how much that is non-default
are you willing to tolerate.

If you want someone else do to all the work for you, you'll find that
there aren't many solutions that fall into your hyper specific niche.
Conversely if you're willing to do a moderate amount of work (like
configuring the browser to use a proxy), you'll find a lot more
solutions. If you're willing to do even more, then the sky is the limit.

[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-13, Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> On 05/12/2018 06:31 PM, Horst H Schneider wrote:
>> Since I always thought TunnelBear was a crippled VPN solution I looked
>> it up just now, where, unfortunately, TunnelBear does seem to be a
>> crippleware product.
>
> What do you mean by a "crippleware product"?

He means that if the product has limitations it is "crippleware". He is trying
hard to use pejorative language instead of just stating what he wants.

I do agree that his approach makes one question whether he does not want
answers.

>
> I have used TunnelBear on multiple occasions and there is no difference
> in the functionality of the free version (which does include a bandwidth
> limit) and non-free versions (which are unlimited).
>
> Both account types will do the exact same thing. The only difference is
> 1) the number of MB that you can send through it, and the number of $
> that you spend.

For him a $ means "crippleware".

>
> Also, you can get an extra GB of traffic for free just by mentioning
> (tagging) TunnelBear on Twitter. (Granted, they need to be able to
> associate your Twitter account with your TunnelBear account to give you
> credit.

Actually it is not clear to me that the free browser extention falls under he
.5GB limit.

[William Unruh]

I just wrote to Tunnnelbear asking "Are there limits on the Tunnelbear Chrome
extention, like limits on how muchcan be downloaded?"
Their ressponse was
"There are no limits with the chrome extension or any of our apps, data wise."

[Grant Taylor]

On 05/13/2018 07:34 AM, William Unruh wrote:
> "There are no limits with the chrome extension or any of our apps,
> data wise."

Hum.

I find it odd that they didn't mention the 500 MB cap on the free
account in some manner.

It makes me wonder what else like that might not have been accounted for.

Having worked with TunnelBear a number of times, I'm sure it's
miscommunications and not deceptive intent.

[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-13, Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

> On 05/13/2018 07:34 AM, William Unruh wrote:
>> "There are no limits with the chrome extension or any of our apps,
>> data wise."
>
> Hum.
>
> I find it odd that they didn't mention the 500 MB cap on the free
> account in some manner.

What it tells me is that you are misinterpreting their offereings.
The browser stuff is separate from their VPN offereings. They have a little
bear fee vpn which is limited to 500MB. Their browser stuff is DIFFERENT from
their vpn offereings. That was why I wrote to them to clarify this difference.
And they say : there are no limits to the browser downloads.

>
> It makes me wonder what else like that might not have been accounted for.
>
> Having worked with TunnelBear a number of times, I'm sure it's
> miscommunications and not deceptive intent.

Or miinterpretation on your part. Where have you found Tunnelbear stating that
they have a limit on the browser product (NOt the VPN product)


>
>
>

[Chris]

On 13/05/2018 06:35, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-05-13, Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>> On 05/12/2018 06:31 PM, Horst H Schneider wrote:
>>> Since I always thought TunnelBear was a crippled VPN solution I looked
>>> it up just now, where, unfortunately, TunnelBear does seem to be a
>>> crippleware product.
>>
>> What do you mean by a "crippleware product"?
>
> He means that if the product has limitations it is "crippleware". He is trying
> hard to use pejorative language instead of just stating what he wants.
>
> I do agree that his approach makes one question whether he does not want
> answers.

He doesn't. He's a nym-shifting troll that frequents many ngs (mac,
android, iphone and windows) and likes to start petty arguments with
so-called questions. Best to just killfile him.

[Steve Carroll]

His dream is to see Andre G. Isaak annoyed by the spraying of the groups outside. And hey, that could work. Regardless of my strong knowledge of Forth, I still continue to install it for those who've had complications with macOS.

Gee, imagine jacobnavia trying to pin his gobbledegook on me, no one has ever seen that before.

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[Horst H Schneider]

William Unruh had written:

> And they say : there are no limits to the browser downloads.

Thank you for clarifying that the TunnelBear browser extension is:
a. A free proxy/vpn (they're different, but marketing people mix them up)
b. No bandwidth limits

I believe you, and I thank you for trying to improve the overall knowledge
of the group by adding to the existing well-known list a new choice:
1. Tor Browser Bundle
2. Opera VPN/Proxy Browser
3. TunnelBear Extensions in Chrome
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/13/tunnelbear-launches-vpn-extension-for-chrome/

I will test it out in Ubuntu 17.10 and let people know what I find out.
(I don't use normally ever use Chrome, for obvious privacy reasons, so I
hope TunnelBear works with Chromium privacy-based variants.)

Thanks for that great suggestion & sorry for the confusion about freeware.

[Horst H Schneider]

Grant Taylor had written:

> IMHO VPNs are something completely different than proxies (HTTP(S) or
> SOCKS).

You know that. I know that. We all know that.

But tell that to the marketing people who promote the proxy-based browsers.

For example, look at this "Free VPN in the Opera browser" marketing!
https://www.opera.com/computer/features/free-vpn
https://www.bestvpn.com/opera-browser-free-vpn-review/

Or Epic.
https://www.epicbrowser.com/

Or any search result for privacy-based browsers:
http://download.cnet.com/s/epic-vpn-browser/

I don't want to waste time and energy to discuss whether it's vpn or proxy
because we ALL know the difference but nobody who is advertising them seems
to make the distinction and the distinction doesn't matter anyway since all
I want is three things out of the browser:

a. Random IP address
b. Encryption
c. Integration with the proxy/vpn (for all tabs, all web sites)

At the moment, the only three known solutions that fit the simple
requirements are these.
A. Tor Browser Bundle
B. Opera VPN Browser
C. TunnelBear Chrome Extensions
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/13/tunnelbear-launches-vpn-extension-for-chrome/

[Horst H Schneider]

Horst H Schneider had written:

> I will test it out in Ubuntu 17.10 and let people know what I find out.

There's confusing information so I'll just state the confusion below.

I read the privacy policy at the Ghacks site which directly contradicts
what people found out by contacting TunnelBear so it's confusing.

Here's the privacy policy:
https://www.tunnelbear.com/privacy-policy

Here's what Ghacks said about the product in 2015:
"The installation works without issues but when you try to connect
to the VPN you will notice that this does not work. The reason for
this is that you need to create an account first on the TunnelBear
website before you can start to use the extension.

The free version limits bandwidth to 250 Megabyte per month which
is not a lot even if you avoid loading large sites or media pages.
If you confirm your email address, you get 500 Megabyte of additional
data."
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/13/tunnelbear-launches-vpn-extension-for-chrome/

[Steve Carroll]

With no support at all, as is usual for Richard Heathfield.

Just brainless trolling. And I am responding to that trolling. THAT is what the "Richard Heathfield circus" is. Richard Heathfield's stupefying "troubleshooting skills" diverted his attention from a component he needs that The Flying Spaghetti Monster found in under a minute for C+. The only thing broken here is Richard Heathfield. What were you thinking?

How Richard Heathfield decides when to use the annoying flood script to best emulate the style of The Flying Spaghetti Monster's posts http://usenet.sandman.net/misc/snit_flood. Honestly, what lie?

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[Wildman]

Yep, he has been around for quite awhile using several
different nyms. The writing style is the give away.
It is always the same.

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[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-14, Horst H Schneider <schneider...@arcor.de> wrote:

Uh, perhaps you should listen to the Tunnel Bear people before you listen to
some old third party. Or ask them directly rather than vent your confusion to
a newsgroup.

Support Bear <sup...@tunnelbear.com>

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Too much glue for you, Gluey. You can say I am a monkey wrench for all I care. Lewis doesn't have any idea what he is crying about. The complete farce is brimming of unbelievable cracks and counts heavily on Lewis's 'liberal education' claim. You wanting something false to be true does not make it true. You likely think Gnome handles the desktop well. Nope. Not compared to anything else, really. So, yeah, I buy into my own fantasy, fully knowing it's fake, because it makes me reconsider my script, improving it.

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[William Unruh]

Except of course, now that I asked them more specifically, if you are a free
user, Ie, a user without a subscription, the limit IS 500MB/mo. (I wrote them
again. They were confused by the generic and the specific. I am a subscriber
and so I guess they answered that MY use was unlimited without saying that. I
must say that their explanations both on the web site and to me were somewhat
confusing.
Sorry to mislead you.

[Horst H Schneider]

William Unruh had written:

> Except of course, now that I asked them more specifically, if you are a free
> user, Ie, a user without a subscription, the limit IS 500MB/mo. (I wrote them
> again. They were confused by the generic and the specific. I am a subscriber
> and so I guess they answered that MY use was unlimited without saying that. I
> must say that their explanations both on the web site and to me were somewhat
> confusing.
> Sorry to mislead you.

Thanks William Unruh for understanding the problem set, where I always
*understood* and *believed* you, but where there was also just as reliable
conflicting information, which I also understood and believed.

It's natural to ask for clarification when two reliable sources tell you
two completely different answers, so I respect your response (as you should
also respect mine).

It's NICE to know that this potential TunnelBear/Chrome solution exists,
but it's not even close to the same privacy functionality as is Tor and
Opera on Linux (and add Epic on Windows, and Orbot/Orfox on Android, and
add Onion for iOS).

The advantages you know of already, but the flaws (by way of comparison)
a) It's not free unlimited (it's free limited)
b) It requires an email address (which is a privacy issue to overcome)
c) It uses Chrome (which itself is a privacy issue to overcome)
d) When it cost money, paying is yet another privacy issue to overcome.

The Opera and Tor solutions have NONE of those flaws.

To be fair, and open minded, TunnelBear might work with a privacy-based
Chromium variant though, and it might work with a completely bogus email,
and one can find ways to pay without giving away your privacy, but even if
all those privacy issues were overcome, TunnelBear is still limited so it
doesn't meet even the subject-line base criteria.

But I do thank you for hazarding a solution since I wouldn't have asked if
I didn't know the question is a difficult one to answer - so I need the
help of others to find a new solution for everyone to use.

TunnelBear aside, I'm still hoping the folks here could help us find a
THIRD solution that fits the simple privacy and cost (which is partly
privacy) goals which are very common and not surprising.

What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?

(other than Tor and Opera)

[Horst H Schneider]

Horst H Schneider had written:

> At the moment, the only three known solutions that fit the simple
> requirements are these.
> A. Tor Browser Bundle
> B. Opera VPN Browser
> C. TunnelBear Chrome Extensions
> https://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/13/tunnelbear-launches-vpn-extension-for-chrome/

Unfortunately, we have to strike TunnelBear out becuause it's not free
unlimited (it's free limited), and it has other privacy issues that need to
be overcome which have already been explaind in another post on this
thread).

So the current best answer to this question is the following, as far as
anyone on this newgroup knows...

Q: What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Linux?
A: Tor, Opera, and ?

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[Dan C]

On Mon, 14 May 2018 15:07:15 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> Except of course, now that I asked them more specifically, if you are a
> free user, Ie, a user without a subscription, the limit IS 500MB/mo. (I

<SNIP>

A: Because it destroys the logical flow of a thread of comments,
and makes it difficult to keep up with a conversation.

Q: Why do so many people object to top posting?

A: Writing your reply to a message above what you are referring to
rather than below it.

Q: What is "top posting"?




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[J.O. Aho]

On 05/14/18 20:17, Horst H Schneider wrote:
> Horst H Schneider had written:
>
>> At the moment, the only three known solutions that fit the simple
>> requirements are these.
>> A. Tor Browser Bundle
>> B. Opera VPN Browser
>> C. TunnelBear Chrome Extensions
>> https://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/13/tunnelbear-launches-vpn-extension-for-chrome/
>
> Unfortunately, we have to strike TunnelBear out becuause it's not free
> unlimited (it's free limited), and it has other privacy issues that need to
> be overcome which have already been explaind in another post on this
> thread).
>
> So the current best answer to this question is the following, as far as
> anyone on this newgroup knows...
>
> Q: What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Linux?
> A: Tor, Opera, and ?

If you are looking for something like Tor, then there are a number of
theoretical papers on alternatives like HORNET, but you would need to
build the applications first and get people to join, so in that end it's
a no.

If you are looking browser with built in VPN like Opera, then you you
are out of luck.

So what you are left with is different VPN services, those which are
free usually earn their money in other ways, so the question is, are
they selling your online history.

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[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-15, J.O. Aho <us...@example.net> wrote:
> On 05/14/18 20:17, Horst H Schneider wrote:
>> Horst H Schneider had written:
>>
>>> At the moment, the only three known solutions that fit the simple
>>> requirements are these.
>>> A. Tor Browser Bundle
>>> B. Opera VPN Browser
>>> C. TunnelBear Chrome Extensions
>>> https://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/13/tunnelbear-launches-vpn-extension-for-chrome/
>>
>> Unfortunately, we have to strike TunnelBear out becuause it's not free
>> unlimited (it's free limited), and it has other privacy issues that need to
>> be overcome which have already been explaind in another post on this
>> thread).
>>
>> So the current best answer to this question is the following, as far as
>> anyone on this newgroup knows...
>>
>> Q: What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Linux?
>> A: Tor, Opera, and ?
>
> If you are looking for something like Tor, then there are a number of
> theoretical papers on alternatives like HORNET, but you would need to
> build the applications first and get people to join, so in that end it's
> a no.
>
> If you are looking browser with built in VPN like Opera, then you you
> are out of luck.

It is unclear to me what Opera would get out of running a built in proxy
(which I assume is what that so called built in VPN means) with the expense of
servers posted all over the world.

[J.O. Aho]

On 05/15/18 07:23, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-05-15, J.O. Aho <us...@example.net> wrote:
>> On 05/14/18 20:17, Horst H Schneider wrote:

>> If you are looking browser with built in VPN like Opera, then you you
>> are out of luck.
> It is unclear to me what Opera would get out of running a built in proxy
> (which I assume is what that so called built in VPN means) with the expense of
> servers posted all over the world.

They get your surfing habit and can sell the data to third party.
This they already did with the accelerated networking, where they had
proxy servers caching pages people loaded, so that next one visiting
that one got from the cache instead of really fetching it from the web
server.

--

//Aho

[Horst H Schneider]

J.O. Aho had written:

> So what you are left with is different VPN service

I agree VPN is a completely different beast (as are proxy web sites).

> If you are looking browser with built in VPN like Opera, then you you
> are out of luck.

I think you are correct, based on the fact that none of us can find any
others than those two, for Linux (Windows and Android & iOS have other
choices).

The purpose of this thread was to ask if anything else existed *other* than
Tor and Opera, where the answer seems to be clear, that it's no.

The TunnelBear idea from Willium Unruh was great; but it just didn't pan
out - but I don't want to "punish" him for suggesting it, as he was trying
to help out and that's what matters.

I did receive a response back from TunnelBear, by the way, which was...
"Thank you for your question recently.
We apologize for the confusion that you outlined in those documents.
Our Chrome extension is not unlimited on a free plan.
When signing up for TunnelBear you will receive 500 mb for the month
(or rather data cycle - as we don't go by months anymore).
The plan will only become unlimited when you purchase a Giant/Grizzly
subscription.
Please let us know if you have further questions.
Rawr!
Paws on the pedals - head in the clouds, when in doubt - pedal it out!"

[Horst H Schneider]

J.O. Aho had written:

>> It is unclear to me what Opera would get out of running a built in proxy
>> (which I assume is what that so called built in VPN means) with the expense of
>> servers posted all over the world.
>
> They get your surfing habit and can sell the data to third party.
> This they already did with the accelerated networking, where they had
> proxy servers caching pages people loaded, so that next one visiting
> that one got from the cache instead of really fetching it from the web
> server.

Opera apparently owns "SurfEasy VPN".

I understand William Unruh's question of what Opera gets out of providing a
free unlimited bandwidth proxy (which their marketing seems to call a VPN)
and I do NOT know the answer.

Apparently Opera "bought" SurfEasy VPN in 2015 as per this document:
http://techdows.com/2015/10/surfeasy-proxy-opera-extension.html

Bear in mind, that document is years old when it was an "extension", where
now it's fully integrated as a single on/off setting within the browser
settings.

Supposedly this 2016 document explains how it works:
"Opera browser┬ VPN is just a proxy, here┬ how it works"
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016/04/22/opera-browser-vpn-proxy/

There have been past threads where Marek Novotny participated on them which
already covered in detail the specific privacy implications, so I won't
bring them up since they're already well known in this newsgroup.

[Steve Carroll]

Tizen runs on the Arch Linux kernel. So yeah, Arch Linux is mobile. Arch Linux is a super computer. Arch Linux is a server. Arch Linux is a desktop. Arch Linux is growing in market share.

Now The Holy Ghost on the other end of the crap doesn't matter. All that matters is Scott 'The Shill' Lurndal gets to deliver his flood. So how to handle it? Don't reply to the moron. Reason isn't part of game and never was planned to be. It's like a poorly written flyer. Scott 'The Shill' Lurndal has already decided what he is going to say before he calls. What you say does not matter. What The Holy Ghost says is ignored.

Scott 'The Shill' Lurndal's behavior is quite deceitful. There's no ambiguity that as soon as any forgiven 'plonkee' does anything to wound the poor pansy's feelings that they'll be replonked.

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[William Unruh]

On 2018-05-16, Horst H Schneider <schneider...@arcor.de> wrote:
> J.O. Aho had written:
>
>>> It is unclear to me what Opera would get out of running a built in proxy
>>> (which I assume is what that so called built in VPN means) with the expense of
>>> servers posted all over the world.
>>
>> They get your surfing habit and can sell the data to third party.
>> This they already did with the accelerated networking, where they had
>> proxy servers caching pages people loaded, so that next one visiting
>> that one got from the cache instead of really fetching it from the web
>> server.
>
> Opera apparently owns "SurfEasy VPN".
>
> I understand William Unruh's question of what Opera gets out of providing a
> free unlimited bandwidth proxy (which their marketing seems to call a VPN)
> and I do NOT know the answer.
>
> Apparently Opera "bought" SurfEasy VPN in 2015 as per this document:
> http://techdows.com/2015/10/surfeasy-proxy-opera-extension.html
>
> Bear in mind, that document is years old when it was an "extension", where
> now it's fully integrated as a single on/off setting within the browser
> settings.
>
> Supposedly this 2016 document explains how it works:

> "Opera browser¢s VPN is just a proxy, here¢s how it works"

> https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016/04/22/opera-browser-vpn-proxy/
>
> There have been past threads where Marek Novotny participated on them which
> already covered in detail the specific privacy implications, so I won't
> bring them up since they're already well known in this newsgroup.

Note that there are free VPN on Linux, which would include the browser of
course. OpenVPN is not only freee but also open source. And there are loads of
openVPN sites around the world provided by volunteers in many countries. Now
of course Downloading a terabyte of stuff through some poor volunteer's
computer is probably not terribly moral, and that volunteer might well to
decide not to be a volunteer thereafter.

http://www.vpngate.net/en/

[Steve Carroll]

Seriously, what lie? GIMP is only cost effective if your time has no value.

Do you have a MCSE certification?

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[Horst H Schneider]

William Unruh had written:

> Note that there are free VPN on Linux, which would include the browser of
> course. OpenVPN is not only freee but also open source.

Thanks William for your help and advice. I wish the TunnelBear would have
worked, and I thank you again for hazarding that suggestion, as no good
deed ever goes unpunished.

I agree and completely understand your point about a "real" VPN (but that
never was the question).

Your point is perfectly valid that you get the benefit of VPN in *every*
browser when you use a "real" VPN (as opposed to the marketing proxy VPN of
Opera).

I already know of *plenty* of free unlimited bandwidth VPNs, so that's why
I didn't bother to ask that question (I probably know of free VPNs better
than anyone else here, for example, since I have researched them in the
past, although I've forgotten a lot over time).

I know the free VPNs that work on Android, iOS, Windows, and Linux.

What I also know are the free unlimited bandwidth integrated-browser-vpns
(for lack of a better word) in all those platforms.

This thread was just hoping to find more than Tor (which, I agree, isn't
really the same thing), and Opera (e.g., Epic does the same thing for
Windows that Opera does for Linux).

> And there are loads of
> openVPN sites around the world provided by volunteers in many countries. Now
> of course Downloading a terabyte of stuff through some poor volunteer's
> computer is probably not terribly moral, and that volunteer might well to
> decide not to be a volunteer thereafter.
> http://www.vpngate.net/en/

Trust me, I know all about vpngate. You and Marek and others helped me
write all the wget and network-testeing and network-dropping when the VPN
goes down scripts *years* ago, which I'm still using today!

You haven't looked (nor cared to, I understand) at my NNTP posting host,
but it's a free VPN just like you suggest.

I was never asking about free VPNs, but I do realize the tendency for we
old hands to simply respond to keywords in any request, so, I don't fault
you for bringing up "real" VPNs (which I agree, solve the problem for
*every* browser).

When I ask a question, it's because I am hoping someone knows more than I
do.

Most of the time, and, in fact, almost all the time, someone here does know
far (far) more than I do.

But in this one case, I guess, sadly to say, we all know, at this point,
that there are only two (really only one) answers to the question.

Q: What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for linux?
A: Tor (sort of), and Opera, and ?????

[Steve Carroll]

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> > Sandman:
> > <http://usenet.sandman.net/misc/snit_flood> It doesn't show what
> > interval the script is run at, but how he has used it, at least in
> > the beginning. I stopped logging it this way back in may :)
>
> From what I've personally looked at, it looks like it's all over the
> map.

Yes, with obvious scripted sessions. Not saying some of it isn't manual.

> > Sandman:
> > Maybe I'll update it :)
>
> What would it take to do that?

For "later" to occur!

<http://usenet.sandman.net/misc/postingtimes/Snit/Flooding>

That's a running tally of Snit's non-sock posts and his flooding during the
last month. It'll update automatically and always show the last two months.


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[Steve Carroll]

I bet DFS thinks his wife's life was perfect. I will not ask DFS how any part of Satan's body tastes no matter how regularly DFS kisses it. Satan created at least twenty virtual machines in the last year or so. Without Linux that would not be possible. Just look at DFS's posts and look at mine, there is nothing for me to learn from a jerk like DFS. But so be it, let him keep making a dunce of himself.

i3wm is clearly my second favorite DE and the only one I advocate to Linux morons. Primary interface is Plasma, though. A modern look is all you want after you install it.

Researching Linux... even now a novice... DFS's posts are disingenuous. There can be no ambiguity that as soon as any recent 'plonked person' does whatever to hurt the feeble namby-pamby's feelings that they will be reblocked.By being taught by 'experts' like that you get moral imperatives like 'religious freedom'. Carried to its (un)reasonable resolution, the idea that it's 'unfair' for a straight dude to not wish to have sex with a dead body is created.

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[Steve Carroll]

Despite my deep knowledge of Fedora, I still continue to use it for clients who have had misadventures with OS X, especially if I have seen that they're not good at securing their computers and ignoring of all of the online threats.

After Snit Glasser's update I no longer have a working system. Thanks Linux! Honestly, those of you who troll are not able to check C++ anymore.



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[Orange]

The Opera browser brags that they don't track you.
They even offer you a free VPN to mask your browsing.
I have discovered some things that make me believe
that the exact opposite is the truth:

When I first started Opera mini on my new phone,
I got this message:

---------------------------------------
You are almost there
While we provide ad-free web browsing, our
partners can display ads within the browser's
home screen. Our partners will collect data
for ad personalization. If you don't agree,
you may see ads that are less relevant to you.

You can always manage your ad preferences
in the settings menu.

By pressing Accept & Continue, you agree to
the End User License Agreement and the
Privacy Statement.
---------------------------------------

Suddenly, I understood something about what I
had seen a few days earlier on my laptop computer.
I was trying to find some other information, and
had stumbled into the Opera configuration
subdirectory:
~/.config/opera
That's where it is on Linux. Someone who runs
Windows will have to find the hidden configuration
and preferences files on Windows, please.

When I looked at the Preferences file,
~/.config/opera/Preferences
here is what I saw: (These are fragments of a huge one-liner.
That is, the file is in ASCII but has no carriage-return,
or line-feed characters so it's all one huge long line.)


"https://sm.myhealth.va.gov/",13.219999999999995,"https://www.google-analytics.com/"
"https://gateway.answerscloud.com/",4.719999999999999,"https://www.google-analytics.com/"
"https://referrer.disqus.com/",1.60964464,"https://ssl.google-analytics.com/"
"https://twitter.com/",["https://abs.twimg.com/",0.5356967808436992,"https://analytics.twitter.com/"
"https://video.twimg.com/",0.14619830678830084,"https://www.google-analytics.com/"
"http://rum-static.pingdom.net/",1.5444,"http://www.google-analytics.com/"
"https://twitter.com":{"supports_spdy":true}},{"https://ssl.google-analytics.com"
"https://www.paypalobjects.com":{"supports_spdy":true}},{"https://www.paypal.com":{"supports_spdy":true}},{"https://www.google-analytics.com"
"https://cm.g.doubleclick.net":{"supports_spdy":true}},{"https://cms.analytics.yahoo.com"


We see places that I have visited, or seem to have
visited, and then a floating-point number, and then
9 of them are followed by trackers, mostly Google analytics:


The first one is outrageous. myhealth.va.gov is my health care.
I am an old Veteran, and I get health care from the Veterans'
Administration, and I go to their web site to send messages
to my doctor, and refill prescriptions. And it appears that
when I do, Opera sends the information to Google analytics.


The next-to-last item is disturbing too. Paypal. Google analytics hears
about my Paypal activities, how I spend my money. This is beyond disturbing,
this sounds like felony fraud and illegal invasion of privacy (as is
divulging my confidential medical information).

There are two other data collectors: analytics.twitter.com hears about my
twitter posts. (Why bother? Twitter knows what I post on twitter.)
And then Google also hears about my Twitter posts.

And it looks like when I click on a Doubleclick ad, Yahoo hears about it.

That's how Opera "partners" collect information on us.

And let me tell you, those most assuredly are not MY "preferences".

I uninstalled Opera from my phone and laptop, but couldn't uninstall
Opera-mini because Google hardwires it into Android, and I can't get
rid of it until I root my phone, which I have not succeeded in
doing yet. (BLU Studio G with Android 6. Anybody know of a way
that works for that?)

Any comments? Has anyone else noticed this? Is there an innocent explanation
for so many links to trackers and data collectors in the Opera "Preferences"
file?

[J.O. Aho]

There are a log of settings, for example some of the listed sites is to
tell if to use dns_prefetching, also you will find urls which should
tell which ones are displayed on your start tails in a new tab.
There are list of sites which you allow to run scripts

>
> The first one is outrageous. myhealth.va.gov is my health care.
> I am an old Veteran, and I get health care from the Veterans'
> Administration, and I go to their web site to send messages
> to my doctor, and refill prescriptions. And it appears that
> when I do, Opera sends the information to Google analytics.

I think it loads the page when you are on another page linking to your
myhealth.va.gov page, in the same way as it will preload the
google-analytics page

> The next-to-last item is disturbing too. Paypal. Google analytics hears
> about my Paypal activities, how I spend my money. This is beyond disturbing,
> this sounds like felony fraud and illegal invasion of privacy (as is
> divulging my confidential medical information).

As far as I can remember Opera do collect the data and then share it
with it's customers/partners, specially when you use their "internet
speed up" feature.

> And let me tell you, those most assuredly are not MY "preferences".

It's sites you have visited once in a time.

> I uninstalled Opera from my phone and laptop, but couldn't uninstall
> Opera-mini because Google hardwires it into Android, and I can't get
> rid of it until I root my phone, which I have not succeeded in
> doing yet. (BLU Studio G with Android 6. Anybody know of a way
> that works for that?)

Google do not force anyone to use Opera, they see to that phones tend to
come with Android Browser (Android 4 and earlier) or Chrome (Android 5
and later).

> Any comments? Has anyone else noticed this? Is there an innocent explanation
> for so many links to trackers and data collectors in the Opera "Preferences"
> file?

Trackers you find in 99.999% of sites, so that's why you have a lot of
them, enable/install an ad-blocker and you will not see those.

--

//Aho