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Arlen Holder
Aug 16, 2020, 9:43:32 PM8/16/20
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Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view for
Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply to
search/view existing Usenet posts to this newsgroup:
o <alt.os.linux>
It has been, for years (since early 2000s I believe) that you could always
read, view, search, and quote Usenet posts by using the Google Groups URL:
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
Which, itself, translated to (I know this because I set it up that way):
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
But then, when you try to access (or search) any given article... as of a
few days ago (maybe a week or so?), Google Groups now _requires_ a login.
Of course, if you go back and forth, a few times, you can often circumvent
that need, and likely, there's a "setting" in the browser which may prevent
that as it seems to be browser specific how you can circumvent this...
But my question is has anyone else noticed this recent anomoly that
essentially makes Google Groups search tremendously more difficult without
a login.
--
Narkive works, but it never was as good as Google Groups' no-login search:
o <http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply to
search/view existing Usenet posts to this newsgroup:
o <alt.os.linux>
It has been, for years (since early 2000s I believe) that you could always
read, view, search, and quote Usenet posts by using the Google Groups URL:
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
Which, itself, translated to (I know this because I set it up that way):
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
But then, when you try to access (or search) any given article... as of a
few days ago (maybe a week or so?), Google Groups now _requires_ a login.
Of course, if you go back and forth, a few times, you can often circumvent
that need, and likely, there's a "setting" in the browser which may prevent
that as it seems to be browser specific how you can circumvent this...
But my question is has anyone else noticed this recent anomoly that
essentially makes Google Groups search tremendously more difficult without
a login.
--
Narkive works, but it never was as good as Google Groups' no-login search:
o <http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
J.O. Aho
Aug 17, 2020, 4:02:56 AM8/17/20
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On 17/08/2020 03.43, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view for
> Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply to
> search/view existing Usenet posts to this newsgroup
No, but then we don't use google for usergroups, so we don't really care.
> Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view for
> Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply to
> search/view existing Usenet posts to this newsgroup
azigni
Aug 17, 2020, 2:34:47 PM8/17/20
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Well, it is a Google product. I don't think that is asking too much. I
use Pan however.
use Pan however.
Mike Easter
Aug 17, 2020, 3:08:08 PM8/17/20
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azigni wrote:
> Well, it is a Google product. I don't think that is asking too much. I
> use Pan however.
>
One should NOT use GG for general reading or posting to usenet ng/s.
> Well, it is a Google product. I don't think that is asking too much. I
> use Pan however.
>
The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for
/anything/, which I occasionally do.
I haven't seen such dysfunction as described in the AH OP for this aol
group. Maybe his accessing GG from 'obscure' or unconventional IPs in
his privacy-oriented style is creating some problem for him at GG which
isn't seen by more conventional viewers.
--
Mike Easter
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 6:34:24 PM8/17/20
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:08:05 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
> One should NOT use GG for general reading or posting to usenet ng/s.
> The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for
> /anything/, which I occasionally do.
>
> I haven't seen such dysfunction as described in the AH OP for this aol
> group. Maybe his accessing GG from 'obscure' or unconventional IPs in
> his privacy-oriented style is creating some problem for him at GG which
> isn't seen by more conventional viewers.
Hi Mike,
> One should NOT use GG for general reading or posting to usenet ng/s.
> The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for
> /anything/, which I occasionally do.
>
> I haven't seen such dysfunction as described in the AH OP for this aol
> group. Maybe his accessing GG from 'obscure' or unconventional IPs in
> his privacy-oriented style is creating some problem for him at GG which
> isn't seen by more conventional viewers.
Doesn't anyone SEARCH before posting a thread to this linux newsgroup?
o Don't _any_ of you know what a USENET SEARCH ENGINE is?
HINT: It has _nothing_ to do with Google Groups for Christs' sake.
It's shocking that even on this a.o.l newsgroup, how infantile the posts
have been in response to this thread asking a basic & important question.
J.O. Aho doesn't even know what dejanews is, which I would have thought any
intelligent Usenet user would know, let alone an adult on a Linux ng.
Then azigni likened the Usenet specific search engine to Pan, which, in
only one way, it is a news "reader"; but dejanews is far (far) more than
just a news "reader".
Then you posted your utterly infantile crap, Mike.
Do _any_ of you even own an adult brain with adult cognitive skills?
o None of you?
You see dejanews search and you instantly "think" Google Group postings.
o You have absolutely zero adult cognition that it's not the same thing.
What's shocking is that your infantile responses are on a linux newsgroup.
o None of you who posted appear to own even close to an adult brain.
For the _adults_ on this newsgroup...
o Before you respond...
Please realize that dejagoogle is a "SEARCH ENGINE" for Christs' sake.
o Specifically, it's a USENET SEARCH ENGINE for heaven's sake.
As such, it's an important functionality, particularly for ADULTS.
o Lest I remind you that adults search _before_ they post.
In addition, adults write tutorials for others to benefit from.
o And, adults check the facts of the morons on Usenet who post.
All of this is now harder now that Google, within the past week, seems to
have made dejagoogle Usenet searches harder, by "sort of" requiring a
login.
I can get around the login, but I was just asking whether others are seeing
the same thing.
For the ADULTS on this newsgroup - who SEARCH the Usenet archives...
Q: Have you seen the same change recently (sort of) requiring a login just
to SEARCH the USENET archive for alt.os.linux?
--
Note: If you're not an adult, and if you have absolutely no concept of what
a Usenet search engine is, then please don't respond as you can't help
anyone.
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 6:35:29 PM8/17/20
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:02:53 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
> No, but then we don't use google for usergroups, so we don't really care.
Is everyone on this linux newsgroup an idiot like J.O. Aho just proved?
> No, but then we don't use google for usergroups, so we don't really care.
o Do _any_ of you ever run a USENET SEARCH before posting a thread?
Do any of you even know what a USENET SEARCH engine is?
o HINT: It has _nothing_ to do with Google Groups for Christs' sake.
I'm not surprised that Aho is befuddled by something as simple as a search
engine - but are there _any_ people on this newsgroup with basic adult
cognitive skills?
None?
o None of you know what a search engine is?
The response to this simple question have all been infantile, where it's
shocking how ignorant people like JO Aho instantly prove to be.
I hope the others on this newsgroup aren't as ignorant as JO Aho clearly
is, in that _someone_ on this Linux newsgroup must know what a search
engine is.
Does ANYONE on this newsgroup even remember dejanews search for example?
o Nobody?
Well, so far, all the responses to a simple question about the dejagoogle
Usenet search engine have shown that nobody here seems to know what a
search engine is.
That's pretty sad.
o Are they any _adults_ on this Linux newsgroup?
HINT: Adults know what a Usenet search engine is.
--
I don't mind alienating the worthless pieces of shit who posted so far
since they can't help even themselves, if they don't even know the first
thing about Usenet (e.g., a simple search engine befuddles them all).
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 6:45:29 PM8/17/20
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:34:45 GMT, azigni wrote:
> Well, it is a Google product. I don't think that is asking too much. I
> use Pan however.
A newsreader is a completely different thing than a Usenet search engine.
> Well, it is a Google product. I don't think that is asking too much. I
> use Pan however.
It's extremely useful to search a given newsgroup for a given topic
o BEFORE we post a new thread, for example.
For example, I can search for a topic about PAN on this newsgroup
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
Notice this has NOTHING to do with Google Groups...
It's a search of the USENET newsgroup, named "alt.os.linux"
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.os.linux/pan$20newsreader%7Csort:date>
Notice that's a USENET-only search, of alt.linux.only, and it has nothing
to do with Google Groups (which most posters on a.o.l don't seem to
comprehend).
For example, it found this reference article on this Usenet newsgroup:
o Best news reader?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/sXCDvrUluj8>
Another hit (of many) it found on this USENET NEWSGROUP is:
o Pan newsreader
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/_5luNdBiwIw>
Another is:
o Pan Date header preference setting for time zone
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/qjSFov08pZk>
Yet another is:
o How to debug reliability with Pan on these 7 free newservers?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/2mZU4wj0-fU>
(These search results can go on forever - which is very useful indeed!)
It can search back so far that I don't know how long (decades?)
o Doesn't EVERYONE run a similar search BEFORE posting a thread to this ng?
Since it's simply the dejanews search engine owned by google, it has
nothing to do, per se, with newsreaders (although you 'can' read this
newsgroup that way, but you can't post by that search method alone).
Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup run a search of this ng before posting?
o How?
Mike Easter
Aug 17, 2020, 7:38:54 PM8/17/20
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Arlen Holder wrote:
> For example, I can search for a topic about PAN on this newsgroup
> o<http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
>
> Notice this has NOTHING to do with Google Groups...
Are you daft?! Your tinyurl may 'temporarily' (intentionally?) obscure
the GG url:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux = This TinyURL redirects to:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.o
s.linux
That has *everything* to do w/ GG.
Also, while you are belittling people for not accepting whatever you are
fumbling around w/, you must've missed my usage of GG:
> The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for /anything/, which I occasionally do.
That means that I occasionally use GG for something.
--
Mike Easter
Arlen Holder wrote:
> For example, I can search for a topic about PAN on this newsgroup
> o<http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
>
> Notice this has NOTHING to do with Google Groups...
the GG url:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux = This TinyURL redirects to:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.o
s.linux
That has *everything* to do w/ GG.
Also, while you are belittling people for not accepting whatever you are
fumbling around w/, you must've missed my usage of GG:
> The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for /anything/, which I occasionally do.
--
Mike Easter
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 10:57:14 PM8/17/20
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UPDATE:
It's shocking how few people run a group-specific search before posting.
o Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup search it _before_ authoring a thread?
Since so many people appear to be ignorant that there even _was_ a Google
based Usenet-only search engine (sans login), I document below the actual
search terms, which I just ran, WITHOUT a login, so that I could capture
the URLs for future use (since Google seems to be changing them on the
fly).
Notice these URLs search _only_ the one Usenet newsgroup, in this case,
comp.mobile.android; where the URL syntax works for any Usenet newsgroup
autoarchived (for the past few decades) by the dejagoogle search engine:
Here is a result using the Usenet dejagoogle search engine sans login:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/3wmHVT34/dejagoogle01.jpg>
All I did was run a no-login *dejagoogle _USENET_ search* for the keywords:
o tutorial
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial%7Csort:date>
o tutorial arlen
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20arlen%7Csort:date>
o tutorial and arlen
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20and$20arlen%7Csort:date>
o tutorial and arlen holder
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20and$20arlen$20holder%7Csort:date>
o tutorial and "arlen holder"
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20and$20%22arlen$20holder%22%7Csort:date>
There are other no-login search engines specific for Usenet newsgroups,
where you can run a search that searches _only_ that one Usenet newsgroup,
such as:
o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android>
o <http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
And, if you have the Message ID (e.g., <Message-ID: <rhcnci$22o$1...@news.mixmin.net>)
o <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Crhcnci%2422o%241%40news.mixmin.net%3E>
Which can also be found using the dejagoogle no-login Usenet search engine:
o Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/tRdV2Zfr03I>
--
If you properly construct the URL, you can search a single Usenet newsgroup
back decades, before posting a thread, without needing a login account.
It's shocking how few people run a group-specific search before posting.
o Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup search it _before_ authoring a thread?
Since so many people appear to be ignorant that there even _was_ a Google
based Usenet-only search engine (sans login), I document below the actual
search terms, which I just ran, WITHOUT a login, so that I could capture
the URLs for future use (since Google seems to be changing them on the
fly).
Notice these URLs search _only_ the one Usenet newsgroup, in this case,
comp.mobile.android; where the URL syntax works for any Usenet newsgroup
autoarchived (for the past few decades) by the dejagoogle search engine:
Here is a result using the Usenet dejagoogle search engine sans login:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/3wmHVT34/dejagoogle01.jpg>
All I did was run a no-login *dejagoogle _USENET_ search* for the keywords:
o tutorial
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial%7Csort:date>
o tutorial arlen
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20arlen%7Csort:date>
o tutorial and arlen
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20and$20arlen%7Csort:date>
o tutorial and arlen holder
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20and$20arlen$20holder%7Csort:date>
o tutorial and "arlen holder"
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.mobile.android/tutorial$20and$20%22arlen$20holder%22%7Csort:date>
There are other no-login search engines specific for Usenet newsgroups,
where you can run a search that searches _only_ that one Usenet newsgroup,
such as:
o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android>
o <http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
And, if you have the Message ID (e.g., <Message-ID: <rhcnci$22o$1...@news.mixmin.net>)
o <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Crhcnci%2422o%241%40news.mixmin.net%3E>
Which can also be found using the dejagoogle no-login Usenet search engine:
o Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view
for Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply
to search/view existing Usenet posts to this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/tRdV2Zfr03I>
--
If you properly construct the URL, you can search a single Usenet newsgroup
back decades, before posting a thread, without needing a login account.
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 10:57:15 PM8/17/20
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for Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 11:20:21 PM8/17/20
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT), marika wrote:
> Just looked back in a few days ago and chrome
> started demanding log ins for searches, as well
I would hope EVERYONE SEARCHES THIS NEWGROUP FIRST... before posting a new
thread topic (I know that I do, as it's a common Usenet courtesy).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/3wmHVT34/dejagoogle01.jpg>
To your point, I have every freeware browser installed where I prove what I
say (usually with pictures and with URLs found by a Usenet search).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/L8T9WFR8/dejagoogle02.jpg>
For example, this is the search I just ran to find that browser tutorial:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.comp.freeware/browser$20arlen%7Csort:date>
Which found for you _all_ the full installers for _all_ good free browsers:
o Do we have (yet) an actionable list of all free Windows & Linux web
browsers (and their main purpose)?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/krNaXA-YEbw>
Some of the browsers (each differently set up for specific purposes)
require a login now to search specifically alt.home.repair
(i.e., the a.h.r Usenet newsgroup - which is NOT a "google group")
but some browser setups still do not seem to require the login - so there's
some "magic" by Google redirecting the URL when you go in via
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware>
which, itself, translates to the dejagoogle URL of:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.freeware>
Which (for some browsers), Google redirects to a Google Account login
as of only the past few days (in my experience, where I've been using
this dejagoogle search engine for many many many years, daily).
o <https://accounts.google.com/signin/v2/identifier?continue=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fforum%2Falt.comp.freeware&service=groups2&sacu=1&hl=en&rip=1&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=ServiceLogin>
BTW, I got good results by constructing the URL manually:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/3wmHVT34/dejagoogle01.jpg>
Where here's a shot of that search I ran for you just now on dejagoogle:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/L8T9WFR8/dejagoogle02.jpg>
--
It's obligatory to run a Usenet ng search _before_ authoring a thread.
And searches for related sites should be run _within_ any tech thread.
> Just looked back in a few days ago and chrome
> started demanding log ins for searches, as well
I would hope EVERYONE SEARCHES THIS NEWGROUP FIRST... before posting a new
thread topic (I know that I do, as it's a common Usenet courtesy).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/3wmHVT34/dejagoogle01.jpg>
To your point, I have every freeware browser installed where I prove what I
say (usually with pictures and with URLs found by a Usenet search).
o <https://i.postimg.cc/L8T9WFR8/dejagoogle02.jpg>
For example, this is the search I just ran to find that browser tutorial:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.comp.freeware/browser$20arlen%7Csort:date>
Which found for you _all_ the full installers for _all_ good free browsers:
o Do we have (yet) an actionable list of all free Windows & Linux web
browsers (and their main purpose)?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/krNaXA-YEbw>
Some of the browsers (each differently set up for specific purposes)
require a login now to search specifically alt.home.repair
(i.e., the a.h.r Usenet newsgroup - which is NOT a "google group")
but some browser setups still do not seem to require the login - so there's
some "magic" by Google redirecting the URL when you go in via
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware>
which, itself, translates to the dejagoogle URL of:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.freeware>
Which (for some browsers), Google redirects to a Google Account login
as of only the past few days (in my experience, where I've been using
this dejagoogle search engine for many many many years, daily).
o <https://accounts.google.com/signin/v2/identifier?continue=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fforum%2Falt.comp.freeware&service=groups2&sacu=1&hl=en&rip=1&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=ServiceLogin>
BTW, I got good results by constructing the URL manually:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/3wmHVT34/dejagoogle01.jpg>
Where here's a shot of that search I ran for you just now on dejagoogle:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/L8T9WFR8/dejagoogle02.jpg>
--
It's obligatory to run a Usenet ng search _before_ authoring a thread.
And searches for related sites should be run _within_ any tech thread.
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 11:46:12 PM8/17/20
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:38:49 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
> Your tinyurl may 'temporarily' (intentionally?) obscure
> the GG url,
> Your tinyurl may 'temporarily' (intentionally?) obscure
Mike,
What Usenet ng search have _you_ been using before you author a thread?
Let's assume both of us are pretty smart people, ok?
o I didnt' retire early from Silicon Valley startups by being stupid.
Neither do I think you are as stupid as what you wrote makes you sound.
o So let's start fresh, ok.
We're on a linux Usenet newsgroup.
o Linux people aren't supposed to be infantile, IMHO.
We're supposed to own at least average adult cognition, Mike.
Do you really think I don't _know_ what the tinyurl translates to?
o What planet do you come from, Mike that people are _that_ ignorant.
Do you even know _who_ created that tinyurl redirect, Mike?
o Hint: I did.
Years and years and years ago (maybe even more than a decade, Mike).
o On this linux ng, I will expect you to own adult cognitive skills.
I _created_ that tinyurl redirect so I damn well know where it goes.
Here's how I normally run a search, sans login, going back decades.
1. To search only the Usenet newsgroup a.o.l for "usenet search", I first
use the easily remembered tinyurl that I set that up many years ago.
<http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
2. That redirects me to the Usenet search for a.o.l that I had set up:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
3. Then I run a search in that one newsgroup alone, for "usenet search"
which creates this URL which does not require a Google login to run:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.os.linux/usenet$20search%7Csort:date>
Then I can click on any article that this specific USENET SEARCH found,
even if that article is two decades old (dejagoogle picked up the dejanews
articles, as far as I know so it goes back as far as dejanews did, AFAIK).
For example, that USENET SEARCH of this one newsgroup, a.o.l found:
o Do we have (yet) an actionable list of all free Windows & Linux web
browsers (and their main purpose)?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/jn0gJGRAOMA>
browsers (and their main purpose)?
Which we can read without logging in, even if that Usenet thread was
decades old (it's not, but it could have been).
I've been running that kind of search for, oh, I don't know, about two
decades or so (when did dejanews get taken over by Google? 2001?).
I run it scores of times a day because I don't post to Usenet without first
searching for what was already posted. Often I find the solution so I don't
post a thread. Or I append to a thread with a similar problem set.
Or I reference that thread in my post of a new problem set.
It's what adults do, Mike.
o They search the Usenet ng going back decades _before_ authoring a thread.
o And they reference Usenet threads while they're in the thread.
What Usenet ng search have _you_ been using before you author a thread?
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux = This TinyURL redirects to:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.o
> s.linux
>
> That has *everything* to do w/ GG.
Look at this screenshot I just took for you of my no-login USENET search:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/VLbPxrQ6/dejagoogle03.jpg>
I get it that the "domain" says "groups.google.com", but the search is
_only_ on the Usenet newsgroup a.o.l.
Do you even know the _difference_ between a GG and the Usenet, Mike?
Your responses so far indicate that you're completely ignorant of what a
usenet newsgroup (such as a.o.l is), if you consider a.o.l to be a "Google
Group".
--
I'm sorry if I'm blunt; but anyone confusing GG with Usenet needs blunt.
Arlen Holder
Aug 17, 2020, 11:46:12 PM8/17/20
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:38:49 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
> Your tinyurl may 'temporarily' (intentionally?) obscure
> the GG url,
Mike,
What Usenet ng search have _you_ been using before you author a thread?
Mike,
What Usenet ng search have _you_ been using before you author a thread?
Look at this screenshot I just took for you of my no-login USENET search:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/VLbPxrQ6/dejagoogle03.jpg>
o <https://i.postimg.cc/VLbPxrQ6/dejagoogle03.jpg>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux = This TinyURL redirects to:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.o
> s.linux
>
> That has *everything* to do w/ GG.
Mike,
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.o
> s.linux
>
> That has *everything* to do w/ GG.
Jasen Betts
Aug 18, 2020, 4:00:43 AM8/18/20
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On 2020-08-18, Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:
> UPDATE:
>
> It's shocking how few people run a group-specific search before posting.
> o Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup search it _before_ authoring a thread?
Some of us can remeber what we wrote and, so don't needlessly pollute the
> UPDATE:
>
> It's shocking how few people run a group-specific search before posting.
> o Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup search it _before_ authoring a thread?
newsgroup with repetitions of the same message.
--
Jasen.
J.O. Aho
Aug 18, 2020, 8:55:36 AM8/18/20
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On 18/08/2020 00.35, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:02:53 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> No, but then we don't use google for usergroups, so we don't really care.
>
> Is everyone on this linux newsgroup an idiot like J.O. Aho just proved?
> o Do _any_ of you ever run a USENET SEARCH before posting a thread?
Name giving people will not proof your point. GG ain't the only way to
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:02:53 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> No, but then we don't use google for usergroups, so we don't really care.
>
> Is everyone on this linux newsgroup an idiot like J.O. Aho just proved?
> o Do _any_ of you ever run a USENET SEARCH before posting a thread?
find older posts.
--
//Aho
J.O. Aho
Aug 18, 2020, 9:01:01 AM8/18/20
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On 18/08/2020 00.34, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:08:05 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> One should NOT use GG for general reading or posting to usenet ng/s.
>> The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for
>> /anything/, which I occasionally do.
>>
>> I haven't seen such dysfunction as described in the AH OP for this aol
>> group. Maybe his accessing GG from 'obscure' or unconventional IPs in
>> his privacy-oriented style is creating some problem for him at GG which
>> isn't seen by more conventional viewers.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Doesn't anyone SEARCH before posting a thread to this linux newsgroup?
Much of the old are irrelevant today, many uses systemd/Linux which
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:08:05 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> One should NOT use GG for general reading or posting to usenet ng/s.
>> The issue under the ridiculous subject is about using its function for
>> /anything/, which I occasionally do.
>>
>> I haven't seen such dysfunction as described in the AH OP for this aol
>> group. Maybe his accessing GG from 'obscure' or unconventional IPs in
>> his privacy-oriented style is creating some problem for him at GG which
>> isn't seen by more conventional viewers.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Doesn't anyone SEARCH before posting a thread to this linux newsgroup?
differs from how things worked in GNU/Linux. For a few years back you
can use your USP's repository to search from (of course depends on their
retention plan).
If you are name giving people, I suggest you stop posting here and
unsubscribe a.o.l.
--
//Aho
Aragorn
Aug 18, 2020, 10:13:46 AM8/18/20
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On 18.08.2020 at 14:55, J.O. Aho scribbled:
For your information, "Arlen Holder" is a nymshifting [*] brat who
loves cross-posting inane threads that have more to do with Windows and
Android than with GNU/Linux — which is why his threads are usually
cross-posted to the Windows 10 group, the Macintosh group, the Freeware
group and the Android group.
He also feels highly entitled, loves repeating himself, loves, nay,
_craves_ attention, and when he doesn't get what he wants, he starts
attacking people.
I've binned him quite a while ago already, as have many others. I
suggest you do the same.
[*] Although it must be said that he's been using this nym for quite
a while now.
--
With respect,
= Aragorn =
loves cross-posting inane threads that have more to do with Windows and
Android than with GNU/Linux — which is why his threads are usually
cross-posted to the Windows 10 group, the Macintosh group, the Freeware
group and the Android group.
He also feels highly entitled, loves repeating himself, loves, nay,
_craves_ attention, and when he doesn't get what he wants, he starts
attacking people.
I've binned him quite a while ago already, as have many others. I
suggest you do the same.
[*] Although it must be said that he's been using this nym for quite
a while now.
--
With respect,
= Aragorn =
Arlen Holder
Aug 18, 2020, 10:33:53 AM8/18/20
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:55:33 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
> Name giving people will not proof your point. GG ain't the only way to
> find older posts.
What USENET-specific a.o.l-specific search engine do _you_ use, J.O. Aho?
> Name giving people will not proof your point. GG ain't the only way to
> find older posts.
Let's try to be productive, J.O. Aho, since this Usenet ng a.o.l is a
wonderful medium for linux help.
As an example, I have tons of scripts written by Marek Novotny, that I use
daily, and have been using daily for years and years.
Before you post a thread to a.o.l, a search is a good thing, is it not?
o If you find the answer, you won't need to post the thread.
Happens all the time.
Given that it's normal to search a.o.l _before_ posting, what search engine
do you use that specifically searches a.o.l without a login, and which goes
back decades?
I know of howard knight, dejagoogle, and narkive USENET search engines.
So here's the on-topic question for you, J.O. Aho:
o What USENET-specific a.o.l-specific search engine do _you_ use, J.O. Aho?
Arlen Holder
Aug 18, 2020, 10:35:39 AM8/18/20
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 16:13:44 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
> [*] Although it must be said that he's been using this nym for quite
> a while now.
What USENET-specific a.o.l-specific search engine do _you_ use, Aragorn?
> [*] Although it must be said that he's been using this nym for quite
> a while now.
I know of howard knight, dejagoogle, and narkive USENET search engines.
Arlen Holder
Aug 18, 2020, 10:40:06 AM8/18/20
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 07:50:10 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
> Some of us can remeber what we wrote and, so don't needlessly pollute the
> newsgroup with repetitions of the same message.
You remember every line of all those scripts that Marek wrote for us?
> Some of us can remeber what we wrote and, so don't needlessly pollute the
> newsgroup with repetitions of the same message.
o Wow. Your memory is damn good Jason Betts. Damn good indeed.
Let's say you want the scripts that Marek wrote for us for example.
o For sure, "some" is on GitHub, but only the generic stuff he wrote.
Marek answered a _lot_ of very specific questions on this very newsgroup.
o You remember every single line of those many scripts Marek wrote for us?
Surely you can't memorize every line as you seem to be claiming you do.
So, what USENET-specific a.o.l-specific search engine do _you_ use to find
those exact scripts (surely you don't memorize the entire script, do you?)?
I know of howard knight, dejagoogle, and narkive USENET search engines.
J.O. Aho
Aug 18, 2020, 2:45:50 PM8/18/20
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On 18/08/2020 16.33, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:55:33 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Name giving people will not proof your point. GG ain't the only way to
>> find older posts.
>
> What USENET-specific a.o.l-specific search engine do _you_ use, J.O. Aho?
>
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:55:33 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Name giving people will not proof your point. GG ain't the only way to
>> find older posts.
>
> What USENET-specific a.o.l-specific search engine do _you_ use, J.O. Aho?
>
> Given that it's normal to search a.o.l _before_ posting, what search engine
> do you use that specifically searches a.o.l without a login, and which goes
> back decades?
Most of the posts decades ago are irrelevant nowadays, kernel is far
> do you use that specifically searches a.o.l without a login, and which goes
> back decades?
from what it used to be back with 2.2, also ipchanins had been replaces
with iptables which soon is replaced by nftables. No distribution has
Gnome (all has moved up to Gnome 3) and old KDE3 is far from KDE 4 and
Plasma. There been changes in audio from OSS to Alsa/Pulseaudio as has
XFree86 has been replaced with Xorg (even if there are things that works
the same way, those old config files do not work well anymore).
Sure if you run on a pentium on RedHat 6, then sure you have use of
accessing decades old posts, but then you missed that with security
updates and you are endangering everyone else online, but for everyone
else it's more than enough with the post retention that the USP's has
and my client do handle search and as posts in general are plain text so
don't take long to search.
--
//Aho
bad sector
Aug 18, 2020, 4:45:58 PM8/18/20
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https://snafu.priv.at/brainfarts/google.html
Paul
Aug 18, 2020, 5:16:24 PM8/18/20
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Arlen Holder
Aug 18, 2020, 5:35:07 PM8/18/20
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:45:48 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
> Most of the posts decades ago are irrelevant nowadays
How would you search only a.o.l for pdf-rotate tools on Howard Knight?
> Most of the posts decades ago are irrelevant nowadays
I think people forget that USENET searches on a.o.l not only go back
decades, but they also go back hours, days, weeks, months, & years too. :)
If people are claiming that nothing is relevant from a.o.l in the past, oh,
say, year or two, I'd say that argument is patently baseless, if that's
their main reason for not running a keyword search on a.o.l before they
post a new thread to this USENET newsgroup.
Moving forward, I only know of three search engines specific for the USENET
ng a.o.l, where the one I use the least is the venerable Howard Knight:
1. Howard Knight (great if you already have a Message ID)
2. Narkive (sucks for the most part but doesn't require a login)
3. Dejagoogle (fantastic to the max; but recently made a login a PITA)
NOTE: You can get around the login; but it's a PITA.
Given I rarely use Howard Knight since I rarely have a Message ID; I only
have the keywords, how would anyone here search for _keywords_ on Howard
Knight for this a.o.l USENET newsgroup?
For example, on dejagoogle, to search for PDF-rotate freeware on a.o.l:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.os.linux/pdf$20rotate%7Csort:date>>
How would you search only a.o.l for pdf-rotate tools on Howard Knight?
Arlen Holder
Aug 18, 2020, 5:47:36 PM8/18/20
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Hi Paul,
You're actually one of the very few on this newsgroup who attempted to be
purposefully helpful, and, at the same time, who also understood that the
Google Groups domain searched USENET newsgroups too.
Most people confused Google Groups with Usenet, which I was shocked at for
this newsgroup of a.o.l aficionados (i.e., I would expect Apple fanboys to
not be able to comprehend the difference - but not Linux users).
Linux users generally comprehend what a USENET newsgroup is, but this
thread proves that many don't know the difference between USENET & GG.
They see a Google domain and they instantly turn into GG trolls.
o Same kind of keyword trolling used to happen whenever I mentioned VPN.
People can't seem to figure out that GG and USENET are different...
o Just as people couldn't figure out (for years) that roll-your-own VPN was
different from accessing a public VPN service (shockingly it took _years_
for people on this ng to figure that simple difference out).
Moving forward, all I want are SOLUTIONS (where I don't care what people
said in the past if they can help solve the stated problem set today).
I intend to search a.o.l _before_ I post a new thread, which is common
courtesy. I know of three USENET-specific no-login search engines for a.o.l
1. Dejagoogle
2. Narkive
3. HowardKnight
Given DejaGoogle just got harder, it's still better than using a normal
Google search (which brings up tons of stuff OUTSIDE of the a.o.l ng that
I'm not seeking since I'm generally referencing threads inside a.o.l
itself).
NOTE: I found a workaround to the dejagoogle login; but it's a PITA.
Given Narkive search sucks <http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>, I wonder if
there are any Linux folks who make good use of the Howard Knight site for
keyword searches?
Does anyone here use Howard Knight to their advantage for keyword searches?
For example, on dejagoogle, to search a.o.l for PDF-rotate freeware:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.os.linux/pdf$20rotate%7Csort:date>>
Does anyone on this Linux newsgroup know how to run that search on HK?
o Q: How would you search only a.o.l for pdf-rotate tools on Howard Knight?
-
What people posted in the past is water under the bridge; what matters are
the problem sets they can solve today.
You're actually one of the very few on this newsgroup who attempted to be
purposefully helpful, and, at the same time, who also understood that the
Google Groups domain searched USENET newsgroups too.
Most people confused Google Groups with Usenet, which I was shocked at for
this newsgroup of a.o.l aficionados (i.e., I would expect Apple fanboys to
not be able to comprehend the difference - but not Linux users).
Linux users generally comprehend what a USENET newsgroup is, but this
thread proves that many don't know the difference between USENET & GG.
They see a Google domain and they instantly turn into GG trolls.
o Same kind of keyword trolling used to happen whenever I mentioned VPN.
People can't seem to figure out that GG and USENET are different...
o Just as people couldn't figure out (for years) that roll-your-own VPN was
different from accessing a public VPN service (shockingly it took _years_
for people on this ng to figure that simple difference out).
Moving forward, all I want are SOLUTIONS (where I don't care what people
said in the past if they can help solve the stated problem set today).
I intend to search a.o.l _before_ I post a new thread, which is common
courtesy. I know of three USENET-specific no-login search engines for a.o.l
1. Dejagoogle
2. Narkive
3. HowardKnight
Given DejaGoogle just got harder, it's still better than using a normal
Google search (which brings up tons of stuff OUTSIDE of the a.o.l ng that
I'm not seeking since I'm generally referencing threads inside a.o.l
itself).
NOTE: I found a workaround to the dejagoogle login; but it's a PITA.
Given Narkive search sucks <http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>, I wonder if
there are any Linux folks who make good use of the Howard Knight site for
keyword searches?
Does anyone here use Howard Knight to their advantage for keyword searches?
For example, on dejagoogle, to search a.o.l for PDF-rotate freeware:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.os.linux/pdf$20rotate%7Csort:date>>
Does anyone on this Linux newsgroup know how to run that search on HK?
o Q: How would you search only a.o.l for pdf-rotate tools on Howard Knight?
-
What people posted in the past is water under the bridge; what matters are
the problem sets they can solve today.
J.O. Aho
Aug 19, 2020, 2:00:39 AM8/19/20
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On 18/08/2020 23.35, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:45:48 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Most of the posts decades ago are irrelevant nowadays
>
> How would you search only a.o.l for pdf-rotate tools on Howard Knight?
search message, subject containes "pdf-rotate" or body containes
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:45:48 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Most of the posts decades ago are irrelevant nowadays
>
> How would you search only a.o.l for pdf-rotate tools on Howard Knight?
"pdf-rotate" and from contains "howard"
but that depends on your client how you do it.
--
//Aho
Carlos E.R.
Aug 19, 2020, 8:44:08 AM8/19/20
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doesn't.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Peter Köhlmann
Aug 19, 2020, 10:14:38 AM8/19/20
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Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:16:22 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> Try the main www.google.com search engine.
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> You're actually one of the very few on this newsgroup who attempted to be
> purposefully helpful, and, at the same time, who also understood that the
> Google Groups domain searched USENET newsgroups too.
>
> Most people confused Google Groups with Usenet, which I was shocked at for
You are an idiot. You claim outlandish bullshit about "most people".
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:16:22 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> Try the main www.google.com search engine.
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> You're actually one of the very few on this newsgroup who attempted to be
> purposefully helpful, and, at the same time, who also understood that the
> Google Groups domain searched USENET newsgroups too.
>
> Most people confused Google Groups with Usenet, which I was shocked at for
You are a stinking piece of troll, and thats it. Your claims are snittish
shite
Stéphane CARPENTIER
Aug 19, 2020, 5:19:16 PM8/19/20
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Le 18-08-2020, Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> a écrit :
>
> It's shocking how few people run a group-specific search before posting.
> o Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup search it _before_ authoring a thread?
You repeat the same sentences in every message. Why should I search
>
> It's shocking how few people run a group-specific search before posting.
> o Doesn't anyone on this newsgroup search it _before_ authoring a thread?
before answering you ? To see the same sentences posted ten years ago
and being able to read two thousand times the same sentences instead of
a few dozen ? For what purpose ?
--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
Arlen Holder
Aug 21, 2020, 12:58:37 PM8/21/20
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:42:36 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Well, Thundebird can not search body unless it is in local cache. Mine
> doesn't.
Hi Carlos,
> Well, Thundebird can not search body unless it is in local cache. Mine
> doesn't.
Q: How do you search a.o.l posts on HowardKnight using keywords?
While you're responding to J.O. Aho's post, which is fine, allow me to
clarify that J.O. Aho, shockingly, doesn't know what Howard Knight is.
This petrifies me, since I had assumed that Linux users, of all people,
were aware of the most basic of the oldest of the USENET search engines.
a. dejanews (now dejagoogle)
b. HowardKnight
c. Narkive
And yet again, ignorati like J.O. Aho _always_ prove to be, prove that
basic assumption that Linux users are fundamentally capable, dead wrong.
I do realize there are _some_ Linux users who own basic adult cognitive
skills, but J. O. Aho clearly isn't one of them (based on what he wrote).
You, Carlos, on the other hand, are sometimes rather capable, IMHO.
o So I ask you the same question J.O. Aho attempted to answer.
Q: How do you search a.o.l posts on HowardKnight using keywords?
--
No need to respond if you have no clue as the answer to the question is all
I care about since I'm not in Usenet for worthless idle meaningless chat.
Arlen Holder
Aug 21, 2020, 12:58:37 PM8/21/20
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:00:36 +0200, J.O. Aho wrote:
> search message, subject containes "pdf-rotate" or body containes
> "pdf-rotate" and from contains "howard"
>
> but that depends on your client how you do it.
Hi J.O. Aho,
> search message, subject containes "pdf-rotate" or body containes
> "pdf-rotate" and from contains "howard"
>
> but that depends on your client how you do it.
Q: How do you search a.o.l posts on HowardKnight using keywords?
address, we're seemingly always fundamentally on different wavelengths,
where I thank you for your advice, which, I'm sure, works for those people
who never use web-based no-login USENET search engines such as:
o Usenet Article Lookup
<http://al.howardknight.net/>
While you're seemingly assuming "Howard Knight" is a person, I'm assuming
people know the Usenet well enough to realize it's a Usenet search engine.
I said so many times in this thread, did I not? (So how did you miss that?)
Anyway, moving on, the assumption I'm clearly making is that intelligent
people search the USENET specific archives _before_ posting a new thread,
where any one newsserver might not retain articles for the years required
to accomplish a decent search.
Given I know of three no-login USENET web-searchable archives for
alt.os.linux, and given that two of them certainly have their flaws
(dejagoogle just creating a new hurdle of a login that has to be worked
around & narkives being on hiatus), the question remains unanswered of...
Q: How do you search a.o.l posts on HowardKnight using keywords?
--
Arlen Holder
Aug 21, 2020, 1:07:54 PM8/21/20
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:14:36 +0200, Peter Kohlmann wrote:
> You are an idiot. You claim outlandish bullshit about "most people".
>
> You are a stinking piece of troll, and thats it. Your claims are snittish
> shite
Hi Peter Kohlmann,
> You are an idiot. You claim outlandish bullshit about "most people".
>
> You are a stinking piece of troll, and thats it. Your claims are snittish
> shite
Thank you for always proving my point _every_ single time you post.
o Don't you think I strategically alienate people like you on purpose?
I'm gonna clue you in on my basic strategy & tactics for people like you.
o You think my posts are by accident? Well, they're not.
They _all_ follow a Usenet strategy & tactics to alienate people like you.
If you haven't figured out my tactics yet, let me clarify for you:
1. My strategy is to get answers to tough questions - not chat on Usenet.
2. There are people, like you & Aho, who can't _ever_ answer questions.
3. All you people _can_ do, is spew your worthless childish crap.
Don't you think I alienate you for a _reason_, Peter Kohlmann?
o HINT: You and J.O. Aho, for example, are worthless pieces of shit.
Have you ever noticed that I never respond to you worthless pieces of shit
in _other_ threads?
No?
o Never?
Well notice that Peter Kohlmann (and J.O. Aho).
I don't feed you trolls when you post your worthless shit in other threads.
o But when you _infest_ a thread I care about - then I point to your posts.
If pointing to your posts embarrasses you, Peter Kohlmann, then just don't
post to any thread where I'm trying to get something answered - and we'll
do just fine.
I'll ignore you...
o And you ignore my threads.
--
The less you worthless pieces of shit infest my threads, the sooner we can
get the answers to the questions posed in the threads (since I only post
two kinds of threads, questions, and answers). I don't chat.
Peter Köhlmann
Aug 21, 2020, 5:28:21 PM8/21/20
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Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:14:36 +0200, Peter Kohlmann wrote:
>
>> You are an idiot. You claim outlandish bullshit about "most people".
>>
>> You are a stinking piece of troll, and thats it. Your claims are snittish
>> shite
>
> Hi Peter Kohlmann,
>
> Thank you for always proving my point _every_ single time you post.
> o Don't you think I strategically alienate people like you on purpose?
Poblem is: You have no point, and never had. You try to troll with inane
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:14:36 +0200, Peter Kohlmann wrote:
>
>> You are an idiot. You claim outlandish bullshit about "most people".
>>
>> You are a stinking piece of troll, and thats it. Your claims are snittish
>> shite
>
> Hi Peter Kohlmann,
>
> Thank you for always proving my point _every_ single time you post.
> o Don't you think I strategically alienate people like you on purpose?
shite and you are failing miserably.
Just keep on proving that you are just simply a totally worthless troll. You
are just an oxygen thief.
You have no "strategic" posts to "alienate people". 99.999% of people are
smarter than you could ever hope to be
Arlen Holder
Aug 22, 2020, 8:06:14 AM8/22/20
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SOLVED!
I figured out a way to get around the login requirement to search this
USENET newsgroup before posting (and to research during a thread).
I turned off the ability of Google to run scripts.
o The PITA is that it takes time for the script to die.
But then I can search before posting (& for references).
o So the problem is now resolved via a workaround.
A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You
can stop the script now, open the script in the debugger, or let the script
continue.
Script: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en:183
--
Usenet contains good tutorials & useful solutions if you know how to search
I figured out a way to get around the login requirement to search this
USENET newsgroup before posting (and to research during a thread).
I turned off the ability of Google to run scripts.
o The PITA is that it takes time for the script to die.
But then I can search before posting (& for references).
o So the problem is now resolved via a workaround.
A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You
can stop the script now, open the script in the debugger, or let the script
continue.
Script: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en:183
--
Usenet contains good tutorials & useful solutions if you know how to search
Karen
Aug 22, 2020, 10:40:39 AM8/22/20
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On 8/16/2020 9:43 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view for
> Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply to
> search/view existing Usenet posts to this newsgroup:
> Has anyone else noticed dejagoogle (aka Google Groups search/view for
> Usenet newsgroups) now (often) requires a Google login simply to
> o <alt.os.linux>
>
> It has been, for years (since early 2000s I believe) that you could always
> read, view, search, and quote Usenet posts by using the Google Groups URL:
> o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
>
> Which, itself, translated to (I know this because I set it up that way):
> o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
>
> But then, when you try to access (or search) any given article... as of a
> few days ago (maybe a week or so?), Google Groups now _requires_ a login.
>
> Of course, if you go back and forth, a few times, you can often circumvent
> that need, and likely, there's a "setting" in the browser which may prevent
> that as it seems to be browser specific how you can circumvent this...
>
> But my question is has anyone else noticed this recent anomoly that
> essentially makes Google Groups search tremendously more difficult without
> a login.
>
You REALLY need to "get a life", Arlen. Really.
Arlen Holder
Aug 26, 2020, 10:50:08 AM8/26/20
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Update:
Woo hoo!
o *Google turned _off_ apparently, the new dejagoogle login requirement!*
Now we can again search this a.o.l newsgroup before we post...
o And we can again intelligently cross reference within a thread.
Would others test this with their browser to confirm it works for all?
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
If you dislike redirects, you can also test it using the direct URL:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
Most likely, since it only lasted a week or two, it was a bug.
o Would a purposefully helpful adult on this ng kindly test & confirm?
--
Usenet is a public web-searchable repository of useful hints & tutorials.
Woo hoo!
o *Google turned _off_ apparently, the new dejagoogle login requirement!*
Now we can again search this a.o.l newsgroup before we post...
o And we can again intelligently cross reference within a thread.
Would others test this with their browser to confirm it works for all?
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
If you dislike redirects, you can also test it using the direct URL:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
Most likely, since it only lasted a week or two, it was a bug.
o Would a purposefully helpful adult on this ng kindly test & confirm?
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Usenet is a public web-searchable repository of useful hints & tutorials.
Jasen Betts
Aug 26, 2020, 6:00:44 PM8/26/20
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On 2020-08-26, Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:
> Update:
>
> Woo hoo!
> o *Google turned _off_ apparently, the new dejagoogle login requirement!*
That is wrong and off topic.
> Update:
>
> Woo hoo!
> o *Google turned _off_ apparently, the new dejagoogle login requirement!*
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Jasen.
Arlen Holder
Aug 27, 2020, 12:03:00 AM8/27/20
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:43:48 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
> That is wrong and off topic.
Hi Jasen Betts,
> That is wrong and off topic.
What happened when you tried this link just now to test it out?
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
That dejagoogle search worked fine for decades, until just recently.
o But now it's working again, sans login, as it has done for decades.
And what did you see for your added value when you clicked this link?
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/alt.os.linux/IM2kv6vuAAAJ>
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Usenet is a rich public web-searchable archive of solutions & tutorials.
Jasen Betts
Aug 27, 2020, 2:00:45 AM8/27/20
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On 2020-08-27, Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:43:48 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> That is wrong and off topic.
I am not going to discuss it, do your own research and don't post the
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:43:48 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> That is wrong and off topic.
answer here.
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Jasen.
Arlen Holder
Aug 27, 2020, 12:26:33 PM8/27/20
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 05:53:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
> I am not going to discuss it, do your own research and don't post the
> answer here.
Hi Jasen Betts,
> I am not going to discuss it, do your own research and don't post the
> answer here.
You always prove me correct about you... Jasen Betts:
o *Never in your life have you ever posted with purposefully helpful intent*.
Never.
o You can't.
As I had expected from you, a known worthless piece of shit, Jasen Betts.
o You clicked & you found, much to your chagrin, *your added value was zero*.
Click here for proof that you are a worthless piece of shit, Jasen Betts:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/alt.os.linux/IM2kv6vuAAAJ>
Does it occur to you Jasen that I ignore you worthless pieces of shit
o By not feeding you Jasen, when you infest threads that I don't care about
Does it occur to you worthless pieces of shit that you only hear from me
o When you infest a thread that I care about coming to an answer
FACT:
I only point out that you, Jasen, are a worthless piece of shit...
o When you infest a thread that I care about come to a fruitful answer.
I point to the fact you have _never_ added value to this ng in your life.
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There are only two kinds of people on Usenet, only one of which adds value.
Jasen Betts
Aug 27, 2020, 5:01:19 PM8/27/20
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On 2020-08-27, Arlen Holder <arlen_...@newmachines.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 05:53:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> I am not going to discuss it, do your own research and don't post the
>> answer here.
>
> Hi Jasen Betts,
>
> You always prove me correct about you... Jasen Betts:
> o *Never in your life have you ever posted with purposefully helpful intent*.
You are lying, search your own responses to me for some of the evidence.
>
>> I am not going to discuss it, do your own research and don't post the
>> answer here.
>
> Hi Jasen Betts,
>
> You always prove me correct about you... Jasen Betts:
> o *Never in your life have you ever posted with purposefully helpful intent*.
Furthermore pointing out off-topic content IS helpful.
The rest of your post ignored because there is no point attempting a
civil discussion with a liar. and it's (probably) off topic.
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Jasen.
Richard Kettlewell
Aug 28, 2020, 8:43:37 AM8/28/20
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No it isn’t. Off-topic material glaringly obvious. Arguing with trolls
just creates extra noise for everyone else.
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https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
just creates extra noise for everyone else.
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Arlen Holder
Sep 6, 2020, 4:59:52 PM9/6/20
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SOLVED:
Given a Usenet search is critical for adults to run both before posting,
and to intelligently reference within any thread the pertinent cites...
I'm happy to report Dejagoogle search is working yet again without any need
for a login for this newsgroup (and all tested newsgroups), for days now:
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
That easy-to-remember search URL redirects to the actual dejagoogle URL:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
I've tested this on over 15 different web browsers for over a week now:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/43RbvJGK/dejagoogle-linux.jpg>
My presumption is that Google bungled something and then fixed it.
o It only required a login for about three or four days (or so)
And even then, there were ways around it - but they were a PITA
The great news is that now any adult who wishes to search Usenet before
posting a new thread, or who wishes to learn from the permanent archives
that dejanews started decades ago, can do so, whether that search is for
information posted yesterday, a week ago, months ago, or years prior.
In summary, now any browser can search the permanent Usenet archives for
this ng again without the need to log in (& on VPN if privacy is needed).
Note: Despite _many_ linux users confusing Usenet with Google Groups,
this Usenet search has nothing per se to do with Google Groups.
--
It's common practice for intelligent people to search before posting.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/43RbvJGK/dejagoogle-linux.jpg
Given a Usenet search is critical for adults to run both before posting,
and to intelligently reference within any thread the pertinent cites...
I'm happy to report Dejagoogle search is working yet again without any need
for a login for this newsgroup (and all tested newsgroups), for days now:
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
That easy-to-remember search URL redirects to the actual dejagoogle URL:
o <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
I've tested this on over 15 different web browsers for over a week now:
o <https://i.postimg.cc/43RbvJGK/dejagoogle-linux.jpg>
My presumption is that Google bungled something and then fixed it.
o It only required a login for about three or four days (or so)
And even then, there were ways around it - but they were a PITA
The great news is that now any adult who wishes to search Usenet before
posting a new thread, or who wishes to learn from the permanent archives
that dejanews started decades ago, can do so, whether that search is for
information posted yesterday, a week ago, months ago, or years prior.
In summary, now any browser can search the permanent Usenet archives for
this ng again without the need to log in (& on VPN if privacy is needed).
Note: Despite _many_ linux users confusing Usenet with Google Groups,
this Usenet search has nothing per se to do with Google Groups.
--
It's common practice for intelligent people to search before posting.
o <https://i.postimg.cc/43RbvJGK/dejagoogle-linux.jpg
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