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Soviet_Mario
Apr 12, 2019, 3:45:56 AM4/12/19
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I have some lots of questions about this
1) is it worth while ? (has Devuan aged old enough to be
considered mature and as stable as Debian ? Is it
substantially a "true" Debian with just a different init
system ?). Are Devuan repositories as much wide as Debian's
(or even the same) ?
2) does the same SW run on both ? I have many applications
here on Stretch that are in "mixed" formats (some manually
installed from dnld .deb and then gdebi installer), some in
flatpak, some appimage and one snap. Can I expect all this
stuff will run smoothly on Devuan ?
3) is it there some transition package ? I mean : apt has
the DISTRO-UPGRADE mechanism to perform rather radical shift
without having to reinstall most of the system manually.
Lately on an old laptop (a toshiba NB-200 with atom single
core and just 1 GB ram) on which I had Emmabuntus (xenial)
underwent a series of upgrade ending up in Lubuntu (18.sth)
Is it there sth similar useful to convert in place Debian in
the Devuan equivalent (I mean, same kernel or so, same DE,
same subversion and so) ?
TY
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Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)
Dan Purgert
Apr 12, 2019, 5:46:45 AM4/12/19
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Soviet_Mario wrote:
>
> I have some lots of questions about this
>
> 1) is it worth while ? (has Devuan aged old enough to be
> considered mature and as stable as Debian ? Is it
> substantially a "true" Debian with just a different init
> system ?). Are Devuan repositories as much wide as Debian's
> (or even the same) ?
Yes. Ever since 1.0 (Devuan Jessie).
Repos are basically Debian, with systemd forcibly pinned by them -- so
if you want systemd, don't use Devuan.
>
>
> 2) does the same SW run on both ? I have many applications
> here on Stretch that are in "mixed" formats (some manually
> installed from dnld .deb and then gdebi installer), some in
> flatpak, some appimage and one snap. Can I expect all this
> stuff will run smoothly on Devuan ?
Yes, barring any dependencies on systemd.
> 3) is it there some transition package ? I mean : apt has
> the DISTRO-UPGRADE mechanism to perform rather radical shift
> without having to reinstall most of the system manually.
> Lately on an old laptop (a toshiba NB-200 with atom single
> core and just 1 GB ram) on which I had Emmabuntus (xenial)
> underwent a series of upgrade ending up in Lubuntu (18.sth)
Due to ripping out systemd, the best approach would be installing Devuan
Ascii (current "devuan stable" version). You could always "try"
inplace-upgrade, but there may be a lot of issues you will have to
resolve by hand.
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Soviet_Mario wrote:
>
> I have some lots of questions about this
>
> 1) is it worth while ? (has Devuan aged old enough to be
> considered mature and as stable as Debian ? Is it
> substantially a "true" Debian with just a different init
> system ?). Are Devuan repositories as much wide as Debian's
> (or even the same) ?
Repos are basically Debian, with systemd forcibly pinned by them -- so
if you want systemd, don't use Devuan.
>
>
> 2) does the same SW run on both ? I have many applications
> here on Stretch that are in "mixed" formats (some manually
> installed from dnld .deb and then gdebi installer), some in
> flatpak, some appimage and one snap. Can I expect all this
> stuff will run smoothly on Devuan ?
> 3) is it there some transition package ? I mean : apt has
> the DISTRO-UPGRADE mechanism to perform rather radical shift
> without having to reinstall most of the system manually.
> Lately on an old laptop (a toshiba NB-200 with atom single
> core and just 1 GB ram) on which I had Emmabuntus (xenial)
> underwent a series of upgrade ending up in Lubuntu (18.sth)
Ascii (current "devuan stable" version). You could always "try"
inplace-upgrade, but there may be a lot of issues you will have to
resolve by hand.
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Soviet_Mario
Apr 12, 2019, 8:22:10 AM4/12/19
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On 12/04/19 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote:
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> Soviet_Mario wrote:
>>
>> I have some lots of questions about this
>>
>> 1) is it worth while ? (has Devuan aged old enough to be
>> considered mature and as stable as Debian ? Is it
>> substantially a "true" Debian with just a different init
>> system ?). Are Devuan repositories as much wide as Debian's
>> (or even the same) ?
>
> Yes. Ever since 1.0 (Devuan Jessie).
> Repos are basically Debian, with systemd forcibly pinned by them -- so
> if you want systemd, don't use Devuan.
as a matter of fact, I became intrested in Devuan because
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> Soviet_Mario wrote:
>>
>> I have some lots of questions about this
>>
>> 1) is it worth while ? (has Devuan aged old enough to be
>> considered mature and as stable as Debian ? Is it
>> substantially a "true" Debian with just a different init
>> system ?). Are Devuan repositories as much wide as Debian's
>> (or even the same) ?
>
> Yes. Ever since 1.0 (Devuan Jessie).
> Repos are basically Debian, with systemd forcibly pinned by them -- so
> if you want systemd, don't use Devuan.
I've read many criticisms on SystemD ... so no, I guess I
don't want it :)
>
>>
>>
>> 2) does the same SW run on both ? I have many applications
>> here on Stretch that are in "mixed" formats (some manually
>> installed from dnld .deb and then gdebi installer), some in
>> flatpak, some appimage and one snap. Can I expect all this
>> stuff will run smoothly on Devuan ?
>
> Yes, barring any dependencies on systemd.
How could I assess what of my installed sw relies on it ?
>
>> 3) is it there some transition package ? I mean : apt has
>> the DISTRO-UPGRADE mechanism to perform rather radical shift
>> without having to reinstall most of the system manually.
>> Lately on an old laptop (a toshiba NB-200 with atom single
>> core and just 1 GB ram) on which I had Emmabuntus (xenial)
>> underwent a series of upgrade ending up in Lubuntu (18.sth)
>
> Due to ripping out systemd, the best approach would be installing Devuan
> Ascii (current "devuan stable" version).
> You could always "try"
> inplace-upgrade, but there may be a lot of issues you will have to
> resolve by hand.
solving by hand is not my cup of tea alas :\ ... anyway,
I'll inquire on inplace-upgrade
TY
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Dan Purgert
Apr 12, 2019, 10:42:36 AM4/12/19
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Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 12/04/19 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Soviet_Mario wrote:
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Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 12/04/19 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> 2) does the same SW run on both ? I have many applications
>>> here on Stretch that are in "mixed" formats (some manually
>>> installed from dnld .deb and then gdebi installer), some in
>>> flatpak, some appimage and one snap. Can I expect all this
>>> stuff will run smoothly on Devuan ?
>>
>> Yes, barring any dependencies on systemd.
>
> that's a worrying point.
> How could I assess what of my installed sw relies on it ?
There are shims to lie to systemd-dependent things, as well as
>>> here on Stretch that are in "mixed" formats (some manually
>>> installed from dnld .deb and then gdebi installer), some in
>>> flatpak, some appimage and one snap. Can I expect all this
>>> stuff will run smoothly on Devuan ?
>>
>> Yes, barring any dependencies on systemd.
>
> that's a worrying point.
> How could I assess what of my installed sw relies on it ?
recompiled options that don't depend on systemd; though flatpak go do
their own thing anyway. The best would be to ask the devuan devs.
They've got a few IRC channels on Freenode that they hang out in --
mainly #debianfork and #devuan.
>> [...]
>> You could always "try"
>> inplace-upgrade, but there may be a lot of issues you will have to
>> resolve by hand.
>
> mmm, never heard of inplace-upgrade ! I'll try some research
>
> solving by hand is not my cup of tea alas :\ ... anyway,
> I'll inquire on inplace-upgrade
it's essentially the same practice as changing from say "jessie" to
>> inplace-upgrade, but there may be a lot of issues you will have to
>> resolve by hand.
>
> mmm, never heard of inplace-upgrade ! I'll try some research
>
> solving by hand is not my cup of tea alas :\ ... anyway,
> I'll inquire on inplace-upgrade
"stretch" repos (although you have to use devuan URLs as well). As
I said though, it's going to potentially cause a LOT of breaking because
of the whole systemd thing.
You'll be better off with a format and fresh install...
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Soviet_Mario
Apr 12, 2019, 1:03:58 PM4/12/19
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another disk. I fear i would not cope with this task of
replacing the system in-place :\
I uninstalled every other distro on this machine and now
debian is the only one here, so the risk is too high
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