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is desktop retro CDE in Sparky linux usable?
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pedr...@lycos.com
Jun 5, 2021, 9:37:27 PM6/5/21
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I see in Sparky there is nsCDE, which looks like CDE, and CDE which is apparently pure X11-motif. So if you used that, are you limited to ancient applications using motif?
If you want to use contemporary GTK/Qt applications, then nsCDE would be needed?
If you want to use contemporary GTK/Qt applications, then nsCDE would be needed?
Mike Easter
Jun 5, 2021, 10:45:35 PM6/5/21
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https://sparkylinux.org/nscde/
https://sparkylinux.org/cde-common-desktop-environment/
To me, the DE or WM is just a UI on top of the Sparky Base OpenBox WM
over current Debian testing.
Sparky is 'known for' providing 'myriad' DE/WM environment options, some
20 or so, including your interests CDE & nsCDE.
Because it is Debian, the repo/s of applications will include all kinds
of gtk/qt apps which installation will include their dependencies.
The suggestion about CDE is
> I recommend the Common Desktop Environment for didactic and learning
> purpose only. Its archaic design does not resemble today’s desktops,
> but it’s my private opinion only.
... whereas the suggestion about nsCDE is a moderniized CDE look-alike:
> Not so Common Desktop Environment (NsCDE) is a retro but powerful
> (kind of) UNIX desktop environment which resembles CDE look (and
> partially feel) but with a more powerful and flexible framework
> beneath-the-surface, more suited for 21st century unix-like and Linux
> systems and user requirements than original CDE. NsCDE can be
> considered as a heavyweight FVWM theme on steroids, but combined with
> a couple other free software components and custom FVWM applications
> and a lot of configuration, NsCDE can be considered a lightweight
> hybrid desktop environment.
If I were going to mess w/ it, nsCDE sounds more interesting to me.
All I know about FVWM is what I read in the wp article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM
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Mike Easter
Mike Easter
Jun 6, 2021, 9:27:23 AM6/6/21
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Mike Easter wrote:
> All I know about FVWM is what I read in the wp article:
Speaking of useful wp articles, I see articles w/ tables:
> All I know about FVWM is what I read in the wp article:
Comparison of X window managers
Comparison of X Window System desktop environments
> 1 Technical elements of a desktop environment
> 2 Desktop comparison information
> 2.1 Overview
> 2.2 Default programs packaged
> 2.3 Comparison of ease of use and stability
> 3 Compatibility and interoperability issues
> 4 System resources utilization
Also tables for file managers and wayland compositors (as a separate
article from the Wayland art.)
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Mike Easter
ray
Jun 6, 2021, 10:43:10 AM6/6/21
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On 6/5/21 7:37 PM, pedr...@lycos.com wrote:
> I see in Sparky there is nsCDE, which looks like CDE, and CDE which is apparently pure X11-motif. So if you used that, are you limited to ancient applications using motif?
> If you want to use contemporary GTK/Qt applications, then nsCDE would be needed?
>
Been there, done that. I recall back in the 'good old days' around the
> I see in Sparky there is nsCDE, which looks like CDE, and CDE which is apparently pure X11-motif. So if you used that, are you limited to ancient applications using motif?
> If you want to use contemporary GTK/Qt applications, then nsCDE would be needed?
>
early 90's. We had brand new DECstations with ultrix and CDE. I always
liked the look of CDE. Built CDE on a Raspberry Pi - which took a while.
I still like the responsiveness of the desktop - quite light - just don
't expect any updates. Yes, it will run modern applications - they
depend on X and GTK or other toolkit.
nsCDE gives the same feel.
Mike Easter
Jun 6, 2021, 10:56:23 AM6/6/21
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ray wrote:
> Built CDE on a Raspberry Pi -
Sparky has an ARM, but I've never tried it. I suspect the full
> Built CDE on a Raspberry Pi -
complement of Sparky DE/WMs are not available for it.
https://wiki.sparkylinux.org/doku.php/sparky_arm
> NOTE: some packages which are available via Sparky tools can not be
> installed on ARM system, such as a few window managers, a few web
> browsers, etc.
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Mike Easter
Mike Easter
Jun 28, 2021, 12:21:02 PM6/28/21
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Bud Frede wrote:
> I used CDE on both Solaris SPARC, and on HP-UX on an HP-9000
> workstation I owned for a while. I also had CDE on Linux at one point
> - I think it was from Metro-X. The first version or two of KDE looked
> a lot like CDE as well. It didn't really work like CDE, but it looked
> a lot like it.
wp:
> The name KDE was intended as a wordplay on the existing Common
> Desktop Environment, available for Unix systems. CDE was an X11-based
> user environment jointly developed by HP, IBM, and Sun through the
> X/Open consortium, with an interface and productivity tools based on
> the Motif graphical widget toolkit. It was supposed to be an
> intuitively easy-to-use desktop computer environment.
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Mike Easter
> I used CDE on both Solaris SPARC, and on HP-UX on an HP-9000
> workstation I owned for a while. I also had CDE on Linux at one point
> - I think it was from Metro-X. The first version or two of KDE looked
> a lot like CDE as well. It didn't really work like CDE, but it looked
> a lot like it.
wp:
> The name KDE was intended as a wordplay on the existing Common
> Desktop Environment, available for Unix systems. CDE was an X11-based
> user environment jointly developed by HP, IBM, and Sun through the
> X/Open consortium, with an interface and productivity tools based on
> the Motif graphical widget toolkit. It was supposed to be an
> intuitively easy-to-use desktop computer environment.
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Mike Easter
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