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PaulRS
May 25, 2012, 11:34:58 PM5/25/12
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I miss the old "kpackage" as I used it to find file locations in
specific RPM packages and to see the contents of an RPM graphically
before I installed it (or NOT). The new kpackagekit just jumps right
to install. I did a "help" on it, but could not see any way of
configuring it. Dolphin also jumps to kpackageKIT rather than lets me
explore.
So is there a graphical substitue for the old "kpackage." My current
workaround was to install it from my old 10.3 distribution. Guess I
was "lucky" it found the dependencies. This does work, but there is a
hole for me in the newer distributions that kpackage filled.
Paul (Advancing Newbie - I hope)
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specific RPM packages and to see the contents of an RPM graphically
before I installed it (or NOT). The new kpackagekit just jumps right
to install. I did a "help" on it, but could not see any way of
configuring it. Dolphin also jumps to kpackageKIT rather than lets me
explore.
So is there a graphical substitue for the old "kpackage." My current
workaround was to install it from my old 10.3 distribution. Guess I
was "lucky" it found the dependencies. This does work, but there is a
hole for me in the newer distributions that kpackage filled.
Paul (Advancing Newbie - I hope)
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DenverD
May 26, 2012, 2:32:50 AM5/26/12
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(and many/most of the helpers on the openSUSE forums do the same--check
it out)..
and its look-alike on 12.1 is named apper, which has the same troubles,
so many recommend it either be disabled (right click on the panel icon,
and . . .) or uninstalled (using YaST or zypper)..
the features you seek (peering inside RPM prior to install) are all in
YaST Software Management or YaST Online Update (YOU)....in fact, once
you have banished packagekit you will need to run YOU occasionally to
check to see if there are updates available for your system..
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DenverD
May 26, 2012, 11:35:09 AM5/26/12
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> I could not use Linux without mc.
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Darklight
May 27, 2012, 12:40:22 PM5/27/12
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> check to see if there are updates available for your system..
>
If i got this right, if you want to see what is in a rpm go to konqueror
>
then navigate to the rpm file and right click on it and scroll down to
preview in krpmview. For a tar file or zip file do as above but this time
select open with ark.
DenverD
May 27, 2012, 7:48:32 PM5/27/12
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On 05/27/2012 06:40 PM, Darklight wrote:
> If i got this right, if you want to see what is in a rpm go to konqueror
> then navigate to the rpm file and right click on it and scroll down to
> preview in krpmview. For a tar file or zip file do as above but this time
> select open with ark.
no, neither houghi nor i mentioned either konqueror or ark..
> If i got this right, if you want to see what is in a rpm go to konqueror
> then navigate to the rpm file and right click on it and scroll down to
> preview in krpmview. For a tar file or zip file do as above but this time
> select open with ark.
mc does all the OP asked for, and more..
and, YaST too..
i have no idea if it can be done with konqueror (never tried as mc is
far too easy...and quicker than konqueror ever dreamed of being)..
and, i wouldn't want to open anything up with ark just to see what is
inside..
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DenverD
Darklight
May 28, 2012, 3:01:24 AM5/28/12
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Shmuel Metz
May 28, 2012, 9:02:35 AM5/28/12
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In <slrnjs6kqp...@penne.houghi>, on 05/28/2012
at 12:28 PM, houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> said:
>If you are older then the world and remember DOS times: mc is
>like nc or Norton Commander.
There was no Norton Commander in DOS/360 ;-)
The world did not begin with the PC industry, and some of us go back
farther.
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at 12:28 PM, houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> said:
>If you are older then the world and remember DOS times: mc is
>like nc or Norton Commander.
There was no Norton Commander in DOS/360 ;-)
The world did not begin with the PC industry, and some of us go back
farther.
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Lew Pitcher
May 28, 2012, 9:04:43 PM5/28/12
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On Monday 28 May 2012 09:02, in alt.os.linux.suse,
> The world did not begin with the PC industry, and some of us go back
> farther.
I started on DOS/360 (we had 2 360/30's in our shop when I started in 1977).
Later, I was a system programmer on DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, and VSE/ESA
systems.
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Lew Pitcher
spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid wrote:
> In <slrnjs6kqp...@penne.houghi>, on 05/28/2012
> at 12:28 PM, houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> said:
>
>>If you are older then the world and remember DOS times: mc is
>>like nc or Norton Commander.
>
> There was no Norton Commander in DOS/360 ;-)
But, DITTO came close
> In <slrnjs6kqp...@penne.houghi>, on 05/28/2012
> at 12:28 PM, houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid> said:
>
>>If you are older then the world and remember DOS times: mc is
>>like nc or Norton Commander.
>
> There was no Norton Commander in DOS/360 ;-)
> The world did not begin with the PC industry, and some of us go back
> farther.
Later, I was a system programmer on DOS/VS, DOS/VSE, VSE/SP, and VSE/ESA
systems.
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Lew Pitcher
PaulRS
May 29, 2012, 1:26:13 PM5/29/12
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 10:28:41 UTC, houghi <hou...@houghi.org.invalid>
wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
> > no, neither houghi nor i mentioned either konqueror or ark..
> >
> > mc does all the OP asked for, and more..
> > and, YaST too..
>
> ftp and ssh). You can look inside aachive files like zip, gz and rpm.
> You can copy from those as well as write into some. Oh and ISOs as well.
> It recognizes many filetypes and wil open the according program. e.g.
> acrobat reader for pdf files and gmplayer for avi files.
>
> Obviously it is possible to change those applications.
>
> You can also change the colors and not use the default blue. I have done
> this for root, so it is clear I am running as root.
>
> It also has an adequate text editor. Oh and you can still run commands
> by just typing the command.
>
> Most of the times I start it with `mc . .` but something like the
> following is possible as well: `mc /#sh:user...@example.com/~ \
> ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-current/iso`
> And you can start copying the iso file(s) to your ssh server right away.
> Or you can use two ftp sites, or just any combination of directories
>
> Some more info here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander
>
> If anything, everybody should try it for a day. The absolute positive
> thing is that it works both in CLI and in GUI. This means it is ideal to
> use over ssh. And you can use the mouse!
>
> It has been asked to be implemented in the basic installation, but alas
> not allowed yet. Probably because it needs some extra software to run.
>
> But again, try it out. `sudo zypper -n in mc`. I have it on all my
> machines. Obviously my openSUSE ones, but also my nas and also my shell
> at xs4all.nl
>
> houghi
Thanks - I am just enough of an intermediate user that I did not
associate "mc" with Midnight Commander. I see it is part of the
OpenSuSE distro and am in the process of installing it to give it a
try.
On konqueror - I thought that it was replaced by Dolphin and it was
KDE3 - However, I now see it got installed and actually appears under
the "Browsers" menu. I used it a lot for what I wanted under 10.3.
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wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
> > no, neither houghi nor i mentioned either konqueror or ark..
> >
> > mc does all the OP asked for, and more..
> > and, YaST too..
>
> If you are older then the world and remember DOS times: mc is like nc or
> Norton Commander.
>
> Not only can you easily browse around the system (and remote ones with
> Norton Commander.
>
> ftp and ssh). You can look inside aachive files like zip, gz and rpm.
> You can copy from those as well as write into some. Oh and ISOs as well.
> It recognizes many filetypes and wil open the according program. e.g.
> acrobat reader for pdf files and gmplayer for avi files.
>
> Obviously it is possible to change those applications.
>
> You can also change the colors and not use the default blue. I have done
> this for root, so it is clear I am running as root.
>
> It also has an adequate text editor. Oh and you can still run commands
> by just typing the command.
>
> Most of the times I start it with `mc . .` but something like the
> following is possible as well: `mc /#sh:user...@example.com/~ \
> ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/openSUSE-current/iso`
> And you can start copying the iso file(s) to your ssh server right away.
> Or you can use two ftp sites, or just any combination of directories
>
> Some more info here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Commander
>
> If anything, everybody should try it for a day. The absolute positive
> thing is that it works both in CLI and in GUI. This means it is ideal to
> use over ssh. And you can use the mouse!
>
> It has been asked to be implemented in the basic installation, but alas
> not allowed yet. Probably because it needs some extra software to run.
>
> But again, try it out. `sudo zypper -n in mc`. I have it on all my
> machines. Obviously my openSUSE ones, but also my nas and also my shell
> at xs4all.nl
>
> houghi
Thanks - I am just enough of an intermediate user that I did not
associate "mc" with Midnight Commander. I see it is part of the
OpenSuSE distro and am in the process of installing it to give it a
try.
On konqueror - I thought that it was replaced by Dolphin and it was
KDE3 - However, I now see it got installed and actually appears under
the "Browsers" menu. I used it a lot for what I wanted under 10.3.
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Shmuel Metz
May 29, 2012, 9:11:39 AM5/29/12
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In <MgVwr.15117$FL3....@newsfe11.iad>, on 05/28/2012
at 09:04 PM, Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> said:
>But, DITTO came close
DITTO does Dallas. Her comeptitor does everything but eat.
>I started on DOS/360 (we had 2 360/30's in our shop when I started
>in 1977).
Newbie! I write that in the sure and certain knowledge that someone
here was around before me ;-)
at 09:04 PM, Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> said:
>But, DITTO came close
DITTO does Dallas. Her comeptitor does everything but eat.
>I started on DOS/360 (we had 2 360/30's in our shop when I started
>in 1977).
here was around before me ;-)
Paul J Gans
May 30, 2012, 9:45:32 AM5/30/12
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>In <MgVwr.15117$FL3....@newsfe11.iad>, on 05/28/2012
> at 09:04 PM, Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> said:
>>But, DITTO came close
>DITTO does Dallas. Her comeptitor does everything but eat.
>>I started on DOS/360 (we had 2 360/30's in our shop when I started
>>in 1977).
>Newbie! I write that in the sure and certain knowledge that someone
>here was around before me ;-)
>--
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel>
I'm sure you are right. I don't claim to be around the longest,
>In <MgVwr.15117$FL3....@newsfe11.iad>, on 05/28/2012
> at 09:04 PM, Lew Pitcher <lpit...@teksavvy.com> said:
>>But, DITTO came close
>DITTO does Dallas. Her comeptitor does everything but eat.
>>I started on DOS/360 (we had 2 360/30's in our shop when I started
>>in 1977).
>Newbie! I write that in the sure and certain knowledge that someone
>here was around before me ;-)
>--
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel>
but I do go back to the days when Knuth was an undergraduate.
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