Leap Upgrades

[Paul R Schmidtbleicher]

On my desktop I run Tumbleweed because I like the idea of "Cutting Edge."
I run <zypper dup> whenever upgrades rise to >400

On my Laptop, I would like to install and run "Leap" as the more stable
and less needing upgrades.

My Question for those running How often do you upgrade?
Is it a similar operation with a <zypper dup>?

Paul

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2024-01-26 01:33, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
> On my desktop I run Tumbleweed because I like the idea of "Cutting Edge."
> I run <zypper dup> whenever upgrades rise to >400
>
> On my Laptop, I would like to install and run "Leap" as the more stable
> and less needing upgrades.
>
> My Question for those running How often do you upgrade?

Never.

I do updates, not upgrades.

> Is it a similar operation with a <zypper dup>?

zypper patch and zypper up or use yast onlines updates module.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Don Vito Martinelli]

The Updater runs every 24 hours (it is configurable) or when you run it
by hand (the "Show hidden icons" up-arrow bottom right, and then
Software Updates). Normal behaviour is that it then tells you that
there are updates (3-5 days a week), and what they are. You can
"unselect" updates and then update the rest of what they suggest, or you
can do nothing and carry the update out before you shut the machine down
(or not).

Carlos does not use this feature, he does it by hand.

There are updates I am happy performing on a running system, and there
are updates I am more careful with (Kernel, systemd, Firefox if I am
using it at the time).

Sometimes performing the updates takes a few seconds (I have a fast
connection), sometimes a couple of minutes. A Kernel update is quite
large and includes running some long scripts once it's complete, at that
point the system will tell you it wants you to reboot. I'll ignore that
request with some "products" (kernel-microcode for instance) but not
with the kernel itself.

[bad sector]

The general population considers update synonymous with upgrade as has
been proven by millions of similar questions, comments, and assorted
waste of bandwith over the years. There can of course be nothing wrong
with popular usage of language because it, solely and it the first
place, is what using people make of it and do with it. The real problem
as usual was born when devs picked a theoretically correct but
practically unwise name for what they call an upgrade. That, should have
been named something else in the beginning, like uplevel or something
(remember IBM Warp's 'backlevel'?). Mind you, in such a case some would
still confuse uplevel with update :-)

As for the OP's question I think Yast's manual updating feature is
UNBEATABLE, after all Linux mortals should be able to use a keyboard but
only when they so desire. I update when I feel like it and I for one
would have liked to see Yast just as operational in Tumbleweed (don't
wanna get into why that could not work arguments).



--
Few people really understand why the hindlick maneuver just plain works.

[Andrew]

bad sector wrote:
> On 1/25/24 19:49, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-01-26 01:33, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:
>>> On my desktop I run Tumbleweed because I like the idea of "Cutting
>>> Edge."
>>> I run <zypper dup> whenever upgrades rise to >400
>>>
>>> On my Laptop, I would like to install and run "Leap" as the more stable
>>> and less needing upgrades.
>>>
>>> My Question for those running How often do you upgrade?
>>
>> Never.
>>
>> I do updates, not upgrades.
>>
>>> Is it a similar operation with a <zypper dup>?
>>
>> zypper patch and zypper up or use yast onlines updates module.
>
> The general population considers update synonymous with upgrade as has
> been proven by millions of similar questions, comments, and assorted
> waste of bandwith over the years. There can of course be nothing wrong
> with popular usage of language because it, solely and it the first
> place, is what using people make of it and do with it. The real problem
> as usual was born when devs picked a theoretically correct but
> practically unwise name for what they call an upgrade. That, should have
> been named something else in the beginning, like uplevel or something
> (remember IBM Warp's 'backlevel'?). Mind you, in such a case some would
> still confuse uplevel with update :-)

Carlos was perfectly correct when he pointed out that Paul was asking
about Updates (within a level) rather than Upgrades (to a new level).
Tumbleweed is a rolling release so the difference between the two words
is arbitrary there, when it comes to Leap it does make a difference.

>
> As for the OP's question I think Yast's manual updating feature is
> UNBEATABLE, after all Linux mortals should be able to use a keyboard but
> only when they so desire. I update when I feel like it and I for one
> would have liked to see Yast just as operational in Tumbleweed (don't
> wanna get into why that could not work arguments).
>
>
>

That was a reply to "how often"? Just barely.