[Init] BSD vs. SysV
Sensei
I'm a redhat user since RH6, and I switched to that distro after
experiencing Slack 5.2. I'm quite disappointed with the rh politics
about packages and kde, so I'd like to go back to the first love.
I know slack has a BSD init, while rh/mdk/... use the sysV init scheme.
Personally I like sysV init (nice and clean) and I know i'd be able to
use it under slack, but it would be nice not to mess up the init.
The question is - and sorry for the length of this post: is there a way
to start/stop daemons like sysV? I mean like 'iptables restart' or the
only way is to re-init (init, telinit)?
Thanks! ;)
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Joost Kremers
> Hello everybody!
>
> I'm a redhat user since RH6, and I switched to that distro after
> experiencing Slack 5.2. I'm quite disappointed with the rh politics
5.2 never existed... ;-)
> about packages and kde, so I'd like to go back to the first love.
>
> I know slack has a BSD init, while rh/mdk/... use the sysV init scheme.
> Personally I like sysV init (nice and clean) and I know i'd be able to
> use it under slack, but it would be nice not to mess up the init.
>
> The question is - and sorry for the length of this post: is there a way
> to start/stop daemons like sysV? I mean like 'iptables restart' or the
> only way is to re-init (init, telinit)?
go through the init scripts in /etc/rc.d: they're not so very difficult to
understand. (and they're much cleaner than RH's SysV, BTW. ;-) especially
rc.sysvinit may be of interest.
in fact, some of the rc.* scripts do use `rc.* start|stop|restart'. it
shouldn't be too difficult to modify any scripts you'd like to act the same
way.
you should also try a google search, i'm pretty sure this topic has been
discussed before. (in fact, i vaguely remember there's a project somewhere
that replaces the slack init scripts with SysV-style scripts.)
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Sensei
> 5.2 never existed... ;-)
I remeber the 4-cd sets (one for the os, 2 for sunsite, 1 for another
site), was it 5.0? :?) Memory leaks...
> go through the init scripts in /etc/rc.d: they're not so very difficult to
> [...]
> that replaces the slack init scripts with SysV-style scripts.)
The slackware init already supports SysV init scheme, but I'd like to
keep a clean bsd init, I don't want to have a half-way-init ;) I just
wanted to start/stop/restart/status a service. I can have it by a 'ps',
but it's not so pretty ;)
Joost Kremers
> Joost Kremers wrote:
>> 5.2 never existed... ;-)
>
> I remeber the 4-cd sets (one for the os, 2 for sunsite, 1 for another
> site), was it 5.0? :?) Memory leaks...
slackware went from 4.x to 7.0, so there never was a 5.anything:
http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#0
>> go through the init scripts in /etc/rc.d: they're not so very difficult to
> > [...]
>> that replaces the slack init scripts with SysV-style scripts.)
>
> The slackware init already supports SysV init scheme, but I'd like to
> keep a clean bsd init, I don't want to have a half-way-init ;) I just
> wanted to start/stop/restart/status a service. I can have it by a 'ps',
> but it's not so pretty ;)
how do you think SysV init starts and stops services? it also kills by PID.
like i said, just take a look at slack's init scripts. some of them use a
start|stop|restart parameter. all you need to do then is make a few
symlinks in /sbin to /etc/rc.d if you want to be able to do a `rc.sshd
restart' from anywhere.
Sensei
> slackware went from 4.x to 7.0, so there never was a 5.anything:
>
> http://www.slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#0
God, it was the 1997 and was the Slackware 3.2... Gosh...
George Georgakis
> God, it was the 1997 and was the Slackware 3.2... Gosh...
It could have been 3.2. OTOH, you had a pick of 4 versions in the 1997
calendar year:
Wed 3 Jul, 1996: Slackware96 (v. 3.1.0)
Mon 17 Feb, 1997: Slackware 3.2
Fri 11 Jul, 1997: Slackware 3.3
Tue 14 Oct, 1997: Slackware 3.4
Ah, now _that_ was a year of multiple releases!
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Chris Sorenson
> Sensei <sen...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>
>
>>God, it was the 1997 and was the Slackware 3.2... Gosh...
>
>
> It could have been 3.2. OTOH, you had a pick of 4 versions in the 1997
> calendar year:
>
> Wed 3 Jul, 1996: Slackware96 (v. 3.1.0)
> Mon 17 Feb, 1997: Slackware 3.2
> Fri 11 Jul, 1997: Slackware 3.3
> Tue 14 Oct, 1997: Slackware 3.4
>
> Ah, now _that_ was a year of multiple releases!
>
3.2 was the first version that I purchased on "offical release" CD's
from Walnut Creek.
Oh, the heart-warm-i-ness! :D
Sensei
>
> 3.2 was the first version that I purchased on "offical release" CD's
> from Walnut Creek.
>
> Oh, the heart-warm-i-ness! :D
>
It was the first linux distro I bought! ... and downloaded AfterStep:
fvw95 (I don't remember the exact name) was just horrible!
Jurgen Philippaerts
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On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:00:11AM -0600, Chris Sorenson wrote:
> >Mon 17 Feb, 1997: Slackware 3.2
> 3.2 was the first version that I purchased on "offical release" CD's
> from Walnut Creek.
> Oh, the heart-warm-i-ness! :D
i got my copy of slackware 3.2 on the InfoMagic Linux Developer's
resource 6-CD set.
along with two other distributions which will remain unnamed here :)
Jurgen.
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Alan Hicks
> Personally I like sysV init (nice and clean)
Mark this down. For the first time in history, some one has called SysV
Init "nice and clean". Oh the humanity!
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Eef Hartman
> slackware went from 4.x to 7.0, so there never was a 5.anything:
Actually even from 4.0 (not x) to 7.0.
So there were multiple 3.x versions, only a single 4.0 and then 7.x (0 and 1 only),
8.x (again 0 and 1) and the next one probably will be 9.0
The slackware ftp site still has all versions since 3.3 available:
drwxrwxr-x 16 volkerdi users 4096 Aug 28 16:18 slackware-3.3
drwxrwxr-x 16 volkerdi users 4096 Feb 21 2001 slackware-3.4
drwxrwxr-x 16 volkerdi users 4096 Feb 21 2001 slackware-3.5
drwxrwxr-x 16 volkerdi users 4096 Feb 21 2001 slackware-3.6
drwxrwxr-x 15 volkerdi users 4096 Feb 21 2001 slackware-3.9
drwxrwxr-x 17 volkerdi users 4096 Feb 21 2001 slackware-4.0
drwxr-xr-x 18 volkerdi users 4096 Jun 22 2002 slackware-7.0
drwxr-xr-x 19 volkerdi users 4096 Jun 26 2002 slackware-7.1
drwxr-xr-x 18 volkerdi users 4096 Sep 18 13:42 slackware-8.0
drwxr-xr-x 12 volkerdi users 4096 Feb 18 21:15 slackware-8.1
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Joost Kremers
> The slackware ftp site still has all versions since 3.3 available:
that's nothing. ftp.kpn.be (i.e. jurgen) still has all versions from 1.1.2:
drwxr-xr-x 58 root 100 4096 Feb 4 2002 slackware-1.1.2
drwxr-xr-x 10 root 100 4096 Feb 7 2002 slackware-2.0.1
drwxr-xr-x 16 root 100 4096 Sep 24 10:46 slackware-2.2.0
drwxr-xr-x 15 root 100 4096 Sep 24 10:48 slackware-2.3
drwxr-xr-x 15 root 100 4096 Sep 24 10:48 slackware-3.0
drwxr-xr-x 16 root 100 4096 Sep 24 10:50 slackware-3.1
drwxr-xr-x 13 root 100 4096 Feb 4 2002 slackware-3.2
drwxr-xr-x 15 root 100 4096 Sep 24 10:51 slackware-3.3
[snip rest]
Eef Hartman
> drwxr-xr-x 58 root 100 4096 Feb 4 2002 slackware-1.1.2
> drwxr-xr-x 10 root 100 4096 Feb 7 2002 slackware-2.0.1
I think sw 2.0 was the first I ever used (it was with the 1.0.9 kernel,
in 1994 or so). 3.0 was the first one I _bought_ as downloading it and
putting it on floppies was getting too long (and too much).
mork from ork
>
>i got my copy of slackware 3.2 on the InfoMagic Linux Developer's
>resource 6-CD set.
>
>along with two other distributions which will remain unnamed here :)
>
Mine came with Slackware 96.
don't forget the goodies on the other 3 CDs, like the Metro X server and the
Sunsite archive. They're still useful.
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Simon
<har...@dutitbc.twi.tudelft.nl> wrote:
> So there were multiple 3.x versions, only a single 4.0 and then 7.x
> (0 and 1 only),
> 8.x (again 0 and 1) and the next one probably will be 9.0
There was also 8.1.01, released not long after 8.1 to fix an Apache
security hole & upgrade a couple of packages.
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