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Avoi...@gmail.com
Apr 14, 2013, 8:52:11 PM4/14/13
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I want to experiment on the rPi without a keyboard.
It seems that if you could remove the need to keyin the
User & Password, and that `login` just proceeded and
gpm was running and lines of commands where visible
on the screen, you could paste-in the initial commands
off the screen.
The EOL to activate the CLI is also obtained from the screen.
! Oh crap, gpm needs keybrd <shift> to `copy`!
There are some programs which mouse-copy without
keyboard, and perhaps access shell via the mouse only.
Probably several editors.
How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
== TIA.
It seems that if you could remove the need to keyin the
User & Password, and that `login` just proceeded and
gpm was running and lines of commands where visible
on the screen, you could paste-in the initial commands
off the screen.
The EOL to activate the CLI is also obtained from the screen.
! Oh crap, gpm needs keybrd <shift> to `copy`!
There are some programs which mouse-copy without
keyboard, and perhaps access shell via the mouse only.
Probably several editors.
How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
== TIA.
Henrik Carlqvist
Apr 15, 2013, 2:38:42 AM4/15/13
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:52:11 +0000, Avoid9Pdf wrote:
> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
I have set up my keyboard-less machines to be operated by a remote
> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
control like this: http://poolhem.se/video/
Or simply just to be connected to the network and operated through
ssh. How the machenes are configured depends entirely upon their intended
usage.
regards Henrik
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Gandalf Parker
Apr 15, 2013, 10:15:39 AM4/15/13
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Avoi...@gmail.com contributed wisdom to news:kkfivp$r71$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
Many internet servers run without keyboard, mouse, monitor.
Mine does. Once its setup properly the boot routine loads all of the needed
services so that it operates fine without me. I can always hook up the
needed equip to get into it if I need to.
>
> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
Mine does. Once its setup properly the boot routine loads all of the needed
services so that it operates fine without me. I can always hook up the
needed equip to get into it if I need to.
Keith Keller
Apr 15, 2013, 1:47:13 PM4/15/13
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.slackware.]
On 2013-04-15, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
> I have set up my keyboard-less machines to be operated by a remote
> control like this: http://poolhem.se/video/
I like that many of your images have a mallet next to the gear. :)
(Oddly appropriate considering the OP.)
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On 2013-04-15, Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.C...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
> I have set up my keyboard-less machines to be operated by a remote
> control like this: http://poolhem.se/video/
(Oddly appropriate considering the OP.)
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Unknown
Apr 16, 2013, 8:05:56 AM4/16/13
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:38:42 +0000, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:52:11 +0000, Avoid9Pdf wrote:
>> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
>
> I have set up my keyboard-less machines to be operated by a remote
> control like this: http://poolhem.se/video/
>
> Or simply just to be connected to the network and operated through ssh.
> How the machenes are configured depends entirely upon their intended
> usage.
>
> regards Henrik
Well, yes: I DO try to word the 'Subject' for the essence of the topic,
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:52:11 +0000, Avoid9Pdf wrote:
>> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
>
> I have set up my keyboard-less machines to be operated by a remote
> control like this: http://poolhem.se/video/
>
> Or simply just to be connected to the network and operated through ssh.
> How the machenes are configured depends entirely upon their intended
> usage.
>
> regards Henrik
but the CONTEXT you've all just skipped/snipped. So here AGAIN:--------
I want to experiment on the rPi without a keyboard. It seems that if you
could remove the need to keyin the User & Password, and that `login` just
proceeded and gpm was running and lines of commands where visible on the
screen, you could paste-in the initial commands off the screen.
The EOL to activate the CLI is also obtained from the screen. ! Oh crap,
gpm needs keybrd <shift> to `copy`! There are some programs which
mouse-copy without keyboard, and perhaps access shell via the mouse only.
Probably several editors.
could remove the need to keyin the User & Password, and that `login` just
proceeded and gpm was running and lines of commands where visible on the
screen, you could paste-in the initial commands off the screen.
The EOL to activate the CLI is also obtained from the screen. ! Oh crap,
gpm needs keybrd <shift> to `copy`! There are some programs which
mouse-copy without keyboard, and perhaps access shell via the mouse only.
Probably several editors.
How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
=======================
BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer.
Which can display on a TV [3rd world] via a RCA cable.
I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
This needs original thought. Not what you've-got-already.
I've scratched around /etc/rc.D?S which seems to be near where the
login is done.
NB. think minimalist. No network.
The whole idea is to escape the bloat of the WinTel monopolists;
not just adding more layers;
the American infinite frontier is over boys.
== TIA.
Gandalf Parker
Apr 16, 2013, 10:08:40 AM4/16/13
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Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjer3$h01$1@dont-
email.me:
> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer.
> Which can display on a TV [3rd world] via a RCA cable.
> I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
I have thought about the Raspberry Pi.
Particularly when one of my favorite deep-strategy games started
supporting it (Conquest of Elysium 3)and those devs might even make their
deeper strategy game (Dominions 3) support it if there is interest.
Im not sure of the answer. You might look into some of the other
raspberry projects where they are using them in stand-alone projects.
Like the solar powered self-automated toy-sized boats going across the
ocean collecting data, or up in balloons, or hidden in the deep woods
vidcams.
I was having fun with thoughts about some of the creative input options.
Like a wifi mouse, or an air mouse glove (hand motions only). Maybe see
if Mobile Mouse can work with it (turns iphone or ipod touch into mouse
for pc/mac. home theatre or presenter use). Or maybe that wand for a
Harry Potter effect.
For keyboard I was thinking maybe a virtual "projection keyboard" that
draws the keyboard on any desktop surface using weak laser lights. Or the
gauntlet keyboard, or wrist keyboard. Or the one that is a watch. Hell Im
even geek enough to get the tattoo. Or maybe just go for voice control.
especially with subvocal recognition.
For creative input options look into new advances in "wearable
computers". The idea of a credit-card sized full computer using those
interfaces is mindblowing. (I just want it all waterproof so I can
telecommute from a hottub)
Yes yes I know. I am way too into techno-mage thinking. We are quickly
moving into an era where it does not have to be dry tech if it can be
magical tech. :)
Gandalf Parker
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I knew the future was coming.
But it seems to be coming faster and faster every day.
email.me:
> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer.
> Which can display on a TV [3rd world] via a RCA cable.
> I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
Particularly when one of my favorite deep-strategy games started
supporting it (Conquest of Elysium 3)and those devs might even make their
deeper strategy game (Dominions 3) support it if there is interest.
Im not sure of the answer. You might look into some of the other
raspberry projects where they are using them in stand-alone projects.
Like the solar powered self-automated toy-sized boats going across the
ocean collecting data, or up in balloons, or hidden in the deep woods
vidcams.
I was having fun with thoughts about some of the creative input options.
Like a wifi mouse, or an air mouse glove (hand motions only). Maybe see
if Mobile Mouse can work with it (turns iphone or ipod touch into mouse
for pc/mac. home theatre or presenter use). Or maybe that wand for a
Harry Potter effect.
For keyboard I was thinking maybe a virtual "projection keyboard" that
draws the keyboard on any desktop surface using weak laser lights. Or the
gauntlet keyboard, or wrist keyboard. Or the one that is a watch. Hell Im
even geek enough to get the tattoo. Or maybe just go for voice control.
especially with subvocal recognition.
For creative input options look into new advances in "wearable
computers". The idea of a credit-card sized full computer using those
interfaces is mindblowing. (I just want it all waterproof so I can
telecommute from a hottub)
Yes yes I know. I am way too into techno-mage thinking. We are quickly
moving into an era where it does not have to be dry tech if it can be
magical tech. :)
Gandalf Parker
--
I knew the future was coming.
But it seems to be coming faster and faster every day.
Unknown
Apr 16, 2013, 12:03:48 PM4/16/13
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without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable pallette of texts
displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to enter anything to CLI
via the mouse.
==TIA.
Michael Black
Apr 16, 2013, 2:05:42 PM4/16/13
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Gandalf Parker wrote:
> For keyboard I was thinking maybe a virtual "projection keyboard" that
> draws the keyboard on any desktop surface using weak laser lights. Or the
> gauntlet keyboard, or wrist keyboard. Or the one that is a watch. Hell Im
> even geek enough to get the tattoo. Or maybe just go for voice control.
> especially with subvocal recognition.
>
One can get keyboards (that look like they come from laptops but which are
> For keyboard I was thinking maybe a virtual "projection keyboard" that
> draws the keyboard on any desktop surface using weak laser lights. Or the
> gauntlet keyboard, or wrist keyboard. Or the one that is a watch. Hell Im
> even geek enough to get the tattoo. Or maybe just go for voice control.
> especially with subvocal recognition.
>
in casing) that include a touchpad, making portability that much simpler,
one unit and cord instead of a keyboard and a mouse. I got one at Rotary
Club garage sale last June. I don't find I like it as a keyboard, but for
five dollars used it's a good thing to have around for testing computers.
One could make a chord keyboard to create a small keyboard for the Pi.
Instead of a key for each of the letters of the alphabet and numbers,
there's 8 keys, one for each bit, and one enters the ascii code. They've
never been wildly available, but every so often they have been built or
sold.
Michael
Michael Black
Apr 16, 2013, 2:11:08 PM4/16/13
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1) stick to the same thread instead of starting a new one when you don't
get the answer you want.
2) Stick to a consistent newsgroup, instead of constantly changing them,
and far better to find the specific one that counts instead of your fairly
constant crossposting
3)Spell out the problem in detail. You've jumped from thread to thread,
and newsgroup to newsgroup, and not everyone ends up stepping in your
threads wherever they go. You take a bit from one thread, and add some
more junk, and then you get new answers, which you then propagate in
another thread somewhere else.
4)Get a keyboard, get a monitor, and do it the old way. Or read a decent
book about Unix or Linux, and then you'd have your answers because there
is nothing new. DOn't confuse booting without a terminal with running
without a terminal, these are two separate things. Don't confuse booting
an "IBM PC Clone" with booting some specialized hardware, because the
booting process will not necessarily be the same. Don't post without
mentioning you are talking about the Rasperberry Pi. Don't go off on one
tangent and then follow some new solution until you go off on another
tangent. Stick to your original concept and solve it, don't jump around.
Michael
Floyd L. Davidson
Apr 16, 2013, 2:38:47 PM4/16/13
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KDE, and install a virtual keyboard program accessed
from an icon on the desktop. Boot using kdm (or gdm or
xdm) to a default user.
If you would like an inexpensive example of exactly what
you are asking about, go to www.pengpod.com and look at
any of 1) a 10" Pengpod tablet, 2) a 7" Penpod tablet,
or 3) the Pengstick. Whichever one suits your physical
needs, be sure to order a 16 or 32 GB bootable micro SD
card to match.
The 10" tablet runs something like $175, the 7" is $110,
and the PengStick is $75. The SD card is $30.
All of those devices run Linaro, which is a derivative
of Ubuntu. For $105 total a PengStick has an HMDI port
and a USB port and requires being plugged in to an AC
wall socket for power. With a 32 GB card it has 28 GB
free for additional software or user data. And let me
tell you from experience, if a 50" TV is used as the
display it is phenominal! A great way to give
presentations.
--
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
Keith Keller
Apr 16, 2013, 2:40:37 PM4/16/13
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.slackware.]
On 2013-04-16, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
> Then
> 1) stick to the same thread instead of starting a new one when you don't
> get the answer you want.
>
> 2) Stick to a consistent newsgroup, instead of constantly changing them,
> and far better to find the specific one that counts instead of your fairly
> constant crossposting
>
> 3)Spell out the problem in detail. You've jumped from thread to thread,
> and newsgroup to newsgroup, and not everyone ends up stepping in your
> threads wherever they go. You take a bit from one thread, and add some
> more junk, and then you get new answers, which you then propagate in
> another thread somewhere else.
The OP is clearly trolling. He knows (from years of experience) that
>
> Then
> 1) stick to the same thread instead of starting a new one when you don't
> get the answer you want.
>
> 2) Stick to a consistent newsgroup, instead of constantly changing them,
> and far better to find the specific one that counts instead of your fairly
> constant crossposting
>
> 3)Spell out the problem in detail. You've jumped from thread to thread,
> and newsgroup to newsgroup, and not everyone ends up stepping in your
> threads wherever they go. You take a bit from one thread, and add some
> more junk, and then you get new answers, which you then propagate in
> another thread somewhere else.
by not following the above advice he's more likely to anger people and get
more responses (and more vitriol). Then he can claim that "linux is
just not ready for X" and produce even more responses explaining why his
conclusion is ridiculous.
Henrik Carlqvist
Apr 16, 2013, 2:45:41 PM4/16/13
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:05:56 +0000, Unknown wrote:
> Well, yes: I DO try to word the 'Subject' for the essence of the topic,
> but the CONTEXT you've all just skipped/snipped.
Sorry, It only seemed like some rant to me.
> Well, yes: I DO try to word the 'Subject' for the essence of the topic,
> but the CONTEXT you've all just skipped/snipped.
> So here AGAIN:--------
No need to take it again. I did my best to answer your questions. Your
original message did consist of 7 sentences. Only one of those sentences
ended with a "?", the other sentences were ended with "." or "!".
Sorry for intepreting that single quoted sentence as a question to which
you wanted an answer. I now understand that you think that you already
have all the answers that you need.
If you really wanted to know how to bypass the login prompt I could tell
you that /etc/inittab is the file to edit. But again, what to replace the
login prompt with depends entirely upon the purpose of the box.
J G Miller
Apr 16, 2013, 3:26:43 PM4/16/13
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On Tuesday, April 16th, 2013, at 18:45:41h +0000, Henrik Carlqvist wrote:
> If you really wanted to know how to bypass the login prompt I could tell
> you that /etc/inittab is the file to edit. But again, what to replace the
> login prompt with depends entirely upon the purpose of the box.
I guess you are not subscribed to either comp.os.linux.misc nor comp.os.linux.hardware
> If you really wanted to know how to bypass the login prompt I could tell
> you that /etc/inittab is the file to edit. But again, what to replace the
> login prompt with depends entirely upon the purpose of the box.
where Chris Glur (Avoi...@gmail.com) has already posted this and other
related questions and received numerous helpful and informative replies.
Subject: plip: StdOut > ttyS0 & ttyS1 > StdOut
From: Avoi...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:36:59 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <kjeqe9$lpn$1...@dont-email.me>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: can rPi drive PC-bidirectional Par-port?
From: Avoi...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 07:52:54 +0000 (UTC)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject: How did tty booting work?
From: Avoi...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:55:23 +0000 (UTC)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: HOW2 boot & run with mouse & NO kybrd?
From: Avoi...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:06:12 +0000 (UTC)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware
[In fact this last question was posted twice for double effect!]
As has happened on numerous occasions, he has become bored and disatisfied with
posting in those news groups, and as is usually apparent, has not taken any
notice of the answers which were posted there.
He appears to suffer from a very short attention span, and/or bad memory,
or maybe is suffering from Alzheimer's Disease, which could explain much of his
bizarre and erratic postings.
In replying to his posts it is imperative that you do not suggest he update
his software or buy new hardware because you will be severely reprimanded for
suggesting that he should "buy a new Ding Dong" (sic).
Ding-Dongs nie geredelik beskikbaar is in die Republiek van Suid-Afrika!
You have now been warned, so please do your bit for "Care in the Community",
and post appropriately.
Unknown
Apr 17, 2013, 3:29:04 AM4/17/13
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:08:40 +0000, Gandalf Parker wrote:
> Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjer3$h01$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer. Which can display on a TV [3rd
>> world] via a RCA cable. I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just
>> the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
>
--snip--
> Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjer3$h01$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer. Which can display on a TV [3rd
>> world] via a RCA cable. I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just
>> the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
>
> For keyboard I was thinking maybe a virtual "projection keyboard" that
> draws the keyboard on any desktop surface using weak laser lights. Or
> the gauntlet keyboard, or wrist keyboard. Or the one that is a watch.
> Hell Im even geek enough to get the tattoo. Or maybe just go for voice
> control. especially with subvocal recognition.
>
whereas I'm starting from a goal, and seeing how far I can simplify rPi's
requirements to achieve the goal.
So eg, with the minimal extra hardware HOW2:
* view the output on your existing PC,
* use rPi on a analogue-TV [I think you've all got digital TV in G8 now?]
without a keyboard; so, be able to `paste` the input via mouse only.
BTW ETHoberon can be run by mouse only, and you don't need to
bob-yo-head-upNdown between keybrd & screen.
> Gandalf Parker
So what input can your ingenuity contribute to my requirements?
== TIA.
J G Miller
Apr 17, 2013, 8:52:33 AM4/17/13
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Mijnheer Glur,
Is there a good reason why today you are posting under the identity
of "Unknown <d...@gmail.com>" instead of the previous "Avoid9Pdf <Avoi...@gmail.com>"?
On Wednesday, April 17th, 2013, at 07:29:04h +0000, Chris Glur wrote:
> You are starting from the rPi and considering how far FORWARD you can go;
> whereas I'm starting from a goal
identifies the goal and its requirement and then buys the Ding Dong
which is most suited to achieve that goal instead of just buying a
Ding Dong from the medicine man and trying in vain to get it to do
a job for which is not intended?
> and seeing how far I can simplify rPi's requirements to achieve the goal.
You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem which
you have artificially created and for a solution which you never
intend to implement.
--
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Afrikaners that are truly South Africans in the true sense of the word."
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The Natural Philosopher
Apr 17, 2013, 10:01:20 AM4/17/13
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On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
> which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
> never intend to implement.
Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
> which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
> never intend to implement.
'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers 'windows'.
e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
(PS linux can't do that).
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lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
Bobbie Sellers
Apr 17, 2013, 10:46:55 AM4/17/13
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On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
> > never intend to implement.
>
> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
> 'windows'.
>
> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
> (PS linux can't do that).
>
>
Did NP actually write that? I have at least half a dozen
> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
> > never intend to implement.
>
> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
> 'windows'.
>
> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
> (PS linux can't do that).
>
>
windows open on my machine under KDE.
Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
and let outside light into a building. Not without a electo-mechanical
mechanism interfaced to the computer and to the curtains.
All that X-posting looks like a Troll to me so I really doubt
this is the Natural Philosopher. Maybe he got sucked into the troll's
lair and is being food?
bliss
Aragorn
Apr 17, 2013, 10:55:33 AM4/17/13
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On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
comp.os.linux.hardware...
> Mijnheer Glur,
^^^^^^^^
That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
> Is there a good reason why today you are posting under the identity
> of "Unknown <d...@gmail.com>" instead of the previous "Avoid9Pdf
> <Avoi...@gmail.com>"?
Chris Glur regularly changes his sender address, presumably so as to
escape killfile entries.
> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem which
> you have artificially created and for a solution which you never
> intend to implement.
And he has been doing this repeatedly for several years already, each
time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
things which he doesn't understand. And that is exactly /why/ Chris
Glur resides in so many killfiles.
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
comp.os.linux.hardware...
> Mijnheer Glur,
^^^^^^^^
That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
> Is there a good reason why today you are posting under the identity
> of "Unknown <d...@gmail.com>" instead of the previous "Avoid9Pdf
> <Avoi...@gmail.com>"?
escape killfile entries.
> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem which
> you have artificially created and for a solution which you never
> intend to implement.
time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
things which he doesn't understand. And that is exactly /why/ Chris
Glur resides in so many killfiles.
--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net
J G Miller
Apr 17, 2013, 11:52:57 AM4/17/13
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Op woensdag, 17 april, 2013, om 16:55:33u +0200, schreef Aragorn:
> On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
> comp.os.linux.hardware...
>
>> Mijnheer Glur,
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
Eek, I have been rumbled!
So what would one say/write in Afrikaans for "Mijnheer"?
According to Google Translate (which is obviously not perfect)
translating from Dutch "Mijnheer" to Afrikaans gives the same word.
Perhaps, as a mark of respect, he should be addressed as Baas Chris?
> Chris Glur regularly changes his sender address, presumably so as to
> escape killfile entries.
And can you blame him for doing that? ;)
> And he has been doing this repeatedly for several years already, each
> time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
> things which he doesn't understand.
The thing is though, if you look back at the postings from say 10 years
ago in 2003, made under the name of Chris Glur, they were very straight
forward and up front and not of the trolling variety. And Chris Glur
has made contributions to free software projects in the distant past.
So I am not 100% convinced that Chris Glur is posting with an intent of
trolling although it does *appear* to be of the order of 60%-70% that
that is the case.
But appearance are sometimes deceptive and as they say
"the owls are not what they seem." (And just to avoid giving
any wrong impression I have never watched that TV show except
for the opening credits.)
Of course there is always the possibility of identity theft and there
is a malicious troll who has assumed the identity of Chris Glur for
the purpose of denigrating his name?
> On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
> comp.os.linux.hardware...
>
>> Mijnheer Glur,
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
So what would one say/write in Afrikaans for "Mijnheer"?
According to Google Translate (which is obviously not perfect)
translating from Dutch "Mijnheer" to Afrikaans gives the same word.
Perhaps, as a mark of respect, he should be addressed as Baas Chris?
> Chris Glur regularly changes his sender address, presumably so as to
> escape killfile entries.
> And he has been doing this repeatedly for several years already, each
> time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
> things which he doesn't understand.
ago in 2003, made under the name of Chris Glur, they were very straight
forward and up front and not of the trolling variety. And Chris Glur
has made contributions to free software projects in the distant past.
So I am not 100% convinced that Chris Glur is posting with an intent of
trolling although it does *appear* to be of the order of 60%-70% that
that is the case.
But appearance are sometimes deceptive and as they say
"the owls are not what they seem." (And just to avoid giving
any wrong impression I have never watched that TV show except
for the opening credits.)
Of course there is always the possibility of identity theft and there
is a malicious troll who has assumed the identity of Chris Glur for
the purpose of denigrating his name?
Gandalf Parker
Apr 17, 2013, 11:55:18 AM4/17/13
to
Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjsp4$o73$1@dont-
email.me:
> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file displayed,
> without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable pallette of texts
> displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to enter anything to CLI
> via the mouse.
For better pointers I would need more specifics. Im not seeing the problem
yet.
If your bootup routines sets up everything you want, and auto logs in the
root user, then you dont have to go thru login. Generally this is a not-
recommended thing to do but for this use I could see it.
A basic mouse hooked up to a linux running in text mode has a curser (a lit
square) and supports double-click to start a program or open a text file.
You would probably need a listing to display the text files you might be
needing so that you can mouse-click on them. Maybe have the bootup feed a
list of useful commands into your history file so that you can just use a
mouse-wheel to scroll up thru the history and click on what you want.
You could create ANSI menus (old-style colored text menus from BBS or
Gopher days). I remember having such menus in the days before WWW. The
users menu had a screen full of basic useful commands. And each item was
mouse-clickable.
You might reprogram some things on the mouse like button combos to do some
basic commands.
Gandalf Parker
email.me:
> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file displayed,
> without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable pallette of texts
> displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to enter anything to CLI
> via the mouse.
yet.
If your bootup routines sets up everything you want, and auto logs in the
root user, then you dont have to go thru login. Generally this is a not-
recommended thing to do but for this use I could see it.
A basic mouse hooked up to a linux running in text mode has a curser (a lit
square) and supports double-click to start a program or open a text file.
You would probably need a listing to display the text files you might be
needing so that you can mouse-click on them. Maybe have the bootup feed a
list of useful commands into your history file so that you can just use a
mouse-wheel to scroll up thru the history and click on what you want.
You could create ANSI menus (old-style colored text menus from BBS or
Gopher days). I remember having such menus in the days before WWW. The
users menu had a screen full of basic useful commands. And each item was
mouse-clickable.
You might reprogram some things on the mouse like button combos to do some
basic commands.
Gandalf Parker
Aragorn
Apr 17, 2013, 12:09:31 PM4/17/13
to
[Follow-up set to alt.os.linux.debian]
On Wednesday 17 April 2013 17:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
in Afrikaans and is most commonly substituted by "y", which is
historically more correct and is pronounced the same way.
In Dutch, one can also say "meneer" instead of "mijnheer", and I presume
that the word also exists in Afrikaans. Mind you, I do speak a fair
amount of Afrikaans, but it is not my native tongue either and so I
don't know everything either. ;-)
> Perhaps, as a mark of respect, he should be addressed as Baas Chris?
Heh, that's a good one. :p
>> Chris Glur regularly changes his sender address, presumably so as to
>> escape killfile entries.
>
> And can you blame him for doing that? ;)
It is a form of nymshifting, and nymshifting in order to elude
killfilters is trollish behavior.
>> And he has been doing this repeatedly for several years already, each
>> time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
>> things which he doesn't understand.
>
> The thing is though, if you look back at the postings from say 10
> years ago in 2003, made under the name of Chris Glur, they were very
> straight forward and up front and not of the trolling variety. And
> Chris Glur has made contributions to free software projects in the
> distant past.
I am aware of that, yes, even if only because that is what I've seen
other people state about him.
> So I am not 100% convinced that Chris Glur is posting with an intent
> of trolling although it does *appear* to be of the order of 60%-70%
> that that is the case.
I don't think it would be his _intent_ to troll, but in the end, that
/is/ what he's doing.
> Of course there is always the possibility of identity theft and there
> is a malicious troll who has assumed the identity of Chris Glur for
> the purpose of denigrating his name?
That is possible. However, my personal take on this is that Chris Glur
has some serious personality issues. Maybe he has not always been like
this, and maybe there is a sound medical reason for his change in
behavior and perception. I don't know.
All I see is the end result, which is that Chris Glur is a dense,
ungrateful and at times very rude person who repeatedly changes his
posting identity via throwaway e-mail addresses because he knows he gets
killfiled.
On Wednesday 17 April 2013 17:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
comp.os.linux.hardware...
> Op woensdag, 17 april, 2013, om 16:55:33u +0200, schreef Aragorn:
>
>> On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following
>> to comp.os.linux.hardware...
>>
>>> Mijnheer Glur,
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>> That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
>
> Eek, I have been rumbled!
>
> So what would one say/write in Afrikaans for "Mijnheer"?
>
> According to Google Translate (which is obviously not perfect)
> translating from Dutch "Mijnheer" to Afrikaans gives the same word.
Well, it is possible, but the compound vowel "ij" is not normally used
> Op woensdag, 17 april, 2013, om 16:55:33u +0200, schreef Aragorn:
>
>> On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following
>> to comp.os.linux.hardware...
>>
>>> Mijnheer Glur,
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>> That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
>
> Eek, I have been rumbled!
>
> So what would one say/write in Afrikaans for "Mijnheer"?
>
> According to Google Translate (which is obviously not perfect)
> translating from Dutch "Mijnheer" to Afrikaans gives the same word.
in Afrikaans and is most commonly substituted by "y", which is
historically more correct and is pronounced the same way.
In Dutch, one can also say "meneer" instead of "mijnheer", and I presume
that the word also exists in Afrikaans. Mind you, I do speak a fair
amount of Afrikaans, but it is not my native tongue either and so I
don't know everything either. ;-)
> Perhaps, as a mark of respect, he should be addressed as Baas Chris?
>> Chris Glur regularly changes his sender address, presumably so as to
>> escape killfile entries.
>
> And can you blame him for doing that? ;)
killfilters is trollish behavior.
>> And he has been doing this repeatedly for several years already, each
>> time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
>> things which he doesn't understand.
>
> The thing is though, if you look back at the postings from say 10
> years ago in 2003, made under the name of Chris Glur, they were very
> straight forward and up front and not of the trolling variety. And
> Chris Glur has made contributions to free software projects in the
> distant past.
other people state about him.
> So I am not 100% convinced that Chris Glur is posting with an intent
> of trolling although it does *appear* to be of the order of 60%-70%
> that that is the case.
/is/ what he's doing.
> Of course there is always the possibility of identity theft and there
> is a malicious troll who has assumed the identity of Chris Glur for
> the purpose of denigrating his name?
has some serious personality issues. Maybe he has not always been like
this, and maybe there is a sound medical reason for his change in
behavior and perception. I don't know.
All I see is the end result, which is that Chris Glur is a dense,
ungrateful and at times very rude person who repeatedly changes his
posting identity via throwaway e-mail addresses because he knows he gets
killfiled.
Joe
Apr 17, 2013, 1:02:59 PM4/17/13
to
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:01:20 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
> > You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
> > never intend to implement.
>
> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer
> is 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
> 'windows'.
>
One would be hard put to find any version of Windows which would run on
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
> > You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
> > never intend to implement.
>
> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer
> is 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
> 'windows'.
>
a Pi. It's ARM, for a start, and I cannot imagine Win 8 RT or whatever
it's currently called running off an SD card in 512M of RAM. XP just
about runs comfortably in that.
--
Joe
Unknown
Apr 17, 2013, 1:29:46 PM4/17/13
to
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:52:33 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
> Mijnheer Glur,
>
> Is there a good reason why today you are posting under the identity of
> "Unknown <d...@gmail.com>" instead of the previous "Avoid9Pdf
> <Avoi...@gmail.com>"?
>
> On Wednesday, April 17th, 2013, at 07:29:04h +0000, Chris Glur wrote:
>
>> You are starting from the rPi and considering how far FORWARD you can
>> go; whereas I'm starting from a goal
>
> Surely you must agree that common sense suggests that one first
> identifies the goal and its requirement and then buys the Ding Dong
> which is most suited to achieve that goal instead of just buying a Ding
> Dong from the medicine man and trying in vain to get it to do a job for
> which is not intended?
>
>> and seeing how far I can simplify rPi's requirements to achieve the
>> goal.
>
> No you are not seeing that at all.
>
> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem which
> you have artificially created and for a solution which you never intend
> to implement.
OK, see if you kiddies can follow this:
> Mijnheer Glur,
>
> Is there a good reason why today you are posting under the identity of
> "Unknown <d...@gmail.com>" instead of the previous "Avoid9Pdf
> <Avoi...@gmail.com>"?
>
> On Wednesday, April 17th, 2013, at 07:29:04h +0000, Chris Glur wrote:
>
>> You are starting from the rPi and considering how far FORWARD you can
>> go; whereas I'm starting from a goal
>
> Surely you must agree that common sense suggests that one first
> identifies the goal and its requirement and then buys the Ding Dong
> which is most suited to achieve that goal instead of just buying a Ding
> Dong from the medicine man and trying in vain to get it to do a job for
> which is not intended?
>
>> and seeing how far I can simplify rPi's requirements to achieve the
>> goal.
>
> No you are not seeing that at all.
>
> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem which
> you have artificially created and for a solution which you never intend
> to implement.
rPi is a minimalist/credit-card-sized computer;
if you were a racing-cycle enthusiast you'd be interested in some
extreme criteria, which the normal obsese Californian would consider
'you never intend to implement';
AFAIK the need to login, is the bottleneck, which prevents the rpi from
being used without a keyboard. Once I've logged in, I can design a setup
to run via mouse only.
Obviously there are MANY situations where some people would want to just
have a rPi, mouse, mini-PSU in their pocket, and be just able to plug the
RCA wire into the PAL-TV and fly.
BTW do you kiddies realise that going-in-foot-ball-herds, is what prevents
you from being able to think out of the box? Which is why the
herd-mentality promoted by FB/twitter is going to give bad results for the
future.
And since, like pre-adolescent girlies, you are all obsesed with names,
and personalities, why don't you move to the celebrities and social fora
and leave this for the scientists & engineers.
Keith Keller
Apr 17, 2013, 2:11:50 PM4/17/13
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.slackware. Newsgroups:
restored to be sure to reach all four groups]
On 2013-04-17, Aragorn <str...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
> All I see is the end result, which is that Chris Glur is a dense,
> ungrateful and at times very rude person who repeatedly changes his
> posting identity via throwaway e-mail addresses because he knows he gets
> killfiled.
This is a very astute summary of the OP's posting habits. I hope that
all regular readers of all four newsgroups will take that into
consideration when posting a response to him.
restored to be sure to reach all four groups]
On 2013-04-17, Aragorn <str...@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
> All I see is the end result, which is that Chris Glur is a dense,
> ungrateful and at times very rude person who repeatedly changes his
> posting identity via throwaway e-mail addresses because he knows he gets
> killfiled.
all regular readers of all four newsgroups will take that into
consideration when posting a response to him.
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 17, 2013, 2:19:43 PM4/17/13
to
On 17/04/13 15:46, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>> > never intend to implement.
>>
>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>> 'windows'.
>>
>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>
>>
>
> Did NP actually write that?
I did.
> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>> > never intend to implement.
>>
>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>> 'windows'.
>>
>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>
>>
>
> Did NP actually write that?
> I have at least half a dozen
> windows open on my machine under KDE.
> Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
> and let outside light into a building. Not without a electo-mechanical
> mechanism interfaced to the computer and to the curtains.
instant orgasm every time you switched it on?
> All that X-posting looks like a Troll to me so I really doubt
> this is the Natural Philosopher. Maybe he got sucked into the troll's
> lair and is being food?
>
> bliss
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 17, 2013, 2:20:51 PM4/17/13
to
On 17/04/13 16:52, J G Miller wrote:
> Op woensdag, 17 april, 2013, om 16:55:33u +0200, schreef Aragorn:
>
>> On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
>> comp.os.linux.hardware...
>>
>>> Mijnheer Glur,
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>> That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
> Eek, I have been rumbled!
>
> So what would one say/write in Afrikaans for "Mijnheer"?
Mynheer IIRC.
> Op woensdag, 17 april, 2013, om 16:55:33u +0200, schreef Aragorn:
>
>> On Wednesday 17 April 2013 14:52, J G Miller conveyed the following to
>> comp.os.linux.hardware...
>>
>>> Mijnheer Glur,
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>
>> That is Dutch, J.G., not Afrikaans. ;-)
> Eek, I have been rumbled!
>
> So what would one say/write in Afrikaans for "Mijnheer"?
> According to Google Translate (which is obviously not perfect)
> translating from Dutch "Mijnheer" to Afrikaans gives the same word.
>
> Perhaps, as a mark of respect, he should be addressed as Baas Chris?
>> Chris Glur regularly changes his sender address, presumably so as to
>> escape killfile entries.
> And can you blame him for doing that? ;)
>
>> And he has been doing this repeatedly for several years already, each
>> time biting the hands that feed him and criticizing or whining about
>> things which he doesn't understand.
> The thing is though, if you look back at the postings from say 10 years
> ago in 2003, made under the name of Chris Glur, they were very straight
> forward and up front and not of the trolling variety. And Chris Glur
> has made contributions to free software projects in the distant past.
>
> So I am not 100% convinced that Chris Glur is posting with an intent of
> trolling although it does *appear* to be of the order of 60%-70% that
> that is the case.
>
> But appearance are sometimes deceptive and as they say
> "the owls are not what they seem." (And just to avoid giving
> any wrong impression I have never watched that TV show except
> for the opening credits.)
>
> Of course there is always the possibility of identity theft and there
> is a malicious troll who has assumed the identity of Chris Glur for
> the purpose of denigrating his name?
Bobbie Sellers
Apr 17, 2013, 2:46:57 PM4/17/13
to
On 04/17/2013 11:19 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/04/13 15:46, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>>> > never intend to implement.
>>>
>>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
>>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>>> 'windows'.
>>>
>>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did NP actually write that?
> I did.
>
>> I have at least half a dozen
>> windows open on my machine under KDE.
>
> ah, but they don let light in do they?
As a matter of fact they let out enough light that I have
> On 17/04/13 15:46, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>>> > never intend to implement.
>>>
>>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
>>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>>> 'windows'.
>>>
>>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did NP actually write that?
> I did.
>
>> I have at least half a dozen
>> windows open on my machine under KDE.
>
> ah, but they don let light in do they?
to lock the screen at night.
>
>> Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
>> and let outside light into a building. Not without a electo-mechanical
>> mechanism interfaced to the computer and to the curtains.
>
> Are you sure? I thought Windows did everything, including give you an
> instant orgasm every time you switched it on?
Well XP and Vista never did that for me. I get a little thrill
>> Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
>> and let outside light into a building. Not without a electo-mechanical
>> mechanism interfaced to the computer and to the curtains.
>
> Are you sure? I thought Windows did everything, including give you an
> instant orgasm every time you switched it on?
when I boot up Linux and it is still working.
>
>> All that X-posting looks like a Troll to me so I really doubt
>> this is the Natural Philosopher. Maybe he got sucked into the troll's
>> lair and is being food?
>>
>
> nah, just a wry comment which seems to have whooshed past you.
>
>> bliss
You are food, and just don't know it.
>> All that X-posting looks like a Troll to me so I really doubt
>> this is the Natural Philosopher. Maybe he got sucked into the troll's
>> lair and is being food?
>>
>
> nah, just a wry comment which seems to have whooshed past you.
>
>> bliss
As for wry comments getting past me maybe I was moving
too fast. Wry is hard to do in this world and on Usenet harder.
G'day.
bliss
Chick Tower
Apr 17, 2013, 3:29:27 PM4/17/13
to
On 2013-04-16, Unknown <d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer.
> Which can display on a TV [3rd world] via a RCA cable.
> I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
> This needs original thought. Not what you've-got-already...
> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer.
> Which can display on a TV [3rd world] via a RCA cable.
> I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just the PSU, mouse, card-CPU.
>
> NB. think minimalist. No network...
Now here, Chris, is an example of why people always ask you what you
want to do, rather than just how to perform some abstract function. You
got answers you thought were not applicable before in this case, but
which did answer the question you actually asked. Now you might get
some that help you make your Raspberry Pi into an easily portable and
usable PC to work in anyone's home. I don't have any suggestions for
that, though.
> the American infinite frontier is over boys.
And here is an example of what you shouldn't do if you want workable
solutions from anyone who might have them. Don't write something that
looks like it could be an insult to such a large part of your audience.
--
Chick Tower
For e-mail: aols2 DOT sent DOT towerboy AT xoxy DOT net
J G Miller
Apr 17, 2013, 3:35:56 PM4/17/13
to
On Wednesday, April 17th, 2013, at 19:20:51h +0100,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Mynheer IIRC.
It seems that Google Translate for Afrikaans is just not up to standard
because it does not recognize that spelling, but Google ZA search
finds lots of instances of that.
> Durs Chirs.
Erm? I cannot find anything relevant with Google ZA for the word "durs".
The only meaning which seems to have some connection with "durs" is hard???
Can you explain the meaning then?
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Mynheer IIRC.
It seems that Google Translate for Afrikaans is just not up to standard
because it does not recognize that spelling, but Google ZA search
finds lots of instances of that.
> Durs Chirs.
Erm? I cannot find anything relevant with Google ZA for the word "durs".
The only meaning which seems to have some connection with "durs" is hard???
Can you explain the meaning then?
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 17, 2013, 3:54:36 PM4/17/13
to
On 17/04/13 19:46, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 04/17/2013 11:19 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/04/13 15:46, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>>>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>>>> > never intend to implement.
>>>>
>>>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the
>>>> answer is
>>>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>>>> 'windows'.
>>>>
>>>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>>>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did NP actually write that?
>> I did.
>>
>>> I have at least half a dozen
>>> windows open on my machine under KDE.
>>
>> ah, but they don let light in do they?
> As a matter of fact they let out enough light that I have
> to lock the screen at night.
IN is not the same as OUT
> On 04/17/2013 11:19 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/04/13 15:46, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>>>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>>>> > never intend to implement.
>>>>
>>>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the
>>>> answer is
>>>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>>>> 'windows'.
>>>>
>>>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>>>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did NP actually write that?
>> I did.
>>
>>> I have at least half a dozen
>>> windows open on my machine under KDE.
>>
>> ah, but they don let light in do they?
> As a matter of fact they let out enough light that I have
> to lock the screen at night.
>>
>>> Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
>>> and let outside light into a building. Not without a electo-mechanical
>>> mechanism interfaced to the computer and to the curtains.
>>
>> Are you sure? I thought Windows did everything, including give you an
>> instant orgasm every time you switched it on?
>
> Well XP and Vista never did that for me. I get a little thrill
> when I boot up Linux and it is still working.
upgrade
>>
>>> All that X-posting looks like a Troll to me so I really doubt
>>> this is the Natural Philosopher. Maybe he got sucked into the troll's
>>> lair and is being food?
>>>
>>
>> nah, just a wry comment which seems to have whooshed past you.
>>
>>> bliss
>
> You are food, and just don't know it.
> As for wry comments getting past me maybe I was moving
> too fast. Wry is hard to do in this world and on Usenet harder.
>
> G'day.
> bliss
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 17, 2013, 3:57:53 PM4/17/13
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it out for me on my sojourn there.
Ah google has it. Doos,. Chris Doos.
J G Miller
Apr 17, 2013, 4:34:15 PM4/17/13
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On Wednesday, April 17th, 2013, at 17:29:46h +0000,
Baas Chris Glur chided:
> OK, see if you kiddies can follow this:
Well we may have to think very hard and it might be quite tiring,
but here goes ...
> rPi is a minimalist/credit-card-sized computer;
Well yes, any fule kno that.
> if you were a racing-cycle enthusiast you'd be interested in some
> extreme criteria
You mean like Lance Armstrong?
> which the normal obsese Californian
Yes you are correct -- 61,4% of Californians are obese according to
<http://www.belly-fat-health-news.com/obesity-in-California.html>
> would consider 'you never intend to implement';
How many obese Californians have bought a rPi?
> AFAIK
Are you here to continue in your "as far as I know" ignorance,
or do you want to learn?
> the need to login is the bottleneck
No it is not.
With most display managers it is very easy to configure them to use
an autologin mode to a predefined userid, so there is no need to
enter any password.
If you want autologin to a particular account on a virtual console
TTY, this is also simple to achieve by replacing the getty with mingetty
and configuring it for autologin.
See the details at
<http://linux.koolsolutions.COM/2009/04/30/autologin-linux-console-mode/>
But in another thread on the same topic in comp.os.linux.misc and
comp.os.linux.hardware, John Hasler has provided you with an even
simpler rPi specific method way of doing this without having to
install a different getty, as explained at
<http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
But do you honestly want an answer to your question, or now having
been presented with an answer, are you going to resort to an
irrational outburst of having to get a new Ding Dong?
> which prevents the rpi from being used without a keyboard.
No it does not.
People have been using rPi as a media center with XBMC with autologin
and no keyboard and no mouse for some time now, details at
<http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi>
<http://lifehacker.com/5929913/build-a-xbmc-media-center-with-a-35-raspberry-pi>
QUOTE
A remote control:
I you don't want to use a mouse and keyboard to control
your media center once its set up, you'll need a remote.
UNQUOTE
But now when faced with real life accomplishments of other people doing
what you claim you are trying to do, are you now going to ignore the
facts and repost the same questions again in a slightly different form
in other newsgroups in a few days to a week's time?
> BTW do you kiddies realise that going-in-foot-ball-herds, is what
> prevents you from being able to think out of the box?
Yes, but herds of warthogs and wildebeest are even worse though.
Baas Chris Glur chided:
> OK, see if you kiddies can follow this:
but here goes ...
> rPi is a minimalist/credit-card-sized computer;
> if you were a racing-cycle enthusiast you'd be interested in some
> extreme criteria
> which the normal obsese Californian
<http://www.belly-fat-health-news.com/obesity-in-California.html>
> would consider 'you never intend to implement';
> AFAIK
Are you here to continue in your "as far as I know" ignorance,
or do you want to learn?
> the need to login is the bottleneck
No it is not.
With most display managers it is very easy to configure them to use
an autologin mode to a predefined userid, so there is no need to
enter any password.
If you want autologin to a particular account on a virtual console
TTY, this is also simple to achieve by replacing the getty with mingetty
and configuring it for autologin.
See the details at
<http://linux.koolsolutions.COM/2009/04/30/autologin-linux-console-mode/>
But in another thread on the same topic in comp.os.linux.misc and
comp.os.linux.hardware, John Hasler has provided you with an even
simpler rPi specific method way of doing this without having to
install a different getty, as explained at
<http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
But do you honestly want an answer to your question, or now having
been presented with an answer, are you going to resort to an
irrational outburst of having to get a new Ding Dong?
> which prevents the rpi from being used without a keyboard.
People have been using rPi as a media center with XBMC with autologin
and no keyboard and no mouse for some time now, details at
<http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi>
<http://lifehacker.com/5929913/build-a-xbmc-media-center-with-a-35-raspberry-pi>
QUOTE
A remote control:
I you don't want to use a mouse and keyboard to control
your media center once its set up, you'll need a remote.
UNQUOTE
But now when faced with real life accomplishments of other people doing
what you claim you are trying to do, are you now going to ignore the
facts and repost the same questions again in a slightly different form
in other newsgroups in a few days to a week's time?
> BTW do you kiddies realise that going-in-foot-ball-herds, is what
> prevents you from being able to think out of the box?
Octothorpe
Apr 17, 2013, 6:04:14 PM4/17/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 07:46:55 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>> > never intend to implement.
>>
>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>> 'windows'.
>>
>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>
>>
>>
> Did NP actually write that? I have at least half a dozen
> windows open on my machine under KDE.
> Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
> and let outside light into a building.
Storm Linux, Close the windows Storm is coming......
> On 04/17/2013 07:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 17/04/13 13:52, J G Miller wrote:
>>> You are pestering other people to provide an answer to a problem
>> > which you have artificially created and for a solution which you
>> > never intend to implement.
>>
>> Standard wintroll tactic. Ask a stupid question to which the answer is
>> 'windows' and then complain that no on on the linux group answers
>> 'windows'.
>>
>> e.g. What is the standard way to let light into a building?
>> (PS linux can't do that).
>>
>>
>>
> Did NP actually write that? I have at least half a dozen
> windows open on my machine under KDE.
> Oh and no Windows or Linux or Mac can draw the curtains
> and let outside light into a building.
Jasen Betts
Apr 18, 2013, 4:46:46 AM4/18/13
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On 2013-04-17, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote:
> But in another thread on the same topic in comp.os.linux.misc and
> comp.os.linux.hardware, John Hasler has provided you with an even
> simpler rPi specific method way of doing this without having to
> install a different getty, as explained at
>
> <http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
that's not particulary RPI specific, it'll work on any system using
> But in another thread on the same topic in comp.os.linux.misc and
> comp.os.linux.hardware, John Hasler has provided you with an even
> simpler rPi specific method way of doing this without having to
> install a different getty, as explained at
>
> <http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
sysv-init, if you're not using a serial port you can avoid getty.
>> which prevents the rpi from being used without a keyboard.
>
> No it does not.
--
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J G Miller
Apr 18, 2013, 6:30:56 AM4/18/13
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On Thursday, April 18th, 2013, at 08:46:46h +0000, Jasen Betts advised:
>> John Hasler has provided you with an even simpler rPi specific
>> method way of doing this without having to install a different
>> getty, as explained at
>>
>> <http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
>
> that's not particulary RPI specific
True, I should have written:
a solution provided specifically in the context of Debian on rPi.
> it'll work on any system using sysv-init
True, but how many [major] distributions are still using sysv-init?
Debian yes, PCLinuxOS yes, Puppy yes, but not Arch Linux, nor Fedora,
nor Mageia, nor Manjaro, nor Mint, nor openSuSE, nor Ubuntu ...
And that is just the top ten at DistroWatch.
>> John Hasler has provided you with an even simpler rPi specific
>> method way of doing this without having to install a different
>> getty, as explained at
>>
>> <http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
>
> that's not particulary RPI specific
a solution provided specifically in the context of Debian on rPi.
> it'll work on any system using sysv-init
Debian yes, PCLinuxOS yes, Puppy yes, but not Arch Linux, nor Fedora,
nor Mageia, nor Manjaro, nor Mint, nor openSuSE, nor Ubuntu ...
And that is just the top ten at DistroWatch.
The Natural Philosopher
Apr 18, 2013, 6:50:09 AM4/18/13
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/etc/init/tty[n].conf.
::::::::::::::
tty1.conf
::::::::::::::
# tty1 - getty
#
# This service maintains a getty on tty1 from the point the system is
# started until it is shut down again.
start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345] and (
not-container or
container CONTAINER=lxc or
container CONTAINER=lxc-libvirt)
stop on runlevel [!2345]
respawn
exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
all that is needed is to replace the last line
exec /bin/login -f pi tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1
Or similar.
Not having a pi running mint, I cant test it.
Jasen Betts
Apr 18, 2013, 7:33:56 AM4/18/13
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On 2013-04-18, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> And that is just the top ten at DistroWatch.
> looking at MINT13 here, the exact same configurations exist under
> /etc/init/tty[n].conf.
yeah, that basic approach isn't tied to sysv-init.
>>
>> And that is just the top ten at DistroWatch.
> looking at MINT13 here, the exact same configurations exist under
> /etc/init/tty[n].conf.
upstart splits each inittab line out into its own file
and gives expanded capabilities. I suspect something similar is
possible under systemd but I haven't looked.
>::::::::::::::
> tty1.conf
>::::::::::::::
[...]
>
> Not having a pi running mint, I cant test it.
>
You could change the username and run it on an ordinary computer.
> Not having a pi running mint, I cant test it.
>
I think you need to say "stop tty1;start tty1" to activate the changes
without rebooting.
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Unknown
Apr 18, 2013, 2:33:50 PM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:29:27 +0000, Chick Tower wrote:
> On 2013-04-16, Unknown <d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer. Which can display on a TV [3rd
>> world] via a RCA cable. I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just
>> the PSU, mouse, card-CPU. This needs original thought. Not what
>> you've-got-already...
>>
>> NB. think minimalist. No network...
>
> Now here, Chris, is an example of why people always ask you what you
> want to do, rather than just how to perform some abstract function. You
> got answers you thought were not applicable before in this case, but
> which did answer the question you actually asked. Now you might get
> some that help you make your Raspberry Pi into an easily portable and
> usable PC to work in anyone's home. I don't have any suggestions for
> that, though.
Yes I know. They can't think abstractly. But I don't want to speak
> On 2013-04-16, Unknown <d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> BTW rPi is a credit-card sized computer. Which can display on a TV [3rd
>> world] via a RCA cable. I want it to be able to 'visit' TVs with just
>> the PSU, mouse, card-CPU. This needs original thought. Not what
>> you've-got-already...
>>
>> NB. think minimalist. No network...
>
> Now here, Chris, is an example of why people always ask you what you
> want to do, rather than just how to perform some abstract function. You
> got answers you thought were not applicable before in this case, but
> which did answer the question you actually asked. Now you might get
> some that help you make your Raspberry Pi into an easily portable and
> usable PC to work in anyone's home. I don't have any suggestions for
> that, though.
with the sales-clerk. I want the injun-Year!
>
>> the American infinite frontier is over boys.
>
> Comments in-line.
>
> And here is an example of what you shouldn't do if you want workable
> solutions from anyone who might have them. Don't write something that
> looks like it could be an insult to such a large part of your audience.
IMO the social-network wave is causing a global dumbdown into a single
>> the American infinite frontier is over boys.
>
> Comments in-line.
>
> And here is an example of what you shouldn't do if you want workable
> solutions from anyone who might have them. Don't write something that
> looks like it could be an insult to such a large part of your audience.
herd, and more nice talk is not needed. The obsession to be popular
is not an admirable attribute.
You have correctly considered the 'final goal' instead of an abstract
step. But consider: if you needed info from a M$ user, you'd KNOW that
he'd see it within the context of M$. You've used M$, but he's never used
*nix; so you can't communicate with him on the broader level.
Now can you imagine that someone is operating outside of the
socio-econ-techno environment that your tribe knows and can not describe
the goals meaningfully for you.
Unknown
Apr 18, 2013, 3:53:58 PM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:55:18 +0000, Gandalf Parker wrote:
> Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjsp4$o73$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file
>> displayed, without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable
>> pallette of texts displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to
>> enter anything to CLI via the mouse.
>
> For better pointers I would need more specifics. Im not seeing the
> problem yet.
>
> If your bootup routines sets up everything you want, and auto logs in
> the root user, then you dont have to go thru login. Generally this is a
> not- recommended thing to do but for this use I could see it.
>
That's EXACTLY the question: HOW2 auto login the root user?
> Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjsp4$o73$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file
>> displayed, without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable
>> pallette of texts displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to
>> enter anything to CLI via the mouse.
>
> For better pointers I would need more specifics. Im not seeing the
> problem yet.
>
> If your bootup routines sets up everything you want, and auto logs in
> the root user, then you dont have to go thru login. Generally this is a
> not- recommended thing to do but for this use I could see it.
>
> A basic mouse hooked up to a linux running in text mode has a curser (a
> lit square) and supports double-click to start a program or open a text
> file.
>
> You would probably need a listing to display the text files you might be
> needing so that you can mouse-click on them. Maybe have the bootup feed
> a list of useful commands into your history file so that you can just
> use a mouse-wheel to scroll up thru the history and click on what you
> want.
>
> You could create ANSI menus (old-style colored text menus from BBS or
> Gopher days). I remember having such menus in the days before WWW. The
> users menu had a screen full of basic useful commands. And each item was
> mouse-clickable.
>
> You might reprogram some things on the mouse like button combos to do
> some basic commands.
>
>
> Gandalf Parker
I'm OK.
cipher
Apr 18, 2013, 9:12:28 PM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:46:57 -0700, Bobbie Sellers Inscribed upon the
Golden Tablets of Usenet thusly:
It's OK not to get everything, to sometimes miss a point.
Happens to us all sometimes. Better to admit it, have a chuckle and move
on...
> G'day.
> bliss
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Golden Tablets of Usenet thusly:
Happens to us all sometimes. Better to admit it, have a chuckle and move
on...
> G'day.
> bliss
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mike
Apr 18, 2013, 11:42:24 PM4/18/13
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On 4/18/2013 6:12 PM, cipher wrote:
>>> Are you sure? I thought Windows did everything, including give you an
>>> instant orgasm every time you switched it on?
I find that hard to believe.
>>> Are you sure? I thought Windows did everything, including give you an
>>> instant orgasm every time you switched it on?
If that program existed, it would
never make it out of 'bater test.
Michael Black
Apr 18, 2013, 11:54:13 PM4/18/13
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uses Windows.
Michael
Unknown
Apr 19, 2013, 2:16:16 AM4/19/13
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:11:08 -0400, Michael Black wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Unknown wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:15:39 +0000, Gandalf Parker wrote:
>>
>>> Avoi...@gmail.com contributed wisdom to
>>> news:kkfivp$r71$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
>>>
>>> Many internet servers run without keyboard, mouse, monitor. Mine does.
>>> Once its setup properly the boot routine loads all of the needed
>>> services so that it operates fine without me. I can always hook up the
>>> needed equip to get into it if I need to.
You mean it's natural for contributers to want to see [and share in]
the final goal. How could one ever progress if the whole COMMITTEE
needed to be carried along. Socialism doesn't work.
> 4)Get a keyboard, get a monitor, and do it the old way. Or read a
> decent book about Unix or Linux, and then you'd have your answers
> because there is nothing new.
> Don't post without mentioning you are talking about the Rasperberry Pi.
No. The more general the notion/solution the more valuable.
I *know* that linux installations exist that boot straight into 'root'.
So why limit the audience to people who know the still rare rPi.
> Don't go off on one tangent and then follow some new solution until you
> go off on another tangent. Stick to your original concept and solve it,
> don't jump around.
It would be COMFORTABLE to not have to modify the direction, based on
continually varying input; but often lead to dead ends.
>
> Michael
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Unknown wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:15:39 +0000, Gandalf Parker wrote:
>>
>>> Avoi...@gmail.com contributed wisdom to
>>> news:kkfivp$r71$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>
>>>> How would YOU setup to run without a keybrd?
>>>
>>> Many internet servers run without keyboard, mouse, monitor. Mine does.
>>> Once its setup properly the boot routine loads all of the needed
>>> services so that it operates fine without me. I can always hook up the
>>> needed equip to get into it if I need to.
>>
>> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file
>> displayed, without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable
>> pallette of texts displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to
>> enter anything to CLI via the mouse.
>>
> 3)Spell out the problem in detail.
>> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file
>> displayed, without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable
>> pallette of texts displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to
>> enter anything to CLI via the mouse.
>>
You mean it's natural for contributers to want to see [and share in]
the final goal. How could one ever progress if the whole COMMITTEE
needed to be carried along. Socialism doesn't work.
> 4)Get a keyboard, get a monitor, and do it the old way. Or read a
> decent book about Unix or Linux, and then you'd have your answers
> because there is nothing new.
> Don't post without mentioning you are talking about the Rasperberry Pi.
No. The more general the notion/solution the more valuable.
I *know* that linux installations exist that boot straight into 'root'.
So why limit the audience to people who know the still rare rPi.
> Don't go off on one tangent and then follow some new solution until you
> go off on another tangent. Stick to your original concept and solve it,
> don't jump around.
It would be COMFORTABLE to not have to modify the direction, based on
continually varying input; but often lead to dead ends.
>
> Michael
Loki Harfagr
Apr 19, 2013, 5:08:13 AM4/19/13
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Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:16:16 +0000, Unknown did cat :
>> Don't post without mentioning you are talking about the Rasperberry Pi.
> No. The more general the notion/solution the more valuable.
this kind of general notion usually tends to be the LART
though it indeed would be valuable in this case I somewhat
suppose that was not exactly what you hadn't in mind.
(I think that when Michael told you "3)Spell out the problem in detail."
he was first suggesting that you yourself and your other groups selves
would have a "committee" before trying to pretend you were thinking
about the slighteste idea that you might have some question to post)
give my compliments to the chef...
>> Don't post without mentioning you are talking about the Rasperberry Pi.
> No. The more general the notion/solution the more valuable.
though it indeed would be valuable in this case I somewhat
suppose that was not exactly what you hadn't in mind.
(I think that when Michael told you "3)Spell out the problem in detail."
he was first suggesting that you yourself and your other groups selves
would have a "committee" before trying to pretend you were thinking
about the slighteste idea that you might have some question to post)
give my compliments to the chef...
J G Miller
Apr 19, 2013, 6:38:21 AM4/19/13
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On Friday, April 19th, 2013, at 09:08:13h +0000, Loki Harfagr urged:
> give my compliments to the chef...
Would that be Steyn van Ronge?
> give my compliments to the chef...
offic...@none.org
Apr 19, 2013, 3:52:18 PM4/19/13
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On 2013-04-18, Unknown <d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:55:18 +0000, Gandalf Parker wrote:
>
>> Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjsp4$o73$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file
>>> displayed, without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable
>>> pallette of texts displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to
>>> enter anything to CLI via the mouse.
>>
>> For better pointers I would need more specifics. Im not seeing the
>> problem yet.
>>
>> If your bootup routines sets up everything you want, and auto logs in
>> the root user, then you dont have to go thru login. Generally this is a
>> not- recommended thing to do but for this use I could see it.
>>
> That's EXACTLY the question: HOW2 auto login the root user?
>
I haven't had time to play around with it, but this sounds like
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:55:18 +0000, Gandalf Parker wrote:
>
>> Unknown <d...@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:kkjsp4$o73$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> OK then, PLEASE write pointers how I'd get my chosen text file
>>> displayed, without going through `login`. Once I've got a suitable
>>> pallette of texts displayed, and `gpm` running I expect to be able to
>>> enter anything to CLI via the mouse.
>>
>> For better pointers I would need more specifics. Im not seeing the
>> problem yet.
>>
>> If your bootup routines sets up everything you want, and auto logs in
>> the root user, then you dont have to go thru login. Generally this is a
>> not- recommended thing to do but for this use I could see it.
>>
> That's EXACTLY the question: HOW2 auto login the root user?
>
something that you could do by editing /etc/inittab (if your distro
uses that). I would suggest reading the man page for inittab(5) and
something like agetty(8).
For agettty you can use the -a option to autologin, so this should be
pretty simple. The default inittab in Slackware has lines that look
like:
c1:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux
and if you change this to something like
c1:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty -a root 38400 tty1 linux
that may get you where you need to go. Again, read the man
pages though.
>> A basic mouse hooked up to a linux running in text mode has a curser (a
>> lit square) and supports double-click to start a program or open a text
>> file.
>>
> WHAT installation of linux does that ?!
>
useful here?
Emilio Lazardo
Apr 19, 2013, 6:59:10 PM4/19/13
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:33:50 +0000, Unknown wrote:
[frat-boy banter deleted]
Step 1 - edit and save this as 'autologin.c':
#include <unistd.h>
int main() { execlp( "login", "login", "-f", "username", 0); }
where 'username' is the desired username (hint: 'root' is a user).
Step 2 - compile and prep
gcc -o autologin autologin.c
strip autologin
sudo chown root.root autologin
sudo chmod a=rx autologin
Step 3 - place binary in the username's home directory.
Step 4 - modify /etc/inittab so that this:
x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4
changes to this:
x1:4:once:/bin/su - -- username -l -c '/usr/bin/startx'
[frat-boy banter deleted]
Step 1 - edit and save this as 'autologin.c':
#include <unistd.h>
int main() { execlp( "login", "login", "-f", "username", 0); }
where 'username' is the desired username (hint: 'root' is a user).
Step 2 - compile and prep
gcc -o autologin autologin.c
strip autologin
sudo chown root.root autologin
sudo chmod a=rx autologin
Step 3 - place binary in the username's home directory.
Step 4 - modify /etc/inittab so that this:
x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4
changes to this:
x1:4:once:/bin/su - -- username -l -c '/usr/bin/startx'
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:34:15 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>> the need to login is the bottleneck
>
> No it is not.
>
> With most display managers it is very easy to configure them to use an
> autologin mode to a predefined userid, so there is no need to enter any
> password.
>
> If you want autologin to a particular account on a virtual console TTY,
> this is also simple to achieve by replacing the getty with mingetty and
> configuring it for autologin.
>
> See the details at
>
> <http://linux.koolsolutions.COM/2009/04/30/autologin-linux-console-
mode/>
>
>
> But in another thread on the same topic in comp.os.linux.misc and
> comp.os.linux.hardware, John Hasler has provided you with an even
> simpler rPi specific method way of doing this without having to install
> a different getty, as explained at
>
> <http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
>
>> the need to login is the bottleneck
>
> No it is not.
>
> With most display managers it is very easy to configure them to use an
> autologin mode to a predefined userid, so there is no need to enter any
> password.
>
> If you want autologin to a particular account on a virtual console TTY,
> this is also simple to achieve by replacing the getty with mingetty and
> configuring it for autologin.
>
> See the details at
>
> <http://linux.koolsolutions.COM/2009/04/30/autologin-linux-console-
mode/>
>
>
> But in another thread on the same topic in comp.os.linux.misc and
> comp.os.linux.hardware, John Hasler has provided you with an even
> simpler rPi specific method way of doing this without having to install
> a different getty, as explained at
>
> <http://elinux.ORG/RPi_Debian_Auto_Login>
>
>> which prevents the rpi from being used without a keyboard.
>
> No it does not.
>
> People have been using rPi as a media center with XBMC with autologin
> and no keyboard and no mouse for some time now, details at
>
> <http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi>
>
> <http://lifehacker.com/5929913/build-a-xbmc-media-center-with-a-35-
raspberry-pi>
>
OK, thanks for these pointers.
>
> No it does not.
>
> People have been using rPi as a media center with XBMC with autologin
> and no keyboard and no mouse for some time now, details at
>
> <http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi>
>
> <http://lifehacker.com/5929913/build-a-xbmc-media-center-with-a-35-
raspberry-pi>
>
Yes there are several articles on fiddling <near init> and many may work
depending on the specific configuration of the particular system.
> QUOTE
>
> A remote control:
>
> I you don't want to use a mouse and keyboard to control your media
> center once its set up, you'll need a remote.
>
> UNQUOTE
>
> But now when faced with real life accomplishments of other people doing
> what you claim you are trying to do, are you now going to ignore the
> facts and repost the same questions again in a slightly different form
> in other newsgroups in a few days to a week's time?
>
environment.
I'm still working on projects that I initiated decades ago. Always date
your records.
This little project, which involves init, has an interesting [for me]
side benefit:
http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/11/12/initramfs-ramfs-tmpfs-
compressed-image/
$ mkdir -p /tmp/initramfs
$ cd /tmp/initramfs
$ cp /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14-1-686 initramfs.gz <- replace with:
-> cp /mnt/LennyP35/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-486 initramfs.gz
$ gzip -d initramfs.gz
$ cpio -i < initramfs
== 28632 blocks
50243 blocks
rm initramfs
-> ls == .....init....
AFAIK /tmp/initramfs now has a <mininSystem> with its own init.
Of course the REAL init is binary, [but since it only runs once, need not
be IMO]
so you can't easily see its algorithm; but /tmp/initramfsinit ==
#!/bin/sh
echo "Loading, please wait..."
[ -d /dev ] || mkdir -m 0755 /dev
[ -d /root ] || mkdir -m 0700 /root
...
# Parse command line options
for x in $(cat /proc/cmdline); do
case $x in
init=*)
init=${x#init=}
...
# Move virtual filesystems over to the real filesystem
mount -n -o move /sys ${rootmnt}/sys
mount -n -o move /proc ${rootmnt}/proc
...
# Search for valid init
if [ -z "${init}" ] ; then
for init in /sbin/init /etc/init /bin/init /bin/sh; do
if [ ! -x "${rootmnt}${init}" ]; then
continue
...
# No init on rootmount
if [ ! -x "${rootmnt}${init}" ]; then
panic "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg."
fi
...
# Chain to real filesystem
maybe_break init
exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console >${rootmnt}/
dev/console
panic "Could not execute run-init."
=========EOF============
I find it interesting and reasuring to see some actual code for `init`.
I'm still looking for the code for 'pivot'.
===
PS. how do I get a 800 char message/question to someone's twitter:URL ?
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