SOS

[notbob]

Informative article on state of Slack:

http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/04/sos-save-our-slackware/

Apparently, if we as slackers want some info, we're gonna hafta get it
elsewhere, as it appears this forum is no longer viable. I check this
group a dozen times a day and have heard none of the info in this
article. What's the IRC channel? I know it's ##slackware, but what
servers?

This news needs to get out. I was shocked to read Pat has fallen on
hard times. I thought Slackware was flourishing, Slack in the black,
only pure profit distro, yada yada. Was that all lies?

Also, after falling on hard times myself, I hadda discontinue my
subscription for a couple yrs, but I can once again afford to
subscribe. Besides, I'd like to have a boxed set of 13.37, even if
I'm already running it. I'll call them today and restart it. As the
website is down, anyone have the store's phone number? I'll buy a
shirt, next month. ;)

I'll do what I can, but I gotta have my Slackware. I've tried a
buncha other distros and they all Suck Off Slack!.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!

[Dan C]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:33:08 +0000, notbob wrote:

> Informative article on state of Slack:
>
> http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/04/sos-save-our-slackware/
>
> Apparently, if we as slackers want some info, we're gonna hafta get it
> elsewhere, as it appears this forum is no longer viable. I check this
> group a dozen times a day and have heard none of the info in this
> article. What's the IRC channel? I know it's ##slackware, but what
> servers?

Interesting article, indeed. The IRC channel ##slackware is on
irc.freenode.net. There is another channel called ##slackware-offtopic
which can be quite entertaining as well.

>
> This news needs to get out. I was shocked to read Pat has fallen on
> hard times. I thought Slackware was flourishing, Slack in the black,
> only pure profit distro, yada yada. Was that all lies?
>
> Also, after falling on hard times myself, I hadda discontinue my
> subscription for a couple yrs, but I can once again afford to subscribe.
> Besides, I'd like to have a boxed set of 13.37, even if I'm already
> running it. I'll call them today and restart it. As the website is
> down, anyone have the store's phone number? I'll buy a shirt, next
> month. ;)

Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the website
is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store site takes me
to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.

>
> I'll do what I can, but I gotta have my Slackware. I've tried a buncha
> other distros and they all Suck Off Slack!.

+1


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[notbob]

On 2012-04-19, Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote:

> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the website
> is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store site takes me
> to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.

Yeah, I noticed. I didn't mind, too much. If Slack ever does cave,
I'll jes switch over to OBSD, which I've happily used before.
Regardless, that's why I asked if anyone has the store's phone
number. I've always dealt with the store by phone in the past. If
they're shipping, they gotta have some warm bodies wandering around.

I read a few posts by this Caitlyn Martin skirt. Jes what we need,
another Slackware apologist. not....

Despite the www website woes, the ftp changelog appears to still be
up and chuggin':
ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt

[Michael Black]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012, notbob wrote:

> Informative article on state of Slack:
>
> http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/04/sos-save-our-slackware/
>
> Apparently, if we as slackers want some info, we're gonna hafta get it
> elsewhere, as it appears this forum is no longer viable. I check this
> group a dozen times a day and have heard none of the info in this
> article. What's the IRC channel? I know it's ##slackware, but what
> servers?
>

Obviously we are no longer the cool kids, how come Eric Hameleers gets to
be "Alien Bob" elsewhere but only his real name here?

What becomes interesting is that the subscriptions would seem to be
sustaining. If Slackware's "market share" becomes smaller (I can't
remember if that's the case, or simpler it's a smaller percentage of the
pie), there's fewer people buying except with a new release. And if the
new release is spread out too long (it's now been about a year), then
there's no influx of cash from those who just buy the new release.

In that context, it's no surprise that something like a server isn't seen
as the most important thing to spend money on.

If there was a new release today, there'd be a spike in income, though one
has to balance that against the time until the next release.

Michael

[Mr. B-o-B]

notbob cried from the depths of the abyss...

> Regardless, that's why I asked if anyone has the store's phone
> number. I've always dealt with the store by phone in the past. If
> they're shipping, they gotta have some warm bodies wandering around.
>

Back in Feb this year I was feeling guilty about using Slackware at the
company I work for so I donated & purchased a bunch of things from the
store. Lucky for you I still have the invoice in my inbox (that's old
school inbox on desk full of paper :)

Here is the store info:

Slackware Linux, Inc.
2420 Sand Creek Rd, C-1 # 347
Brentwood, CA 94513
Tel: 925 240 6652
Fax: 925 674 0821
in...@slackware.com

I must have felt a tremor in the force about these woes, and that prompted
me to finally give Slack some love.

I have made it a rule now that anytime I deploy a new Slack box, or
upgrade one to a new version I'm gonna have our company kick down a
$250usd donation per installation. So far I have only had 2 new installs,
but I have a couple more soon so I plan to donate again to Slack's
coffers. I figure we (my company really) spend a lot more
on licensing for some other OS that doesn't need to be mentioned here that
it's only fair to give Slack some too!

I would have liked to have given more back in Feb, but I didn't want to
draw too much attention to the invoice. I snuck in 3 T's, a subscription,
a nice polo, and a cap :)

[Joost Kremers]

Dan C wrote:
> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the website
> is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store site takes me
> to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.

yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal where you
can donate to the slackware project.


--
Joost Kremers joostk...@yahoo.com
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
EN:SiS(9)

[notbob]

On 2012-04-19, Mr. B-o-B <mr.che...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Slackware Linux, Inc.
> 2420 Sand Creek Rd, C-1 # 347
> Brentwood, CA 94513
> Tel: 925 240 6652
> Fax: 925 674 0821
> in...@slackware.com

Thanks a bunch, Mr B. ;)

Before I moved here to CO, I usta live about 14-15 miles from
Brentwood and usta go out there to buy fresh produce or pass through
on way to fish on the Sacramento Delta. I always meant to stop by and
check out the warehouse and say hi. Now, too far away. Gotta find my
slackware logo stick-ons to put one on my Sony Vaio gutted-fer-slack
box. I think I even have a slack t-shirt, but had previously been too
fat to fit in their 2X Ts. It should fit easily, now. ;)

[Loki Harfagr]

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:05:35 +0000, Joost Kremers did cat :

> Dan C wrote:
>> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the website
>> is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store site takes me
>> to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.
>
> yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal where you
> can donate to the slackware project.

thanks Joost as I didn't notice it (probably because a bit
perturbed by clicking on dead links (like on T-Shirts) or
being dropped in to a page which shown only BSD stuff and the
search engine was a no-no)
Though paypal is a big slice of pita for ecards I finally
got it right and could put my dime to the distro that should
never faint :-)

[Bud]

Joost Kremers wrote:
> Dan C wrote:
>> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the website
>> is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store site takes me
>> to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.
>
> yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal where you
> can donate to the slackware project.

Thanks, PayPal is the way to go for me.
--
Bud

[Douglas Mayne]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:33:08 +0000, notbob wrote:

> Informative article on state of Slack:
>
> http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/04/sos-save-our-slackware/
>

Thanks for the article. I am not sure why they don't move the server into
the cloud. I saw something that Amazon is now 1% of web addresses, or
something like that. The "get slack" mirrors are in place to do most
hosting. The simple design of the Slackware packaging scheme is one of
its biggest strengths: KISS. I'm a slacker for life. ;)

--
Douglas Mayne

[Grant]

On 19 Apr 2012 13:33:08 GMT, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:

>Informative article on state of Slack:
>
>http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/04/sos-save-our-slackware/
>
>Apparently, if we as slackers want some info, we're gonna hafta get it
>elsewhere, as it appears this forum is no longer viable. I check this
>group a dozen times a day and have heard none of the info in this
>article. What's the IRC channel? I know it's ##slackware, but what
>servers?
>
>This news needs to get out. I was shocked to read Pat has fallen on
>hard times. I thought Slackware was flourishing, Slack in the black,
>only pure profit distro, yada yada. Was that all lies?
>
>Also, after falling on hard times myself, I hadda discontinue my
>subscription for a couple yrs, but I can once again afford to
>subscribe. Besides, I'd like to have a boxed set of 13.37, even if
>I'm already running it. I'll call them today and restart it. As the
>website is down, anyone have the store's phone number? I'll buy a
>shirt, next month. ;)

Well, I'm on a pension but I bought 13.37 box set (subscription),
couple 'Serious...' T-shirts and badges last February.

Slackware-current:
"
Fri Apr 20 16:01:36 UTC 2012
ap/htop-1.0.1-i486-1.txz: Upgraded.
d/gdb-7.4-i486-1.txz: Upgraded.
+--------------------------+
...
"
Slackware still getting updates (mine via osuosl.org mirror, I
rarely visit the slackware.com site.

Grant.

[Groksplynk]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:33:08 +0000, notbob - whined, cried and carried on
like an moronic 8 year old little girl and bashed out this crap on its
keyboard:

Well now that I've found a distro I like once again (I've come from
being a SuSE/openSUSE user since ~2000), that being Slackware, because
compared to openSUSE I have the powers to change/fix/make-work-my-way
once again apps and such and it's friggin' *FAST* compared to that
monstrosity, I'm going to try to help out financially too. I live on a
fixed income (and it's small enough that every month after paying rent
etc I'm lucky enough to have $150 to myself), but I'd rather be short a
few more dollars and have my Slackware here always that I'll buy the
distro dvd from now on and/or possibly donate. This distro and all that
Pat has done is worth it and I've really only been using it for about two
months now.


--
Powered by Slackware 13.37
21:02:58 up 5 days, 7:58, 2 users, load average: 0.75, 0.70, 0.71

Registered Linux user #214117 at http://linuxcounter.net

Conservatives Are from Mars, Liberals Are from Uranus

[Peter Chant]

Bud wrote:

> Joost Kremers wrote:
>> Dan C wrote:
>>> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the website
>>> is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store site takes me
>>> to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.
>>
>> yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal where
>> you can donate to the slackware project.

Slackware store and donate links need to be on the home page of
www.slackware.com. They are not obvious, I had to go looking for them.
They were linked to under 'book'.

Also is it possible to have a subscription without media? Although they are
nice to have they are not essential for a lot of people. If the project
feels the need to send something out how about a postcard? I do note that
some people will have an ongoing real need or desire for physical media, and
that perhaps, minimum order quantities might mean that savings for producing
fewer disks might not be great.

Pete

--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

[Dan C]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:45:59 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:

> Bud wrote:
>
>> Joost Kremers wrote:
>>> Dan C wrote:
>>>> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the
>>>> website is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store
>>>> site takes me to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.
>>>
>>> yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal
>>> where you can donate to the slackware project.
>
> Slackware store and donate links need to be on the home page of
> www.slackware.com. They are not obvious, I had to go looking for them.
> They were linked to under 'book'.

Homepage/Get Slack/The Slackware Store

Seems fairly intuitive to me.

> Also is it possible to have a subscription without media? Although they
> are nice to have they are not essential for a lot of people. If the
> project feels the need to send something out how about a postcard? I do
> note that some people will have an ongoing real need or desire for
> physical media, and that perhaps, minimum order quantities might mean
> that savings for producing fewer disks might not be great.

Don't know the answer to that one, but probably no significant savings to
be had there, as you said.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he wiped the vomit from his chin.

[Peter Chant]

Dan C wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:45:59 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:
>
>> Bud wrote:
>>
>>> Joost Kremers wrote:
>>>> Dan C wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the
>>>>> website is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store
>>>>> site takes me to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.
>>>>
>>>> yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal
>>>> where you can donate to the slackware project.
>>
>> Slackware store and donate links need to be on the home page of
>> www.slackware.com. They are not obvious, I had to go looking for them.
>> They were linked to under 'book'.
>
> Homepage/Get Slack/The Slackware Store
>
> Seems fairly intuitive to me.
>

Well, perhaps it is to you. However, it is a reasonable assumption that an
important part of a website like the store would be available on the main
navigation and as 'donate' is prominent on the home page of many open source
projects it is reasonable that visitors to the site should not have to spend
time looking for it. I did not even realise that there was a donate option
until it were mentioned here - something I would have known if it were on
the home page.

Pete

--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

[Dan C]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:09:50 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:45:59 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:
>>
>>> Bud wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joost Kremers wrote:
>>>>> Dan C wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, kinda hard to buy stuff from the Slackware Store when the
>>>>>> website is down... Just tried and everything I click on the Store
>>>>>> site takes me to a freaking "BSD Mall" store site... Strange.
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah... but the donate button at the top left takes you to paypal
>>>>> where you can donate to the slackware project.
>>>
>>> Slackware store and donate links need to be on the home page of
>>> www.slackware.com. They are not obvious, I had to go looking for
>>> them.
>>> They were linked to under 'book'.
>>
>> Homepage/Get Slack/The Slackware Store
>>
>> Seems fairly intuitive to me.
>>
>>
> Well, perhaps it is to you.

Well, yeah. I mean if you come to the website to get Slackware, what's
more obvious than a link called "Get Slack"?

> However, it is a reasonable assumption that
> an important part of a website like the store would be available on the
> main navigation and as 'donate' is prominent on the home page of many
> open source projects it is reasonable that visitors to the site should
> not have to spend time looking for it.

I'm not arguing that point. I agree with you, it *could* be more obvious
than it is.

> I did not even realise that
> there was a donate option until it were mentioned here - something I
> would have known if it were on the home page.

... Or if you had spent a little more time looking around on the website,
as I (and others) have... :)

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he sold Eyore to the glue factory.

[Peter Chant]

Dan C wrote:


> Well, yeah. I mean if you come to the website to get Slackware, what's
> more obvious than a link called "Get Slack"?

Store, shop, merchandise... 'Get Slack' hints at downloading a linux
distribution. Not buying teeshirts.

>
> ... Or if you had spent a little more time looking around on the website,
> as I (and others) have... :)

I've looked around it many times over the years, but apart from the
changelog it does not change much. I rarely feel the need to look at it in
depth - only if there is a specific reason.

Pete

--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

[Bud]

Peter Chant wrote:
>
> I've looked around it many times over the years, but apart from the
> changelog it does not change much. I rarely feel the need to look at it in
> depth - only if there is a specific reason.
>
> Pete

I just donated some many bucks. Didn't want anything. And, I
don't need anything as I'm also an old geezer who saved some and
get hit as the lender who has some bucks and is willing to give
them what they need.
--
Bud

[Dan C]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:05:06 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>
>
>> Well, yeah. I mean if you come to the website to get Slackware, what's
>> more obvious than a link called "Get Slack"?
>
> Store, shop, merchandise... 'Get Slack' hints at downloading a linux
> distribution. Not buying teeshirts.

Can't argue with that, good point.

>
>> ... Or if you had spent a little more time looking around on the
>> website, as I (and others) have... :)
>
> I've looked around it many times over the years, but apart from the
> changelog it does not change much. I rarely feel the need to look at it
> in depth - only if there is a specific reason.

A specific reason such as locating the link to the Store, you mean? :)

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as the warp core breached.

[Peter Chant]

Dan C wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:05:06 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well, yeah. I mean if you come to the website to get Slackware, what's
>>> more obvious than a link called "Get Slack"?
>>
>> Store, shop, merchandise... 'Get Slack' hints at downloading a linux
>> distribution. Not buying teeshirts.
>
> Can't argue with that, good point.

Quick, someones kidnapped Dan C and replaced him with mellower copy...

:-)

Was going to try to edit my headers to make it look like I've posted from a
Vista machine, but I can't find an edit headers option in kmail (not an
obvious one).

Pete



--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

[Joost Kremers]

Peter Chant wrote:
> Was going to try to edit my headers to make it look like I've posted from a
> Vista machine, but I can't find an edit headers option in kmail (not an
> obvious one).

well, if you're posting from kmail then you're practically posting from
vista already. ;-)

[Peter Chant]

Joost Kremers wrote:

> Peter Chant wrote:
>> Was going to try to edit my headers to make it look like I've posted from
>> a Vista machine, but I can't find an edit headers option in kmail (not an
>> obvious one).
>
> well, if you're posting from kmail then you're practically posting from
> vista already. ;-)
>

Next week I intend on wiping it all and installing Windows ME.

--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

[Joost Kremers]

putting you in one of the darker places of the dark side. good luck, you'll
need it. ;-)

(of course, i'm already halfway there myself, seeing as i'm posting this
from a machine running ubuntu... but i can't help myself, i actually *like*
the way unity rolls the active window's menu and title bars and the global
status panel all into one. it's just brilliant. it even makes my mac at
work look old-fashioned.)

[+Alan Hicks+]

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On 2012-04-25, Joost Kremers <joostk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i'm already halfway there myself, seeing as i'm posting this
> from a machine running ubuntu... but i can't help myself, i actually *like*
> the way unity rolls the active window's menu and title bars and the global
> status panel all into one. it's just brilliant. it even makes my mac at
> work look old-fashioned.

Alas for how the once mighty have fallen! Dr. Joost Kremers. He was
a man. He lived. He died. Rest in peace, old friend.

Please everyone, remember Joost the way he would want us to, as the
treasured soul who endeared us all to new and wonderful things. Who
bravely ventured into the dark halls of acadamia then returned with
triumph, clutching a sheet of rolled up paper tied with a blue bow.
The man who taught us all that the way I talk is perfectly valid in
a linguist's point of view, and passed understanding and acceptance
to all he touched with his hallowed Cluestick.

The life of Joost Kremers was fraught with many dangers as well. No
one shall forget that in his youth he was exposed to the dangers of
temptation and eventually succombed to vice. How he was lead by his
peers into habitual emacs usage. Even intervention from his friends
and loved ones could not convince him to clean himself of the habit
that would, eventually, claim his life when he traded the sanity of
the UNIX way for this new devil which besets each of us in the open
source world. Like so very many who came before, he was lead astray
and now, sadly, he has parted from us forever. For we cannot follow
where he has gone without gambling our own minds in the neon lights
and bouncing bubbles of this modern devil distribution.

Alas, had poor Joost turned only unto beer, that holy drink of most
holy "Bob", had he not succombed to the wiles of the demon Stallman
and the demon Shuttleworth, (and who knows what other demons lurked
in the darkest recesses of his mind) we might still hold our former
brother Joost with the caring embrace of fellowship or brotherhood.
And let us all remember, that were it not for the grace of "Bob" go
we. Repent my brethren of any temptations that these heaten distros
have wormed into your hearts! Repent and cast out those foul demons
of sin from your life, and dwell ever more in the grace and comfort
of slack and in the presence of almighty "Bob".

Amen.

- --
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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[Glyn Millington]

+Alan Hicks+ <al...@lizella.netWORK> writes:

> Alas for how the once mighty have fallen! Dr. Joost Kremers. He was a
> man. He lived. He died. Rest in peace, old friend.

> powerful stuff snipped

>
> And let us all remember, that were it not for the grace of "Bob" go
> we. Repent my brethren of any temptations that these heaten distros
> have wormed into your hearts! Repent and cast out those foul demons of
> sin from your life, and dwell ever more in the grace and comfort of
> slack and in the presence of almighty "Bob".

Preach it brother, preach it!

atb

Glyn
--
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GAFC http://slackbook.org/ The Official Source :-)
STFW http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=alt.os.linux.slackware
JFGI http://jfgi.us/

[Dan C]

Haha! Well done sir.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he put on the hockey mask and started the saw.

[notbob]

On 2012-05-15, +Alan Hicks+ <al...@lizella.netWORK> wrote:
>> status panel all into one. it's just brilliant. it even makes my mac at
>> work look old-fashioned.
>
> Alas for how the once mighty have fallen! Dr. Joost Kremers. He was
> a man. He lived. He died. Rest in peace, old friend.

> [...]

heh heh.

With apologies to RMS, I say: Testify! ....brother Al. ;)

[Joost Kremers]

+Alan Hicks+ wrote:
>
> On 2012-04-25, Joost Kremers <joostk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> i'm already halfway there myself, seeing as i'm posting this
>> from a machine running ubuntu... but i can't help myself, i actually *like*
>> the way unity rolls the active window's menu and title bars and the global
>> status panel all into one. it's just brilliant. it even makes my mac at
>> work look old-fashioned.
>
> Alas for how the once mighty have fallen! Dr. Joost Kremers. He was
> a man. He lived. He died. Rest in peace, old friend.

Thank you, old friend, for those kind words. I hereby bestow what BOZO
points I have left upon you, as you obviously deserve them more.

I'll stay and lurk here. Perhaps one day inspiration from the group will
help me on my way back into the light...