what should I know passing on to Slackware?
Serge_Moscou
I've been always using RH but now I'd like to take up sth fresh
Slack attracts me very much People say it's the most pure (unspoiled)
system. To the point: what are particular things about Slackware? What
should I know assuming that I am familiar with RH? What are the
differinces?
For instance I don't even know could use rpm with Slackware:-))
Any suggestions are welcome
Thank you
Serge
Scott Cole
> For instance I don't even know could use rpm with Slackware:-))
Usually not a good idea.
>
> Any suggestions are welcome
>
Read the post from Another Internet WiseGuy titled Noob. Do all that he is
doing and you will learn quite a bit.
Scott
Arnab Chowdry
that Slackware uses .tgz for its package management. The system is much
simpler, but less robust than rpm. While Slackware 'supports' rpm, I've
never used the rpm support and I wouldn't trust it if I did.
Also, Slackware uses BSD-style startup scripts. Its worth your time to read
through the startup scripts sometime, if you care about what's going on
there. The Slackware manual is a good place to start. If you're used to the
RH style setup utilities, the Slackware equivalents are much simpler and
less likely to hold your hand. Get comfortable with a text editor like vim
or emacs, and prepare to read some man pages. (While that's good advice for
any linux distro, RH distros do a good job of hiding that)
Aside from that, Slackware is just less 'pretty' than the RH based
distributions. Things don't always work when you first start. If you have a
SATA based system, you might have trouble installing Slack10. If you like
things to just work from the start, I'd recommend Suse. If you want to learn
how your linux box works, like to really customize your OS, or are simply
interested in system administration, Slackware is a great distro.
Can't say much about how "pure" Slackware is...none of the distributions are
really pure. I trust Slackware to leave packages unmodified, but if you want
a pure distribution, you should compile it from scratch. Slack is a good
step in that direction. :)
Good luck!
-Arnab
"Serge_Moscou" <serg...@mtu-net.ru> wrote in message
news:ct6icv$1415$1...@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
Olive
> Hello,
>
> I've been always using RH but now I'd like to take up storganized Slack
attracts me very much People say it's the most pure (unspoiled)
> system. To the point: what are particular things about Slackware?
Slackware is a "bare bone" distribution; it is relatively easy to understand
how things are organized since it is relatively simple compared with other
distros. A good example are the init scripts; I have tried on a past to
understand the Mandrake init scripts (which I think are close to RH
scripts) before giving up: there were very longs and include other scripts
that theirselves include other scripts, etc...
Be aware that on Slackware you will need to understand how things works; you
will need to manually edit config files without relying on any GUI utility
and don't expect that the system will autodetect all your hardware such as
RH. If you don't bother reading docs about linux; this shouldn't be a
problem; this is not so difficult.
>
> For instance I don't even know could use rpm with Slackware:-))
Slackware use a different package format. One thing that can be shock at
first sight is that they don't try to resolve any dependencies. But don't
panik; the "standard" way to install Slackware is to install everything
(which is about 3GB) and is relatively easy. Slackware does not try, as
other distro, to provide every package imaginable: you have just a good
base. The site www.linuxpackages.net provide more unofficial packages but
many Slackware users just compile from source themselves (it is a reason
some people dislike system that does track dependencies: because it won't
work if part of the softwares installed are installed manually without
using any package).
As for the rpm; there is a tool rpm2tgz that convert rpm packages into
Slackware packages (alternatively; one can use rpm directly with the
--nodeps option). Such a thing is only to be considered as a last resort if
the software you want to install exists only in rpm format.
Olive
Stanislaw Flatto
> Hello,
>
> I've been always using RH but now I'd like to take up sth fresh
> Slack attracts me very much People say it's the most pure (unspoiled)
> system. To the point: what are particular things about Slackware?
> What should I know assuming that I am familiar with RH?
As you said, you want to start a'fresh so don't bring with you a
suitcase of habits from different enviroment.
> What are the differinces?
Completely irrelevant, learn to use Slackware and the things that are
equal will invoke "Hey, I know THIS!"
> For instance I don't even know could use rpm with Slackware:-))
You can use anything;^)
> Any suggestions are welcome
Just do it!
>
> Thank you
>
> Serge
>
You are welcome
Stanislaw
Slack user from Ulladulla.
wmrei...@tns.net
I jumped the DedRat ship a year ago when RedHat dropped the regular
users. I have learned more about linux internals in the past year with
Slackware9.1, than I learned in the previous 4 0r 5 years on RedHat.
Fair warning Slackware 9.1 did not include a .bashrc or .bash_profile.
Backup your /home, stick in a Slackware CD, and go for it. You will
probably will not look back.
Walt R.
**
mangus
all of you guys miss two very important things:
-slack is fast. Much more than RH!
-Slack community is cool.. very pleasent and prepared!
bye
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Fede
... Logically incoherent, semantically incomprehensible, and legally ...
impeccable!
notbob
> should I know assuming that I am familiar with RH? What are the
> differinces?
You should understand the bash shell and how to use the command line. You
should also be familiar with at least one command line text editor.
Slackware includes vi, pico, joe, jed, emacs, and jove. Here's a good
command line website:
http://www.linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php
It won't hurt to know how to compile software from source. If not, go
here:
http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Software/Compiling_Software.html
nb
SuperDaemon
> What are the
> differinces?
There are no bloat or unnecessary patches in slackware. Slackware would not
include pretty bells and whistles. There are not much hand holding or
spoonfeeding in slackware (e.g. no GUI installer or GUI control panel).
There are no (automated and unintelligent) Official tools for installing
new software or updating installed ones. After installation you may need to
edit some files by hand.
> For instance I don't even know could use rpm with Slackware:-))
You probably won't need to. Slackware comes standard with lots of libraries
needed for (compiling if needed and) installing new software. Software
installation is very easy and straight forward, no dependancy hell here in
slack land.
Slackware is much Faster with less bloat and resembles much more to a real
standard Unix system of files and system layout. Slackware is the Closest
Linux distro to a real Unix system. Hence; It is also much more stable (did
I mention faster yet?). Sticking with standards makes sense.
Al. C
> It won't hurt to know how to compile software from source. If not, go
> here:
>
> http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Software/Compiling_Software.html
>
Thanks, nb, Good site. One question. It says that one needs to do the
following command.
source /etc/profile
I did a 'man' on 'source' and it made no sense to me. It says:
This command takes the contents of the specified file or resource and passes
it to the Tcl interpreter as a text script.
Why would I want to do that? I've never seen this command mentioned on this
site before. Is it a non-slackware thing?
Al C.
lampiasi
I have use RH for a few years and switched to Fedora-2 then fedora-3.
I was'nt in love with Fedora-3 and I did'nt like with they did with Yum
in FC-3.
I have switched now to Slackware and I am verry happy and can't wait
until Slackware v10.1 is released!!! Everything works just the way I
want it. I got tired of the rpm deps and I like the slackware packge
system much better. I use Pkgtool to install/remove packages and system
maintance. There is alao a package updater that runs in the console
called "slackpkg".... It does the same function as "Yum" but is a lot
easier to use.
Give slack a try.
Wayne.
Lampiasi#Bellsouth.Net
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> I did a 'man' on 'source' and it made no sense to me. It says:
>
> This command takes the contents of the specified file or resource and passes
> it to the Tcl interpreter as a text script.
This isn't the man page you are looking for.
man bash
/source filename
move along.
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Keith Keller
> source /etc/profile
>
> I did a 'man' on 'source' and it made no sense to me. It says:
>
> This command takes the contents of the specified file or resource and passes
> it to the Tcl interpreter as a text script.
>
> Why would I want to do that?
You wouldn't. Try man bash instead, and search for source (happily,
it's the second hit), and you'll see what the website means.
Unfortunately, there's really no way to solve this particular
problem (completely inappropriate docs given by man, no hint
where to look), but as a general rule if you are looking for help
about something you type at a shell prompt, and get something
totally unrelated, look at the man page for your shell (bash, zsh,
pdksh, even *shudder* tcsh).
--keith
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(try just my userid to email me)
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notbob
> Thanks, nb, Good site. One question. It says that one needs to do the
> following command.
>
> source /etc/profile
The path in /etc/profile has been changed. To make the new path the current
path, you source the file that has been changed. Otherwise, you'd have to
restart the bash shell to reread /etc/profile to get the new path to take
effect. Also, . is synonymous with source. So, the command:
. /etc/profile
....is the same as:
source /etc/profile
nb
Another Internet Wise Guy - Macon, Georgia USA
Super...@DiskAndExecutionMON.biz (SuperDaemon) wrote:.
>Slackware is much Faster with less bloat and resembles much more to a real
>standard Unix system of files and system layout. Slackware is the Closest
>Linux distro to a real Unix system. Hence; It is also much more stable (did
>I mention faster yet?). Sticking with standards makes sense.
I loaded and tried five different brands of linux, and slackware
felt a lot more responsive and quick to me. They were all five
quicker than Windows. Like we often say here in god's country,
we may not be as fast as new york but we aint no mississippi!
If there are any mississippites here, I was just funnin you.
If there are any new yorkers here, drop dead yankee. LOL
--
Another Internet Wise Guy - Macon, Georgia USA
Menno Duursma
> source /etc/profile
>
> I did a 'man' on 'source' and it made no sense to me. It says:
Try instead (at the bash prompt):
help source
--
-Menno.
Mr. Boy
The guy that said that there is no difference because of the same
kernel
you could not be more wrong even if you tried to...
Of Course slackware is faster and more responsive, slackware strips
almost
all debugging code from binaries and libraries (RedHat and Fedora keep
several
debugging code and objects into libraries and binaries).
Stripping makes libs and bins get rid of frame pointer, error tracking
messages
and several other things, slackware is made to give performance not
debugging
information.
Other thing, slackware is mostly modular kernel, it does not autodetect
as much
hardware as redhat does, it does not start as many daemons as RH does,
Slack
starts in console mode, not in GUI, so it take less time to boot and
load, if you
stop rc.hotplug, it boots even faster....
RedHat gives a fat load to processor at boot, slackware only starts
what it needs.
Another that is important, Slackware compiled binaries does not need
shared memory filesystem to be compliant to POSIX_THREADS, redhat does,
and this makes binaries to be slower .... (shm fs)
I really could write 45 pages of why slackware is faster and more
responsive...
I´d like to invite that guy to document itself a little more, before
jumping to conclusions
about linux...
+Alan Hicks+
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dared to utter,
> If there are any new yorkers here, drop dead yankee. LOL
s/yankees/damnyankees/
;^)
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Steve'o
>> what it needs.
Realto Margarino wrote:
>Turn it off. Are you saying that if you need the "fat load" then
>RedHat is a better distro? If you don't know how to control what
>happens at bootup then you should be using windows.
Thats not what he is saying at all, just the opposite, his point was
Slackware is faster booting because it doesn't start every service under
the sun by default.
>
> You wouldn't know a real unix if it bit you in the ass.
>
> cordially, even to pure trash,
>
I've seen your posts for, I think, a couple of years, and you do my head in!
Realto, why do you bother? Seriously, what's the point in your posts,
there not helpful and there not wanted. All you do is moan, constantly
bitching and its tiresome.
People who visit / ask questions here get a very bad impression of the
community as a whole because of your pathetic whining.
Take the hint, fuck off!
Simon
> I'd say the most important thing, when switching from an RH based system, is
> that Slackware uses .tgz for its package management. The system is much
> simpler, but less robust than rpm.
I'd argue that it's more robust, since the package "database" is a flat
file structure and doesn't get corrupted (as occasionally happens in
Red Hat). It does have less features, though.
> While Slackware 'supports' rpm, I've
> never used the rpm support and I wouldn't trust it if I did.
I've once used rpm2tgz and then tar to install an RPM. That works as
well as can be expected from a flakey application (the one in the RPM,
not rpm2tgz itself). I've never used the rpm command, though.
> Can't say much about how "pure" Slackware is...none of the distributions are
> really pure. I trust Slackware to leave packages unmodified, but if you want
> a pure distribution, you should compile it from scratch. Slack is a good
> step in that direction. :)
Pat does occasionally patch the software in Slackware, but that's
mainly for small, important, bug fixes and you can find out what's been
applied by looking in the package source code directory.
--
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"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
- Douglas Adams
SuperDaemon
> Of Course slackware is faster and more responsive,
Yes, and Any one else who has tried other distro's may agree with you on
that as well.
lampiasi
I could just as easily stayed with Fedora Core-3
and not have switched to Slackware.
Some guy asked a question in this ng.
What I see anti new yorkers telling me to
drop dead. Great way to run a NG.
You will note I for one did my best to
reply to the guy's question about slackware,
as I am new to slack my self (and love it).
Why can't you jokers stay on topic?
wayne.
Lamp...@Bellsouth.Net
Keith Keller
> Hey what kind of shit is this?
> I could just as easily stayed with Fedora Core-3
> and not have switched to Slackware.
> Some guy asked a question in this ng.
> What I see anti new yorkers telling me to
> drop dead.
I guess you missed the "LOL". Sheesh!
> Great way to run a NG.
Hey, sometimes usenet doesn't always do what you want it to.
> You will note I for one did my best to
> reply to the guy's question about slackware,
> as I am new to slack my self (and love it).
> Why can't you jokers stay on topic?
That's BOZOs, not jokers!
So, you've never *ever* seen a thread go off-topic before? Lighten
up, man. Oh, and please stop top-posting, while we're on the
topic of netiquette, and please trim your posts to only relevant
quoted material (e.g., you should cut the PGP signatures).
Randy Myers
> Gutless wonders who would never say it to your face.
Just look at my face then, pretties for you.
I'm so happy to see you're still around offering catharsis for
every luser who'd like a few secs of relief before resuming the
usual chores :D)
> miserable FAQ you try to maintain. Who ever heard of a FAQ that
> you cannot download in a text file?
And what is this then ?
http://wombat.san-francisco.ca.us/cgi-bin/fom?_recurse=1&file=1
Ooooh my oh my, my dear Realto, you're getting old, you'd been
a lot better afore !
Could it possibly be that you started your recession when
falling in the GPG sig trend ?
Locally, even to cords.
SuperDaemon
> Slack is RTFM and
> STFW and read the FAQ http://wombat.san-francisco.ca.us/cgi-bin/fom
> There are some useful links at http://distrowatch.com/slackware just
> to get you started.
also google and google groups; and (last but not least) learn not to
acknowledge or feed the troll on this ng. Thanks.
Mr. Boy
You really need professional help, if you can't notice the difference
between stripped and non-stripped binaries or libs....
even turning off everything in redhat, boots slower, takes longer to
do stuff after being booted (i never shutdown my linux boxes)
Kernel development in redhat sucks, redhat's glibc has too much
deprecated
code...
you don't seem to know what POSIX_THREADS means, and by the way,
have you ever worked with a realtime system at all?
Do you only measure responsiveness with your eyes? or by
double-clicking a icon, how fast it loads the program.... do you have
any idea of time measures in system performance?
so you think, that i don't know how to admin a system?... tell that to
my boss at Softimage...
You might have linux knowledge but you surely do not have an idea of
IT stuff...
Take care...
Another Internet Wise Guy - Macon, Georgia USA
lamp...@bellsouth.net (lampiasi) wrote:.
>I see anti new yorkers telling me to drop dead.
I apologize. I was trying to be funny. There is nothing wrong
with y'all in New York. It's just a southern humor thing. We
get the "you just might be a redneck" jokes and you get the
damnyankee jokes.
In the interest of making the damnyankee newyorkers feel better.........
If The Halloween pumpkin on your front porch has more teeth than your
spouse, you just might be a redneck.
If You let your twelve-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in
front of her kids, you just might be a redneck.
If last year you hid Easter eggs under cow pies, you just might be a
redneck.
If You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws,
you just might be a redneck.
If You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls on a different
night, you just might be a redneck.
If jack Daniels makes your list of "Most Admired People", you just
might be a redneck.
If You think Genitalia is an Italian airline, you just might be a
redneck.
If You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean, you
just might be a redneck.
If anyone in your family ever died right after saying, Hey, y'all
watch this!", you just might be a redneck.
If Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan, you just might
be a redneck.
If You go to your family reunion looking for a date, you just might be
a redneck.
If Your Junior/Senior Prom had a Daycare, you just might be a redneck.
If You think the last words to The Star Spangled Banner are,
"Gentlemen, start your engines", you just might be a redneck.
If You lit a match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off
its wheels, you just might be a redneck.
If You had to remove a toothpick for your wedding pictures, you just
might be a redneck.
If the bluebook value of your truck goes up and down, depending on how
much gas it has in it, you just might be a redneck.
If one of your kids was born on a pool table, you just might be a
redneck.
If Your dad walks you to school because you are both in the same
grade, you just might be a redneck.
If You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the
House of Tattoos, you just might be a redneck.
If You have flowers planted in a bathroom fixture in your front yard,
you just might be a redneck.
If Your school fight song is "Dueling Banjos", you just might be a
redneck.
If Your toilet paper has page numbers on it, you just might be a
redneck.
--
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>and (last but not least) learn not to acknowledge or feed the
>troll on this ng. Thanks.
Who?
Ron Gibson
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:05:59 -0800, Arnab Chowdry <sp...@berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> I'd say the most important thing, when switching from an RH based system, is
>> that Slackware uses .tgz for its package management. The system is much
>> simpler, but less robust than rpm.
> I'd argue that it's more robust, since the package "database" is a flat
> file structure and doesn't get corrupted (as occasionally happens in
> Red Hat). It does have less features, though.
Well this time I'm in the right forum :)
I agree. I prefer pkgtool and checkinstall over rpm stuff. I also have a
copy of MDK loaded but have also had Slack on a machine for over ten
years.
The thing I like about Linux most of all s it's so open ended. If you
don't like what you have removing, adding or updating packages can all be
very controlled unlike a rpm front end where it says you must install a
gazillion other packages.
Case in point - Right now MDK 10.1 KDE is a disaster. They've added so many
bug fixes the rpm databases are really messy. Some of it is silly like
telling you need a certain version of gcc for some totally unrelated app to
work. So I resorted to their "cooker" the equivalent of Slack "Current"
Well the version 3.3.2 they have there worked fine except kpager would
crash often :) So I compared kpager in Slack to that and just used the
Slack bin and now all is just fine. I checked it it with ldd and it had all
the libs it needed. But I could not have done that with a rpm front end as
it would have not allowed such an operation.
>> Can't say much about how "pure" Slackware is...none of the distributions
> Pat does occasionally patch the software in Slackware, but that's
> mainly for small, important, bug fixes and you can find out what's been
> applied by looking in the package source code directory.
I hate those prepatched kernels others use. I'm so glad Pat never does
that.
SuperDaemon
> Super...@DiskAndExecutionMON.biz (SuperDaemon) wrote:.
>
>>and (last but not least) learn not to acknowledge or feed the
>>troll on this ng. Thanks.
>
> Who?
>
right; if we all killfile the troll or stop acknowledging him , stop
responding to him; he'd at least would not get the attention he craves for.
The best method to killfile the troll is just to ignore it. I definitely
don't need to deal with a disturbed and mentaly deranged individual.
Scott Cole
>
Thanks for those Guy. I have the CD but it helps having some of them in
print. Do we have a new Guy Macon by the way ;-)
SuperDaemon
> Mr. Margarino,
>
> You really need professional help
He does. He is a disturbed and mentally challenged individual. He criticizes
Joost for using exact terminology but when someone says Slack is faster he
asks for benchmark test results.
It would be better for him to be left alone. Do not feed the troll please.
WE don't need and are not interested in the profecies of the village idiot
with lots of High and advanced degrees in Computer Science, mathematics,
etc. An educated idiot is just another type of idiot.
Mort
>
> all of you guys miss two very important things:
> -slack is fast. Much more than RH!
> -Slack community is cool.. very pleasent and prepared!
>
> bye
>
Yes, Slack comm has been very good to me.
Best Regards,
Mort
Mort
Another Internet Wise Guy - Macon, Georgia USA
hal...@bnin.net (Scott Cole) wrote:.
>Another Internet Wise Guy - Macon, Georgia USA wrote:
>Thanks for those Guy
I prefer Another Internet Wise Guy, Wiseguy, or WG.
>Do we have a new Guy Macon by the way ;-)
Don't know who you are talking about. The lovely city of Macon was built
in 1823 and named afterr the great southern statesman Nathaniel Macon.
His descendents don't much cotton to carpetbaggers like me getting above
our raising by calling our selfs by that name. I am just a wiseguy who
happens to live in the fair city of Macon -- god's country. If anyone
is coming to the Cherry Blossom Festival, let me know and I will buy
you a beer and chew the fat about Slackware.
If it really matters to y'all, you can call me Chris.
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+Alan Hicks+
Hash: SHA1
In alt.os.linux.slackware, Another Internet Wise Guy - Macon,
Georgia USA dared to utter,
>>Do we have a new Guy Macon by the way ;-)
>
> Don't know who you are talking about.
A man going by the name of Guy Macon used to post here and stopped
recently. You can search google groups for his name and you'll find a
number of interesting conversations regarding his name, how he got his
job, and of course, me.
> The lovely city of Macon was built
> in 1823 and named afterr the great southern statesman Nathaniel Macon.
> His descendents don't much cotton to carpetbaggers like me getting above
> our raising by calling our selfs by that name.
Damn straight. ;^)
> I am just a wiseguy who
> happens to live in the fair city of Macon -- god's country.
s/Macon/Lizella/
s/god's/God's/
> If anyone
> is coming to the Cherry Blossom Festival, let me know and I will buy
> you a beer and chew the fat about Slackware.
I'll take you up on that one!
> If it really matters to y'all, you can call me Chris.
Alan Hicks, Slacker and redneck extradonaire.
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Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
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> There is no "WE" where you're concerned, chump. And I do not have
> a degree in Mathematics. Computer Science, Philosophy, and Law.
>
> G'nite Wanda,
>
> cordially, as always,
>
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Hey, Real Margarine!
Why don't you take your greasy kid stuff to
alt.I.am.Hated.for.being.of.low.IQ newsgroup? I am sure you will find
others whom you would be on a peer basis with....
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Jeffrey Froman
> Some guy asked a question in this ng.
> What I see anti new yorkers telling me to
> drop dead. Great way to run a NG.
Please don't think for a second that the "jokers" you are addressing "run"
this newsgroup. They just happen to be posting here, just like you.
Unfortunately (as you have noticed) while some people here try to help,
others are here for, well, other reasons apparently. If you can tolerate
wading through the trolls long enough to get your ignore lists
well-configured, I think you'll find the rest of the newsgroup (and the
Slackware community at large) to be friendlier :-)
Jeffrey
Guy Macon
+Alan Hicks+ wrote:
>A man going by the name of Guy Macon used to post here
>and stopped recently.
I am still lurking. My Slackware setup is stable and does everything that
I wish it to do, so I don't have much to talk about. As a time-saver I set
up my filters as a whitelist - I see only the posts by those who I know to
be good sources of technical information. I will relax the filters to let
newbies in and only reject flamers if I have a need to participate again.
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There is a way to influence what gets discussed in a newsgroup that
works well, and another way that has never worked no matter how many
people have tried it.
What works: Post articles on the topic you wish to see discussed,
and participate in the resulting discussion. Use killfiles and
filters so that you don't see the articles that you dislike.
If you don't know how to use a killfile, use good old fashioned
discipline and don't read the articles that you dislike. Never,
ever respond to articles that you dislike.
What doesn't work: Respond to articles that you dislike, complain
about articles that you dislike, complain about posters that you
dislike, complain about how terrible everyone else is for not posting
what you want them to post. Talk about how to respond to articles
that you dislike. Make the articles that you dislike the center of
attention, the main topic of discussion, and a personal crusade.
SuperDaemon
> Hey, Real Margarine!
>
> Why don't you take your greasy kid stuff to
> alt.I.am.Hated.for.being.of.low.IQ newsgroup? I am sure you will find
> others whom you would be on a peer basis with....
>
He in earlier post said that he has a CS degree. He denies it now.
He for the longest time used to carry a "pgp trash trol delete" campaign now
he pgp signs his messages himself.
He asks for facts and figures when somebody says Slackware faster but
Criticizes Joost for using exact terminology.
He can not figure out how to get a text copy of Keith Keller'f AOLS FAQ and
he criticizes The author for his own inability.
He says he likes and supports Linux and open source but numerous times has
criticized anyone who installs Linux on a home PC desktop.
He is rude while carrying "cordially as always".
These are what make him a genuine village idiot.
These are what make him a genuine troll.
I don't use killfile function of newsreader clients, but he is a very good
candidate for this. He does not make any sense at all. He should be
ignored, killfiled.
I apologize to the group for getting dragged into this, for prolonging this
thread with childish stuff.
Jorey Bump
@gavrilo.mtu.ru:
> I've been always using RH but now I'd like to take up sth fresh
> Slack attracts me very much People say it's the most pure (unspoiled)
> system. To the point: what are particular things about Slackware? What
> should I know assuming that I am familiar with RH? What are the
> differinces?
I migrated my production servers from RH 9 to either Debian Woody or
Slackware 10.0, so I'll be commenting from that perspective.
> For instance I don't even know could use rpm with Slackware:-))
It's just a packaging tool and sometimes it's useful to have these
utilities around. There's a good chance that installing a random rpm
won't work, or will even cause problems because it wasn't intended for
your system.
Here are some specific differences that I recall between RH 9 and
Slackware 10.0:
Red Hat's packaging system attempts to satisfy dependencies, but
Slackware's does not.
Red Hat separates some development code such as libraries and headers
into separate packages. If you need to compile software that depends on
development code (some perl modules fall into this category), you must
install a *-devel rpm. Some command line utilities from a GUI application
are provided in separate packages, so that they may be installed without
creating a dependency on X. Slackware, on the other hand, tends to
include everything in one package. Some people find it easier to develop
on Slackware because they do not have to hunt down various development
packages.
Red Hat sometimes uses the packaging system to supply additional
functionality to an application. Slackware tends to supply an application
with only the minimum necessary features enabled. This may be done to
avoid dependencies on unwanted applications or as a security precaution.
Sometimes, you can simply download the source package and modify the
build scripts to add the functionality you need. You might find that you
need another application that is not included with Slackware, and end up
creating your own packages to match your needs.
While Red Hat tweaks the code quite a bit, RH 9 applications still tended
to resemble the originals. Some distributions make them virtually
unrecognizable by significantly altering the layout or adding
configuration wrappers. Slackware barely modifies applications, other
than to fit them into the Slackware file hierarchy. This means that you
will be able to seek help directly from the application's original
documentation, developers, mailing lists, or newsgroups without tripping
over distribution-specific details.
Red Hat security updates supported unattended retrieval and installation.
While this is possible with Slackware, it can be risky with certain
configurations or because of the lack of dependency checking. It's best
to monitor updates in case something unexpected happens.
Red Hat uses PAM. Slackware does not. This was my biggest concern when
migrating to Slackware. I was surprised to discover how little I actually
needed it, and at how many security updates are related to PAM in other
distributions.
Red Hat has many little admin tools that aren't present by default in
other distributions. For example, it includes the chkconfig command to
enable/disable daemons, and the service command to start and stop them.
To enable a daemon in Slackware, you typically make the relevant script
in /etc/rc.d/ executable. Then you run the script directly with the
appropriate options.
Red Hat uses xinetd by default, but Slackware uses inetd. I prefer
xinetd, but inetd works fine, so I use it.
Red Hat provides a lot of perl modules in rpm format, which seems
convenient until you need a different version or a module that isn't
packaged. I found that using CPAN with Red Hat's stock perl was prone to
many errors and created serious headaches. On Slackware, I was able to
start using CPAN immediately, and it worked very well. This is another
reason why many people consider Slackware's lack of dependency checking
an important feature.
The Red Hat version of MySQL just installs and starts up the database
right away. The Slackware version requires you to run a few commands to
initialize the database and set the proper permissions.
Like most distributions, Red Hat applies customizations to try to create
an appealing environment. A Slackware default installation has more of a
vanilla feel to it, which you can use as a starting point to apply your
own tweaks (keep your old RH box running for while if you want to steal
some settings).
Al. C
>
> I migrated my production servers from RH 9 to either Debian Woody or
> Slackware 10.0, so I'll be commenting from that perspective.
>
[snip]
Thanks for taking what I'm sure was quite a bit of time to post this. I found
it very interesting and informative. Most of what you say reminds me of
Mandrake, which I believe was a knock-off of RH, sort of how Mepis and
Knoppix are based on Deb.
Interesting how few Slackware clones there are... Vector being the only one
that comes to mind.
Which leads to an the question about what stops someone from taking an
off-the-shelf Slackware system, doing a few tweeks to rename it "XYX Linux"
and go out and sell it? The only item I can see to prevent this is that the
special scripts and programs that P.V. has in Slackware (i.e. installpkg,
etc.) might be copyrighted, be proprietary, or be considered non-GPL
software. IANAL.
Al C.
Kai Brust
> Interesting how few Slackware clones there are... Vector being the only one
> that comes to mind.
Huh?
http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html -> Category Slackware based
Not exactly "clones", but those are all Slackware based. I guess there
are a couple more out there (Vector isn't even on this list).
> Which leads to an the question about what stops someone from taking an
> off-the-shelf Slackware system, doing a few tweeks to rename it "XYX Linux"
> and go out and sell it? The only item I can see to prevent this is that the
> special scripts and programs that P.V. has in Slackware (i.e. installpkg,
> etc.) might be copyrighted, be proprietary, or be considered non-GPL
> software. IANAL.
"less /sbin/installpkg". Everything is released under a BSD-like license.
Thomas Overgaard
Kai Brust wrote :
> I guess there are a couple more out there (Vector isn't even on this
> list).
Another Slackware derivative missing on that list is SuSE.
--
Thomas O.
This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.
Keith Matthews
>
> Kai Brust wrote :
>
>> I guess there are a couple more out there (Vector isn't even on this
>> list).
>
> Another Slackware derivative missing on that list is SuSE.
You What !!!
Never is SuSE Slack based . it's very much an RH derivative talking RH
policies to (ridiculous) extremes.
What other distro insists that you install SASL just to be able to run Samba
or cron ? (and I mean run - you try running either without and you get a
segfault).
Kai Brust
> Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>
>>
>> Kai Brust wrote :
>>
>>> I guess there are a couple more out there (Vector isn't even on this
>>> list).
>>
>> Another Slackware derivative missing on that list is SuSE.
>
>
> You What !!!
>
> Never is SuSE Slack based . it's very much an RH derivative talking RH
> policies to (ridiculous) extremes.
It is. Back in the days SuSE (formerly S.U.S.E) was just a reseller of
Slackware copies here in Germany. Then they started to localize a few
things, renamed it, and so on...
Kai Brust
> del wrote:
>> On Sunday 30 Jan 2005 09:56 Keith Matthews, wrote:
>>> Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>>>> Another Slackware derivative missing on that list is SuSE.
>>>
>>> You What !!!
>>>
>>> Never is SuSE Slack based . it's very much an RH derivative talking RH
>>> policies to (ridiculous) extremes.
>>>
>> It's true Suse was originally based on Slackware. IIRC Suse moved to RPM
>> around version 4/5.
>
> yup. that's why for a long time suse used to have a similar system of "disk
> sets" or series that slackware still has. (i don't know if suse still does
> this or not, but around version 7 they still did.)
Up to 9.0 they even included the "original" pkgtools. But it looks
like they dropped this package in 9.1.
Joost Kremers
> On Sunday 30 Jan 2005 09:56 Keith Matthews, wrote:
>> Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>>
>> You What !!!
>>
>> Never is SuSE Slack based . it's very much an RH derivative talking RH
>> policies to (ridiculous) extremes.
>>
> around version 4/5.
yup. that's why for a long time suse used to have a similar system of "disk
sets" or series that slackware still has. (i don't know if suse still does
this or not, but around version 7 they still did.)
--
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Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
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Thomas Overgaard
Joost Kremers wrote :
> yup. that's why for a long time suse used to have a similar system of "disk
> sets" or series that slackware still has. (i don't know if suse still does
> this or not, but around version 7 they still did.)
It looks like they doesn't. I have SuSE 9.1 Professional on a double
sided CD from a Linux magazine and here all packages is piled in only
one directory.
Menno Duursma
> "Al. C" <no.spam...@take.out.adams-blake.no.spam.com> writes:
>
>> Interesting how few Slackware clones there are... Vector being the only one
>> that comes to mind.
>
> Huh?
>
> http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html -> Category Slackware based
>
> Not exactly "clones", but those are all Slackware based. I guess there
> are a couple more out there (Vector isn't even on this list).
Another general-purpose one i know about, not on that list:
http://wiki.nedlinux.nl/index.php?page=VuurVlieg
Moreover *many* special-purpose distros, are based on Slack, such as:
http://www.routerlinux.com/about/
--
-Menno.
+Alan Hicks+
Hash: SHA1
In alt.os.linux.slackware, Al. C dared to utter,
> Interesting how few Slackware clones there are... Vector being the only one
> that comes to mind.
Actually Slackware is one of the biggest distros to be cloned. From
what I can see, Debian is the most "cloned", Red Hat second-most, and
Slackware third. Slackware is used as the base for a lot of "themed"
distros. By that, I mean distros that serve a single purpose. You'll
find Slax (live cd to be used as a portable desktop), College Linux
(geared towards teaching students the OS underneath), MoviX (live cd
that boots and plays nearly any video file), RUNT (USB flash drive
distro for network testing), TopologiLinux (runs side-by-side to
Windows on a FAT partition ah la BigSlack). Of course there's also
things like Vector Linux which are basically their own distribution.
Some of these acknowledge their link to Slackware and I'm sure others
don't.
- --
It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise,
Than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
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Randy Myers
>
> He in earlier post said that he has a CS degree. He denies it now.
Writings on the wall are a good start to read,
meanwhile don't try to attack a troll frontally :D)