PCLOS 2013.4 install completed it seems xRe: pclinuxos64-kde-2013.04 install problem.

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 04/12/2013 09:59 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

About problems but today reports success.
I finally go it setup properly it seems. Well I thought
I was there on Friday but the test account i was working on
wiped out all the directories and files in its /Home/user
directory between boots. I have spent lots of energy today
trying to remove the empty directory.
I had to do just that with my original user account then re-create it
and then re-establish the link between ahome/user/Data directory and the
/data partition.
On the other hand I have straightened out the /data partition (in
main hard drive) and /Adata partition (Adata on backup external hard
drive) permissions so that I can read and write to them.

The PCLOS install is simpler and more complicated than the Mandriva.
Mandriva has everything done at the end of the Install but the PCLOS
makes you reboot before you can add the name you are using, root
passwords and primary user accounts. My /data directory seems to
have confused the install scripts and the /data directory was the only
one written to my User directory. So that was very sucky.

I think it would have been find but for my eccentric partitioning
scheme. In the meantime I could not locate my documents on setting
up the /data directory to data partition properly.
I did learn how to to backup and restore on Thunderbird though
so the time was not totally wasted,

Have been spending all day setting up KDE to my liking
but Thursday night was so intense that I could not remember to
take my medications and supplements at bedtime and was
up for hours after that.

Had to use root to keep up with my email and Usenet posts.

Further
bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 04/13/2013 09:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
But then it went away or at least the damn home directory was
munged and back to work.
haven't managed to configure my home Thunderbird yet
so back to work.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 04/15/2013 09:10 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 04/13/2013 09:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> But then it went away or at least the damn home directory was
> munged and back to work.
> haven't managed to configure my home Thunderbird yet
> so back to work.
>
> bliss
>

Well I got it re-installed at the SF-LUG meeting earlier this
(Monday)evening, shut it down with Hibernation and back at home, it is
running OK. Not fully configured yet but much closer.

I frankly would rather be using Mandriva 2013.01 but looks like
that is not going to happen so...

This distro may not be ready for prime time yet,
But compared to the Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS it is a marvel of clarity and
simplicity. I booted up said Ubuntu on Sunday
evening because a UG member had a question about how to do
something.
Ohh how I regret that as the computer under Ubuntu became
useless and I found no new information for my friend, Ubuntu
would not shut down and refused keyboard input when I was
attempting to leave. I had to do a hard reset with the power
switch so it is little wonder that my PCLOS system was damaged
by it.
But as i say the that was repaired Monday night.
But have to do a lot of writing and other upper back
stressing work so I have spasms in my upper back.


Further
bliss

[Jim Beard]

On 04/16/2013 04:59 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 04/15/2013 09:10 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 04/13/2013 09:42 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> But then it went away or at least the damn home directory was
>> munged and back to work.
>> haven't managed to configure my home Thunderbird yet
>> so back to work.
>>
>> bliss
>>
> Well I got it re-installed at the SF-LUG meeting earlier this
> (Monday)evening, shut it down with Hibernation and back at home,
> it is running OK. Not fully configured yet but much closer.
>
> I frankly would rather be using Mandriva 2013.01 but looks like
> that is not going to happen so...

Actually, Per Oyvind Karlsen has released a "preview" of
something, that he calls Moondrake. That is Open Mandriva's
cooker, bundled. I would not recommend you install it unless you
wish to really be on the bleeding edge of something that may go
away entirely. The Open Mandriva Association will at some point
release a new version, but as you observe that may not happen soon.

If you prefer Mandriva, may I suggest Magea 3. The Beta 4
release is currently serving me well (on my backup machine, not
my "production" machine). There are currently 40-odd "critical"
bugs holding up the release, but many of those have been fixed
and are just awaiting testing.

When Magea 3 is released, I intend to buy a laptop (it will have
a 17.3-inch display for my old eyes, leaning toward an AMD A8
cpu, hp for the keyboard which I like better than the Dell
keyboard, would be nice if it had Win7 for dual boot rather than
Win 8 but the latter seems to be the default on machines with the
A8- cpu). If Magea 3 installs nicely and works on that, I will
probably install it on my two desktop machines.

Cheers!

jim b.


--
UNIX is not user unfriendly; it merely
expects users to be computer-friendly.

[Bobbie Sellers]

Well Jim I would do the same but all the new higher powered
systemd are going to be using UEFI with Secure Boot so right now Fedora
18 and Kubuntu/Ubuntu 12.04.2 and 12.10.2 are the only bootable distros
on those machines. Of course Mageia 3 may be able to deal with that
using the Linux Foundations tools but most likely it will require that
you use the tools and then boot the Linux.
New versions of 'buntus are due shortly according to my
informant.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

I misspelled systems above hitting the d instead of the s.
Just want to be very clear on what I was attempting to write,
Typed so much yesterday that my right hand hurts.
bliss

[Jim Beard]

Well, your experience with Mandriva 2011 PLUS and mine were quite
different, but our systems are different and trying to
trouble-shoot from opposite coasts did not seem worth the effort
for either of us.

Our hopes (I would like to say expectations, but that may be too
strong) regarding Mageia would likewise seem different. When the
release happens, I will settle in and try to do some serious
installing. If I get a Winblows 7 system all should go easily.
Otherwise, if possible, I will simply disable UEFI and (somehow)
finesse a way to boot into Winblows if I need it. I will not
have secure boot for Linux, but should be able to allow Win8 its
preference when it is the chosen system for boot.

I don't think I am going to fool with the *buntus. Fedora Core
should do all I really need, and I can do without the nice
non-essentials. In extremis, I suppose I could leave Linux for
FreeBSD, but going all the way back to UNIX without getting
System V Rel 4 (enhanced!) would seem pointless, in that I really
do not need the efficiency nor the security possible with UNIX
and it woud involve considerable effort to go back to it.

[Aragorn]

On Thursday 18 April 2013 16:45, Bobbie Sellers conveyed the following
to alt.os.linux.mandriva...

>> When Magea 3 is released, I intend to buy a laptop (it will have a
>> 17.3-inch display for my old eyes, leaning toward an AMD A8 cpu, hp
>> for the keyboard which I like better than the Dell keyboard, would be
>> nice if it had Win7 for dual boot rather than Win 8 but the latter
>> seems to be the default on machines with the A8- cpu). If Magea 3
>> installs nicely and works on that, I will probably install it on my
>> two desktop machines.
>>

> Well Jim I would do the same but all the new higher powered
> systemd are going to be using UEFI with Secure Boot so right now
> Fedora 18 and Kubuntu/Ubuntu 12.04.2 and 12.10.2 are the only bootable
> distros on those machines.

I'm afraid that's not correct, Bobbie. All GNU/Linux distros can be
made to work on an x86 system with a UEFI and Secure Boot, because...

1. Secure Boot can be disabled on x86, and you only need to have it
enabled if you are also going to be using said machine with Windows
8. Ergo, with Secure Boot disabled, all you need is EFI support in
either the bootloader or the kernel, and all recent kernels have an
EFI stub loader, so that they can be loaded straight from the EFI's
boot selector.

2. All x86 machines with a UEFI also offer a legacy BIOS compatibility
mode, which allows any operating system for x86 to boot on such a
machine.

3. If you're only going to be using the machine with GNU/Linux, then
I would suggest not buying one which has Windows 8 pre-installed,
because then you'll be paying for the Windows license anyway. So,
instead go shopping for a laptop which comes with GNU/Linux pre-
installed. Lenovo offers some of those, and possibly Dell and
Acer as well.

--
= Aragorn =
GNU/Linux user #223157 - http://www.linuxcounter.net

[Aragorn]

On Thursday 18 April 2013 22:21, Jim Beard conveyed the following to
alt.os.linux.mandriva...

> [...] In extremis, I suppose I could leave Linux for FreeBSD, but

> going all the way back to UNIX without getting System V Rel 4
> (enhanced!) would seem pointless, in that I really do not need the
> efficiency nor the security possible with UNIX and it woud involve
> considerable effort to go back to it.

1. FreeBSD is no more and no less of a UNIX than GNU/Linux is, and
does not offer any additional security over GNU/Linux.

2. GNU/Linux offers more security and virtualization abilities [*]
out of the box than SysV R4 ever did, and than FreeBSD currently
does.


[*] a. supports both dom0 and domU on Xen
b. User Mode Linux (UML)
c. Linux Containers (LXC) (with cgroups and cpusets)
d. Linux Kernel Virtual Machine (KVM), with Qemu
e. Linux lguest ("lightweight guest"), with Qemu
f. even supports running on Microsoft Hyper-V <gulp>