Poll: what do you use Windows for...
TomB
I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
For me:
- Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
- Music creation (Fruity Loops)
- Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
- Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
numbnut)
- File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
as the Windows variant.
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POOP
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
Haven't found a good substitute for finale or fruity loops
either. Did you try noteedit?
I'm installing it right now, wonder if it's any good.
Nevertheless I don't really use windows anymore.
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
Printer works, no scanner :)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
Oh come on!
1. The are plenty of html editors in Linux!
Even if you don't know html, mozilla has WYSIWYG
page editor.
2. Dreamweaver works in WINE !
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
Kazaa Lite works in WINE!
Plus there's eMule for linux at sourceforge!
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
Only when it comes to nice music score progs.
I keep a windows98 installation zipped in a file because it's good
thing to have when using WINE.
Other than that, I hardly boot to windows, only when I really
need to run a program which I can't run in Linux and which has
no Linux substitute, and that doesn't happen very often.
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Brian Penix
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
CUPS didn't see your printer? You really must have an esoteric one. Out of
curiousity, what make & model is it? I know scanners are a problem due
manufacturers thinking they have a pot of gold in their proprietary drivers
(and they do in Windows). I just find it hard to believe that your printer
doesn't work in Linux.
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
I don't have anything against DreamWeaver but don't you think it is time to
learn how your designing works? What if you have to fix a small problem
that DreamWeaver creates?
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
Have you tried gtk-gnutella? It is better in my opinion than EDonkey solely
for layout reasons.
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
>
>
I don't agree with this statement. They may not be good enough for you, but
I don't have a problem with them.
I have to use windows at work and that is too much! I don't dual boot home.
I can better use the space M$ takes for real programs.
B.
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WHat I use Linux for:
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Johannes Lundberg
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
I only have w2k on my other computer as second boot-option for my friends who wants to use it.
They seem to get so confused when they are using Linux because there are no
BSOD, funny error-messages or hang-ups... Ever...
(And the best of all, no f*ing taskbar.. (WindowMaker)
No honestly, I play SimCity 4 once in a while.. Thats all....
Yeah, and from time to time when I get stuck with something difficult in Linux
I switch computer, start Windows, use it for 5 minutes and I got enough energy to
keep configuring my Linux-server for a week.... =)
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Mark Draheim
>> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
>
> CUPS didn't see your printer? You really must have an esoteric one. Out of
> curiousity, what make & model is it? I know scanners are a problem due
> manufacturers thinking they have a pot of gold in their proprietary
> drivers (and they do in Windows). I just find it hard to believe that your
> printer doesn't work in Linux.
well, most of the so called GDI printers (ie printers that don't understand
any of the standard languages) won't work with Linux. I once had a Minolta
Winlaser 400 that was given to me. A friend has the one Panasonic Laser
(can't remember the model, XX 6600 or so) that isn't supported.
Fortunately, it seems that these dumb devices get out of fashion.
Now I bought a Kyocera FS-1010 N which works like a dream, just had to hook
it to the network and point printerdrake at it.
- Mark
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TomB
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in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
> I open them to let air into my house.
Lol. Very lol...
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TomB
iwantuni...@yahoo.com) had the uncontrollable urge to write the
following crap in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
> Haven't found a good substitute for finale or fruity loops
> either. Did you try noteedit?
Tried it, but didn't like it at all. Lacks a lot of stuff.
I'm planning to check on Rosegarden though. Looked at their site
(http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/) and it seems to be very very
promising.
> Oh come on!
> 1. The are plenty of html editors in Linux!
> Even if you don't know html, mozilla has WYSIWYG
> page editor.
> 2. Dreamweaver works in WINE !
1. The Mozilla Composer sucks big time.
2. Yes. I know. I might do that more often...
> Kazaa Lite works in WINE!
Can't get it to work properly. I did all the dll stuff configuration and
all, but it keeps on crashing when I set my downloads directory.
paul s
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
KazaaLite works very well on WINE.
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
The only thing I miss on Linux is a decent DV video-editing suite, like
Adobe Premier or Pinnacle. This is the only thing I still use Windows
occasionally for.
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Mandrake Linux 9.1
Karloff
-Flash design with Macromedia Flash MX (would be fine a Linux version,
since this really has no substitute)
-Watch TV with my AverTV-USB card. Linux don't support that hardware.
I'd be happy if I could work just with Linux and uninstall Windows,
but........
POOP
> On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:56:57 +0200, TomB wrote:
>
>>
>> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
>> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
>> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>>
>> For me:
>> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
>> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
>
> Haven't found a good substitute for finale or fruity loops
> either. Did you try noteedit?
> I'm installing it right now, wonder if it's any good.
> Nevertheless I don't really use windows anymore.
Just tried noteedit, looks promising.
It's won't paly anything on my computer though, maybe
there's something wrong with my config.
Anyway, try it.
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Blake Leverett
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
My windows partition quit booting over a year ago, and I never bothered to
fix it. Now it's just a storage area, with all the win98 stuff erased.
I use win4lin for the important CAD packages I have to run for making money,
and I play with wine a lot for other stuff. Wine is really getting to be
useful.
Blake
TomB
penix1[REMOVEME]@marshall.edu) had the uncontrollable urge to write the
following crap in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
> CUPS didn't see your printer? You really must have an esoteric one. Out of
> curiousity, what make & model is it? I know scanners are a problem due
> manufacturers thinking they have a pot of gold in their proprietary
> drivers (and they do in Windows). I just find it hard to believe that your
> printer doesn't work in Linux.
I have the Lexmark X74 all in one. No drivers are available for it for
Linux. I tried the drivers for the X73 but they didn't work.
If you have any advice, shoot it...
paul s
>> Kazaa Lite works in WINE!
>
> Can't get it to work properly. I did all the dll stuff configuration and
> all, but it keeps on crashing when I set my downloads directory.
>
What version of KazaaLite? KL 1.72 happens to be very reliable on the latest
WINE build
Web Dreamer
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
For me :
My scaner (Canoscan FB636U)
My windows shares (I'm a dumbass nerd at configuring samba even with
graphical tools).
surfing and mails when I'm not at home (laptop) cause of winmodem (have a
lan at home, so Linux works for web with ethernet).
For the rest, I only use Linux :
Glame
Gimp
Open Office
Mozilla
Xmms
Etc... because the list would be tooooooooooooooo Looooooooooooooooooong.
In fact, I notice that I mostly need windows for 1 application (scanning).
But I hate having to use it. The more I stay with Linux, the happyer I am.
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POOP
> On Wednesday 14 May 2003 17:18 the entity known as POOP (spammable at
> iwantuni...@yahoo.com) had the uncontrollable urge to write the
> following crap in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
>
>> Haven't found a good substitute for finale or fruity loops either. Did
>> you try noteedit?
>
> Tried it, but didn't like it at all. Lacks a lot of stuff. I'm planning
> to check on Rosegarden though. Looked at their site
> (http://www.all-day-breakfast.com/rosegarden/) and it seems to be very
> very promising.
Seems to be a better app than noteedit, I'll check it out
>> Oh come on!
>> 1. The are plenty of html editors in Linux!
>> Even if you don't know html, mozilla has WYSIWYG page editor.
>> 2. Dreamweaver works in WINE !
>
> 1. The Mozilla Composer sucks big time.
Yeah, I just write code myself using quanta plus.
> 2. Yes. I know. I might do that more often...
>
>> Kazaa Lite works in WINE!
>
> Can't get it to work properly. I did all the dll stuff configuration and
> all, but it keeps on crashing when I set my downloads directory.
I'm running the newest kazaa (K++ i think) from kazaalite.tk
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Lupino
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
Internet. Mail/Usenet.
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
I tried and tried, but I was not able to connect to my ISP with mi Asuscom
TA. Now I'm waiting for help from a friend, and I really hope that it
works, because Linux is suitable for almost everything I do with my pc
(music listening, programming (kind of ;P), studying, word processing,
printing etc..)
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Brian Penix
Yeah....I now believe. But this is an esoteric printer. Lexmark isn't the
best at customer service even for their Windows customers. Fat chance
getting a driver out of them. Best you can hope for is a developer out
there with the same printer getting pissed and writing one. OTOH, stranger
things have happened...;)
Tiberius
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
They need Windows to run AutoCAD. A big reason!
Andrew Roberts
I don't know much about either of those products, and I'm a newbie with
DV editing. I'm using Kino for capture and light editing. I also
installed Cinelerra, but I haven't had much time to mess about with it,
or read much of the documentation.
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Robert McKee
Rm
paul s
> I don't know much about either of those products, and I'm a newbie with
> DV editing. I'm using Kino for capture and light editing. I also
> installed Cinelerra, but I haven't had much time to mess about with it,
> or read much of the documentation.
Thanks for that. I will give them a try.
Roodw...@core.com
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
That's easy. Nothing.
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alex
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
>
>
I use a win98 disk for the kids games, photoshop and a film scanner,
which I doubt I will ever get a driver for.
I also sometimes use webstripper to extract a website and kazza lite,
I know I can replace these under linux, but as I already have them
setup and working and can read the win disk and swap data from the
linux, I can't be bothered changing the setup.
Alex
Ben S
> CUPS didn't see your printer? You really must have an esoteric one.
> Out of curiousity, what make & model is it?
It didn't find my USB Lexmark Z25 either.
> I don't have anything against DreamWeaver but don't you think it is
> time to learn how your designing works? What if you have to fix a
> small problem that DreamWeaver creates?
That's like saying you need to know assembly in case gcc creates a
problem with your compiled C code :) I know HTML very well, but do I
want to waste hours coding something by hand when an editor like
Dreamweaver can do it in seconds?
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Ben S
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but
> since I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I
> started wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows
> for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
Almost identical for me, to be honest. I couldn't live without PowerTab
or Dreamweaver, and FruityLoops is very handy too. Is there any Linux
software on a par with Cakewalk Pro Audio 9? I wonder if Rosegarden is
up to the task.
Apart from the music and web stuff, I mainly just need it for DirectX
games... some of which might run under WINE, if I ever manage to get
that, which in turn depends on me being able to actually get X to
install properly...
Bill
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> as the Windows variant.
>
>
I keep it for the kids games, accessing a work site that's coded only for
Internet Explorer :( and a flight sim that refuses to work without direct
hex. Other than those, Linux is where I spend my time.
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>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
Nothing. My scanner, printer, tv card, webcam etc. all work great with
Linux. I do have a windows partition with 98 on it, but for the life of me
I can't remember the last time I booted into Windows.
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Robert Delahunt
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
>
>
Gamez
Newsgroups / Email
Office-type applications
Adobe Illustrator / Photoshop / Bryce 5
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Brian Penix
That is exactly what I'm saying. So what you are saying is that people who
visit your site should put up with poorly written or buggy HTML because you
may be inconvienced and have to edit it by hand? If the tool you are using
to do a job fails, you should at least know how to fix both it and the
underlying problem. The trouble I have with Windows WYSIWYG editors is that
most (not all, but most) like to do things their way. This usually leads to
really insane HTML and can lead to browser lock-in without your knowledge.
Ever land on a page that required Flash to view it? This is the kind of
insane stuff that only leads to pissed off viewers. Now is that how you
want people visiting your site to be?
T. Relyea
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
Only games. I don't trust it with any other application where I care about my
data.
Todd
Paul
soon as I get a Linux compatable scanner, no more windows.
Paul.
Bill Piety
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
Primarily MS Access 2000. I've got a very large legacy database at the
office full of macros, modules, etc. Tried Codeweavers newest but it just
wasn't do-able. Interesting to see IE6 run on my Linux laptop, tho. I've
also got to work with large spreadsheets from corporate code-bunnies full
of odds and ends of VB, etc. I don't have the freedom to unilaterally
attempt a conversion from Access to any other platform.
Anyone solved this db problem?
Dan C
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
About the ONLY thing I need Windows for these days is a program called
"The All-Seeing Eye". It's a game server browser that helps you locate
and join game servers for many games. While the games I care about (RTCW,
Q3A, and UT2003) are working great on my Linux box, it's not as handy to
find the servers you want. If someone would produce a Linux equivalent
for this, I'd be done with Windows forever.
Karl s
scanner nor my equally-antique serial-port digital camera are
well-supported under linux. I've connected them to my laptop for the
occasional times I need to use them. pretty much all other computing I
do is with linux.
Karl S.
fernando
>
>I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
>I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
>wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
>- Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
>- Music creation (Fruity Loops)
>- Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
>- Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
>- File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
>Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
>as the Windows variant.
For nothing.
The last things I run under vmware were:
- kazaa: now kazaa lite runs under wine
- digital camara: since some months ago my camera is supported by ghpoto2
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Andrew Preater
> since I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I
> started wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows
> for.
Not much.
Of course I need Win98 there to use things through WINE, and I used MS
Activesync when I was installing Linux on my ipaq. You can do the
whole install through Linux, but it's easier to do the first stage
(transferring a Windoze .exe that removes the original WinCE
bootloader) with Activesync. The rest of the install is much easier
to do in Minicom, the alternative being Hyperterminal. Aaaargh! :)
Other than that, um... well, there's this little program that converts
MIDI music to keypresses so I can enter it as a ringtone on my Siemens
mobile. It's Windoze only, has been sitting on my drive for months,
and has only been used once.
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Linux user #238547
Laurent Duperval
> TomB wrote:
>
> > I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> > I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> > wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> Internet. Mail/Usenet.
>
Tax software and those free Hasbro games for the kids.
L
Curt
> Ever land on a page that required Flash to view it? This is the kind of
Yes, I did once. I was reading an article on the CNN site about the
suicide rate among American high school students. There was a link to
a "help" site for depressed teenagers, or something along those lines,
so I clicked it out of curiosity.
"You need the flashplayer plugin to view this site."
"Jesus," I thought to myself, "that's enough to push anyone over the
edge, and probably has".
What do they call that, anyway? The last straw? The story of my life?
So be careful, coders. Inconsiderate html can kill, and stupidity when
taken to facetious extremes is a potent, lethal weapon not to be put in
the hands of just anyone, although it seems that it is precisely just
anyone who is most often thusly armed.
NurseDude
>
>
>>I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
>>I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
>>wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
I am a recnt "convert" and run Mandrake 9.1 and Xp in a dual boot (2
hard drives) configuration. I still need to use windows for a couple of
things.
1. Remote Access software to my employer (proprietary)
2. Scanner doesn't function in Linux (no drivers yet)
3. Digital Cam is an older one that is not supported
4. Wife still likes XP.
ND
Thulemanden
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
The real paradox is, that Windows are made to be open. Why else have
them?
It follows that the true subliminal purpose of Bill Gates is Open
Source. Why else call it windows like?
Person Man
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
>
I dual boot for the usual reasons:
- Old scanner that doesn't work in Linux (some day I'll get one that does)
- games (I'm not much of a gamer but there are a couple that I really
like) - editing the videos that my digicam makes (Xine will play them but
Kino won't open them) - I've got it so I might as well use it
In the past I used it to do things I didn't know how to do in Linux but
with time that gets to be less and less of a reason.
Alexander Solano
>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
Games and to create Gif animations and 360/Panoramic pictures.
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Dual Boot Windows XP Pro / Mandrake 9.1 LRU 252577
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nunya,<busi...@127.0.0.1> babbled:
> I open them to let air into my house.
Glad I read this far. I was going to post the exact same thing. :-D
Hmm, I also use my windows for watching the rain. As well as peeking
at my unruly, drunk neighbors at 2:00AM to make sure they aren't
puking in my yard or driveway. Also watching to see when my wife gets
home from the grocery so I can go and help her unload the car. I
believe all those are tasks for which windows are designed. :->
Gene <ge...@eracc.hypermart.net>
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>
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003)
> - Music creation (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux)
> - Web Design (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
Since there are already over 40 replies, I shall not likely revisit this
thread, but since you asked, I use windows for two things now:
Playing Delta Force on the Internet (runs great in WINE, but when under
wine, it won't play on the Internet, and I haven't screwed with it yet.
MS Office documents. I'm sorry, but OOo just doesn't cut it. When my
bullets come out looking like black dots with the number "10" inside,
that's not compatibility. Also, tables turn out odd, the page margins are
never saved properly, and overall it just doesn't save right. It *WILL*
do in a *PINCH*, though.
And occasionally, I'll use Nero in Win because I still don't trust the
others yet, and I can't afford to waste any ROMs.
Other than that, I'm all Linux. Shame, too - means I can't play Need for
Speed anymore (won't run on Win2000, haven't tried under Wine yet).
CB
Ben S
> Ben S wrote:
>> That's like saying you need to know assembly in case gcc creates a
>> problem with your compiled C code :)
>
It is, of course, pretty ridiculous. If a computer can make our job
easier, then that's good. We shouldn't all need to know how to do
everything on a micro-level just in case one of our tools is not
perfect.
> So what you are saying is that
> people who visit your site should put up with poorly written or buggy
> HTML because you may be inconvienced and have to edit it by hand?
You are obviously unfamiliar with the quality of HTML code that
Dreamweaver 4 actually generates. Even the formatting is pretty good
these days.
But, if a tool generates bad HTML, you should endeavour to change or fix
the tool. Not waste your time learning all the intricacies of something
that you'll hardly ever need. You might not like the fact, but learning
x86 assembly language is a pointless waste of 99.9% of programmers' time
these days. In a few years, the same will probably be the case for HTML.
It's progress; we encapsulate low-level details in a higher level
structure, freeing us to think of more lofty goals.
You shouldn't need to know Intel microcode to view the web, yet that's
the logical extension of your argument, because any number of layers
could potentially fail between the application and the logic gates that
drive it.
> Ever land on a page
> that required Flash to view it? This is the kind of insane stuff that
> only leads to pissed off viewers.
Sure, it annoys me too. But I've never seen an HTML tool act that way,
and certainly not Dreamweaver even though it's made by the same people
who make Flash. So it's an extreme argument that doesn't seem to have a
parallel in the real world.
Joe Stafford
faxes, scanner, digital camera, picture manipulation software, stock trading
portfolio management software that handles real time live quote systems
David Christopher Weichert
> On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:59:29 -0400, Brian Penix wrote:
>
>
>> Ever land on a page that required Flash to view it? This is the kind of
>
> Yes, I did once. I was reading an article on the CNN site about the
> suicide rate among American high school students. There was a link to
> a "help" site for depressed teenagers, or something along those lines,
> so I clicked it out of curiosity.
>
> "You need the flashplayer plugin to view this site."
>
> "Jesus," I thought to myself, "that's enough to push anyone over the
> edge, and probably has".
>
So finally I found a *useful* application for Flash! If that nasty will to
live spoils my suicide plans. BTW I have a Flashplugin for Linux installed
and one thing you can say about Macromedia is that they are very good at
offering it for all kinds of platforms, unfortunately they are also good
at making their website suck navigationwise, so you can only find stuff
using google.
paul s
> And occasionally, I'll use Nero in Win because I still don't trust the
> others yet, and I can't afford to waste any ROMs.
I've recently started using CDRW for just about everything except audio [1],
I can get them for about the same price as regular CDRs. So if Nero, K3B or
whatever f*cks up it don't matter.
[1] My car system can't play CDRW.
--
Paul S
Mandrake Linux 9.1
IceWM
Lordy
making VCDs from DVDs using TMPEnc.
Editing word documents for work. (These are often big complex technical
manuals for clients and contributions are made by other colleagues.)
I know this can all be done via Linux I just havent had time to
learn. And XNews gives nicer visibilty of headers, queues etc.
Other than that - not much else.
Just installed mc - kewl.
Reminds me of the 'dos' days. :)
Pleasantly surprised by mouse control and file launching.
Lordy
Lordy
Just avoid archiving anything important on them. They are generally not as
reliable is CDR. Esp if they are cheap ones. YMMV of course.
Lordy
ngilder
> I do not know if these type of posts are appreciated in here, but since
> I see a lot of people are using a dual boot with Windows, I started
> wondering: what do people who use both OS still need Windows for.
>
> For me:
> - Music Score editing (PowerTab 1.7, Finale 2003) - Music creation
> (Fruity Loops)
> - Printing / Scanning (hardware doesn't work with Linux) - Web Design
> (very low profile - band site - DreamWeaver - am a html
> numbnut)
> - File Sharing with KazaaLite(if I can't find it on EDonkey)
>
>
> Why? The Linux alternatives are either non-existant or not good enough
> as the Windows variant.
Here in the UK I have to use windows for my football (soccer,if you must)
because the people who broadcast it on the web insist you use MS products
i.e. IE and WMP. I have tried the crossover plugin (a good product, and
getting better) together with the UA in konqueror to fool it into thinking
it's IE I'm using but the streaming audio will just not work. So i'm stuck
with windows for that.
The children also insist that I must be able to play all the games the
other kids play on their machines, although they play linux games as well.
Nick
Brian Penix
> Brian Penix wrote:
>> Ben S wrote:
>>> That's like saying you need to know assembly in case gcc creates a
>>> problem with your compiled C code :)
>>
>> That is exactly what I'm saying.
>
> It is, of course, pretty ridiculous. If a computer can make our job
> easier, then that's good. We shouldn't all need to know how to do
> everything on a micro-level just in case one of our tools is not
> perfect.
>
It isn't a compiler you are talking about it *IS* an editor! It is simply an
automated editor. If you don't know the underlying code then you are
screwed...
>> So what you are saying is that
>> people who visit your site should put up with poorly written or buggy
>> HTML because you may be inconvienced and have to edit it by hand?
>
> You are obviously unfamiliar with the quality of HTML code that
> Dreamweaver 4 actually generates. Even the formatting is pretty good
> these days.
>
I don't use Dreamweaver since it is an expensive POS for Windows. I have,
however had to repair sites that were created with this thing.
> But, if a tool generates bad HTML, you should endeavour to change or fix
> the tool. Not waste your time learning all the intricacies of something
> that you'll hardly ever need. You might not like the fact, but learning
> x86 assembly language is a pointless waste of 99.9% of programmers' time
> these days. In a few years, the same will probably be the case for HTML.
> It's progress; we encapsulate low-level details in a higher level
> structure, freeing us to think of more lofty goals.
>
You just contradicted yourself. It is the tool (that you can't fix) that
created the bad HTML to begin with. If you don't know how to fix the HTML
because you used a glorified wizard to create it, well then you are
screwed.
> You shouldn't need to know Intel microcode to view the web, yet that's
> the logical extension of your argument, because any number of layers
> could potentially fail between the application and the logic gates that
> drive it.
>
This has nothing to do with running a glorified wizard...And you do need to
know about the architecture of whatever platform you are programming for.
If you know nothing about you should at least know how to fix the code you
just wrote for it.
>> Ever land on a page
>> that required Flash to view it? This is the kind of insane stuff that
>> only leads to pissed off viewers.
>
> Sure, it annoys me too. But I've never seen an HTML tool act that way,
> and certainly not Dreamweaver even though it's made by the same people
> who make Flash. So it's an extreme argument that doesn't seem to have a
> parallel in the real world.
>
Ever seen FrontPage? I rest my case...
B.
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WayneC
"Curt" <cu...@free.fr> wrote in message
news:slrnbc7c9...@einstein.electron.net...
> On Wed, 14 May 2003 16:59:29 -0400, Brian Penix wrote:
>
>
> > Ever land on a page that required Flash to view it? This is the kind of
>
> Yes, I did once. I was reading an article on the CNN site about the
> suicide rate among American high school students. There was a link to
> a "help" site for depressed teenagers, or something along those lines,
> so I clicked it out of curiosity.
>
> "You need the flashplayer plugin to view this site."
>
> "Jesus," I thought to myself, "that's enough to push anyone over the
> edge, and probably has".
>
> What do they call that, anyway? The last straw? The story of my life?
>
Nope, I call it natural selection at work......What? your still here?
WayneC
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>
<snip idiotic comment by me!>
Sorry about that reply I made last night. Don't know where it came from and
today I realized it was uncalled for and have issued a cancellation request.
In the meantime, please ignore it as the brain fart it was.