Hi, Newbie here , Can someone please Assist me ? THANX
kroms
experts , and just everyone in general that comptrubutes to this
newsgroup, i was Floored when i read and saw all the questions and
replies that everyone was posting, its like having tech support online
:) .
Now as far as me, im a NEWBIE wth Linux so i guess im somewhat dumb
compared to you guys/gals , but im patient and willing to listen.
I can configure and run Win98, install and setup Win NT , ( server )
but like i said im new to Linux so , please be patient. Bare with me
:)..........here goes
Ok. i just paid and purchsed Caldara OpenLinux 2.4
I installed the Full version. on a 5.4 gig Hard drive that i formatted
for Linux .
Everything installed ok and i get to the KDE desktop.
Everthing seems to work , but i cannot seem to browse on the internet,
it just give me an error that it cannot find that URL.
I have a DLing 538 10/100 Network adapter , and i know it detected it.
Im Using a Cable modem , and maybe some how i dont think it ( the card
) is setup correctly in Linux ?
What do you guys think ? Everything works , but i can Surf. Im
sortta suck here
Thank you in Advance :)
L. Friedman
of 'ifconfig' to see which interfaces you have up. If you're working
with a NIC, then there must be an entry for eth0 or youre NIC is not
recognized. If there's no eth0 then you need to check Caldera's
hardware compatibility list to determine which module must be loaded to
recognize that NIC. Then load that module via COAS -> Kernel.
Next you should verify via COAS that you have inputed the correct IP
address (or setup for DHCP if applicable), gateway address, and DNS
info.
I'd also recommend reading the FAQ for this NG (in my sig) for alot more
info on COL2.4.
kroms wrote:
> Ok. i just paid and purchsed Caldara OpenLinux 2.4
> I installed the Full version. on a 5.4 gig Hard drive that i formatted
> for Linux .
> Everything installed ok and i get to the KDE desktop.
> Everthing seems to work , but i cannot seem to browse on the internet,
> it just give me an error that it cannot find that URL.
> I have a DLing 538 10/100 Network adapter , and i know it detected it.
> Im Using a Cable modem , and maybe some how i dont think it ( the card
> ) is setup correctly in Linux ?
> What do you guys think ? Everything works , but i can Surf. Im
> sortta suck here
--
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L. Friedman bee...@earthling.net
The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
Step-by-step help for common COL problems:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
Patrick Goupell
kroms wrote:
>
> Hi, and first off id like to applaud and say THANK you all of you users,
> experts , and just everyone in general that comptrubutes to this
> newsgroup, i was Floored when i read and saw all the questions and
> replies that everyone was posting, its like having tech support online
> :) .
> Now as far as me, im a NEWBIE wth Linux so i guess im somewhat dumb
> compared to you guys/gals , but im patient and willing to listen.
> I can configure and run Win98, install and setup Win NT , ( server )
> but like i said im new to Linux so , please be patient. Bare with me
> :)..........here goes
>
> Ok. i just paid and purchsed Caldara OpenLinux 2.4
> I installed the Full version. on a 5.4 gig Hard drive that i formatted
> for Linux .
> Everything installed ok and i get to the KDE desktop.
> Everthing seems to work , but i cannot seem to browse on the internet,
> it just give me an error that it cannot find that URL.
> I have a DLing 538 10/100 Network adapter , and i know it detected it.
> Im Using a Cable modem , and maybe some how i dont think it ( the card
> ) is setup correctly in Linux ?
> What do you guys think ? Everything works , but i can Surf. Im
> sortta suck here
>
> Thank you in Advance :)
If you had your cable modem connected to a different computer/ethernet
card, then you may have to power off the cable modem for about 30
seconds. This will cause the cable modem to forget what was plugged in
to if before.
I had a similar problem and it took a call to my cable modem provider to
get this bit of info.
--
Patrick Goupell
http://www.nite.org
http://www.noneusa.org
kroms
"L. Friedman" wrote:
> Well, the first thing that i'd recommend trying is looking at the output
> of 'ifconfig' to see which interfaces you have up. If you're working
> with a NIC, then there must be an entry for eth0 or youre NIC is not
> recognized.
Yes , there is a eth0 , so i take it it recognized my NIC.
> If there's no eth0 then you need to check Caldera's
> hardware compatibility list to determine which module must be loaded to
> recognize that NIC. Then load that module via COAS -> Kernel.
My NIC is a DLink 530 tx , i has Linux drivers on the Floppy that came with
the Card but im not sure how to install the drivers from the floppy or how to
LOAD the module via COAS that yu metion.
>
>
> Next you should verify via COAS that you have inputed the correct IP
> address (or setup for DHCP if applicable), gateway address, and DNS
> info.
>
Well as far as i can tell , normally in WIN98 its setup as DHCP and im givin
a IP from my ISP wich is my local cable company.
Id also like to mention that it says something about TULIP or something to
do with Tulip, again, im a newbie an i think its going to take time and alot
of effor and reading to fully understand this all. Too bad Linux in not
more User Friendly as WIN.( as far as Setup and such.
>
> I'd also recommend reading the FAQ for this NG (in my sig) for alot more
> info on COL2.4.
>
I will do that , Thank you .
kroms
Patrick Goupell wrote:
If you had your cable modem connected to a different computer/ethernet
> card, then you may have to power off the cable modem for about 30
> seconds. This will cause the cable modem to forget what was plugged in
> to if before.
>
> I had a similar problem and it took a call to my cable modem provider to
> get this bit of info.
> --
> Patrick Goupell
>
> http://www.nite.org
> http://www.noneusa.org
Really ? hmmm, ok i will unplug it and wait , too see if that solves the
issue.
Thanks.
L. Friedman
> "L. Friedman" wrote:
> > If there's no eth0 then you need to check Caldera's
> > hardware compatibility list to determine which module must be loaded to
> > recognize that NIC. Then load that module via COAS -> Kernel.
>
> My NIC is a DLink 530 tx , i has Linux drivers on the Floppy that came with
> the Card but im not sure how to install the drivers from the floppy or how to
> LOAD the module via COAS that yu metion.
Well then perhaps you need to master those skills before trying to
perform more complicated ones. Learn to walk before you can run. Odds
are if your NIC has already been recognized, then you won't be needing
the module(s) on the floppy. However if you do, then you'll need to
mount it, and copy the files over. I already told you how to load the
modules with COAS. If thta doesn't make sense, then you really must sit
down and do some reading about what you're doing. Otherwise i
guarentee you'll be reinstalling the entire OS within a month because
you'll have gotten hacked into, or broken the system yourself or a combo
of the two.
> > Next you should verify via COAS that you have inputed the correct IP
> > address (or setup for DHCP if applicable), gateway address, and DNS
> > info.
>
> Well as far as i can tell , normally in WIN98 its setup as DHCP and im givin
> a IP from my ISP wich is my local cable company.
> Id also like to mention that it says something about TULIP or something to
> do with Tulip, again, im a newbie an i think its going to take time and alot
> of effor and reading to fully understand this all. Too bad Linux in not
> more User Friendly as WIN.( as far as Setup and such.
Linux is very user friendly if you know what you're trying to do. If
you plunge in without a clue of what you're doing, then its as difficult
as anything else. THe tulip reference is to the tulip module which
supports your NIC. The output of 'lsmod' will show you which modules
are currently loaded.
If you know nothing at all, then you owe it to yourself to purchase a
decent box, such as those recommended in the FAQ. No one in this NG can
teach you everything you need to know, and i guarentee you'll become
incredibly frustrated waiting for others to explain the basics to you.
--
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L. Friedman netl...@i.am
The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
Step-by-step help for COL problems:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
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L. Friedman
>
> > I'd also recommend reading the FAQ for this NG (in my sig) for alot more
> > info on COL2.4.
> > L. Friedman bee...@earthling.net> I tried the link above and it didn't work
>
> Chegueverra
Funny how it works for me, and anyone not using M$-IE (hint, hint).
--
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L. Friedman netl...@i.am
The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
Step-by-step help for COL problems:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
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Chegueverra
GfW
is more to life than varying flavors of Linux. I use Caldera 2.4 and it
nice. But I also use Windows and it usually works pretty good too. You sound
as bad as the MS zealots who see nothing in the world other than MS.
> > > http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
> Funny how it works for me, and anyone not using M$-IE (hint, hint).
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> L. Friedman netl...@i.am
>
> The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
> http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
John Hiemenz
> Geeze ... I am using MS-IE and it worked for me. Listen Mr. Friedman there
> is more to life than varying flavors of Linux. I use Caldera 2.4 and it
> nice. But I also use Windows and it usually works pretty good too. You
> sound as bad as the MS zealots who see nothing in the world other than MS.
>
> > > > http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
>
>
> > Funny how it works for me, and anyone not using M$-IE (hint, hint).
> >
> > --
Hear hear. Those links are especially helpful to anyone running MS-IE and
trying to get COL up and running. duh...
Gee.. let me see... I am currently running MS Windows and I _want_ to run
COL, but can't because of a problem installing, so I'll ask a question in
the news group. Oh! Lookit that, someone was so kind to give me a link to
something that might help, but then I have to go download another browser
because the header-redirect in the link doesn't work under MS-IE, the
provider knows it doesn't work in MS-IE, and won't fix it. Tsk..Tsk..
I've told him about it, just as you have, and got a similar response. I've
been primarily disregarding a lot of L Friedman's posts, because even
though a lot of them actually do provide valuable information, most of them
are basically downtalking to others.
Now, that said, I will probablay get blasted by emails and posts telling me
what a dork I am or 'if people would provide more information we could
answer them better', yadda yadda yadda. No kidding. I've been doing
hardware and software support for 14 years and have been through it all,
and even I myself forget to provide enough information at times. you would
think I know better by now.
L. Friedman
place the blame squarely where it belongs, M$??
I did absolutely nothing to cause M$-IE not to parse the URLs or the
websites. This is a bug in M$-IE. This has always been a bug. I've
got far better things to do with my time than design websites that block
out people using specific browsers.
I dont' get paid to troubleshoot the bugs out of M$ software. I'd
rather spend my time learning linux, than fixing windoze. Nothing is
stopping you to waste away your time figuring this one out, and then
submitting it to M$ so that they can ignore you.
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L. Friedman
> GfW wrote:
> > Geeze ... I am using MS-IE and it worked for me. Listen Mr. Friedman there
> > is more to life than varying flavors of Linux. I use Caldera 2.4 and it
> > nice. But I also use Windows and it usually works pretty good too. You
> > sound as bad as the MS zealots who see nothing in the world other than MS.
> >
> > > > > http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
> >
> >
> > > Funny how it works for me, and anyone not using M$-IE (hint, hint).
> > >
> > > --
>
> Hear hear. Those links are especially helpful to anyone running MS-IE and
> trying to get COL up and running. duh...
Here's a news flash. THere are *many* other browsers that work in
windoze besides the monopolistic M$-IE.
> Gee.. let me see... I am currently running MS Windows and I _want_ to run
> COL, but can't because of a problem installing, so I'll ask a question in
> the news group. Oh! Lookit that, someone was so kind to give me a link to
> something that might help, but then I have to go download another browser
> because the header-redirect in the link doesn't work under MS-IE, the
There is no header redirect. There is nothing that would cause this to
any normal standards compliant browser. If you choose to stubbornly
continue using a browser that can't even handle a simple HTML page then
you're sheltered existence is at a loss, not mine.
> provider knows it doesn't work in MS-IE, and won't fix it. Tsk..Tsk..
If you're so smart, please tell me. How would I fix this? Since you
seem to have all the answers, please clue me in so that i'm not as
ignorant as you.
> I've told him about it, just as you have, and got a similar response. I've
> been primarily disregarding a lot of L Friedman's posts, because even
> though a lot of them actually do provide valuable information, most of them
> are basically downtalking to others.
>
> Now, that said, I will probablay get blasted by emails and posts telling me
> what a dork I am or 'if people would provide more information we could
> answer them better', yadda yadda yadda. No kidding. I've been doing
> hardware and software support for 14 years and have been through it all,
> and even I myself forget to provide enough information at times. you would
> think I know better by now.
It never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to post their
resumes as soon as their arguments run thin. I dont' care if you were
on the committee that designed the first IBM PS/2, it doesn't make you
smart, experienced, or better than anyone else.
If you want to waste your time debugging the crud that M$ puts out, have
at it. I dont' even have windoze installed anywhere to troubleshoot
this.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
L. Friedman netl...@i.am
The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
Step-by-step help for COL problems:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
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Hemo
> John Hiemenz wrote:
> > GfW wrote:
> > > Geeze ... I am using MS-IE and it worked for me. Listen Mr. Friedman
> > > there is more to life than varying flavors of Linux. I use Caldera 2.4
> > > and it nice. But I also use Windows and it usually works pretty good
> > > too. You sound as bad as the MS zealots who see nothing in the world
> > > other than MS.
> > >
> > > > > > http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
> > >
> > >
> > > > Funny how it works for me, and anyone not using M$-IE (hint, hint).
> > > >
> > > > --
> >
> > Hear hear. Those links are especially helpful to anyone running MS-IE
> > and trying to get COL up and running. duh...
>
> Here's a news flash. THere are *many* other browsers that work in
> windoze besides the monopolistic M$-IE.
>
No news flash to me. Never once did I say anything about other browsers
not working in windows. Read the next paragraph for my point, that being
'have to download another browser'
> > Gee.. let me see... I am currently running MS Windows and I _want_ to
> > run COL, but can't because of a problem installing, so I'll ask a
> > question in
> > the news group. Oh! Lookit that, someone was so kind to give me a link
> > to something that might help, but then I have to go download another
> > browser because the header-redirect in the link doesn't work under
> > MS-IE, the
>
> There is no header redirect. There is nothing that would cause this to
> any normal standards compliant browser. If you choose to stubbornly
> continue using a browser that can't even handle a simple HTML page then
> you're sheltered existence is at a loss, not mine.
>
My mistake in phrasing. Let's remove header-redirect and just say
'redirect' then.
The server still responds (initially) with a '404 NOT FOUND' message, and
then immediatly after that, sends the actual page. Why? I don't know. I'd
tell you to ask the folks at ipfox.com, but I am guessing you could care
less.
> > provider knows it doesn't work in MS-IE, and won't fix it. Tsk..Tsk..
>
> If you're so smart, please tell me. How would I fix this? Since you
> seem to have all the answers, please clue me in so that i'm not as
> ignorant as you.
>
You got me here. I apologize for making a statement about your abilities
before knowing the limits of your abilities. Re-reading my message, that
phrase could have been taken as a taunt, or a flame. Not intended that
way.
You can't fix it. It's not your fault. The HTML code in your pages is
fine. Probably some funky things happening at your re-direct service and
their virtual domains as they redirect
http://netllama.ipfox.com
to
http://members.linuxstart.com/~netllama
> > I've told him about it, just as you have, and got a similar response.
> > I've been primarily disregarding a lot of L Friedman's posts, because
> > even though a lot of them actually do provide valuable information, most
> > of them are basically down-talking to others.
> >
> > Now, that said, I will probablay get blasted by emails and posts telling
> > me what a dork I am or 'if people would provide more information we
> > could
> > answer them better', yadda yadda yadda. No kidding. I've been doing
> > hardware and software support for 14 years and have been through it all,
> > and even I myself forget to provide enough information at times. you
> > would think I know better by now.
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how people feel the need to post their
> resumes as soon as their arguments run thin. I dont' care if you were
> on the committee that designed the first IBM PS/2, it doesn't make you
> smart, experienced, or better than anyone else.
>
Never gave anyone my resume. I merely made a point that even though I've
been at the supporting end of the telephone line for 14 years, I still make
mistakes. Also never said I was on any committee for anything, or smarter,
or more experienced, or better than anyone else. Read it again.. perhaps
slower this time. I am saying just the opposite.
It never ceases to amaze ME how people feel the need to slings names, call
people ignorant, tell everyone their choice of OS or browser is wrong,
etc., just because of what ever reason they have. 'downtalking', I call it.
And no, don't take this one as a personal jab, it's not meant that way.
Others have done it, including myself. The anoniminity of usenet seems to
give an altered-ego effect at times.
Yes, I am sure it is frustrating to be very involved with linux, and have
endless questions and whines ( yes, I've whined before) about 'It worked on
Windows, but not in LInux', Yes, I do know that Windows may install a
device and it works just by a user clicking a button, but that doesn't make
it right or better, just what the public has been duped in thinking is
'user friendly'. I know it's not user friendly when it also hides what it
is doing to 'avoid confusing the novice' and the techie can't get debugging
info to solve the issue. And just after you've finished answering one
users post about something, three others will come up and ask the same
thing, well.. not exactly the same, one is using 'Windows 98' and the other
is using 'Windows 95', so of couse his question isn't the same as the one
just asked but didn'tt you read the last weeks posts or do a search on the
group, no and why won't you answer my question?
> If you want to waste your time debugging the crud that M$ puts out, have
> at it. I dont' even have windoze installed anywhere to troubleshoot
> this.
>
I support Unix (SCO flavorings) by trade. Forced to support MS because,
get this, but the OS actually ships preinstalled on the majority of systems
being purchased by the unknowing consumer. Seems most of them just try to
use it, and not bother with anything else, and then expect someone to
support them. It's a job. If the guy that shoed horses didn't become an
auto mechanic, he would have been out of a job, no matter how much better
the horse is suited for certain tasks, such as pulling a sleigh over the
river and through the woods...
Now, since I am NOT Al Gore.... I am hereby and furthermore succeeding from
this thread.
P.S. And my apologies to Lonnie for any offense, because even though I
don't agree with everything Lonnie says or how he says it, his support and
assistance in the linux area is appreciated by those he has assisted, and
what he does and did with the FAQ site takes a lot of work, and I do
respect that.
L. Friedman
> L. Friedman wrote:
> > John Hiemenz wrote:
> > > GfW wrote:
> > > Gee.. let me see... I am currently running MS Windows and I _want_ to
> > > run COL, but can't because of a problem installing, so I'll ask a
> > > question in
> > > the news group. Oh! Lookit that, someone was so kind to give me a link
> > > to something that might help, but then I have to go download another
> > > browser because the header-redirect in the link doesn't work under
> > > MS-IE, the
> >
> > There is no header redirect. There is nothing that would cause this to
> > any normal standards compliant browser. If you choose to stubbornly
> > continue using a browser that can't even handle a simple HTML page then
> > you're sheltered existence is at a loss, not mine.
> >
>
> My mistake in phrasing. Let's remove header-redirect and just say
> 'redirect' then.
>
> The server still responds (initially) with a '404 NOT FOUND' message, and
> then immediatly after that, sends the actual page. Why? I don't know. I'd
> tell you to ask the folks at ipfox.com, but I am guessing you could care
> less.
I do care, but I really doubt that they're going to change the way that
they run their *free* service for me. The fact of the matter is that I
dont' have a box with windoze anymore. I don't even have the resources
to try & figure this out, and I don't see why i need to. Anyone
interested in using linux is going to have to ditch M$-IE anyway, so
they might as well start now.
> It never ceases to amaze ME how people feel the need to slings names, call
> people ignorant, tell everyone their choice of OS or browser is wrong,
> etc., just because of what ever reason they have. 'downtalking', I call
I never said that anyone's choice of browser was wrong. Linux is about
freedom of choice, and along those same lines, everyone has many choices
for browsers. If one isn't working the way you want it to, go with
something else. In linux, you don't have to download another, since you
get either kfm or Konquorer by default with KDE, plus lynx for console
browsing. All of them seem to parse my URLs without a hitch. M$-IE is
the odd man out here, being that it is the *only* documented browser
incapable of handling it. I'm not about to start bending over backwards
to deal with some stupid bug that M$ couldn't smooth out. I could
understand the frustration if only Netscape worked, and everything else
bombed, but that's not the case.
> > If you want to waste your time debugging the crud that M$ puts out, have
> > at it. I dont' even have windoze installed anywhere to troubleshoot
> > this.
> >
>
> I support Unix (SCO flavorings) by trade. Forced to support MS because,
> get this, but the OS actually ships preinstalled on the majority of systems
> being purchased by the unknowing consumer. Seems most of them just try to
> use it, and not bother with anything else, and then expect someone to
> support them. It's a job. If the guy that shoed horses didn't become an
> auto mechanic, he would have been out of a job, no matter how much better
> the horse is suited for certain tasks, such as pulling a sleigh over the
> river and through the woods...
I disagree. I support Linux by trade (it pays my bills, and I find it
quite enjoyable to boot), and don't interact with anything M$ at all.
Its a very liberating environment, and I consider myself to be quite
lucky to have such an influential employer in the linux world.
> P.S. And my apologies to Lonnie for any offense, because even though I
> don't agree with everything Lonnie says or how he says it, his support and
> assistance in the linux area is appreciated by those he has assisted, and
> what he does and did with the FAQ site takes a lot of work, and I do
> respect that.
I apologize for my outburst, i stepped over the line, and shouldn't
have. I've just grown tired of the complaints that "your links don't
work". If people want to use linux then they need to get out of the
mindset that everything must work in windoze, yet they are then pissed
because something won't work in linux. Software is screwy. At least in
linux you can fix the problems, should you desire.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
L. Friedman netl...@i.am
The alt.os.linux.caldera FAQ:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/COL_FAQ.html
Step-by-step help for COL problems:
http://netllama.ipfox.com/stepbystep.htm
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