linux questioned
B
Check this www.spatula.net/proc/linux/index.src
Out of curiosity, I have installed two linux distributions, in the past :
red-hat and mandrake. I spent some time discovering what that linux hype was
all about, what the GUI was like, what "cool" options KDE (or any other
desktop manager) had to offer, the general look-and-feel of those so-called
better alternatives to windows.
Well, getting past the thrills of installation, my experience went down to
disappointment and frustration. Things so trivial as changing the screen
resolution seemed deeply obscure, and the help system downright cryptic.
Plus I got a strange feeling that beyond those windows-like
bells-and-whistles, the linux OS uncovers its real nature and betrays its
unixish origins : an unfriendly piece of software with obscure rules and a
complex architecture, with little or no general consistency (like a
patchwork). Linux is aimed at the geek, the "leet"-wannabe, all those people
who are so childishly narrow-minded and intolerant that they can't stand the
name of microsoft, and they can't admit windows is doing a great job as a
family desktop OS.
So I switched back to windows. Everything is so smooth, under windows. No
need to be a technical expert or an IT engineer to get the system work the
way you want.
Unlike *nix fanatics, I don't mean to boast about any sort of
computer-related knowledge. Let it only be said that I'd not define myself
as a lambda user. I know DOS 6.22, batch coding, and I know my way into the
registry. I've also installed FreeBSD on another hard-drive, so as to get a
taste of what was aside from the microsoft world.
Well from all that experience, I can tell you I love Windows.
Recently I was in need of a good word processor, for professional use. I
decided to make my own review of what was available, and downloaded the
following products:
602PCsuite, abi-word, easy-office, and, inevitably, open-office.
I found them to suffer from either a crippled interface, a plague of bugs
(especially abi-word), or an unprofessional look (some apps are apparently
configured for use in a 1024*768 screen resolution...). Plus I noticed some
of them don't uninstall properly (602 PC suite leaves unwanted
file-associations in the registry).
So I bought MS-Word. Yes, that's right, unlike most of those who trash
windows, I took the trouble of *buying* Word. None of my MS software is a
pirated copy. If you guys hate microsoft so much then ditch windows, office,
IE, etc... and go away! It's not as if anybody wanted to force you to use
something against your will.
As to security, I don't understand all that fuss around MS products. As an
avid web-user, I (think that I) have taken the appropriate steps to ensure
my system is secured enough, and I have never had any sort of trouble in
years. Have all those people kvetching about windows security really taken
the trouble of reviewing the tools and options available before laying the
blame on microsoft? A restrictive configuration of the internet zone in IE
(disable anything that is not marked as "safe", set other options to
"prompt"), the association of Outlook with the restricted-sites zone, the
acquisition of a firewall, an antivirus and an antispyware sound good to me.
Keep your system up-to-date, and, since the SMT protocol allows anybody to
impersonate an innocent e-mail user, never trust e-mail attachments, even if
they appear to come from a friend of yours.
The bottom line : that hate campaign against microsoft makes me sick.
Keep thinking you are intellectually superior and that "windoze lusers" are
pathetic wimps that need to get a life, it makes your "culture" sound
immature and unwelcoming.
As to me, I will definitely not waste a cent on any linux/unix/sun related
software... and you know money is the name of the game.
Unruh
so important and your arguments so powerful that everyone had to hear them.
Just so you know, they are not.
"B" <b...@h.net> writes:
>Do you know why linux is definitely not the best OS?
>Check this www.spatula.net/proc/linux/index.src
>Out of curiosity, I have installed two linux distributions, in the past :
>red-hat and mandrake. I spent some time discovering what that linux hype was
>all about, what the GUI was like, what "cool" options KDE (or any other
>desktop manager) had to offer, the general look-and-feel of those so-called
>better alternatives to windows.
>Well, getting past the thrills of installation, my experience went down to
>disappointment and frustration. Things so trivial as changing the screen
>resolution seemed deeply obscure, and the help system downright cryptic.
man is obscure? Hmm.
>Plus I got a strange feeling that beyond those windows-like
>bells-and-whistles, the linux OS uncovers its real nature and betrays its
>unixish origins : an unfriendly piece of software with obscure rules and a
>complex architecture, with little or no general consistency (like a
>patchwork). Linux is aimed at the geek, the "leet"-wannabe, all those people
Just like all OS. Windows betrays its Dos origins.
>who are so childishly narrow-minded and intolerant that they can't stand the
>name of microsoft, and they can't admit windows is doing a great job as a
>family desktop OS.
Yes, I am sure that must be the reason.
>So I switched back to windows. Everything is so smooth, under windows. No
>need to be a technical expert or an IT engineer to get the system work the
>way you want.
Good. Glad you like it. Why are we interested in knowing that?
Cougar
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High First time to the group.
I myself to the post as an opinion for what he likes and dislikes about the
both servers.
For me I like linux because of its stability and configure and leave then
run ability. What I dont like about linux is the gui. Probly more so
because I have linux running on its beloved old hardware. Might be another
story if I was to upgrade to the top notch hdwr like the winders box.
I like winders for my everyday use and quick installation process.
I look at it like this.
If you install quick you get instability and problems in the future.
<winders>
If you take the time to config and learn the whole server configs you get a
server that runs for 280 days plus.
ANy whoo. good post either way.
Cougar
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Mothra
> Well, getting past the thrills of installation, my experience went down to
> disappointment and frustration. Things so trivial as changing the screen
> resolution seemed deeply obscure, and the help system downright cryptic.
> Plus I got a strange feeling that beyond those windows-like
> bells-and-whistles, the linux OS uncovers its real nature and betrays its
> unixish origins : an unfriendly piece of software with obscure rules and a
> complex architecture, with little or no general consistency (like a
> patchwork). Linux is aimed at the geek, the "leet"-wannabe, all those people
> who are so childishly narrow-minded and intolerant that they can't stand the
> name of microsoft, and they can't admit windows is doing a great job as a
> family desktop OS.
So, because you can't be bothered to take the time to learn the ins and
outs of a new operating system, it's unfriendly?
I think _you're_ unfriendly. ;)
Linux is _very_ consistent, it's just not as "Fisher-Price" as you're
used to. If that's what you're looking for in a 'family desktop OS',
then fine, but don't pass judgement on something you obviously don't
understand...
--Mothra
Fred
I have toyed with linux in the past and haven't found anything buggy with it
at all.
Admitted, installing programs back then was not as easy as installing
programs on windows but I'm sure that has been improved by now. The only
thing that has kept me from changing to linux completely is the lack of
certain programs for it. I do feel now, however that it is time to change.
The odd app I need that only runs under windows will surely run under Wine.
PC's are fast enough these days to allow for that without having to wait for
hours.
Mandrake 7.2 was every bit as user-friendly as MacOS 7.5/8, just as stable
and quite a bit more stable than win98/ME/2k. I can only imagine that by now
linux is just as good a desktop environment (or maybe even better) as every
windows windows version you can name.
So, my dear MS employee, get a life. Windows is every bit as buggy as it has
been since the beginning.
And don't say it isn't. If it wasn't then why would all those security
updates and patches be needed?
"B" <b...@h.net> wrote in message news:d4mc7...@enews4.newsguy.com...
Cougar
windows is for fast and home desktops for the fam.
winders <Cougar> Windows2003 [uptime] 1day 16hrs 14mins 27secs [record
uptime] 2wks 1day 37mins 21secs on Jun 02 2005
Linux Coolio] Uptime: 11:03pm up 102 days, 5:15, 1 user, load average: 2.05,
1.47, 0.90
Think with that said. buggy and not buggy "_"
take care all.
Feel Free to stop by.
--
Cougar
www.northwest-solutions.com
kernel-panic
decade and personaly I feel installing linux mandrake 9.2 far easier than
juggling all those driver discs and restarts in xp from scratch.
It recognised and installed my lan, graphics, sound and, well basicaly
everything all by itself during the install. No driver discs needed.
Having said that, installing extra software can be more difficult than
windows (but getting better all the time with the advent of rpm's).
All the installed software that came with mandrake is 1000 times better
than the basic stuff I got with windows.
Mandrake is more stable than windows in general, in my experience that is a
concrete fact ;)
I'm fast coming to realise that with my linux box I can download software
to do anything I could ever imagine a pc could ever do and its all for free
! What is there to dislike :)
Now we just need some one with Bill Gates money to package and market a
freindly Linux to the extent windows has been..
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daryle
> As to me, I will definitely not waste a cent on any Linux/unix/sun
> related software... and you know money is the name of the game.
B. Thanks for your opinion. Without your timely intervention, I never
would have figured out that I was wasting my time with Linux. ;P
Seriously though. I don't consider myself to have any computer knowledge
over and above the average person. I have never programmed anything in my
life (unless you consider playing around with basic on the Atari 800 as a
kid to be programming) I do admit that there is a learning curve with
learning Linux... or any other thing that is new to you... Linux is not
Windows, and is not supposed to be. I find that it does everything that I
want it to do. Generally it does it for me better than Windows does. My
wife sits beside me at her computer and runs MS Windows. I don't see
where my system is any harder to use than hers.
I have tried many distros, and have settled on Ubuntu which seems
particularly easy. I believe that any windows user could dig into it
very quickly. MEPIS is easy also. There are bugs with any software. I
assume you have seen the list of known problems with Windows...?
Just for your information... I have "ditched" Microsoft quite a while ago.
I still use it at work, because I have no control over what they use
thee. I have never used a pirated copy of Windows, and certainly don't
need one now.
I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by posting in a linux
forum about how great MS products are. I doubt highly that you will win
many converts. If MS products do it for you, then for you I am very
happy. For me, Linux is the way to go.
I am glad to see that you were interested in Linux. Sorry it isn't for
you. I hope you find an OS that makes you happy.
Best regards
Daryle
Cougar
Nice little post there daryle.
My latest install on the linux server was the Jabber server. Pretty cool I
think. And Now has ssl implamented.
Take care guys!!
--
Cougar
www.northwest-solutions.com
Me!
have configured a dhcp/web/ftp server, used ssh, network printing and
samba/nfs.
Many of my frineds are like "wheres word, or MSN or IE" and are like "how
do i get into windows" or "why wont my windows programs work" but there is a
large group of us students who can handle linux and embrace it with open
arms.
Its not perfect but its much more stable and customisable than windows ven
if it suffers from driver issues, and complexity.
Clockmeister
"Mothra" <m0t...@digitalrightsmolestation.org> wrote in message
news:JKnue.72042$HI.4167@edtnps84...
>B wrote:
>> Well, getting past the thrills of installation, my experience went down
>> to
>> disappointment and frustration. Things so trivial as changing the screen
>> resolution seemed deeply obscure, and the help system downright cryptic.
>> Plus I got a strange feeling that beyond those windows-like
>> bells-and-whistles, the linux OS uncovers its real nature and betrays its
>> unixish origins : an unfriendly piece of software with obscure rules and
>> a
>> complex architecture, with little or no general consistency (like a
>> patchwork). Linux is aimed at the geek, the "leet"-wannabe, all those
>> people
>> who are so childishly narrow-minded and intolerant that they can't stand
>> the
>> name of microsoft, and they can't admit windows is doing a great job as a
>> family desktop OS.
>
> So, because you can't be bothered to take the time to learn the ins and
> outs of a new operating system, it's unfriendly?
>
Yes, it should be intuitive.
Linux is everything but...
Sterling Dragon
> Do you know why linux is definitely not the best OS? Check this
> www.spatula.net/proc/linux/index.src
>
> Out of curiosity, I have installed two linux distributions, in the past
> : red-hat and mandrake. I spent some time discovering what that linux
> hype was all about, what the GUI was like, what "cool" options KDE (or
> any other desktop manager) had to offer, the general look-and-feel of
> those so-called better alternatives to windows.
Moron. Linux, installed without prior investigation, is as foolish as any
other important choice made in such a manner. If you only installed it
out of curiosity, you probably didn't take the time to investigate the
*how* or the *why*, did you (If you can actually be honest about it)?
>
> Well, getting past the thrills of installation, my experience went down
> to disappointment and frustration. Things so trivial as changing the
> screen resolution seemed deeply obscure, and the help system downright
> cryptic. Plus I got a strange feeling that beyond those windows-like
> bells-and-whistles, the linux OS uncovers its real nature and betrays
> its unixish origins : an unfriendly piece of software with obscure rules
> and a complex architecture, with little or no general consistency (like
> a patchwork). Linux is aimed at the geek, the "leet"-wannabe, all those
> people who are so childishly narrow-minded and intolerant that they
> can't stand the name of microsoft, and they can't admit windows is doing
> a great job as a family desktop OS.
Moron. If the necessity for a right mouse button click seems deeply
obscure to you, you probably shouldn't be using a computer, at all. All
software is unfriendly to the individual that wants everything done, for
them, *auto-magically*. I support Windows and proprietary software, at
work. I have recently switched to Linux, at home (PCLinuxOS, Mint,
Ubuntu, and OpenSUSE). Though I am slowly learning the differences in
distributions, and the ins and outs of networking, administration, and
cross-platform interoperability (I'm sorry if these words are too
polysyllabic, for you), I have found that Linux has made tremendous
strides in making EVERYTHING easier. The entire aim of a computer is to
make our lives easier, and accomplish tasks more quickly. Microsoft's
infamous BSoD is notorious for being a barrier to this goal.
>
> So I switched back to windows. Everything is so smooth, under windows.
> No need to be a technical expert or an IT engineer to get the system
> work the way you want.
Moron. You really think Windows is "working the way you want...?" It's
working the way Microsoft wants. What you want is a non sequitir.
>
> Unlike *nix fanatics, I don't mean to boast about any sort of
> computer-related knowledge. Let it only be said that I'd not define
> myself as a lambda user. I know DOS 6.22, batch coding, and I know my
> way into the registry. I've also installed FreeBSD on another
> hard-drive, so as to get a taste of what was aside from the microsoft
> world.
Moron. "Batch coding?" Do you mean writing a batch file, or *coding* in
batches? You know your way into the registry, but what do you do once
you're in there?
>
> Well from all that experience, I can tell you I love Windows.
You are not a bad person, or have less value because you love Windows.
You are, however, a fool for trying to compare Windows to Linux. They are
different products, and are of different types of people. Windows is for
people that want everything done for them. It's as simple as that. And
what, precisely, is "...all that experience?" Two distros installed? Did
you ever even bother to open a terminal window?
>
> Recently I was in need of a good word processor, for professional use. I
> decided to make my own review of what was available, and downloaded the
> following products:
> 602PCsuite, abi-word, easy-office, and, inevitably, open-office.
>
> I found them to suffer from either a crippled interface, a plague of
> bugs (especially abi-word), or an unprofessional look (some apps are
> apparently configured for use in a 1024*768 screen resolution...). Plus
> I noticed some of them don't uninstall properly (602 PC suite leaves
> unwanted file-associations in the registry).
Moron. What is a "crippled interface?" One that does not intuitively
know what you want to accomplish, and do it, for you? How do you define
"unprofessional look?" Are you even remotely aware of the fact that
almost ALL Windows software, irrespective of its publisher, leaves behind
traces of itself, in Windows? This is not an open-source thing, it's a
Windows thing.
>
> So I bought MS-Word. Yes, that's right, unlike most of those who trash
> windows, I took the trouble of *buying* Word. None of my MS software is
> a pirated copy. If you guys hate microsoft so much then ditch windows,
> office, IE, etc... and go away! It's not as if anybody wanted to force
> you to use something against your will.
Moron. In case you hadn't bothered to notice, this forum is for those who
HAVE ditched Windows. Why are you telling us to "go away?" This is our
forum. YOU are the outsider, here. YOU are the trespasser. YOU go
away. Who would want to pirate IE, anyway? Do you like bloated code? Do
you like security vulnerabilities? Do you like having your privacy
disregarded, as Microsoft is prone to doing?
>
> As to security, I don't understand all that fuss around MS products. As
> an avid web-user, I (think that I) have taken the appropriate steps to
> ensure my system is secured enough, and I have never had any sort of
> trouble in years. Have all those people kvetching about windows security
> really taken the trouble of reviewing the tools and options available
> before laying the blame on microsoft? A restrictive configuration of the
> internet zone in IE (disable anything that is not marked as "safe", set
> other options to "prompt"), the association of Outlook with the
> restricted-sites zone, the acquisition of a firewall, an antivirus and
> an antispyware sound good to me. Keep your system up-to-date, and, since
> the SMT protocol allows anybody to impersonate an innocent e-mail user,
> never trust e-mail attachments, even if they appear to come from a
> friend of yours.
Moron. Nearly all of the "appropriate steps" you *think* you have taken
are virtually unnecessary, under Linux. The blame is laid on Microsoft,
because they release code, prior to adequate testing. Furthermore, the
tools you have to purchase are inherently written into linux
applications. Software firewalls are virtually pointless. Software is
far easier to circumvent that hardware, so all you pontificating with
respect to what you have to do does not make us "realize" anything. It
makes us laugh, because we don't have to take all the trouble you take,
nor do we have to shell out MORE MONEY for it. Since Linux won't even run
the vast majority of malware out there, we don't worry about internet
*safety* nearly to the degree that Microsoft users HAVE to.
>
> The bottom line : that hate campaign against microsoft makes me sick.
> Keep thinking you are intellectually superior and that "windoze lusers"
> are pathetic wimps that need to get a life, it makes your "culture"
> sound immature and unwelcoming.
> As to me, I will definitely not waste a cent on any linux/unix/sun
> related software... and you know money is the name of the game.
Moron. It's not a campaign *against Microsoft*. It's an effort to break
his tyrannical grip on the entire computing industry. He's (Bill Gates) a
greedy control freak. I'm glad it sounds unwelcoming to you. Quite
frankly, I fear the society or "culture" that would welcome your lack of
rational thought. No one that uses linux/unix/sun ever wastes their
money. Few are the applications that require money, and those that are
sold for money are usually enterprise magnitude applications, whose use is
applied to ventures far greater than your little brain could ever
conceive. Windows, in my opinion, is not for idiots. It's for people who
want to use a computer, but don't want to have to know anything about it.
Much like the wife of a business tycoon who drives a BMW, but has no clue
how to change the oil, breaks, any fluids, etc. Or even if she does know
how, takes it to a mechanic, for fear of chipping a nail, staining her
Gucci blouse, or simply doesn't want to bother. She just wants her car to
run. You just want your computer to run. We got that. You don't want to
have to put forth effort. We got that. You're afraid of uncharted
territory. We got that. You like auto-configured everything. We got
that. You're lazy and inept. We got that.
My only question is why you felt the need to walk into OUR forum to
announce your great pride in your ineptitude? Why did you feel that any
of us care that you are among the majority of computer users with respect
to the lack of motivation to learn new things? Did you really think that
any life your pathetic little post reached was so heavily impacted that
they would run out and spend $200.00 on an operating system that has a
free equal counterpart, capable of exactly the same functions? I mean
REALLY... did you think we feel lessened by your apparent need to boast
about your own lack of ambition?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Moron.