Booting R5 off USB-Stick
Andreas Kohlbach
I got the R5 thingy for Linux and put it into /beos
-rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 1474560 2000-06-06 15:14 floppy.img
-rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 524288000 2000-06-07 14:53 image.be
-rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 7406 2000-04-26 20:57 license
-rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 538 2000-03-27 14:55 readme
As I have no floppy drive anymore I dd'ed the floppy.img on an USB
stick. I am able to boot from it and it shows the typical BeOS
screen. But then fails to load BeOS itself and comes with a menu. I can
tell it to rescan for boot images and the stick as well as the hard disk
LED flash for a moment, but no luck booting.
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> I did this twice before and succeeded. But then with a floppy.
You might want to visit the BeOS Max page...
http://www.beosmax.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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Andreas Kohlbach
>
> On 2009-08-16 20:34:21 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach <a...@spamfence.net> said:
>
>> I did this twice before and succeeded. But then with a floppy.
>
> You might want to visit the BeOS Max page...
>
> http://www.beosmax.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Thanks. But a search for "USB" resulted in no match.
Btw. I saw you might also be able to boot it from the Linux Grub
loader. But is it correct that not applies for the R5 image?
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> I did this twice before and succeeded. But then with a floppy.
>
> I got the R5 thingy for Linux and put it into /beos
>
Not sure what you're talking about.
> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 1474560 2000-06-06 15:14 floppy.img
> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 524288000 2000-06-07 14:53 image.be
> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 7406 2000-04-26 20:57 license
> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 538 2000-03-27 14:55 readme
>
> As I have no floppy drive anymore I dd'ed the floppy.img on an USB
> stick. I am able to boot from it and it shows the typical BeOS
> screen. But then fails to load BeOS itself and comes with a menu. I can
> tell it to rescan for boot images and the stick as well as the hard disk
> LED flash for a moment, but no luck booting.
The USB stack in BeOS is pretty crippled. I managed to get usb devices working
with the patches posted to BeBits. But there seems to be a limit to how fast
data will transfer before it times out with an error. Files under 1 Mb seem to
be ok.
It might be the pointers in (looking at my BeOS)hmmm...in /boot/beos/system/boot
theres some text files...looking at 'Bootscript' I assume the pointers in there
direct the system to search for data on devices like a hdd, not a usb stick.
Just guessing at this but that my best guess.
Heres an interesting entry from 'Bootscript' that might be tweakable to point
to a usb key instead of a cd-rom:
#
# check if we are running from a cd, run another script if so
#
iw=`/bin/isvolume -readonly /boot`
if [ "$iw"x = "yes"x ]
then
launchscript $SCRIPTS/Bootscript.cd
exit # in case it returns...
fi
SERVERS=beos/system/servers
(just guessing since I cant code at all!)
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Andreas Kohlbach
>
> In message <871vnbc...@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> I did this twice before and succeeded. But then with a floppy.
>>
>> I got the R5 thingy for Linux and put it into /beos
>>
> Can you post a link to the website or program?
> Not sure what you're talking about.
http://www.bebits.com/app/2680
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 1474560 2000-06-06 15:14 floppy.img
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 524288000 2000-06-07 14:53 image.be
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 7406 2000-04-26 20:57 license
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 538 2000-03-27 14:55 readme
>>
>> As I have no floppy drive anymore I dd'ed the floppy.img on an USB
>> stick. I am able to boot from it and it shows the typical BeOS
>> screen. But then fails to load BeOS itself and comes with a menu. I can
>> tell it to rescan for boot images and the stick as well as the hard disk
>> LED flash for a moment, but no luck booting.
>
> The USB stack in BeOS is pretty crippled. I managed to get usb devices
>working with the patches posted to BeBits.
I assume no USB is needed. I just (ab)use an USB stick to boot BeOS. The
other methods I know would be floppy boot or using a BeOS boot loader.
So it boots from USB (under BIOS control first) fine and the BeOS boot
splash shows up. At some point it should scan the hard disk for boot able
BeOS media. It seems it does but fails to find them in /beos (a
directory on my hard disk).
May be it's that my system is SATA and the BeOS is from December 2001 and
doesn't know of that?
Thank you.
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> ���hw��f wrote on 21. August 2009:
> >
> > In message <871vnbc...@usenet.ankman.de>, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> >> I did this twice before and succeeded. But then with a floppy.
> >>
> >> I got the R5 thingy for Linux and put it into /beos
> >>
> > Can you post a link to the website or program?
> > Not sure what you're talking about.
>
> http://www.bebits.com/app/2680
>
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 1474560 2000-06-06 15:14 floppy.img
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 524288000 2000-06-07 14:53 image.be
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 7406 2000-04-26 20:57 license
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 500 users 538 2000-03-27 14:55 readme
> >>
> >> As I have no floppy drive anymore I dd'ed the floppy.img on an USB
> >> stick. I am able to boot from it and it shows the typical BeOS
> >> screen. But then fails to load BeOS itself and comes with a menu. I can
> >> tell it to rescan for boot images and the stick as well as the hard disk
> >> LED flash for a moment, but no luck booting.
> >
> > The USB stack in BeOS is pretty crippled. I managed to get usb devices
> >working with the patches posted to BeBits.
>
> I assume no USB is needed. I just (ab)use an USB stick to boot BeOS. The
> other methods I know would be floppy boot or using a BeOS boot loader.
>
> So it boots from USB (under BIOS control first) fine and the BeOS boot
> splash shows up. At some point it should scan the hard disk for boot able
> BeOS media. It seems it does but fails to find them in /beos (a
> directory on my hard disk).
>
Now I have to try this with my moms netbook!
:)
I'll use a MAX edition and load the files on a usb key.
Since the MAX edition can be a live cd.
Need to look at bootscript.cd I guess.
> May be it's that my system is SATA and the BeOS is from December 2001 and
> doesn't know of that?
>
Maybe...
<shrugs>
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Malthus
I'm curious, Andreas. Why are you bothering with this?
I would have thought anyone interested in Beos has heard of Haiku
(www.haiku-os.org). No?
Haiku does boot off USB, (I myself routinely carry around a bootable
Haiku stick on my keyring already) but as I understand it there are
fundamental and unchangeable reasons why Beos cannot. I can't explain
them myself but I've seen them explained somewhere in the Haiku
discussions, if you dig around deeply enough.
If you already knew all this but want to keep trying R5 just for the
challenge, then I wish you luck, but I cannot help! :-)
Capsaicino
> > doesn't know of that?
>
> Maybe...
Well, BeOS has no SATA support. Mabe ZETA has. And other than that:
the file system type. As far as I remember BeOS Personal Edition for
Linux requires files placed on an ext2 file system. If you have ext3,
reiserfs or another newer file system, boot will not work.
Good luck.
Andreas Kohlbach
>
> I'm curious, Andreas. Why are you bothering with this?
> I would have thought anyone interested in Beos has heard of Haiku
> (www.haiku-os.org). No?
>
> Haiku does boot off USB, (I myself routinely carry around a bootable
> Haiku stick on my keyring already) but as I understand it there are
> fundamental and unchangeable reasons why Beos cannot. I can't explain
> them myself but I've seen them explained somewhere in the Haiku
> discussions, if you dig around deeply enough.
>
> If you already knew all this but want to keep trying R5 just for the
> challenge, then I wish you luck, but I cannot help! :-)
Nah. It's just I didn't know, I didn't inform myself. I was using R5
before so I thought I give it another try no doing any research what's up
to date today.
Thanks, I will check Haiku instead the next time. :-)
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Andreas Kohlbach
That (I have ext3) could be the reason. Thanks.
Anyway I will remove this and try Haiku some other time then. I read a
little and it sounds interesting.
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Malthus
> Malthus wrote on 24. August 2009:
>>
>> I'm curious, Andreas. Why are you bothering with this?
>> I would have thought anyone interested in Beos has heard of Haiku
>> (www.haiku-os.org). No?
>>
>> Haiku does boot off USB, (I myself routinely carry around a bootable
>> Haiku stick on my keyring already) but as I understand it there are
>> fundamental and unchangeable reasons why Beos cannot. I can't
> explain
>> them myself but I've seen them explained somewhere in the Haiku
>> discussions, if you dig around deeply enough.
>>
>> If you already knew all this but want to keep trying R5 just for the
>> challenge, then I wish you luck, but I cannot help! :-)
>
> Nah. It's just I didn't know, I didn't inform myself. I was using R5
> before so I thought I give it another try no doing any research what's
> up
> to date today.
>
> Thanks, I will check Haiku instead the next time. :-)
Haiku has taken rather a long time but they expect to make their first
Alpha release next month. But for some time now testing images have been
available for download that can be run in emulators, bootable USB, or
loaded onto harddrive partitions. Give it a go. It already runs on more
modern hardware than BeOS ever will. I like BeOS so much it is still my
preferred OS at home (posting from BeOS now) so I'll be migrating my
main machine to Haiku sooner rather than later.
Andreas Kohlbach
I have Virtualbox for Linux installed. May be Haiku would run with it. I
wait for the alpha and find out. :-)
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