FW: God or satan
Christopher Heimarck
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From: Christopher Heimarck [mailto:chei...@cableone.net]
Sent: 05 December 2003 00:32
To: alt-occult-kabb...@moderators.isc.org
Subject: Re: God or satan
Regarding God or Satan:
Theoretically, if one were to make a pact with Satan then become a
Christian, I believe what the Lutherans say is true: If you only have faith
in Jesus, then Jesus will save you and bring you to heaven. All it takes is
faith, not good works.
I also believe in universal salvation. Everyone will eventually go to
heaven, even the worst sinner.
Having said that, I believe heaven may be an in-between lives place, that
you take comfort in, before being reincarnated in another life.
We all have a different learning curve, and life is here to learn spiritual
lessons.
"NOISEY" <no...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message
news:8iawb.591528$be.8...@news.easynews.com...
Hi,
If you made a pact with the devil and then you became a Christian, who
does your Soul belong to now, God or satan?
Thanks in advance,
Nz
Paul Hume
>
> Theoretically, if one were to make a pact with Satan then become a
> Christian, I believe what the Lutherans say is true: If you only have faith
> in Jesus, then Jesus will save you and bring you to heaven. All it takes is
> faith, not good works.
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> "NOISEY" <no...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message
> news:8iawb.591528$be.8...@news.easynews.com...
> Hi,
>
> If you made a pact with the devil and then you became a Christian, who
> does your Soul belong to now, God or satan?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
It's been a long while since I last read A.E. Waite's book, released
in vafrious editions as "Ceremonial Magic" or "The Book of Black Magic
and Pacts" but I believe he cites several formulae where the magician,
having made a pact, was supposed to be able to scamp it by an appeal
to Divine Mercy.
I'd agree with you that a sincere conversion, or repentance if one has
already undergone the formula of baptism, would be closer to the mark.
(Note that the Catholic rite of baptism includes the formal catechism
to the subject, or his godparents in the case of an infant: "Do you
renounce Satan? And all his works? And all his pomps?" Followed by a
short rehearsal of the a prayer similar to the rite of exorcism (I
exorcise thee, all unholy spirits, etc...).
The magician can, as illustrated in both the Lesser and Greater Keys
of Solomon and even more so in the evocations of the demonic powers
after the climactic experience in The Sacred Magic of Abramelin,
command these spirits as of right, not huckstering for their services
as in the pact-driven grimoires.
One might point to two examples in classical literature of the
barriers which psychologically, and spiritually, present themselves to
true repentance at the last minute. Both seem to show the issue as a
compound of the sins of Pride and Despair: one in the final scene of
Dr. Faustus, the other in the fall of the NICE in That Hideous
Strength.
(Neither Marlowe nor Lewis would buy the thing about commanding as of
right, it seems to me)
Paul