Aldo Ray???
Zachariah Love
loki wrote:
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> Is Aldo Ray still alive, and if not, when did he leave the building?
>
> Loki
Aldo has been having his Cella chilled since 1991.
Zachariah Love, Commissioner
The Craig Kilborn Memorial Rotisserie League
and The Lee Atwater Invitational Dead Pool
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loki
djbrowning
loki wrote:
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> Is Aldo Ray still alive, and if not, when did he leave the building?
>
> Loki
Joakim Madsen
He's dead, Don't remember exactly when he passed away...About 4 years
ago.
/Joakim.
Abe
loki <lo...@midtown.net> wrote in article
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> Is Aldo Ray still alive, and if not, when did he leave the building?
>
> Loki
a couple years ago i saw an item on him on tv.
he had gone back to his home town (can't remember where, unfortunately)
when he retired and was active in a number of community projects. i
think* he was divorced and living alone in a small apartment. he didn't
have much money left but he seemed to be happy, or at least content, or
maybe resigned. it was kinda' sad. he did have so much talent.
Jim Beaver
will...@access5.digex.net (William Davenant) wrote:
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>Nope. It was a factoid I read ... they didn't give any details.
>So I could just have been exptrapolating ... they could have been
>hetero films. He definitely was gay, tho. If I had to guess, I'd have
>never picked him as queer. Never have cared for him. Actually,
>that may be because he was a good actor. As I recall he used to
>play jerks or psychos in movies a lot which created a bad impression
>on my young and impressionable mind.
>
His wife and kids are friends of my wife. I wonder what they'd think of
the story you're spreading while admitting you don't have a source for
your "knowledge." You may be right, but the world's got enough bullshit
rumor floating around in it, screwing up people's lives and reputations
without deliberately adding to it. Of course, some people like to pull
the wings off flies, too.
JB
William Davenant
Jim Beaver <BAJ...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>will...@access5.digex.net (William Davenant) wrote:
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>>Nope. It was a factoid I read ... they didn't give any details.
>>So I could just have been exptrapolating ... they could have been
>>hetero films. He definitely was gay, tho.
>
>the story you're spreading while admitting you don't have a source for
>your "knowledge." You may be right, but the world's got enough bullshit
>rumor floating around in it, screwing up people's lives and reputations
>without deliberately adding to it. Of course, some people like to pull
>the wings off flies, too.
Really?! Regardless, you'll see the sources and quotes posted here
this evening (ET) You're free to believe them or not.
I'd point out now, however, that many actors and actresses were/are
in the celluloid closet. One notable example of recent memory was
Rock Hudson of whom there were persistent rumors regarding his
sexual preferences for years and which he never avowed to my knowledge.
He was also married, albeit briefly. As a perhaps humorous sidenote,
I will point out that a while ago when I was a lad, someone told me
Rock Hudson was a homosexual. And I didn't believe it.
Anyway, the "phenomenon" you seem to find so abhorent is not one
of recent invention. E.g., Alexander the Great, Frederick the Great,
Julius Caesar, Tchaikovsky, James Dean and scores of others have
been the victims of such character assassination and by "reputable"
historians ... whether the allegations are true or not is in many
cases an open question ....
wd
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William Davenant
Jim Beaver <BAJ...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>will...@access5.digex.net (William Davenant) wrote:
>>
>>Nope. It was a factoid I read ... they didn't give any details.
>>So I could just have been exptrapolating ... they could have been
>>hetero films. He definitely was gay, tho.
>
>His wife and kids are friends of my wife. I wonder what they'd think of
>the story you're spreading while admitting you don't have a source for
>your "knowledge."
I just happened to walk into the living room and Dad's watching
"The Naked and the Dead" on the tv. What a coincidence! Anyway,
it reminded me that my honour had been called into question so
here goes, fasten your seat belts!
When I was visiting recently a dear friend in Madison, she gave me a copy
of "The Gay Book of Lists" by one Leigh Rutledge published way back
in August 89 by Alyson (a gay/lesbian specialty publisher.) Probably
got it at Avol's.
Anyway, on page 81 I see
Aldo Ray ... After making a name for himself as a character actor
in such films as _Miss Sadie Thompson_ and _God's Little Acre,"
his Hollywood career started to slide in the early 1960s. He
then jumped into the burgeoning (ha ha - wd) porno movie business,
where his husky good looks and extra large endowment helped him
find a whole new audience of admirers.
I've got another book here ... let's see ... it's called "Hollywood
Confidental" and writ by a certain Coral Amende and published by
Plume/Penguin (imagine that!) Several refs here to Aldo. Ah,
I see he made the endowed list here as well. On page 196, we read
Actor Aldo Ray remembered an early casting couch experience:
"George Cukor gave me my big break in this business. He thought
I could be a star, and I knew somebody important like him
could easily help me, so I let him take his pleasure and it
didn't compromise me in the least."
Oh, yeah, Cukor, of "My Fair Lady" fame, was a queen from way back.
Back in the 40s he and his pals used to cruise the sailor's.
Since I've got this thing open here, let's see who else's
reputation we can blacken ... Let see, under "Gay or
Bisexual men" we have
Nick Adams
Raymond Burr
Richard Burton
Maurice Chevalier
Montgomery Clift (boy, was he good lookin' before his accident)
Alain Delon
Danny Kaye (him and Laurance Olivier of all people!)
Sal Mineo
Tyrone Power
Clifton Webb
I've only listed the dead ones in the spirit of this newsgroup.
Unless Alain Delon is still alive? I'll have to check the IMDB.
I'm pretty certain he's a dearly departed as well, tho.
Sigismundo Malatesta
Egggn articulo
<5sgiql$r...@access1.digex.net>,<5sgiql$r...@access1.digex.net> dice :Aldo Ray 's porn film was hetero. He was one of several has been actors
who appeared in non sex roles in porno, others being Farley Granger and
Cameron Mitchell - Mitchell is dead, I beleive Granger is also dead
>I've got another book here ... let's see ... it's called "Hollywood
>Confidental" and writ by a certain Coral Amende and published by
>Plume/Penguin (imagine that!) Several refs here to Aldo. Ah,
>I see he made the endowed list here as well. On page 196, we read
>
> Actor Aldo Ray remembered an early casting couch experience:
> "George Cukor gave me my big break in this business. He thought
> I could be a star, and I knew somebody important like him
> could easily help me, so I let him take his pleasure and it
> didn't compromise me in the least."
rumoured - Warren Beatty, neither of whom were gay but got their
careers ahead ....Sal Mineo and Keanu Reeves( according to alleged
rumour ) also used this method, but were/are respectively hardly only
doing it just to get ahead..Reeves has admitted to being bi. ..
>Oh, yeah, Cukor, of "My Fair Lady" fame, was a queen from way back.
>Back in the 40s he and his pals used to cruise the sailor's.
>reputation we can blacken ... Let see, under "Gay or
>Bisexual men" we have
>
> Nick Adams
surprise....supposedly Natalie Wood was involved i bi threesomes with the
guys....I wonder about Dennis Hopper ?
> Raymond Burr
Very well known
> Richard Burton
News to me
> Maurice Chevalier
Also news to me. I know Al Jolson was bi.....
> Montgomery Clift (boy, was he good lookin' before his accident)
> Alain Delon
Documented. He had an extended highly intimate relationship as more
than just the protegee of director Luchino Visconti, a known
homosexual;. Delon though has been mostly hetero. He is still alive
although working less than in the old days, unless he died within the past
week. He was just in a film that came out recently in Europe. Of course at
his age now he can no longer get by on looks alone - of course he never
did. Antonio Banderas has replaced Delon( and Chris Lambert ) as the
top Euro sex symbol in the international cinema ( Banderas is definately
not gay . Lambert may be but I do not know, )
> Sal Mineo
well known
> Tyrone Power
> Clifton Webb
>
>I've only listed the dead ones in the spirit of this newsgroup.
>Unless Alain Delon is still alive?
I'll have to check the IMDB.
>I'm pretty certain he's a dearly departed as well, tho.
Travolta ( who did not win the oscar for Pulp Fiction for reasons of sexual
preference accoridng to rumours) and Tom Cruise - wife Nicole Kidman is
also bi according to many sources according to well known sources
including a major US womens magazine and the European edition of a
popular men's mag. Some people claim that Bobby Brown and Whitney
Houston are also a bi couple, and that the former couple of Richard Gere
and Cindy Crawford was also switch hitting. Blake Edwards had an affair
with Rock Hudson according to the late Joyce Haber. Magic Johnson was
mentioned by a gay man making a list of notable achievements by gay or
bi sports figures years before he came out as having HIV ( which he has
become one of the few who has been cured of ) - some have said that Isiah
Thomas was more than just a good school friend....-
Note : with all living figures mentioned herein the allegations are not
proven unless otherwise stated. - SM
William Davenant
Sigismundo Malatesta <cansi...@freeyellow.com> wrote:
>> Actor Aldo Ray remembered an early casting couch experience:
>> "George Cukor gave me my big break in this business. He thought
>> I could be a star, and I knew somebody important like him
>> could easily help me, so I let him take his pleasure and it
>> didn't compromise me in the least."
>IOW kind of like what happened with Clark Gable and - it is
>rumoured - Warren Beatty, neither of whom were gay but got their
>careers ahead ....Sal Mineo and Keanu Reeves( according to alleged
>rumour ) also used this method, but were/are respectively hardly only
>doing it just to get ahead..Reeves has admitted to being bi. ..
Au contraire, at least as far as Mineo goes, in fact, his death
or, rather, murder has been attributed to his proclivity towards
"rough trade." Could he have been doing that to "get ahead?" ;-)
Apparently, his idol, James Dean, was also into gay S/M. One
wonders if the bio pic that's to be made soon will go into that?
I've also heard the same things as you about Gable. And, of course,
rumors have been flying for some time 'bout Keanu (but he's still
alive and not fit for obit, yet ....)
>As he was pals with Dean, Mineo and Tony Perkins this is no
>surprise....supposedly Natalie Wood was involved i bi threesomes with the
>guys....I wonder about Dennis Hopper ?
Some have said Dennis Hopper merely likes to play up his rather
casual acquaintance with Dean ... So I wonder if he's really noteworthy
in this context. But, I don't really have an opinion/facts on way
or t'other.
>> Richard Burton
>News to me
Apparently, he attributed his alcholism to it. See the "Hollywood
Confidential."
I'm inclined to believe it since it supports my Liz Taylor theory ...
which, loosely stated, says if you're a well known male actor with
close and abiding ties to Miss Taylor, you must be gay. E.g., Rock Hudson,
Monty Clift, James Dean, Malcolm Forbes, Michael Jackson etc.
>> Maurice Chevalier
>Also news to me. I know Al Jolson was bi.....
I recall when I was a lad (not that many years ago!) being told that
MC had a peerless collection of pornography ... of course, I assumed
it involved hetero subjects ... but perhaps not.
>> Sal Mineo
>well known
[list of living omitted]
I left off them since they were still alive. I want to preserve the
"spirit" of the newsgroup.
But enough evil saying for now. I'm afraid I'm putting to much "life"
into this ....
Sigismundo Malatesta
En articulo
<5spl7u$3...@access5.digex.net>,<5spl7u$3...@access5.digex.net> dice :
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>Sigismundo Malatesta <cansi...@freeyellow.com> wrote:
>
>>> Actor Aldo Ray remembered an early casting couch experience:
>>> "George Cukor gave me my big break in this business. He thought
>>> I could be a star, and I knew somebody important like him
>>> could easily help me, so I let him take his pleasure and it
>>> didn't compromise me in the least."
>
>>IOW kind of like what happened with Clark Gable and - it is
>>rumoured - Warren Beatty, neither of whom were gay but got their
>>careers ahead ....Sal Mineo and Keanu Reeves( according to alleged
>>rumour ) also used this method, but were/are respectively hardly only
>>doing it just to get ahead..Reeves has admitted to being bi. ..
>
>Au contraire, at least as far as Mineo goes, in fact, his death
>or, rather, murder has been attributed to his proclivity towards
>"rough trade." Could he have been doing that to "get ahead?" ;-)
Sal Mineo was hardly sleeping with guys just to get ahead - he was a full
fledged bisexual who was predominately homosexual - Natalie Wood and
this British actress whose name I forgot were the only women that he was
associated with...and a rumour had it thast he was involved in a
threesome with Natalie and director Nick Ray who was generally known
as hetero, although he as well experimented...Bobby Darin also
experimented ....
>Apparently, his idol, James Dean, was also into gay S/M. One
>wonders if the bio pic that's to be made soon will go into that?
>
>I've also heard the same things as you about Gable. And, of course,
>rumors have been flying for some time 'bout Keanu (but he's still
>alive and not fit for obit, yet ....)
>
>>As he was pals with Dean, Mineo and Tony Perkins this is no
>>surprise....supposedly Natalie Wood was involved i bi threesomes with
the
>>guys....I wonder about Dennis Hopper ?
>
>Some have said Dennis Hopper merely likes to play up his rather
>casual acquaintance with Dean ... So I wonder if he's really noteworthy
>in this context. But, I don't really have an opinion/facts on way
>or t'other.
>
>>> Richard Burton
>>News to me
>
>Apparently, he attributed his alcholism to it. See the "Hollywood
>Confidential."
>
>I'm inclined to believe it since it supports my Liz Taylor theory ...
>which, loosely stated, says if you're a well known male actor with
>close and abiding ties to Miss Taylor, you must be gay. E.g., Rock
Hudson,
>Monty Clift, James Dean, Malcolm Forbes, Michael Jackson etc.
Liz, but were they ever " an item "> I'v e never heard of him being gay , nor
connected romantically to Taylor, but they worked together enough that I
wonder ? Of course Mickey Rooney also did a number of films with Taylor
and I know they were never connected, and of course he is ( as hes still
living ) very hetero.....
>>> Maurice Chevalier
>>Also news to me. I know Al Jolson was bi.....
>
>I recall when I was a lad (not that many years ago!) being told that
>MC had a peerless collection of pornography ... of course, I assumed
>it involved hetero subjects ... but perhaps not.
guess this was common among many of the oldtimers....Harold Lloyd did
too, never heard anything about him being gay....he did retire rather
suddenly at the end of the 30s but I'd always figured that had to do with
declining boxoffice popularity ......