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any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty"
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> On Cheaters, a show that exposes husbands, wives, b-friends, and g-friends,
> that was broadcast this past Saturday night, Joey Greco and his staff of
> investigators confronted a man, who his pregnant girlfriend had reported
> that she felt that he was cheating on her. Oddly enough, the man was
> confronted by the girlfriend and the Cheaters staff, while he was out
> boating with his other "significant other". If you have ever see the show,
> Joey Greco usually hounds the perp to explain their actions to the one they
> have cheated on. On Saturday night's broadcast, after several words were
> exchanged by all, the man attacked Joey Greco and stabbed him in the
> abdomen, approximately 4" deep with some type of fishing knife. The man was
> subdued by the "guards" of Cheaters, even though one staff member fell
> overboard in doing so. He was cuffed and his boat taken back to shore by the
> Cheaters crew, while Joey Greco was taken on ahead first in one of the boats
> they used to confront the man with. I couldn't find anything online about
> the incident, and they only said at the end of the show that Greco was
> recuperating. I know the show is produced out of Dallas, and that appeared
> to be to be the area where the incident occurred. Their first host, Tommy
> Grand left in February, after contract discussions broke down between him
> and the producers.
I've never heard of this show, but given that a reality-show TV host
was supposedly stabbed while taping, how come no one's heard anything
about this incident before now? I smell a hoax.
"Cpl. O'Reilly" wrote:
I searched everywhere including the cheaters.com website and have come up with
nothing....most curious.....
Nope, no hoax here. I think I would know if it was some sort of hoax, and
this certainly wasn't a hoax. The show revolves around surprising the person
that has been under surveillance, and confronting them with indisputable
evidence that they have been caught cheating on their significant other.
This wasn't something "staged", and I'm sure there is something online
regarding it, I haven't found anything. This is indeed a reality TV show, so
given it's a reality show, what occurs is reality as well. It's also sort of
hard to fake a clearly visable stab wound in your gut and having blood
oozing out of it, all the while EMT's are applying pressure with gauze after
gauze to try and stop it, and the ambulance on code three racing through
city streets towards the hospital.
Yeah, I know, I've hit pay dirt so far myself. I know the show is out of
Dallas, and that's it's in syndication across the country, and the air times
vary from station to station. I'm gonna keep looking around for something
about it online. I knew something was odd, when the show opened with a
different host, and the first thing I thought of was they lost another host
to money disagreements. the show is broken up in two segments, or separate
stories, and Greco was in both segments, but it was in the second segment
that he was stabbed. The guy who stabbed him was acting like a real
"bad-ass" the whole time, and most of his words were "bleeped out", and he
truly had no grasp of the King's English when his comments were "air-able".
wunnuy wrote:
> Shirley <bigd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<3ED37AEA...@bellsouth.net>...
> Yes, I too searched all over and found nothing. It is bizarre. This is
> a nationally syndicated TV show. YOu'd think there'd be some report
> somewhere, in a Dallas paper at least, of this incident. Yet, there is
> nary a report anywhere on the net or online. Maybe this was a hoax of
> some sort. It looked real. I had it on tape and watched the incident a
> few times, I was pretty surprised by it. But now that it's been a few
> days and there is nothing to find about this on the net, maybe it
> wasn't real.
>
> Personally, I love the show, it's really funny. All the people on this
> show are white trash or overweight white people who wish they were
> black. The people who are caught cheating ALWAYS think the person they
> were cheating is wrong for brining in the cameras and both hosts,
> Tommy grand (habeeb) and Joey Greco are both insincere phonies
> (although Tommy had way more camera savvy than Joey, who is just
> awful). It was bound to happen at some point, a host was going to get
> hurt.
I just recently found this show and was surprised by the host's "In your face" attitude...I
think it was this type of thrill that I liked....
Do you think it could have been a staged episode that went really bad?
Like when some girl kicks a guy in the you know where, but doesn't really....and sometimes
there is a connection....from her foot to you know where....
> Yes, I too searched all over and found nothing. It is bizarre. This is
> a nationally syndicated TV show. YOu'd think there'd be some report
> somewhere, in a Dallas paper at least, of this incident. Yet, there is
> nary a report anywhere on the net or online. Maybe this was a hoax of
> some sort. It looked real. I had it on tape and watched the incident a
> few times, I was pretty surprised by it. But now that it's been a few
> days and there is nothing to find about this on the net, maybe it
> wasn't real.
>
> Personally, I love the show, it's really funny. All the people on this
> show are white trash or overweight white people who wish they were
> black. The people who are caught cheating ALWAYS think the person they
> were cheating is wrong for brining in the cameras and both hosts,
> Tommy grand (habeeb) and Joey Greco are both insincere phonies
> (although Tommy had way more camera savvy than Joey, who is just
> awful). It was bound to happen at some point, a host was going to get
> hurt.
The only thing relating to the stabbing incident is at petitiononline, where
posters are signing a petition to have Tommy Habeeb (aka Tommy Grand), who
was the first host, brought back to the show. Grand also has his own website
www.tommyhabeeb.com, where he says that he was forced out, and it wasn't his
decision. Anyway, at the petition site, there have been some discussion as
to the authencity of Greco's stabbing incident, some say it was fake, others
say it was real, and others wishing he was dead. Reminded my of some of the
banter here on AO. The show itself is a cross between "COPS" and the "OLD"
Jerry Springer, back when the fights were real ones, which he ultimately had
to switch to "staged fights" to stay in favor with the Chicago Alderman.
Here's the petitiononline link:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?tommyg1
The Kentucky Wizard wrote:
I went to the horses mouth....Bobby Goldsein in charge of production...
Just sent him an email...see what kind of reply I get if any....
I really don't care who the host is....I just like the program...
You mean you haven't hit pay dirt so far.
Pay dirt = good (what you were looking for)
Is Gomez still the investigator? I used to love it when Tommy would pick up his
cellphone to ask where the cheater was and say "This is Grand, Gomez"
Oops!, my bad. Thanks for the correction. ;-)~
I don't know the guys names are that do the surveillance, but I know a
couple of those guys are pretty big 'ole boys, and it's fun to watch them
try to pull the people apart, especially the gals that are just exiting a
bar, and find themselves confronted by 15 people dressed in black and 4
cameras on them. The only other time I can recall the host being close to
getting hurt was when two guys decided to duke it out, and Greco happened to
be in the middle, and looked like a black leather coat sandwich. I don't
recall being caught up in any fist-a-swingings, but he did have a few
altercations with the local police when they showed up because they were
called about some type of domestic dispute. Grand was the best at pushing
the right buttons and hitting the right nerves, Greco, who is a local Dallas
actor, comes across more of a bully, and he doesn't have the ability to cash
the checks his mouth often writes. If the stabbing was a fake, it would be a
first for the show, everything else I've seen on there is the real deal, you
just couldn't make some of that stuff up. I just don't think they would
jeopardize their show's success over a single stunt.
> Nope, no hoax here. I think I would know if it was some sort of hoax, and
> this certainly wasn't a hoax. The show revolves around surprising the person
> that has been under surveillance, and confronting them with indisputable
> evidence that they have been caught cheating on their significant other.
> This wasn't something "staged", and I'm sure there is something online
> regarding it, I haven't found anything. This is indeed a reality TV show, so
> given it's a reality show, what occurs is reality as well. It's also sort of
> hard to fake a clearly visable stab wound in your gut and having blood
> oozing out of it, all the while EMT's are applying pressure with gauze after
> gauze to try and stop it, and the ambulance on code three racing through
> city streets towards the hospital.
But, Wiz, it boggles my mind that a reality-show host could get stabbed
by a "victim" with no reporting of the incident by anybody, anywhere.
It just doesn't make any sense to me. And there's *video* of the
stabbing? And *no one's* run it? This little shit of a show is
avoiding publicity?
I don't buy it. It may look real enough, but the complete lack of
coverage tells me it's not real.
>I don't know the guys names are that do the surveillance, but I know a
>couple of those guys are pretty big 'ole boys, and it's fun to watch them
>try to pull the people apart, especially the gals that are just exiting a
>bar, and find themselves confronted by 15 people dressed in black and 4
>cameras on them. The only other time I can recall the host being close to
>getting hurt was when two guys decided to duke it out, and Greco happened to
>be in the middle, and looked like a black leather coat sandwich.
Wasn't there one, just a few weeks ago when the subject got in his car
and drove away and Joey had his van follow him only to pull into a
parking lot and see the guy get out of his car with a gun?
Loki
That may very well be the case, my friend, and it's very possible that I,
along with others were duped into thinking that it was a stunt. While I wish
no ill on anyone, I would like to think the stabbing was real, given that at
the end of the show the commentator who provides the follow-ups to the
nights stories, mentioned that this person refused to talk to Cheaters after
his release from jail, and hung up on them every time they tried to contact
them. Of course that could just be fuel for the fire. If it does indeed to
turn out to be a hoax, it certainly would be a devastating blow to the shows
credibility, for they take much pride in promoting that these events are
real, unrehearsed, and are real people caught in real cheating situations. I
guess we will have to wait and see what comes down the pike. Their website;
www.cheaters.com, has a listing of the stations that carry their show and
it's airtimes. You may want to check out if it is shown in your area, and
catch the next show, and you will see what I mean about the authenticity of
what they do.
Yep, they had already confronted the guy once, and he took off and they
followed him to a parking lot. When he hopped out there with, what appeared
to be a chrome 9mm, the crew hopped back in their vehicles and got the heck
out of there as fast as they could.
>What day did the show air that had the stabbing in it?
It is syndicated and was probably different in every market, but in
Sacramento it was on Sunday night/Monday morning.
Loki
The Kentucky Wizard wrote:
I heard back from the producer....send me an email and I will forward his reply
to me to you...
> What day did the show air that had the stabbing in it?
It is a syndicated show, so times and dates vary from station to station.
Here in Louisville, is was on this past Saturday night. Their website,
www.cheaters.com, has a list of stations that carry their show, and the
airtimes and dates.
>I heard back from the producer....send me an email and I will forward his reply
>to me to you...
Why not just post it here?
Loki
Loki wrote:
I don't know how....
Here's what Shirley received, she asked me to post it;
Cheat...@aol.com wrote:
greetings, shirley: thanks so much for your care and concern. joey is doing
very well. i am forwarding all such e-mails to him so that he can know how
much support he has out there. thanks for your good wishes and for your
being a cheaters fan. bg
bobby goldstein
executive producer
cheaters
I'm going to write Mr. Goldstein as well, and see if he can provide more
info.
> If the stabbing was a fake, it would be a first for the show,
> everything else I've seen on there is the real deal, you just
> couldn't make some of that stuff up. I just don't think they would
> jeopardize their show's success over a single stunt.
Another thing, Wiz. We just got out of the TV sweeps period. It
stands to reason that, if this thing had really happened, the stations
running the show would have *demanded* that the producers provide
video, interviews, etc. in order to hype the show and build the
audience. Shoot, if you told me a guy was going to get stabbed on the
show, I'd have probably watched it myself.
None of this proves it was a fake. It just smells that way.
Definitely some valid points, and you may be correct. I emailed Goldstein
and asked him some point blank questions regarding that episode, so we'll
have to wait to see if he responds or runs.
Loki
I'm not so sure they weren't given permission to board the man's boat, only
that he told them to get off his boat just before the altercation between
him and Greco ensued. The series of events, which seem to follow in
sequence, are most likely edited, and portions that are considered
unimportant for the theme of the confrontation, are removed. I'm am curious
as you, Loki, as to what Harry would say regarding the incident, and was
there any violations committed, given what we have to go on.
The Kentucky Wizard wrote:
Unless the Girl's name was on the lease/bill of sales?
Piracy requires violence, predation or at least violent intent. The
simple act of trespassing without violent intent is not piracy.
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Well, I have written the shows producer, Bobby Goldstein, regarding the
stabbing incident. He responded to the first email, which basically the same
ambigeous email that Shirley received. I questioned him a second time, and I
have yet to hear from him, so who knows what the deal is.
Here is the text of the emails and his single response.
Mr. Goldstein,
I watched the episode of your show this past Saturday night in which
your host, Mr. Greco, was stabbed by the man that he has confronted for
cheating on his pregnant girlfriend. Could you please tell me if Mr. Greco
was actually stabbed, and if so, what is his current condition? I enjoy your
show, I am writing from Louisville, Ky. and this incident, while appeared to
be a realistic event, could have possibly been a staged event.
I haven't seen an actual online source that carried the stabbing
incident, and I have searched the various Dallas news sources; TV, radio,
etc., without any results. For something that was shown on television
stations across the country, the fact that there has been nothing reported,
at least easily accessible online is somewhat peculiar to say the least.
Your show's website also contains no information regarding this incident.
I have found a few discussion forums, where the majority of posters seem
to feel that this was somehow staged, and that Mr. Greco was not injured at
all.
Could you please provide me with the following information: The extent
of Mr. Greco's injuries, his current health status, the projected time of
his return to the show, any online sources documenting the event, the legal
status of the man who committed the alleged assault. and whether Mr. Greco
is actually planning on returning to the show.
Thank you in advance for your time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
darrell:
greetings, and thanks so much for your care and concern. joey is doing very
well, and other than the walk ups that he missed out on in that ugly
episode, he is now back in the saddle. i am forwarding all such e-mails to
him so that he can know how much support he has out there. thanks for your
good wishes and for your being a cheaters fan. bg
bobby goldstein executive producer cheaters
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Greetings Mr. Goldstein,
Thank you for your reply, and I am glad to know that Mr. Greco is
feeling better. I had asked you for some additional information regarding
the incident that occurred on that recent episode. As I said then, there
seems to be some controversy regarding the authencity of what occurred, and
I would like for you to answer these questions, so that I may know whether
what happened was a real incident of not.
Once again, I respectfully ask that you could provide me with these
answers. I assure you that I am only interested in the authencity of the
incident and the aftermath of it. I represent no organization, and I am not
a repoorter, or have some hidden agenda, I am only a curious fan of the
show.
Given that, could you please provide me with the following information:
The extent of Mr. Greco's injuries, his current health status, the projected
time of his return to the show, any online sources documenting the event,
the legal status of the man who committed the alleged assault. and whether
Mr. Greco is actually planning on returning to the show.
Thank you in advance for your time,
> Yeah, I know, I've hit pay dirt so far myself. I know the show is out of
> Dallas, and that's it's in syndication across the country, and the air times
> vary from station to station. I'm gonna keep looking around for something
> about it online. I knew something was odd, when the show opened with a
> different host, and the first thing I thought of was they lost another host
> to money disagreements. the show is broken up in two segments, or separate
> stories, and Greco was in both segments, but it was in the second segment
> that he was stabbed. The guy who stabbed him was acting like a real
> "bad-ass" the whole time, and most of his words were "bleeped out", and he
> truly had no grasp of the King's English when his comments were "air-able".
So they'll show someone being stabbed - blood, guts and all - but they
balk at airing a bunch of words. Only in America, the land of free speech.
Bpc
>Loki <cubby...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<fmg9dv492de8052in...@4ax.com>...
>I wasn't at sea, it was in a lake. There is no sea near Dallas.
Does that matter? I have no idea at what point maritime laws go into
effect.
Loki
Piracy is committed on the high seas. On a lake (even, I think, on
the great lakes), it's simple robbery, assault, what-have-you.
If it's Lake Texoma they have boats up there that are blue water capable. It's
a biiiigggggggg lake ;)
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Pirat...@aol.com
Keeper of the Humour List at http://members.aol.com/PirateJohn/pirate1.html
"Mother, mother ocean... I have heard your call" - Jimmy Buffett, A Pirate
Looks At Forty.
Bet I've got a bigger one.
Boat? Lake? Anatomical part?
JD, you really need to define what you're talking about here ;)
Sure, the Great Lakes are <cough> a notch or two bigger, but since we're
talkin' Dallas Texoma will have to do.
I doubt anyone here has driven a bigger boat than I have.
> Lake?
When you ride your bike regularly to the shore of Lake Michigan, it's
tough to be impressed by what Texas has to offer in the way of lakes.
> Anatomical part?
Well ... sure. Unless we're talking about man-boobs.
You might want to take that up with Harry.
>> Anatomical part?
>
>Well ... sure. Unless we're talking about man-boobs.
You've got man-boobs? Ewwwwww ...
96,000 tons big enough for ya?
Oh. You've got a point there. I see that you wrote 'driven' but I was
thinking 'owned.' And in that regard I suspect that Harry's definitely got you
beat.
96,000 tons and Lake Texoma would definitely rise an inch or two ;)
>>>> I doubt anyone here has driven a bigger boat than I have.
>>>
>>> You might want to take that up with Harry.
>>
>> 96,000 tons big enough for ya?
>
>
> Oh. You've got a point there. I see that you wrote 'driven' but I was
> thinking 'owned.' And in that regard I suspect that Harry's definitely
got you
> beat.
>
> 96,000 tons and Lake Texoma would definitely rise an inch or two ;)
>
>
>
You're a little slow, John. I caught J.D.'s drift a couple posts back.
*hehe* About "96,000 tons and Lake Texoma would definitely rise an inch or
two", I am torn between the realization that even though it would appear to
be the case, the phenomon of "buoyancy" kicks in, and I am trying to resolve
within myself if 96,000 tons would really raise Lake Texoma a single inch or
not. Given the displacement of the water, however, I can see where that
would happen.
I did deliver a large sailboat there years ago. The previous owner was
reportedly one of the founders of the Friendly ice cream chain and the boat's
draft was so deep that it was running aground at low tide whilst at this gent's
private dock somewhere around Fort Pierce. Tough breaks, I know ;)
Anywho, a dude from Ross Perot's old company bought that sucker and had it
shipped to Texoma. IIRC it was about 50' long and wide enough that it required
an escort (flag car vehicle) through several states but surprisingly not in
Texas (who routed this thing down all sorts of secondary roads without a flag
car) so it must have been on the order of 12-13' wide.
At the time I was surprised that they would be putting a boat that big in a
lake, but I discovered later that there were several large boats there.
Diff'rnt strokes ...
Floating USS Nimitz on Lake Texoma wouldn't quite raise the water
level a hundredth of an inch. I was going to wait for Roy to do the
"calculations," just for the sheer entertainment value (he'd probably
have had it flooding the entire Red River Valley), but what the hell.
Lake Texoma, according to a web search, covers 89,000 acres, which is
the equivalent of 3,876,840,000 square feet.
Water weighs 62.4 pounds per cubic foot, so 96,000 tons -- or
192,000,000 pounds -- of it would be 3,077,000 cubic feet.
So 3,876,840,000 square feet * x == 3,077,000 cubic feet, solving
for x, yields .000794 ft., or 0.0095 inch.
> In the previous article, The Kentucky Wizard
> <kentuckywizardNOPO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> [...] I am trying to resolve within myself if 96,000 tons would
>> really raise Lake Texoma a single inch or not. Given the
>> displacement of the water, however, I can see where that would
>> happen.
>
> Floating USS Nimitz on Lake Texoma wouldn't quite raise the water
> level a hundredth of an inch. I was going to wait for Roy to do the
> "calculations," just for the sheer entertainment value (he'd probably
> have had it flooding the entire Red River Valley), but what the hell.
>
> Lake Texoma, according to a web search, covers 89,000 acres, which is
> the equivalent of 3,876,840,000 square feet.
>
> Water weighs 62.4 pounds per cubic foot, so 96,000 tons -- or
> 192,000,000 pounds -- of it would be 3,077,000 cubic feet.
>
> So 3,876,840,000 square feet * x == 3,077,000 cubic feet, solving
> for x, yields .000794 ft., or 0.0095 inch.
Thanks for the info, J.D.. I'm glad that it was you who gave the stats and
the calculations, rather than Roy. The last time I tried out one of Roy's
equations to see if it really worked, I burned an egg in the microwave and
left a bloody mess. He failed to mention that the egg should be *outside* of
the hen before trying to cook it in the microwave. Those little details mean
a lot sometimes. ;-)~