SUICIDE Re: Payne Stewart's Lear Jet Crashes - Theories????
Anonymous
sport...@aol.comfly (SportKite1) wrote:
>So what do you think happened?
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ANT The Monarch of Menace
>
So am I to understand that you believe this was actually a suicide? Granted it
would be easy to cause a massive decomprssion of of the cabin, but why would
someone bent on killing themselves take so many many others with them? I think
this was more likely an accident or malfunction.
venividivici
error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
itrade
Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
what I'd call way off course. What's even more chilling - literally -
is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
Guess this will perpetuate the "Celebrities killed in air crashes"
thread.
Rich
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ANT The Monarch of Menace
>error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
I agree. Too many paranoids and conspiracy buffs out there.
Watch out for those black helicopters now! "Just cuz I'm paranoid doesn't mean
they're not after me!"
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
>what I'd call way off course.
Ummm, yeah. So what's your point?
>What's even more chilling - literally -
>is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
>saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
Not at all. This is what happens at high altitude when there's no cabin
pressure. What I found unusual is the the Air Force was called in at all.
Stan The Man
<itradeN...@prodigy.net.invalid> wrote:
>Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
>was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
>what I'd call way off course. What's even more chilling - literally -
>is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
>saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
Not a very good synopsis then. The plane was off course because it had
been flying across America for over two hours without any crew. All the
crew and passengers had perished half an hour after takeoff when the
cabin depressurised suddenly at 45000 ft, causing the moisture in the
air to freeze. The F-16s were sent up to try to ensure that the Lear
didn't crash in a built-up area.
Stan
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Mark F
Mark
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nort...@capeonramp.net.com
the Guard Unit was training in the area.
Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
David
Del Stanley
>
> Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> what I'd call way off course.
I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
"way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
"way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
M. K. Stinson
Learjets that are off flying by themselves on flight plans will always
be checked out....I can assure you.
Kirk
<nort...@capeonramp.net.com> wrote in message
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Karen O'Mara
> The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
> the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
This ghost rider plane would have made pre-emptive, Big News if you and
I had been the only ones onboard, too.
Karen
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hank
M. K. Stinson <sti...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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> David,
> Learjets that are off flying by themselves on flight plans will
always
> be checked out....I can assure you.
>
> Kirk
>
> <nort...@capeonramp.net.com> wrote in message
> news:3814ce00...@news.capeonramp.com...
> > the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> > Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> > nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
> >
Relevant paragraph from foxsports.com article:
"An Air Force F-16 fighter jet from Tyndall, Fla., was diverted from a
routine training flight to check out the Learjet, Air Force officials
said. Two F-15 fighters from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., then took over
to follow the Learjet, and they later handed off the monitoring to two
Air National Guard F-16s from Tulsa, Okla."
http://www.foxsports.com/news/stories/g1025stewart2.sml
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changed heading to a more populated area...??
M. K. Stinson <sti...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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> David,
> Learjets that are off flying by themselves on flight plans will always
> be checked out....I can assure you.
>
> Kirk
>
> <nort...@capeonramp.net.com> wrote in message
> news:3814ce00...@news.capeonramp.com...
> > The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
> > the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> > Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> > nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
> >
> > David
>
>
>
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Del Stanley <dgs...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
> info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
> "way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
> Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
> we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
> way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
The flight started in Florida. (Orlando I think)
Just for the record.
--Zach Kessin
George R. Patterson III
>
> itrade wrote:
> >
> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > what I'd call way off course.
>
You aren't familiar with anything! Like the man said, read the synopsis.
The flight started in Florida. It failed to make the first planned
course change. Like he said - way off course.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
David J. Ervin
>
> itrade wrote:
> >
> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > what I'd call way off course.
>
> info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
> "way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
> Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
> we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
> way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
He departed from Florida.
emil folsom
times in the past.
emil
ArtP
inexplicable situation. But the plan was apparently on course based
upon the initial course setting. The problems appears to be that the
crew was unable to change the course at the scheduled time so the
autopilot continued on the original course.
Artp
Laurie D. T. Mann
> Without getting to picky. Way off course implies to me an
> inexplicable situation. But the plan was apparently on course based
> upon the initial course setting. The problems appears to be that the
> crew was unable to change the course at the scheduled time so the
> autopilot continued on the original
Well "way off course" in that the plane was supposed to land in
Houston, not crash in South Dakota. The plane was supposed to turn west
in northern Florida and didn't, which is why people suspect the
cabin decompression happend while the plane was still over Florida.
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Bill Warren
>The flight started in Florida.
Yup, and it was headed for Texas.
mike regish
cd cutter
Fact no contact from plane at Galesville.
Fact Air Force found no exterior damage to aircraft
Fact Air Force found the windows frosted or smoke covered
How about this,, The Europeans out to get the Ryder Cup Team from the US.
Not frost or smoke but chemical smoke on the windshield and everybody dead
before Galesville. Reason the 17 hole party when Justin Leonard cinched it
the dance over the green before the Spaniard could make his shot. Steward
the last one to win the Green Jacket, who's next O'mera, Tiger or somebody
else. I guess we will see from the investigation.
venividivici <vne...@unitedstatesaviation.com> wrote in message
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cd cutter
you think the flight was on course?????
Del Stanley <dgs...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> itrade wrote:
> >
> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > what I'd call way off course.
>
> I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
> info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
cd cutter
Galesville Fla to go to Dallas. Does sound like the flight was on
course????
JF Mezei
> "An Air Force F-16 fighter jet from Tyndall, Fla., was diverted from a
> routine training flight to check out the Learjet, Air Force officials
> said. Two F-15 fighters from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., then took over
> to follow the Learjet, and they later handed off the monitoring to two
> Air National Guard F-16s from Tulsa, Okla."
4 Canadian forces F18s were put on alert. The maximum range of that aircraft
could have brought it to northern Alberta.
JF Mezei
> Trust me, if you are in an aircraft that is not answering radio
> hails, is ignoring ATC, and is wandering through a busy airspace,
> somebody is going to come up and take a look.
Considering that the remnants of the plane won't reveal that much, I am
wondering if the chase planes had, as a task, to film as much of the aircraft
as possible to aid in the NTSB's investigation ?
Brad Ferguson
wrote:
> In article <3814F4...@earthlink.net>,
> dgs...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > itrade wrote:
> > >
> > > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > > what I'd call way off course.
> >
> > I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
> > info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> > "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> > originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> > Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
> > "way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
> > Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
> > we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
> > way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
> >
> Ummmm.....When you draw a straight line from MCO to DFW - or even
> a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
They weren't flying a direct course. They were supposed to turn to the
west somewhere above the Florida panhandle, but didn't; the plane
wasn't off course until it failed to make that turn. Apparently the
autopilot did a terrific job of maintaining the course and speed set by
the pilot before he died.
John Theune
their dead or just out of sight. Ever wonder what happened to the guy who
played ( insert name here ) on that sitcom in the 70s? The dead people
server will tell you. I know it looks bad, but it's not really.
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nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5."
That's called celebrity, David, and nobody said it was fair. Only fact.
If Cher was missing off the Califorinia coast and you were, too, who
would be the center of attention? Your family's personal loss would be
just as great. Unfortantly, the country's wouldn't be.
And there you are.
Ain't fair. But it is reality.
Deborah Stevenson
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mark F wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:46:04 GMT, ITRADE <ITR...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >Ummmm.....When you draw a straight line from MCO to DFW - or even
> >a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
> Exactly. Just "'Nuff said" to demonstrate you know nothing at all
> about aviation.
>
> Aircraft travels on "highways" called Airways (low altitude) or
> Jetways. They don't usually travel in a straight line from MCO to DFW.
> They were obviously cleared to Gainesville (NNW) then to DFW.
Gainesville, of course, being easily proximate to South Dakota, this
clears things up completely :-).
Rich was responding to somebody who didn't know they'd taken off from
Florida and who was pointing out that South Dakota isn't out of the way
had they been taking off from, say, Manitoba. But they weren't,
and whether their flight pattern called for them to turn left at
Gainesville or near the 7-11 on the road to Valdosta, it wasn't supposed
to take them to South Dakota.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
geneseib
> was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> what I'd call way off course.
His route was Orlando to Gainsville and then west to Dallas but he
ended up staying on the Orlando to Gainsville heading, explaining his
heading for Dakota. Talk about flight following.....
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Stan The Man wrote:
> In article <000b8d9b...@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com>, itrade
> <itradeN...@prodigy.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> >was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> >what I'd call way off course. What's even more chilling - literally -
> >is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
> >saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
>
> Not a very good synopsis then. The plane was off course because it had
> been flying across America for over two hours without any crew. All the
> crew and passengers had perished half an hour after takeoff when the
> cabin depressurised suddenly at 45000 ft, causing the moisture in the
> air to freeze. The F-16s were sent up to try to ensure that the Lear
> didn't crash in a built-up area.
>
> Stan
Since the last clearance was to 39,000 feet, how do you figure that the
cabin depressurized "suddenly" at 45,000 ft??? Don't quit your day job.
Del Stanley
>
> Del Stanley wrote:
>
> > I will admit I am not familiar with the details,
>
> The flight started in Florida. It failed to make the first planned
> course change. Like he said - way off course.
>
In most cases when the news breaks, we are only given a limited amount
of
broadcast info. Some people may be privy to additional details. And
they may be subscribers here.
But, I don't understand why a know-it-all asshole like you bothers
reading it. After all I'm sure you're familiar with everything!
Del Stanley
>
> Ummmm.....When you draw a straight line from MCO to DFW - or even
> a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
In your original post, you drew no line giving a point of origin.
Simply saying a crash incurred in SD going to DFW does not indicate
a "course way off". "Nuff is said and known NOW, but not then.
Newps
nort...@capeonramp.net.com wrote:
>
> The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
> the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
Sure they would, and they did. About 10 years ago some guy in a C210
tried to kill himself, I think by shooting himself. ATC lost voice comm
but still had the transponder while the autopilot flew the plane, just
like today. ATC vectored another aircraft up next to him, saw him in
there, etc, etc. Don't know if he died or not. The plane went down off
the eastern coast of Florida.
ITRADE
> >
> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > what I'd call way off course.
>
> info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
> "way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
> Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
> we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
> way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
>
a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
Rich
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Muz
ANT The Monarch of Menace wrote:
> >Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> >was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> >what I'd call way off course.
>
> Ummm, yeah. So what's your point?
>
> >What's even more chilling - literally -
> >is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
> >saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
>
> Not at all. This is what happens at high altitude when there's no cabin
> pressure. What I found unusual is the the Air Force was called in at all.
Well I suppose if it looked like crashing on Main Street LA for an instance
they were there to shoot it down .... maybe they did anyway ...........Muz
Doug Berry
<antti...@my-deja.com> channeled Elvis who passed this on:
>
>"Learjet 35 - cruise missile with seats."
Out of the 1300+ Lears flying today, how many fatal accidents
have there been?
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Doug Berry
channeled Elvis who passed this on:
>The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
>the Guard Unit was training in the area.
>Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
>nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
Trust me, if you are in an aircraft that is not answering radio
hails, is ignoring ATC, and is wandering through a busy airspace,
somebody is going to come up and take a look.
CNN might not make it a breaking story, but the ATC net will want
to no why you are out of contact, and what they need to do to
prevent your Lear 35 from flying into a L1011 with 400 people on
board.
Doug Berry
<lm...@city-net.com> channeled Elvis who passed this on:
>Well "way off course" in that the plane was supposed to land in
>Houston, not crash in South Dakota.
Quick correction. The flight was headed for Love Field, Dallas
Texas, not Houston. I belived the PGA Championships are there
this year.
Mr. Sweetness & Light.
ITRADE wrote in message <7v2tkc$1fe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>> >
>> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
>> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
>> > what I'd call way off course.
>>
>> info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
>> "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
>> originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
>> Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
>> "way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
>> Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
>> we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
>> way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
>>
>Ummmm.....When you draw a straight line from MCO to DFW - or even
>a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
>
>Rich
>
>
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west towards Dallas. It never made the course correction which would mean
the depressurization happened in Florida.
Mark F
about aviation.
Aircraft travels on "highways" called Airways (low altitude) or
Jetways. They don't usually travel in a straight line from MCO to DFW.
They were obviously cleared to Gainesville (NNW) then to DFW.
ITRADE
Mark F <m4...@SPAMNO.garlic.com> wrote in article
<38150bec...@news.garlic.com>...
> Exactly. Just "'Nuff said" to demonstrate you know nothing at all
> about aviation.
>
> Aircraft travels on "highways" called Airways (low altitude) or
> Jetways. They don't usually travel in a straight line from MCO to DFW.
> They were obviously cleared to Gainesville (NNW) then to DFW.
>
OK...Then tell me their next VOR waypoint?? According to the news
they were to make a lefthand turn after GNV - probably TLH before
continuing
west. Didn't happen. So, any more insight there Mr. Wise Ass?
Rich
el...@spam.free.at.last
Deborah Stevenson <stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mark F wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:46:04 GMT, ITRADE <ITR...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Ummmm.....When you draw a straight line from MCO to DFW - or even
>> >a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
>
>> about aviation.
>>
>> Aircraft travels on "highways" called Airways (low altitude) or
>> Jetways. They don't usually travel in a straight line from MCO to DFW.
>> They were obviously cleared to Gainesville (NNW) then to DFW.
>
>clears things up completely :-).
>
>Rich was responding to somebody who didn't know they'd taken off from
>Florida and who was pointing out that South Dakota isn't out of the way
>had they been taking off from, say, Manitoba. But they weren't,
>and whether their flight pattern called for them to turn left at
>Gainesville or near the 7-11 on the road to Valdosta, it wasn't supposed
>to take them to South Dakota.
ROTFLOL!!!! A keeper...
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>it is amazing to me how you collective media/disaster/conspiracy drones
>keep gathering around the nearest "light".
buzz buzz buzz ZAP! Don't you just love those electrified bug lights?
>.whats next??? ....the tidy
>bowl man is about to be indicted for killing of MLK, right? I thought so.
You mean to tell me that he DIDN'T do it? Why I'm aghast!
> YOU FUCKNG IDIOTS.
>
Hey, I resemble that remark. C'mon, don't hold back--tell us what you REALLY
think! <G> I personaly can't stand the loonies that see conspiracies in
everything. Hold on a minute--I think someone's here. OH NO! It's my shadow and
he's trying to choke me! ARRGGHH!
Robert Stewart
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>tried to kill himself, I think by shooting himself. ATC lost voice comm
>but still had the transponder while the autopilot flew the plane, just
>like today. ATC vectored another aircraft up next to him, saw him in
>there, etc, etc. Don't know if he died or not. The plane went down off
>the eastern coast of Florida.
>
while they were talking about the Lear Jet crash. I believe this fella was
either a Doctor or Lawyer.
The witnesses saw the plane go down and thought for sure that he died.
Lucky SOB!
El Roto
(which was to the abdomen, I believe). He ditched the plane and was
"rescued" (I'm guessing he felt differently about getting picked up) by
a Coast Guard Cutter or some such. He initially tried to say the
shooting was an accident, but had a hard time explaining how a gun
stored in the map box was able to put a bullet in him all by itself.
Another zany, wacky, madcap aviation adventure!
Steve G.
> Sure they would, and they did. About 10 years ago some guy in a
> C210 tried to kill himself, I think by shooting himself. ATC lost
> voice comm but still had the transponder while the autopilot flew the
>plane, just like today. ATC vectored another aircraft up next to him,
>saw him in there, etc, etc. Don't know if he died or not. The plane
>went down off the eastern coast of Florida.
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NOT the golf course designer, Bruce Borland. It is now believed that the 6th
passenger was possibly a deranged Stewart fan, or even (horror the thought)
a person of Chinese background acting in retaliation for Payne's racist
comments on ESPN last week. A body part, of different skin-tone was
identified at the crash site in Mina, South Dakota, believed to be of Asian
pigment. (Something to consider: perhaps this person was a 7th person on the
plane??... but I'll continue with "6th" for the purpose of this post)
This 6th passenger who somehow managed to sneak on board before the flight
left the Orlando airport. Once they were in the air, it is believed
he(/she?) came out from their hiding place and for whatever reason, fired a
shot/shots from a gun. A stray bullet punctured the Lear's fuselage,
resulting in rapid decompression of the cabin compartment. It is still
unknown if the plane's passengers died as a result of gunshots, or due to
the rapid decompression, resulting in loss of oxygen, along with extreme
coldness (up to -50ºF). At an altitude of 30,000 feet, there is only enough
oxygen for survival of approximately 30 seconds; at 45,000 feet, the
passengers would only have lived for approximately 15 seconds.
This sounds very logical. It would explain why radio contact was lost
shortly after Gainesville, Florida - obviously the 6th passenger came out
from hiding, or was discovered. Possibly, the pilot put the plane on
auto-pilot when a melee ensued in the cabin. I'm just theorizing here, but
perhaps the assailant shot at the pilot as he attempted to subdue him. Most
likely, everyone would have been incapacitated immediately, or perhaps a
frantic struggle followed - but oxygen ran out, and all died moments later.
The windows frosted over due to the decompression, and obviously, there was
no time to send a distress signal (not that it would have done much good).
What remains to be asked - who was the 6th passenger, and what was their
motive for wanted Payne dead? Was the body part found in the field in Mina
really of Asian origin (guess DNA tests will prove it?), and even if it is,
does it prove anything? Who was on board (still to be 100% confirmed), who
was shot, and if there was gunshot wounds, were they fatal, or were all the
deaths due to the decompressurization of the cabin? I guess autopsy results
may provide more clues.
Until then, it gives us some things to think about.....
Btw... I'm not really a golf fan - I could identify 3 golfers: Jack
Nicklaus(sp?), Tiger Woods (that's an easy one!), and Payne Stewart because
of the funky clothing. A sad day, anyhow.
RenegadeX
Doug Berry
<jfmezei...@videotron.ca> channeled Elvis who passed this
on:
>Doug Berry wrote:
>> Trust me, if you are in an aircraft that is not answering radio
>> hails, is ignoring ATC, and is wandering through a busy airspace,
>> somebody is going to come up and take a look.
>
>Considering that the remnants of the plane won't reveal that much, I am
>wondering if the chase planes had, as a task, to film as much of the >aircraft as possible to aid in the NTSB's investigation ?
It would be helpful, though I don't think that any of the
USAF/ANG aircraft used had the right equipment. They may have to
rely on the pilot's testimony.
Unknown
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Okay, I know the Europeans were ticked off at the celebration on 17,
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Pixie
>itrade wrote:
>>
>> Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
>> was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
>> what I'd call way off course.
>
>I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
>info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
>"way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
>originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
>Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
>"way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
>Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
>we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
>way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
>
The flight originated in Orlando and yes, it was WAY off course..
itrade
<dgs...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ITRADE wrote:
> >
> > Ummmm.....When you draw a straight line from MCO to DFW - or even
> > a projection line, you don't come near South Dakota. 'Nuff said.
> Simply saying a crash incurred in SD going to DFW does not indicate
> a "course way off". "Nuff is said and known NOW, but not then.
Actually, the flight was en route to DAL, not DFW....
Rich
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<To...@Fred.Net> wrote in message news:CAgR3.295$YH2.2...@news.abs.net...
itrade
<lm...@city-net.com> wrote:
> ArtP wrote:
> > Without getting to picky. Way off course implies to me an
> > inexplicable situation. But the plan was apparently on course
> based
> > upon the initial course setting. The problems appears to be that
> the
> > crew was unable to change the course at the scheduled time so the
> > autopilot continued on the original
> Well "way off course" in that the plane was supposed to land in
> turn west
> in northern Florida and didn't, which is why people suspect the
> cabin decompression happend while the plane was still over Florida.
> --
Bzzzzt. Thank you for playing. Destination was DAL. Not
IAH, nor HOU, nor another airport in Houston.
Nancy Rudins
Does a Lear jet have a "black box" and data recorder like
passenger jets have?
Kind regards,
Nancy
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Andy
deviating from *required* flight plans, or does not respond to repeated
requests for identification or clarification of deviation from stated flight
plans, will be visually identified by Air Force, or closest military branch
aircraft. If any hostile actions or intent is determined or identified, the
threat will be removed.
99 times out of 100, It's just a guy late reporting or radio problems. This
time, it was not.
Andy
(Retired Marine Corps Air Winger)
<nort...@capeonramp.net.com> wrote in message
news:3814ce00...@news.capeonramp.com...
> The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
> the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
>
> David
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:07:37 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
> <nob...@replay.com> wrote:
>
> >It's clear
> >
> >sport...@aol.comfly (SportKite1) wrote:
> >
> >>So what do you think happened?
> >>Color My Sky, Ellen
> >>http://www.x-kites.com
> >
> >
>
Stan The Man
<nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Does a Lear jet have a "black box" and data recorder like
>passenger jets have?
Some Lear jets do, some don't. I guess it's an 'optional extra' and not
a legal requirement.
Stan
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ITRADE
nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nancy Rudins) wrote:
>
> Does a Lear jet have a "black box" and data recorder like
> passenger jets have?
>
> Nancy
>
Yes, most all do have a CVR. The problem is that some of the CVRs
are a tape loop variety whereby the data is recorded over once every
90 minutes or so. Considering that the plane flew for about four
hours after whatever incident took place, I doubt that the CVR will
be of much use. Of course, the CVR could've been smashed to bits
depending on how hard the impact was - even though CVRs are built
to withstand incredible impact forces.
Bertie the Bunyip
No doubt at all.
Bertie
>Another Rush Limbaugh fan, no doubt.
>
>
Bertie the Bunyip
for the next month or so!
Bertie
Dudley Cornman
> In article <dp3R3.198$md2.2...@newsie.cais.net>, "venividivici"
> <vne...@unitedstatesaviation.com> wrote:
>> No conspiracy here. Good Pilot, Good Airplane, Probably not even
>> pilot
>> error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
>
> Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
> saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
>
What's really scary is this is apparently not the first runaway jet and
may not be the last. Had this plane stayed on course for Dallas, the
Airforce may have had to shoot it down...
What would it take to have a system that would allow the jet figher
piolot to land that plane by remote control? My scenario would have the
airforce plane positioned a few hundred feet over top of the disabled
jet and linked up so that th disabled jet mimiced the movements of the
airforce jet. It may not have saved lives in this case, but it may have
made it much easier to find out what happended it the plane were landed
intact... and it would have removed the brutality of impact.
Why are there not emergency systems in the auto pilot to take the plane
immediately to lower altitudes if pressurization is lost? Why doesn't
the plane's computer system send out a mayday in such a situation? These
things may not have helped in this particular case but potentially could
in less severe cases.
dsc - acssysdsc
William A. T. Clark
<itradeN...@prodigy.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <3814E415...@city-net.com>, "Laurie D. T. Mann"
> <lm...@city-net.com> wrote:
> > ArtP wrote:
> > > Without getting to picky. Way off course implies to me an
> > > inexplicable situation. But the plan was apparently on course
> > based
> > > upon the initial course setting. The problems appears to be that
> > the
> > > crew was unable to change the course at the scheduled time so the
> > > autopilot continued on the original
> > Well "way off course" in that the plane was supposed to land in
> > Houston, not crash in South Dakota. The plane was supposed to
> > turn west
> > in northern Florida and didn't, which is why people suspect the
> > cabin decompression happend while the plane was still over Florida.
> > --
>
> Bzzzzt. Thank you for playing. Destination was DAL. Not
> IAH, nor HOU, nor another airport in Houston.
>
> Rich
>
>
And what the hell difference does it make whether DFW, DAL, or HOU was the
final destination if the plane never made ANY westward turn off its
Orlando - Gainsville route? Brilliant.
William Clark
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Dudley Cornman wrote in message <1CekUN+Fuw$X...@acs.eku.edu>...
William A. T. Clark
<crkr...@toad.net> wrote:
> Fact plane let Orlando to Galesville for left turn toward Dallas.
>
> Fact no contact from plane at Galesville.
>
> Fact Air Force found no exterior damage to aircraft
> Fact Air Force found the windows frosted or smoke covered
>
> How about this,, The Europeans out to get the Ryder Cup Team from the US.
> Not frost or smoke but chemical smoke on the windshield and everybody dead
> before Galesville. Reason the 17 hole party when Justin Leonard cinched it
> the dance over the green before the Spaniard could make his shot. Steward
> the last one to win the Green Jacket, who's next O'mera, Tiger or somebody
> else. I guess we will see from the investigation.
> venividivici <vne...@unitedstatesaviation.com> wrote in message
> news:dp3R3.198$md2.2...@newsie.cais.net...
> > No conspiracy here. Good Pilot, Good Airplane, Probably not even pilot
> > error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
> >
> >
I will assume that this passes for a pathetic attempt at humour.
Fact: pilot requested permission en route to Gainsville to climb to
cruising altitude (ca. 35,000-40,000ft).
Fact: USAF pilots reported no obvious signs of damage, but took video
footage which will be examined more closely. If a door seal failed, then
nothing would likely be seen, anyway.
Likelihood: During that climb some decompression accident occured,
rendering all on board unconscious. Plane is set on autopilot from Orlando
to Gainsville, and continues in straight line, running out of fule over
the Dakotas.
William A. T. Clark
<gle...@edge.net> wrote:
> Del Stanley <dgs...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >itrade wrote:
> >>
> >> Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> >> was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> >> what I'd call way off course.
> >
> >I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
> >info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> >"way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> >originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> >Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
> >"way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
> >Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
> >we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
> >way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
> >
> The flight originated in Orlando and yes, it was WAY off course..
Not if it was flying to Gainsville before turning to Dallas. I belive that
is a standard overland air corridor for that route.
William A. T. Clark
<ITR...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Mark F <m4...@SPAMNO.garlic.com> wrote in article
> <38150bec...@news.garlic.com>...
> > Exactly. Just "'Nuff said" to demonstrate you know nothing at all
> > about aviation.
> >
> > Aircraft travels on "highways" called Airways (low altitude) or
> > Jetways. They don't usually travel in a straight line from MCO to DFW.
> > They were obviously cleared to Gainesville (NNW) then to DFW.
> >
> OK...Then tell me their next VOR waypoint?? According to the news
> they were to make a lefthand turn after GNV - probably TLH before
> continuing
> west. Didn't happen. So, any more insight there Mr. Wise Ass?
>
> Rich
Yes, depressurization occurred before they reached the turn point, and
during their climb to cruising height. This is consistent with the ATCs
inability to contact the crew. So plane stayed on Orlando to Gainsville
vector, ending up in Dakota.
Next question?
Dudley Cornman
> The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
> the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
>
I think they would notice any Lear Jet that far off course... even if
you or I were in it. What they could/would try to do about it... I'm
not sure.
dsc - acssysdsc
Peter Gottlieb
news. It had a CO leak and eventually crashen in NH.
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CJS
Doug Berry wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:57:21 -0400, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei...@videotron.ca> channeled Elvis who passed this
> on:
>
> >Doug Berry wrote:
> >> Trust me, if you are in an aircraft that is not answering radio
> >> hails, is ignoring ATC, and is wandering through a busy airspace,
> >> somebody is going to come up and take a look.
> >
> >Considering that the remnants of the plane won't reveal that much, I am
> >wondering if the chase planes had, as a task, to film as much of the >aircraft as possible to aid in the NTSB's investigation ?
>
> It would be helpful, though I don't think that any of the
> USAF/ANG aircraft used had the right equipment. They may have to
> rely on the pilot's testimony.
According to the Chicago Tribune this morning, the F-16s filmed the plane for the investigators. Of course, we all know how
accurate reporters are when it comes to aviation matters...
Cheers...Craig
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Dudley Cornman wrote:
> In article <000b8d9b...@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com>, itrade <itradeN...@prodigy.net.invalid> writes:
> > In article <dp3R3.198$md2.2...@newsie.cais.net>, "venividivici"
> > <vne...@unitedstatesaviation.com> wrote:
> >> No conspiracy here. Good Pilot, Good Airplane, Probably not even
> >> pilot
> >> error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
> >
> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > what I'd call way off course. What's even more chilling - literally -
> > is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
> > saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
> >
>
> What's really scary is this is apparently not the first runaway jet and
> may not be the last. Had this plane stayed on course for Dallas, the
> Airforce may have had to shoot it down...
>
> What would it take to have a system that would allow the jet figher
> piolot to land that plane by remote control? My scenario would have the
> airforce plane positioned a few hundred feet over top of the disabled
> jet and linked up so that th disabled jet mimiced the movements of the
> airforce jet. It may not have saved lives in this case, but it may have
> made it much easier to find out what happended it the plane were landed
> intact... and it would have removed the brutality of impact.
>
> Why are there not emergency systems in the auto pilot to take the plane
> immediately to lower altitudes if pressurization is lost? Why doesn't
> the plane's computer system send out a mayday in such a situation? These
> things may not have helped in this particular case but potentially could
> in less severe cases.
Ah, another newbie. At least this is somewhat beyond the ejection seats in airliners discussion of the year
past. What you're talking about is an incredibly complex, expensive, and heavy system with no upside. How many
of these events happen? One or two per decade? And you want to equip every plane in the world (including
military fighters) with a flight follower system??? Care to explain how that's going to work? What's the
tradeoff in terms of payload? What are the accident statistics for accidents of this type (hint: The NTSB
database will tell you). Please do some homework.
CJS
> The 'Air Force' did not "scramble" aircraft,
> the Guard Unit was training in the area.
> Thing that sucks is if it were you or me,
> nobody go looking, no CNN, no News Center 5.
I'll assume that you are just bitter and ignorant. Any
suspected out-of-control aircraft would receive an
escort. The purpose is to shoot down the plane if it is
in danger of crashing in a populated area. The FAA
monitors flights, and IFR flights which fail to respond
warrant attention.
CJS
Gary Watson wrote:
> It is somewhat difficult to hide in a cabin that is just slightly larger
> than you living room sofa.
Remember that you're talking to someone who's knowledge of airplanes comes
from TV. *Every* TV program shows small jets having cavernous interiors, so
it must be right.
Cheers...Craig
CJS
> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:48:53 GMT, (machogrande) wrote:
>
> No doubt at all.
I'm waiting for Tarver to claim that the problem was asymmetric splap deployment.
It's too bad the creeps are already coming out of the woodwork with bizarre
xenophobic conspiracy theories. Is it too much to ask that they all shoot each
other over Y2K?
Joe Pucillo
In a previous article, Tim said...
> Stan The Man wrote:
> > All the
> > crew and passengers had perished half an hour after takeoff when the
> > cabin depressurised suddenly at 45000 ft, causing the moisture in the
> > air to freeze.
> Since the last clearance was to 39,000 feet, how do you figure that the
> cabin depressurized "suddenly" at 45,000 ft??? Don't quit your day job.
45,000 feet? 39,000 feet? What is the ceiling on those things?
JP
George R. Patterson III
>
> But, I don't understand why a know-it-all asshole like you bothers
> reading it. After all I'm sure you're familiar with everything!
No, I don't know it all. But I don't imply that someone else doesn't
know what they're talking about just because I'm too lazy to read the
references they have posted.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Colin Rasmussen
itrade wrote:
> In article <dp3R3.198$md2.2...@newsie.cais.net>, "venividivici"
> <vne...@unitedstatesaviation.com> wrote:
> > No conspiracy here. Good Pilot, Good Airplane, Probably not even
> > pilot
> > error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
>
> Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> what I'd call way off course. What's even more chilling - literally -
> is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
> saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
Just read who posted the suggestion that it might be suicide. That pretty much
sums up how credible that theory is.
Colin Rasmussen
Del Stanley wrote:
> itrade wrote:
> >
> > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > what I'd call way off course.
>
> I will admit I am not familiar with the details, but what other
> info do you have to suggest that crashing in South Dakota is
> "way off course" going to DFW (Dallas/Ft. Worth)? If the flight
> originated in Canada (Minitoba or Saskatchewan), or in North
> Dakota, or even in South Dakota it would not necessarily be
> "way off course". If you tell me he started in Oregon, or
> Idaho, I would agree. But unless we know the point of origin
> we don't know if he was way off course. He may indeed been
> way off, but nothing in your post suggest that he was.
The point of origin was Florida. The plane continued on the last
heading it ws flying when contact with the crew was lost. It wasn't
actually off-course.
R. Halim
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hat, etc. He came from the 17th century england !
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<I_am_Re...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I just heard on the radio that it is now believed that the 6th passenger was
>NOT the golf course designer, Bruce Borland. It is now believed that the 6th
>passenger was possibly a deranged Stewart fan, or even (horror the thought)
>a person of Chinese background acting in retaliation for Payne's racist
>comments on ESPN last week. A body part, of different skin-tone was
>identified at the crash site in Mina, South Dakota, believed to be of Asian
>pigment. (Something to consider: perhaps this person was a 7th person on the
>plane??... but I'll continue with "6th" for the purpose of this post)
>
>This 6th passenger who somehow managed to sneak on board before the flight
>left the Orlando airport. Once they were in the air, it is believed
>he(/she?) came out from their hiding place and for whatever reason, fired a
>shot/shots from a gun. A stray bullet punctured the Lear's fuselage,
>resulting in rapid decompression of the cabin compartment. It is still
>unknown if the plane's passengers died as a result of gunshots, or due to
>the rapid decompression, resulting in loss of oxygen, along with extreme
>coldness (up to -50ºF). At an altitude of 30,000 feet, there is only enough
>oxygen for survival of approximately 30 seconds; at 45,000 feet, the
>passengers would only have lived for approximately 15 seconds.
>
>This sounds very logical. It would explain why radio contact was lost
>shortly after Gainesville, Florida - obviously the 6th passenger came out
>from hiding, or was discovered. Possibly, the pilot put the plane on
>auto-pilot when a melee ensued in the cabin. I'm just theorizing here, but
>perhaps the assailant shot at the pilot as he attempted to subdue him. Most
>likely, everyone would have been incapacitated immediately, or perhaps a
>frantic struggle followed - but oxygen ran out, and all died moments later.
>The windows frosted over due to the decompression, and obviously, there was
>no time to send a distress signal (not that it would have done much good).
>
>What remains to be asked - who was the 6th passenger, and what was their
>motive for wanted Payne dead? Was the body part found in the field in Mina
>really of Asian origin (guess DNA tests will prove it?), and even if it is,
>does it prove anything? Who was on board (still to be 100% confirmed), who
>was shot, and if there was gunshot wounds, were they fatal, or were all the
>deaths due to the decompressurization of the cabin? I guess autopsy results
>may provide more clues.
>
>Until then, it gives us some things to think about.....
>
>Btw... I'm not really a golf fan - I could identify 3 golfers: Jack
>Nicklaus(sp?), Tiger Woods (that's an easy one!), and Payne Stewart because
>of the funky clothing. A sad day, anyhow.
>
>RenegadeX
>
>
ITRADE
clar...@osu.edu (William A. T. Clark) wrote:
> In article <01bf1f5e$771dece0$3d8b9cd1@default>, "ITRADE"
> <ITR...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > Mark F <m4...@SPAMNO.garlic.com> wrote in article
> > <38150bec...@news.garlic.com>...
> > > Exactly. Just "'Nuff said" to demonstrate you know nothing at all
> > > about aviation.
> > >
> > > Aircraft travels on "highways" called Airways (low altitude) or
> > > Jetways. They don't usually travel in a straight line from MCO to
DFW.
> > > They were obviously cleared to Gainesville (NNW) then to DFW.
> > >
> > OK...Then tell me their next VOR waypoint?? According to the news
> > they were to make a lefthand turn after GNV - probably TLH before
> > continuing
> > west. Didn't happen. So, any more insight there Mr. Wise Ass?
> >
> > Rich
>
> Yes, depressurization occurred before they reached the turn point, and
> during their climb to cruising height. This is consistent with the
ATCs
> inability to contact the crew. So plane stayed on Orlando to
Gainsville
> vector, ending up in Dakota.
>
Julio
<joe...@bainbridge.net> wrote:
> The flight originated in Florida and was definitely off course...
Not necessarily. Coming out of Orlando on an IFR flight plan he would
probably be on a victor airway towards the north, then at some
intersection the would turn westward towards Dallas. If they became
incapacited or died before the turn westward the plane would have
continued straight. I believe that is the reason they send the F-16 to
investigate, no comunication and no turn.
Julio
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address the other idea then.. if the cockpit pressure falls below a certain
point (craft is depressurized)
the autopilot causes the craft to descend to a lower altitude unless
overridden..
pressure sensor connected to some new auto pilot programming code..
THAT would not be excessively expensive to add..
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CJS <cshield...@graymills.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Dudley Cornman wrote:
>
> > In article <000b8d9b...@usw-ex0102-010.remarq.com>, itrade
<itradeN...@prodigy.net.invalid> writes:
> > > In article <dp3R3.198$md2.2...@newsie.cais.net>, "venividivici"
> > > <vne...@unitedstatesaviation.com> wrote:
> > >> No conspiracy here. Good Pilot, Good Airplane, Probably not even
> > >> pilot
> > >> error. Probably mechanical trouble such as cabin pressure &
> > >
> > > Holy crap. Just read the inital synopsis off cnn.com. The plane
> > > was going to DFW and wound up crashing in South Dakota. That's
> > > what I'd call way off course. What's even more chilling - literally -
> > > is that the USAF scrambled two F-16s to inspect the Lear jet and
> > > saw the windows to be frosted over. Very freaky.
> > >
> >
KRC
<I_am_Re...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I just heard on the radio that it is now believed that the 6th passenger was
>NOT the golf course designer, Bruce Borland. It is now believed that the 6th
>passenger was possibly a deranged Stewart fan, or even (horror the thought)
>a person of Chinese background acting in retaliation for Payne's racist
>comments on ESPN last week. A body part, of different skin-tone was
>identified at the crash site in Mina, South Dakota, believed to be of Asian
>pigment. (Something to consider: perhaps this person was a 7th person on the
>plane??... but I'll continue with "6th" for the purpose of this post)
>
>This 6th passenger who somehow managed to sneak on board before the flight
>left the Orlando airport. Once they were in the air, it is believed
>he(/she?) came out from their hiding place and for whatever reason, fired a
>shot/shots from a gun. A stray bullet punctured the Lear's fuselage,
>resulting in rapid decompression of the cabin compartment. It is still
>unknown if the plane's passengers died as a result of gunshots, or due to
>the rapid decompression, resulting in loss of oxygen, along with extreme
>coldness (up to -50ºF). At an altitude of 30,000 feet, there is only enough
>oxygen for survival of approximately 30 seconds; at 45,000 feet, the
>passengers would only have lived for approximately 15 seconds.
Obviously someone who's never been aboard a Lear 35 - where was this
person hiding? In the little 2' tall fridge in the back? Why not
just shoot him on the tarmac? Some people just have too much free
time.
KRC
KRC
wrote:
>It is somewhat difficult to hide in a cabin that is just slightly larger
>than you living room sofa.
And this will undoubtedly be the response - "The killer was Asian,
they're all small, he could have hid in the fridge."
KRC
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>Remember how he always dressed in 17th or 18th century baggy pants and
>hat, etc. He came from the 17th century england !
>Yesterday, he returned back to his own time... using a special time
>machine !
>Get it ?
Izzat so? I thought it had something to do with either Reverse Vampires or the
Atomic Mole people from the planet Paranoimia!
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>final destination if the plane never made ANY westward turn off its
>Orlando - Gainsville route? Brilliant.
>
It's true destination turned out to be the ground. Just remember, Trains go
THRU mountains, not into them.
John Mazor
>Well, I guess I'm pretty much gaurunteed a fresh new crop of loonies
>for the next month or so!
It's Nature's way. Anytime there's a gap in the ecological order,
something will rush in to fill the void. We were running low on
loons, and voila!
KRC
wrote:
>
>Does a Lear jet have a "black box" and data recorder like
>passenger jets have?
Yeah, CVRs are on some models, but even if this one had one, it
would be useless. CVRs recycle after a certain amount of time -
generally every 30 minutes, but new ones go as long as 120 minutes -
the tape would have recycled several times before the crash, so we
would never have found out why contact was lost near Gainesville.
KRC
Bob Gardner
spoilers, roll into a 60 degree bank, and essentially fall out of the sky. The
autopilot is not designed for such extreme maneuvers, and loss of pressurization
coupled with pilot incapacitation is so statistically unlikely that
reprogramming of the autopilot logic seems unlikely---a/p can't hang out the
spoilers anyway.
Bob Gardner
Volfie
>the
>spoilers, roll into a 60 degree bank, and essentially fall out of the sky.
WHOAAA! Too much information there, bud!
Volfie -> cancel my 6pm flight, please
ANT The Monarch of Menace
after a catastrophic deprssurization of the cabin is a reasonable idea. Should
be quite inexpensive and a simple thing to engineer and retrofit. Can't see it
taking up too much room nor decreasing payload either.
While we're on the subject of safety--what about the fact that most exterior
lights on on aircraft fall below the required minimum in brilliance? I remember
seeing a report on this on 60 Minutes (or one of those clone shows).
itrade
clar...@osu.edu (William A. T. Clark) wrote:
> <itradeN...@prodigy.net.invalid> wrote:
SNIP
> >
> > Bzzzzt. Thank you for playing. Destination was DAL. Not
> > IAH, nor HOU, nor another airport in Houston.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> And what the hell difference does it make whether DFW, DAL, or HOU
> was the
> final destination if the plane never made ANY westward turn off its
> Orlando - Gainsville route? Brilliant.
So, what if I were to say that you were an 11 year old? While not
technically correct, it's in the ballpark because you are some age.
Same analogy, I guess...
Rich
itrade
Oh wait, though? Did he accept Jesus as his Saviour before the
incident? And are we sure that the aircraft wasn't piloted by
Mohammed Daoud? And was there a great cabal and a couple Black
Helicopters in tow?
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>they're all small, he could have hid in the fridge."
Maybe he was inside a fortune cookie?
ANT The Monarch of Menace
>
Ice (Frost) covered windows. I should think that's quite a reliable indicator.