OT - Barry McGuire To Old for New Zealand
Bob Feigel
parasites wherever you go.)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3461291a1860,00.html
Singing star quits NZ in immigration protest
SUNDAY , 30 OCTOBER 2005
By TONY WALL
A fourth generation Kiwi has renounced her citizenship after a
year-long battle with the Immigration Service over getting residency
for her husband of 32 years.
Mari McGuire says she is ashamed to be a Kiwi.
McGuire's husband, American folk singing star Barry McGuire, has been
refused permanent residency because the service says his age - 70 -
and heart condition would make him a burden on the health system.
McGuire, who had a US No 1 hit in 1965 with the anti-war song Eve of
Destruction, has a pacemaker.
The couple's $1 million-plus home - built on the Whangaparaoa
Peninsula north of Auckland 18 months ago - goes up for auction today.
They will return to California.
The issue of health screening for immigrants was highlighted last week
by a Sunday Star-Times article which revealed a deaf South African
girl, allegedly killed by her father, had also been classified a
possible burden on the state.
The Immigration Service is introducing tougher health screening for
migrants aimed at weeding out those with TB and HIV, but also anyone
who could be a burden on the state, including children with
developmental delays and people with dementia.
McGuire, whose two adult children have New Zealand citizenship, said
he felt for the South African family.
"What they (immigration) are doing is playing games with people's
lives. Why didn't they tell the family before they got here they might
not be able to stay? They don't give a fig about people, it's all
politics and money."
McGuire has been a permanent resident in New Zealand before - he and
Mari lived here for six years in the 1980s. He says his pacemaker
corrects a faulty nerve and his heart is otherwise in good shape.
"They (the government) are quite happy to tax my worldwide income,
including royalties from 40 years ago, but they don't want me to have
access to the health system.
"I'm certainly not going to be a financial burden on this country.
I've poured a ton of finances into this country and I've contributed a
lot."
McGuire said although he did not have a full-time job, he continued to
play music and had entertained about 20,000 New Zealand school
children.
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters, a fan of McGuire's music, had
promised to help McGuire obtain re-entry visas so he could continue to
visit. Peters said it was too late now, but he believed McGuire could
have mounted a strong case for residency based on his continuing
royalty payments.
Immigration spokeswoman Mary Anne Thompson said health screening of
immigrants was a fine balance between what a person contributed to
society and what they cost. She said research showed visitors spent
around $6.5 billion a year in New Zealand, but also sucked about $24
million a year out of the health system.
She said a guideline had been established under which somebody who was
likely to cost the health system $25,000 or more over four years would
probably be rejected. Doctors, not the department, assessed a person's
health requirements, and cumulative health problems were the most
likely impediments.
"You could be obese and be fine, but you could also be obese and have
high blood pressure and palpitations which altogether means you
probably do have a problem. That would be a higher level of
unacceptable risk."
Where disabled children's parents were working and paying taxes, the
cost of the dependants was weighed against the family's "positive
contribution". Waivers could be applied for. The very sick, including
those in end-stage renal failure or needing a heart transplant, would
be excluded.
In last week's text poll, "should disabled people be barred from
immigrating to NZ", 59.5 per cent said yes, 40.5 per cent no.
"It's not that I'm afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens." - Woody Allen
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MWB
Bills. Yeah, my bloods so mad feels like coagulatin.......I forget where was
I?
I remember now.
Over and over and over my friends, I've said our health system is weak at
best.
Somehow it works.
GO PATRIOTS
Mark
Brian Watson
"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
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> (Just goes to prove that bureaucrats can be worthless braindead
> parasites wherever you go.)
Whereas the ordinary people of NZ are SO much nicer and not at all
selfish.......
> In last week's text poll, "should disabled people be barred from
> immigrating to NZ", 59.5 per cent said yes, 40.5 per cent no.
It's that ol' Not In MY Back Yard thing again.
--
Brian
Sig: <<I have nothing more to say>>
S.
"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
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> parasites wherever you go.)
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3461291a1860,00.html
>
> Singing star quits NZ in immigration protest
>
> SUNDAY , 30 OCTOBER 2005
>
> By TONY WALL
> A fourth generation Kiwi has renounced her citizenship after a
> year-long battle with the Immigration Service over getting residency
> for her husband of 32 years.
>
> Mari McGuire says she is ashamed to be a Kiwi.
>
> McGuire's husband, American folk singing star Barry McGuire, has been
> refused permanent residency because the service says his age - 70 -
> and heart condition would make him a burden on the health system.
> McGuire, who had a US No 1 hit in 1965 with the anti-war song Eve of
> Destruction, has a pacemaker.
>
This is all well and good, but displays an absence of any understanding
whatsoever.
NZ has a socialised system of medicine as we (UK) do. Totally funded by the
taxpayer. It is NOT repeat NOT a bottomless pit.
90% of health expenditure occurs on citizens (on average) in the last 10
years of their life..................................
J. Eric Durbin
>
>"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
>news:m81bm15jh0kqigc41...@4ax.com...
>> (Just goes to prove that bureaucrats can be worthless braindead
>> parasites wherever you go.)
>>
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3461291a1860,00.html
>> McGuire's husband, American folk singing star Barry McGuire, has been
>> refused permanent residency because the service says his age - 70 -
>> and heart condition would make him a burden on the health system.
>> McGuire, who had a US No 1 hit in 1965 with the anti-war song Eve of
>> Destruction, has a pacemaker.
>>
>
>This is all well and good, but displays an absence of any understanding
>whatsoever.
>
>NZ has a socialised system of medicine as we (UK) do. Totally funded by the
>taxpayer. It is NOT repeat NOT a bottomless pit.
>
>90% of health expenditure occurs on citizens (on average) in the last 10
>years of their life..................................
Would he be required to use the socialized mmedical services?
In the Netherlands, which also has a socialised system of medicine,
one can opt for private insurance if you are fiancially able to do so.
It appears that McGuire could do so given he and his wife could afford
a million plus dollar home. Even if we are talking NZ dollars that's
still around USD700,000 to 800,000. Unless he is trying to make some
political point.
William Brownstein
You all saw what happened when someone posted off topic about the "GET
DUMB" tv star. Within a month or two the old fart croaked. The nudniks
here haven't learned. Maybe McGuire will be next just like Adams was
given the kiss of death by me.
Jim Beaver
"William Brownstein" <William_B...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Such off-topic BS here.
>
> You all saw what happened when someone posted off topic about the "GET
> DUMB" tv star. Within a month or two the old fart croaked. The nudniks
> here haven't learned. Maybe McGuire will be next just like Adams was
> given the kiss of death by me.
Well, if there's a chance your theory works, here goes: William Brownstein,
William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William
Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein,
William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William
Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein,
William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William Brownstein, William
Brownstein, William Brownstein.
William Brownstein
booking agent.
Nice to see you back from sitting shiva.
Barbara Sherrill
"Jim Beaver" <jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message
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Jim ignore him..... He is easily kilfiled. How is the family doing?
Bob Feigel
>
>"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
>news:m81bm15jh0kqigc41...@4ax.com...
>> (Just goes to prove that bureaucrats can be worthless braindead
>> parasites wherever you go.)
>>
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3461291a1860,00.html
>>
>> Singing star quits NZ in immigration protest
>>
>> SUNDAY , 30 OCTOBER 2005
>>
>> By TONY WALL
>> A fourth generation Kiwi has renounced her citizenship after a
>> year-long battle with the Immigration Service over getting residency
>> for her husband of 32 years.
>>
>> Mari McGuire says she is ashamed to be a Kiwi.
>>
>> McGuire's husband, American folk singing star Barry McGuire, has been
>> refused permanent residency because the service says his age - 70 -
>> and heart condition would make him a burden on the health system.
>> McGuire, who had a US No 1 hit in 1965 with the anti-war song Eve of
>> Destruction, has a pacemaker.
>>
>
>This is all well and good, but displays an absence of any understanding
>whatsoever.
>
>NZ has a socialised system of medicine as we (UK) do. Totally funded by the
>taxpayer. It is NOT repeat NOT a bottomless pit.
Fortunately, NZ's public health system still manages to provide a much
higher standard of service than the British system on which it was
based. But you're right, it is publicly funded and until just recently
it was available to *anyone*, including visitors, many of whom took
advantage of the system. In fact, quite a number of Americans, Asians
and Polynesians would travel to NZ specifically to have free treatment
... or to have babies (who would be NZ citizens). When the hospitals
initiated a user pays policy for non-residents, the visitors would
simply leave the country without paying their bills.
However, Barry McGuire pays taxes here and has done so for many years.
I also understand that he has private health insurance, which anyone
who can afford to do it is advised to take out. Otherwise, you are
looking at long waiting lists for treatment from the public health
system. The idea that Barry (I interviewed him back in the
mid-sixites) would be a burden on the system is ludicrous and our
current socialist government knows it. If anything, they want to make
an example of him BECAUSE he's got money.
MWB
"Jim Beaver" <jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message
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>
Jim, this is the chance to prove to people that pigs will eat a human.
You take his feet, I'll take his hands. One....Two...
Mark
Bob Feigel
<zyz...@plenipotentiary.com.invalid> magnanimously proffered:
It is clear that Barry McGuire could afford private healthcare,
whether he's covered by private health insurance or chooses to pay for
it himself.
No ... I don't think he and his wife are trying to make a political
point, I think it's our current socialist government and the
bureaucrats who thrive at the public trough.
In NZ it's called the "Tall Poppy" syndrome - which means any "Poppy"
that has the audacity to grow taller than all the others has to be cut
down to size by the socialists and their supporters to maintain the
status quo (mediocrity and a dependence on welfare and government
support).
It's "tax the rich to pay the poor" taken to it's most absurd "killing
the goose that lays the golden egg" conclusion. IMO Barry McGuire is a
victim of his own success and socialist envy.
MWB
"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
Why is his house up for auction and not for sale? Does he owe back taxes?
Mark
Bob Feigel
magnanimously proffered:
>
>Why is his house up for auction and not for sale? Does he owe back taxes?
Going to auction is the preferred method of selling "high-ticket"
properties in New Zealand, but "sale by tender" is also gaining
popularity.
We've auctioned three properties over the past ten years, and, after
the agent's commission and marketing expenses, we probably ended up a
bit better off than a we would have had we done with a straight sale.
But it was very stressful and I very much doubt that we'll be putting
ourselves through that kind of pressure-cooker again. Next time we'll
put a price on the bloody thing and leave all the stress to the
realtors.
MWB
"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
Thanks for straightening that out. When a property goes for auction here, it
is usually through a bankruptcy.
Mark
Bob Feigel
magnanimously proffered:
>
>"Bob Feigel" <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:27:53 GMT, "MWB" <mark.b...@verizon.net>
>> magnanimously proffered:
>>>
>>>Why is his house up for auction and not for sale? Does he owe back taxes?
>>
>> Going to auction is the preferred method of selling "high-ticket"
>> properties in New Zealand, but "sale by tender" is also gaining
>> popularity.
>>
>> We've auctioned three properties over the past ten years, and, after
>> the agent's commission and marketing expenses, we probably ended up a
>> bit better off than a we would have had we done with a straight sale.
>> But it was very stressful and I very much doubt that we'll be putting
>> ourselves through that kind of pressure-cooker again. Next time we'll
>> put a price on the bloody thing and leave all the stress to the
>> realtors.
>
>Thanks for straightening that out. When a property goes for auction here, it
>is usually through a bankruptcy.
Ah! That can also happen here too. It's called a "mortgagee sale" -
although these days even the banks try to avoid going to that extreme
due to the bad publicity a few years ago when it was revealed that
some foreclosure properties were purchased at ridiculously low prices
by people who worked for the very bank that foreclosed ... or for the
real estate company auctioning the properties on behalf of the banks.
In one particularly nasty case I remember, the auction wasn't even
advertised and the guy who bought the property with a low bid (and
nobody to bid against him) was the same guy who signed the foreclosure
papers. Naughty-naughty!