Arthur MacArthur III?
Bruce
wondering if his son, Arthur MacArthur is still living...
Erwin eas
now. Last I heard he was working as a musician in NYC. He looks exactly like
his mother Jean who is now 100 and still alive. You can visit the Memorial Bldg
in Norfolk, VA.
Erwin Arthur Siegel, Alexandria, Virginia USA
fly...@pacbell.net
>
> Yes, General MacArthur's son Arthur is still alive and would be about 60 or 61
> now. Last I heard he was working as a musician in NYC.
from what i gathered from the pbs show, arthur was something of a
momma's boy, as he'd rather give piano recitals, as jean wanted, than
jump horses, as the general wanted; the General dreamed of arthur
following in his footsteps by going to west point and becoming yet
another macarthur "man of destiny." the general must've been
disappointed that his son and only child decided to *wimp out* instead!
jba...@mindspring.com
Bruce wrote in message <3749D1...@usa.net>...
>With the broadcast of PBS's new biography of Gen MacArthur, I was
>wondering if his son, Arthur MacArthur is still living...
Yes, he is, but he's Arthur MacArthur IV. Arthur III was Douglas' older
brother, Arthur Jr. was Douglas' father, and Arthur Sr. was a
judge/political figure in Milwaukee.
Or at least, he was born Arthur MacArthur IV. It's been reported that after
the General's death, Arthur took an assumed name and became a musician. I
wonder what name he now uses...? The name of MacArthur is a very famous one
in U.S. and world history.
Jack
Brad Ferguson
<jba...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Bruce wrote in message <3749D1...@usa.net>...
> >With the broadcast of PBS's new biography of Gen MacArthur, I was
> >wondering if his son, Arthur MacArthur is still living...
>
> Yes, he is, but he's Arthur MacArthur IV. Arthur III was Douglas' older
> brother, Arthur Jr. was Douglas' father, and Arthur Sr. was a
> judge/political figure in Milwaukee.
>
> Or at least, he was born Arthur MacArthur IV.
What about that bit where, when Sr. dies, everyone after him moves up a
notch? Although that's largely ignored these days, perhaps it wasn't
when Arthur Sr. died.
jba...@mindspring.com
Brad Ferguson wrote in message <250519990146321876%thir...@frXOXed.net>...
>
>What about that bit where, when Sr. dies, everyone after him moves up a
>notch? Although that's largely ignored these days, perhaps it wasn't
>when Arthur Sr. died.
Can't say as I've ever heard of that. Since the postnominal is a part of
the name, recorded on the birth certificate and all, I don't know how it
could work that way. If I were a Junior, or III, or IV, just because my
father dies I don't become Senior, or Junior, or III.
But then, I could be wrong...
Jack
Louis Epstein
:
: Brad Ferguson wrote in message <250519990146321876%thir...@frXOXed.net>...
: Jack
It's sort of an old-fashioned society thing to move up a notch,
but not generally practiced.
Brad Ferguson
wrote:
Not these days. What I'm suggesting is that it _was_ practiced when
the original MacArthur Sr. died, which moved everyone up a notch, and
not observed thereafter. That might account for Arthur MacArthur IV
having become a III, since someone spotted an apparent discrepancy.
jba...@mindspring.com
Brad Ferguson wrote in message <250519992133435279%thir...@frXOXed.net>...
>
>Not these days. What I'm suggesting is that it _was_ practiced when
>the original MacArthur Sr. died, which moved everyone up a notch, and
>not observed thereafter. That might account for Arthur MacArthur IV
>having become a III, since someone spotted an apparent discrepancy.
A bit more research (I love doing research) shows that Lieutenant General
Arthur MacArthur Junior, son of the judge, never dropped the "Jr." from his
name and "moved up," as indeed was a custom of the time. After the judge's
death, he was simply referred to as Arthur, not Arthur Jr.
His son, Arthur III (brother of Douglas) was a naval officer who not only
never dropped the postnominal, he used it proudly. He died before having a
son, and it was left to Douglas to father Arthur IV.
Wonder what Arthur IV named his son, if indeed he had any? Is there an
Arthur MacArthur V out there somewhere?
Can you tell that I am an ardent admirer of General MacArthur? :-)
Jack
theresa
> Arthur MacArthur V out there somewhere?
>
Mmmmm -- don't hold your breath
jba...@mindspring.com
theresa wrote in message <374BA489...@earthlink.net>...
>> Wonder what Arthur IV named his son, if indeed he had any? Is there an
>> Arthur MacArthur V out there somewhere?
>>
>
>Mmmmm -- don't hold your breath
>
You speak as if you know something you're not sharing...
Jack
theresa
Sorry --
It's just rumors that he's gay have been floating around for years, even hinted to in the Manchester
biography "MacArthur."
Yet, that was unfair of me. Gay or not, he could well have produced a child...
meg...@hotmail.com
President Theodore Roosevelt was a Junior, but dropped it when his
father died.
His eldest son became TR Jr, and due to his father's prominence,
retained the Jr to his death. Incidentally, he received the Medal of
Honor posthumously, for his actions on Utah Beach. He was the only
General Officer to get his feet wet early in the invasion.
Later generations got numbers.
1. Theodore Roosevelt (1831-1878)
2. President Theodore Roosevelt (Jr until 1878) (1858-1919)
3. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (1887-1944)
4. Theodore Roosevelt III (1914- )
5. Theodore Roosevelt IV (1942- )
6. Theodore Roosevelt V (after 1970- )
Louis Epstein
: Regarding the dropping of the Junior, etc.:
Ulysses S. Grant III and Ulysses S. Grant IV were both grandsons of
the President,named by order of birth.
William Randolph Hearst II and William Randolph Hearst III are both
grandsons of the founding W.R. Hearst,II was born earlier,I think,but
there the reason is that III was the son of Jr.,and II the son of a son
with another name.
The Fords have had
Henry Ford
|
Edsel Ford
|
Henry Ford II
|
Edsel Ford II
|
Henry Ford III
(No idea if Henry III,who I think is old enough now,has started work for
the company,now chaired by his father's first cousin William Jr.)
Hamilton Fish(1808-93),once Governor of New York,served in Congress.
His son(1849-1936),HIS son(1888-1991),and *HIS* son(1926-96) all served
in Congress(as Republicans),under the name Hamilton Fish Jr....
which was also used by the Democrat son of the last named in a 1996
race,but he lost.
meg...@hotmail.com
>His son(1849-1936),HIS son(1888-1991),and *HIS* son(1926-96) all served
>in Congress(as Republicans),under the name Hamilton Fish Jr....
>which was also used by the Democrat son of the last named in a 1996
>race,but he lost.
There was also a member of this family who was known as Preserved Fish
jba...@mindspring.com
meg...@hotmail.com wrote in message <37615ffb....@News.sig.net>...
As well as a Jewish cousin named Gefilte Fish. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Back to the original idea here...it's true that Pres. Theodore Roosevelt was
a Junior and that he dropped the Junior from his name after his father died,
and I've learned that it was something of a custom of the time. I stand
corrected from an earlier post where I said I'd never heard of that.
But it wasn't universally practiced; more of an individual thing. And my
research into MacArthur shows that their family did not use it. Lt. Gen.
Arthur MacArthur, Jr., never dropped the postnominal from his name; Captain
Arthur MacArthur III, U.S. Navy, always referred to himself as "the third,"
and the son of Gen. Douglas MacArthur was Arthur IV until he changed his
name after the general's death.
And you can't tell the players without a scorecard....
Jack
meg...@hotmail.com
>And you can't tell the players without a scorecard....
>
Very true. To go back to the TR example, the New York Public Library
Union Catalog in the 60's seemed confused about who wrote which books:
President TR was a prolific author, but so was Brig. Gen. TR, Jr., and
the famous son was overshadowed by the more famous father.
Fantomas
>
> >Hamilton Fish(1808-93),once Governor of New York,served in Congress.
> >His son(1849-1936),HIS son(1888-1991),and *HIS* son(1926-96) all served
> >in Congress(as Republicans),under the name Hamilton Fish Jr....
> >which was also used by the Democrat son of the last named in a 1996
> >race,but he lost.
>
> There was also a member of this family who was known as Preserved Fish
Which should have been the name of the most infamous member of
the family, the executed murderer and child molestor Albert Fish.