tracy-hepburn child?
ru...@my-deja.com
According to the post, katharine Houghton, known as Hepburn's "niece"
is in fact their birth daughter. Houghton appeared in "Guess Who's
Coming To Dinner?" with Tracy & Hepburn. After I read the post, I saw
the film again and was amazed how Houghton resembled both Tracy &
Hepburn!!! Interestingly, Kate did not work for at least a year after
her Broadway play " Without Love" was closed in Feb,1943.
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Terrymelin
Post, New York Post, or anonymous post on the internet by some idiot?
Terry Ellsworth
Lisa Davidson
the late 1960's.
ru...@my-deja.com
parents were Tracy & Hepburn, just like Judy Lewis, daughter of Clark
Gable & Loretta Young did? I think Houghton recently appeared in a play
called "Best Kept Secret" written by her.Interesting title. I don't
understand why Tracy & Hepburn could not married.
Terrymelin
>the late 1960's.
>
Fairly common among who?
Terry Ellsworth
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marry Katherine Hepburn.
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>Do you think maybe Houhgton will write a book revealing that her
>parents were Tracy & Hepburn, just like Judy Lewis, daughter of Clark
>Gable & Loretta Young did? I think Houghton recently appeared in a play
>called "Best Kept Secret" written by her.Interesting title. I don't
>understand why Tracy & Hepburn could not married.
Despite living together for 30 years, Tracy & Hepburn never married because he
never divorced his wife. In Hepburn's wonderful autobiography, "Me," she
speculates that it may have been because the wife didn't want a divorce. (I
believe the Tracy's were Catholic and the church is against divorce.) The
Tracys also had a handicapped son which could be another reason he was
reluctant to leave the marriage. Hepburnsaid she never pushed for him to
divorce his wife and marry her, and he died in the home they shared. According
to Hepburn's book, after Tracy's death his wife told Hepburn that she thought
she was "just a rumor."
PSierut
ran a bit in her column that said something like, "Katharine Hepburn and her
good friend, ABC newsgal Cynthia McFadden, have started the rumor that Cynthia
is really the illegitimate daughter of Kate and her beloved Spencer Tracy.
It's not true, but they both have gotten a big kick out of watching the rumor
spread like wildfire." A couple months ago one of the tabloids had an article
saying that Hepburn has named McFadden the executor of her estate and has left
the bulk of it to McFadden as well. I think the tabloid even brought up the
"illegitimate child" rumor, but added that it really isn't true. Somehow I
doubt that if Katharine Hepburn really had a secret child she'd be making jokes
about it with McFadden and putting the idea into people's heads.
PSierut
<<Spencer Tracy was Catholic, and would not divorce his wife in order to
marry Katherine Hepburn.>>
In other words, he thought adultery was okay...but figured he'd go to hell if
he got a divorce. : )
CassidyS
Are you sure they lived together? It has always been my impression that they
did not.
Cassidy
Human32011
Yes,they lived together. Here is a passage from page 403 of the "hardcover"
edition of Hepburn's autobiography, "Me" (which I recommended in my previous
post) in which she details what happened on the discovery that Tracy had passed
away:
"What should I do now? Call the family? Call Stanley Kramer? Move
out--no--yes--then call. Phyllis came. We moved all my stuff--clothes,
personal stuff--out into my car. Then I though--God--God--Kath--what are you
doing--you've lived with this man for almost thirty years. This is your home.
Isn't it? It is part of you. These walls--this roof--this spot on the earth.
I carried everything back into the house. You can't deny your life of thirty
years."
s_tew...@my-deja.com
terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:
> >Houghton's alleged parentage was fairly common gossip in Hollywood of
> >the late 1960's.
> >
>
> Fairly common among who?
Fairly common among those who wanted something to gossip about, or who
had a financial interest in the film and therefore wanted a bit of fluff
to raise public interest. This situation provided a perfect
opportunity.
Sarah, who after reading about Katharine Hepburn wonders if this
"affair" ever got beyond the intensely platonic stage.
CassidyS
Thank you! I don't know how, but I missed that book. Now I'll have to find it
and read it!
Cassidy
CassidyS
if
he got a divorce. : ) >>
That may not be as bizarre as it sounds. I don't know about Mr. Tracy's case,
but in my own family some years ago a former brother-in-law was told he would
be excommunicated if he married the sweetheart he'd been living with openly for
several years. He was then told that in order to get a dispensation for the
second marriage, he would have to prove that my sister (not a Catholic) had
acted in bad faith when she married him, which of course was not the case.
I don't know whether he is still a member of the Church or not -- I haven't
seen him in years -- but he did marry the young woman, dispensation or no.
Didn't one of the Kennedys have a similar experience?
Cassidy
Lisa Davidson
who had been friends of the couple. And those who gossip for sport.
My maternal grandparents had a ranch in Encino in the 1930's where they
entertained frequently. I remember several women asking my grandmother
about Houghton's parentage because she had known the couple.
Lisa Davidson
Terrymelin wrote:
>
> >Houghton's alleged parentage was fairly common gossip in Hollywood of
> >the late 1960's.
> >
>
> Fairly common among who?
>
> Terry Ellsworth
s_tew...@my-deja.com
cass...@aol.com (CassidyS) wrote:
> << Despite living together for 30 years, >>
>
> Are you sure they lived together? It has always been my impression
>that they did not.
Well, you're mostly right. She moved into his house on George Cukor's
estate during the later years of his life so she could take care of
him--he was very ill during the sixties. She made it very clear in her
book that they, uh, slept in separate rooms. She also made it clear
that for most of their "whatever" they maintained separate residences.
Becca
Terrymelin
>"affair" ever got beyond the intensely platonic stage.
After having read a good deal on the subject I've always suspected that the
relationship between Hepburn and Tracy was not sexual. We'll never know but it
still seems unlikely.
Terry Ellsworth
ru...@my-deja.com
declared that she never had any children. Maybe she was telling the
truth or maybe covering the truth. I don't know. Although I have read
many biographies on Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn that were
available, none of these books mentioned any possibilities of their
illegitimate child. About this subject, only Christopher Andersen(" An
Affair To Remember") said something like " Kate was responsible for
preventing the pregnancy in her relationship with Spencer." I wonder
why Katharine Houghton, so called "niece" of Hepburn, resembles
Tracy,too(especially her profile). If you watch her closely, you will
notice. Garson Kanin said in his book that Kate was treating her niece
Houghton as her own daughter.
Brad Ferguson
And some childless, unmarried aunts do things like that.
If there's any truth to this rumor about Houghton, you'll find out all
about it when Hepburn dies and her estate comes up for probate.
Lisa Davidson
free-wheeling times, the fact that they never "swung from the
chandeliers" so to speak apparently is giving some false impressions.
In their day, there was something called "keeping up appearances". They
were always aware that Tracy was a married man, and they tried to
consider Mrs. Tracy's feelings - both of them did. Thus they were very
discrete. It is totally foreign now, but these were three very decent
people, trying desperately to keep up appearances.
But from everything I was ever told, this was a full blown love affair,
pure and simple, something that would never have been admitted while the
Tracys were alive.
Lisa Davidson
gjw
<j.l.da...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>In their day, there was something called "keeping up appearances". They
>were always aware that Tracy was a married man, and they tried to
>consider Mrs. Tracy's feelings - both of them did. Thus they were very
>discrete. It is totally foreign now, but these were three very decent
>people, trying desperately to keep up appearances.
And they apparently did a good job of keeping it discreet.
According to Hepburn's version, she approached Mrs. Tracy some time
after Spencer's death, and asked if they could perhaps be friends.
According to Kate, Mrs. Tracy looked stunned and said to her: "You
see... I always thought you were just a rumor."
She waited until Mrs. Tracy was dead before she began discussing it in
public.
Gary
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ru...@my-deja.com
"Katharine Hepburn: An Independent Woman", Katharine Houghton was very
angry about another Hepburn biography by Barbara Leaming. She attacked
the book's distortions and the negative portrait of Tracy and his
attitude towards Hepburn. If she was not their daughter, why did she
feel that she had to protect the reputation of Tracy, just a lover of
her aunt? I can't find another reason.
Hepburn said in her autobiography that Houghton gave Tracy his
birthday present which, years later, his daughter Susie took home with
her.
As I wrote before, after Kate finished her play "Without Love" in Feb,
1943, she did not work until the shooting of "Dragon Seed" began a year
later. It seems to me that every Hepburn biographer avoided focusing on
those mysterious gap in her long career. What was she doing at that
time? Tracy then was filming " A Guy Named Joe" alone in Hollywood and
was reputedly on his bad behavior, teasing his co-star Irene Dunne on
the set and drinking heavily. I imagine that maybe he was worried about
the difficult situation: "What should I do about the baby we are going
to have?"
Those of you who still doubt about Houghton's being the real daughter
of Tracy and Hepburn, I recommend to look at the other movies she
appeared; "Eathan Frome", "Mr.North", "The Night We Never Met" and
"Billy Bathgate". Although she played very small parts, you won't miss
that face, a strange combination of Tracy and Hepburn.
Brad Ferguson
This is all perilously close to "it could be, therefore it must be."
There are alternative, and more logical, explanations for all of the
above. Hepburn didn't often work in the early 1940s because she didn't
test well with audiences and was, in any case, tabbed as "troublesome."
Tracy was a drunk who didn't need any excuse to drink, and his bad
behavior on "Without Love" is not unique. Tracy must have been a
careful drunk, though, or a sterile one; despite his many one-offs,
I've never heard that Tracy sired any children outside of his marriage,
asie from this rumor about Houghton.
I guess there is a resemblance to Tracy in Houghton, if you want there
to be. There's a Face on Mars, too, if you want there to be.
Terrymelin
>feel that she had to protect the reputation of Tracy, just a lover of
>her aunt? I can't find another reason.
I can think of at least one hundred different reasons ... among them feeling
(as any normal person) that Tracy was being unfairly criticized, defending a
friend of someone close to her, and on and on. I think this "Houghton is her
daughter" stuff is really based on unbelievably flimsy hearsay.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>Hepburn didn't often work in the early 1940s because she didn't
>test well with audiences and was, in any case, tabbed as "troublesome."
>Tracy was a drunk who didn't need
Yep, labeled in 1940 by motion picture distributors as "box office poison." And
I think the appropriate word for Tracy would be alcoholic. And the resemblance
to of Houghton to Hepburn needs no more explanation than the fact that the girl
is her niece afterall.
Terry Ellsworth
Terry Ellsworth
Tom Nawrocki
> As I wrote before, after Kate finished her play "Without Love" in Feb,
> 1943, she did not work until the shooting of "Dragon Seed" began a year
> later. It seems to me that every Hepburn biographer avoided focusing on
> those mysterious gap in her long career. What was she doing at that
> time?
According to the IMDB, Katharine Houghton wasn't born until March 10, 1945,
well after Aunt Kate had gone back to work.
Tom Nawrocki
ru...@my-deja.com
has took off two years. Isn't it a common thing in Hollywood?
rhfan...@gmail.com
> I just read that Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn had a child!
> According to the post, katharine Houghton, known as Hepburn's "niece"
> is in fact their birth daughter. Houghton appeared in "Guess Who's
> Coming To Dinner?" with Tracy & Hepburn. After I read the post, I saw
> the film again and was amazed how Houghton resembled both Tracy &
> Hepburn!!! Interestingly, Kate did not work for at least a year after
> her Broadway play " Without Love" was closed in Feb,1943.
>
>
>
cathyc...@aol.com
Unless you have marcus' turkey Baster.
njkau...@gmail.com
> I just read that Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn had a child!
> According to the post, katharine Houghton, known as Hepburn's "niece"
> is in fact their birth daughter. Houghton appeared in "Guess Who's
> Coming To Dinner?" with Tracy & Hepburn. After I read the post, I saw
> the film again and was amazed how Houghton resembled both Tracy &
> Hepburn!!! Interestingly, Kate did not work for at least a year after
> her Broadway play " Without Love" was closed in Feb,1943.
>
cathyc...@aol.com
lucreti...@fl.it
>What nonsense
Maybe it wasn't when that was posted years ago.
1017hi...@gmail.com
Back then unmarried women were sometimes pressured to give their children up for adoption.
szor...@gmail.com
> >Sarah, who after reading about Katharine Hepburn wonders if this
> >"affair" ever got beyond the intensely platonic stage.
>
> After having read a good deal on the subject I've always suspected that the
> relationship between Hepburn and Tracy was not sexual. We'll never know but it
> still seems unlikely.
>
> Terry Ellsworth
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mongo
> What about the rumor of a child born in 1957?
Possible, but extremely unlikely...
ccrof...@gmail.com
> I just read that Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn had a child!
> According to the post, katharine Houghton, known as Hepburn's "niece"
> is in fact their birth daughter. Houghton appeared in "Guess Who's
> Coming To Dinner?" with Tracy & Hepburn. After I read the post, I saw
> the film again and was amazed how Houghton resembled both Tracy &
> Hepburn!!! Interestingly, Kate did not work for at least a year after
> her Broadway play " Without Love" was closed in Feb,1943.
>
>
>
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