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MadCow57

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Mar 9, 2001, 2:26:10 AM3/9/01
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HOLLYWOOD star Tom Hanks was shattered last night by news his ex-wife was dying
of bone cancer. Susan Dillingham, 48, learned she was suffering from the
disease after a routine check-up. Hanks arranged for her to be seen by the
world's top specialists but the cancer had already spread.

A close friend said: "Tom is devastated - they've had their ups and downs but
they have remained friends over the years."

The couple wed in 1979 and had two children but split in 1984 after Hanks met
his current wife Rita.

Mirror (UK)

Terrymelin

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Mar 9, 2001, 8:11:50 AM3/9/01
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>The couple wed in 1979 and had two children but split in 1984 after Hanks met
>his current wife Rita.

More like when Hanks hit it big he dumped the first wife who was there during
the lean years. What a stand-up guy.

Terry Ellsworth

Genetasia

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:02:02 AM3/9/01
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Wait a tick, I thought his first wife's name was Samantha Lewes, not Susan
Dillingham.

cubby...@aol.com

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:20:01 AM3/9/01
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As well as being ignorant (which everyone already knew), you are also
a bitter and pathetic excuse for a human.

Loki

cubby...@aol.com

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:23:03 AM3/9/01
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On 09 Mar 2001 14:02:02 GMT, gene...@aol.com (Genetasia) wrote:

>Wait a tick, I thought his first wife's name was Samantha Lewes, not Susan
>Dillingham.

Susan Dillingham is her real name. Samantha Lewes is her stage name.
She was an actress as well and they met in the CSU Sacramento drama
department. She was certianly his equal as a preformer in those days,
possibly even better. But, she got pregnant and he got the career.

At any rate, she changed her name when persuing her own career as an
actress.

Loki

Lady Taker

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:29:41 AM3/9/01
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>Susan Dillingham, 48, learned she was suffering from the
>disease after a routine check-up.

A "routine check-up" that detected bone cancer? I don't think so.

Volfie -> unless it was a "bone cancer check-up", of course


E-Brake

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Mar 9, 2001, 10:53:05 AM3/9/01
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Terrymelin wrote:

That is not what happened, according to what I've been told by a former friend
and writer on Bosom Buddies. Tom's wife had a severe cocaine problem back then,
and Tom divorced her when she wouldn't quit. It was sad but he couldn't live
with her anymore.

Anyway, I hope she makes it through this; I don't know the odds on bone cancer.


-E. (now, talk to me about thyroid cancer, this I know)
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Brad Ferguson

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Mar 9, 2001, 10:13:29 AM3/9/01
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In article <20010309022610...@ng-fb1.aol.com>, MadCow57
<madc...@aol.com> wrote:


Hanks' first wife's name is Samantha Lewes. They were married in 1978
and divorced in 1985. They did have two children.

Hanks married Rita Wilson in 1988. They have two children. IMDb
reports that they met on the set of "Volunteers," a movie they did
together in 1985, but that's wrong. We fans of "Bosom Buddies" know
they actually met during the production of that series, several years
earlier; Rita played a devil worshipper whom Henry was dating.

Terrymelin

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Mar 9, 2001, 12:29:22 PM3/9/01
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>Tom's wife had a severe cocaine problem back then,
>and Tom divorced her when she wouldn't quit. It was sad but he couldn't live
>with her anymore.

Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health problem
(yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the old
touchy feely liberal way.

Terry Ellsworth

Louis Epstein

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Mar 9, 2001, 12:53:36 PM3/9/01
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E-Brake (ebra...@home.com) wrote:

: Terrymelin wrote:
:
: > >The couple wed in 1979 and had two children but split in 1984 after Hanks
: > >met his current wife Rita.
: >
: > More like when Hanks hit it big he dumped the first wife who was
: > there during the lean years. What a stand-up guy.
:
: That is not what happened, according to what I've been told by a former
: friend and writer on Bosom Buddies. Tom's wife had a severe cocaine
: problem back then, and Tom divorced her when she wouldn't quit. It was
: sad but he couldn't live with her anymore.

While he was obviously attracted to the actress whose character was
dating his on the BB show at the time?

: Anyway, I hope she makes it through this; I don't know the odds on bone
: cancer.

The story makes it sound like it's quite advanced...she's probably got
months to live.(Is there any link to cocaine use?)

: -E. (now, talk to me about thyroid cancer, this I know)

(Isaac Asimov,on revival after thyroid surgery:"Are my parathyroids OK?")

Barry Shein

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Mar 9, 2001, 2:20:30 PM3/9/01
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>Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health problem
>(yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the old
>touchy feely liberal way.

Hey, it worked for Newt Gingrich...he dumped his wife on her cancer
deathbed and went on to become the first Republican Speaker of the
House in a gazillion years.


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Erik L.

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Mar 9, 2001, 2:32:02 PM3/9/01
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>From: Barry Shein b...@world.std.com

>
>Hey, it worked for Newt Gingrich...he dumped his wife on her cancer
>deathbed

Another lie from Shein. Gingrich's wifr did not die.

Erik L.


Lady Taker

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Mar 9, 2001, 2:33:12 PM3/9/01
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>Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health problem
>(yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the old
>touchy feely liberal way.
>
>Terry Ellsworth

Oh, Terry, Terry. At some point you DO have to give up on the addicted if they
won't/can't help themselves. Would you stay with someone who hurt you everyday
just so you could be thought of as a nice guy? I think not. And no matter what
drug advocates would have you believe, addiction hurts more than the addicted
and it hurts *every day*. Some people stay in for the long haul but the smart
ones get the hell out.

Volfie -> now if you have a problem with Hanks, himself, that's different, but
please don't fault the man for seeing and taking a better path through life
than he would have had playing babysitter/finacial-support/wet-nurse to an
addict


Idwim

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Louis Epstein

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Mar 9, 2001, 3:10:07 PM3/9/01
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Barry Shein (b...@world.std.com) wrote:
:
: >Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health problem

: >(yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the old
: >touchy feely liberal way.
:
: Hey, it worked for Newt Gingrich...he dumped his wife on her cancer
: deathbed and went on to become the first Republican Speaker of the
: House in a gazillion years.
:

Be fair...she is still alive.

Terrymelin

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Mar 9, 2001, 4:33:12 PM3/9/01
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>went on to become the first Republican Speaker of the
>House in a gazillion years.

39 years I believe. But I know you Democrats have problems with numbers.

Terry Ellsworth

Terrymelin

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Mar 9, 2001, 4:35:24 PM3/9/01
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>now if you have a problem with Hanks, himself, that's different, but
>please don't fault the man for seeing and taking a better path through life
>than he would have had playing babysitter/finacial-support/wet-nurse to an
>addict

I guess when you take a vow that says "for better or worse" that actually means
something other than -- except when it doesn't suit me.

And what hurt could she cause him? He's big athletic guy and she, is afterall
only a woman. Sorry, just don't buy it. Hanks is another in a long line of
Hollywood pig men who dump their first wives when they hit it big. The list is
longer than, apparently, Milton Berle's penis.

Terry Ellsworth

Lady Taker

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Mar 9, 2001, 4:43:55 PM3/9/01
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>I guess when you take a vow that says "for better or worse" that actually
>means
>something other than -- except when it doesn't suit me.

Want to put a time bracket around "or worse" for me? When do you figure that
you've honored your vows but you just can't take it anymore? 10 years? 20
years? 30 years? Until YOU get sick or it kills you? Let's not be ridiculous.
Those are flowery words written to enhance a loving ceremony. When the union
is unloving or unhealthy then the smart money is on the person who is strong
enough to say, "I love you but I've had enough."

>And what hurt could she cause him? He's big athletic guy and she, is afterall
>only a woman.

So I say "hurt" and you think "beat up"? Uh uh. Try again*.

>Sorry, just don't buy it.

I do. And I've had experience in that area.

> Hanks is another in a long line of
>Hollywood pig men who dump their first wives when they hit it big. The list
>is
>longer than, apparently, Milton Berle's penis.
>
>Terry Ellsworth

You're entitled to your views, of course, but unless Mr. Hanks drops by to tell
me he only dumped her to upgrade, I'm going to go ahead and think he dumped her
because he couldn't stand living with an addict anymore.

Volfie -> *hint: not all hurt leaves visible bruises

Louis Epstein

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Mar 9, 2001, 4:49:04 PM3/9/01
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Terrymelin (terry...@aol.com) wrote:
: >went on to become the first Republican Speaker of the

: >House in a gazillion years.
:
: 39 years I believe. But I know you Democrats have problems with numbers.
:
: Terry Ellsworth

40 years,really.Martin left office Jan 3 1955,Gingrich took office
Jan 3 1995.

trippy

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Mar 9, 2001, 6:02:20 PM3/9/01
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Chances are very slim re bone cancer and very very painful.
The world's top specialists can not not do much
once it spreads. - sorry


tripp
PS thyroid cancer is a lurker - looks very easy because it can be
caught in time with a heavy bit of surgery and equally heavy
results (special dosages of thyroxin or iodine for the rest of your life and
extreme
susceptibility to X-rays) ; but if not caught in time it is very deadly


E-Brake wrote:

Barry Shein

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Mar 9, 2001, 6:22:04 PM3/9/01
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>>Hey, it worked for Newt Gingrich...he dumped his wife on her cancer
>>deathbed
>
>Another lie from Shein. Gingrich's wifr did not die.

Right, she didn't die, she was just very ill, thank you for the
correction. She also had to later take Newt to court to force Mr
Family Values to pay his alimony so his former wife and two kids could
pay the bills.

Newt makes Bill Clinton look like a saint, how's he doing with his
newest young girlfriend he dumped his 2nd wife for (well, not quite in
that order)?

Terrymelin

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>You're entitled to your views, of course, but unless Mr. Hanks drops by to
>tell
>me he only dumped her to upgrade, I'm going to go ahead and think he dumped
>her

Are you naive enough to believe this?

Terry Ellsworth

Terrymelin

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Mar 9, 2001, 6:26:32 PM3/9/01
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>Want to put a time bracket around "or worse" for me? When do you figure that
>you've honored your vows but you just can't take it anymore? 10 years? 20
>years? 30 years?

Hmm. I didn't know there was an out clause in them there vows. And to begin
with we don't even know if this addict story is true. I somehow doubt it.

Hanks is a pig. Sounds to me like he cut and run -- and it was nothing like 10
years -- the lowest number on your list. He found himself another honey. Men
and women do it all the time.

Terry Ellsworth

Erik L.

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>Right, she didn't die, she was just very ill, thank you for the
>correction. She also had to later take Newt to court to force Mr
>Family Values to pay his alimony so his former wife and two kids could
>pay the bills.

Gingrich was and is an a-hole. Unlike you liberals, we conservatives accept
that some of ours are trash.

Erik L.


The Avocado Avenger

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vol...@aol.comBV12 (Lady Taker) writes:

>>I guess when you take a vow that says "for better or worse" that actually
>>means something other than -- except when it doesn't suit me.

>Want to put a time bracket around "or worse" for me? When do you figure that
>you've honored your vows but you just can't take it anymore? 10 years? 20
>years? 30 years? Until YOU get sick or it kills you? Let's not be ridiculous.
>Those are flowery words written to enhance a loving ceremony. When the union
>is unloving or unhealthy then the smart money is on the person who is strong
>enough to say, "I love you but I've had enough."

I've known both people who stayed when staying wasn't doing anybody any
good, and people who left when the going got tough. (Serious illness,
drug abuse, and alcohol abuse.) My personal experience is to trust those
who stay and try, because they're in it for the long haul and they're the
ones who can be trusted.
But I'm not naive enough to believe it's that way all the time, in every
instance. And I don't know whether Hanks' first wife really was an addict
or not, and I don't know what Hanks did about it if she was, other than
divorce her.


Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://www.io.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.

Lady Taker

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Mar 9, 2001, 7:23:04 PM3/9/01
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stacia wrote:
> I've known both people who stayed when staying wasn't doing anybody any
>good, and people who left when the going got tough. (Serious illness,
>drug abuse, and alcohol abuse.)

Often, when the straight person leaves (sometimes also known as the "enabler")
the addicted person hits that bottom and decides to clean up. It doesn't happen
all the time but after many, many years, it may be the ONLY thing that makes
the other person sober up. Whether it does or not, though, I'd rather think
that one person was saved than two went down the tubes.

Volfie -> there is a breaking point for everyone so never say "never" -- god
has a sense of humor about those things


MadCow57

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Mar 9, 2001, 7:44:14 PM3/9/01
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>>Gingrich was and is an a-hole. Unlike you liberals, we conservatives accept
that some of ours are trash.<< -- Erik L.

Damn straight. Newt makes Pirate John look like Pope John.

MadCow57

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>>>went on to become the first Republican Speaker of the
>House in a gazillion years.<

>>39 years I believe. But I know you Democrats have problems with numbers.<< --
Terry Ellsworth

Back in the 1980s I worked with a government budget officer who was always in
trouble with her bank because she couldn't balance her checkbook. The numbers
were, by federal budgeting standards, "insignificant."

She finally solved her problem by adding six zeros to everything, then she
could deal with her checkbook.

Weird, but true.

Erik L.

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>From: madc...@aol.com

>Damn straight. Newt makes Pirate John look like Pope John.
>

C'mon cow. Comparing anyone to a zit like Pirate John is way below the belt.


Erik L.


sankkuss

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Terrymelin wrote in message
<20010309163524...@ng-mb1.aol.com>...

>>now if you have a problem with Hanks, himself, that's different, but
>>please don't fault the man for seeing and taking a better path through
life
>>than he would have had playing babysitter/finacial-support/wet-nurse to an
>>addict
>
>I guess when you take a vow that says "for better or worse" that actually
means
>something other than -- except when it doesn't suit me.
>
>Terry Ellsworth

I bet Godmother Barbara must have grown weary of you chewing her out for
her two divorces.


Bruce B. Reynolds

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Mar 9, 2001, 8:37:09 PM3/9/01
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>And what hurt could she cause him? He's big athletic guy and she, is afterall
>only a woman.

Have at Terry, folks, for that line.

cubby...@aol.com

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On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:13:29 -0500, Brad Ferguson
<thir...@frXOXed.net> wrote:

>In article <20010309022610...@ng-fb1.aol.com>, MadCow57
><madc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> HOLLYWOOD star Tom Hanks was shattered last night by news his ex-wife was
>> dying
>> of bone cancer. Susan Dillingham, 48, learned she was suffering from the
>> disease after a routine check-up. Hanks arranged for her to be seen by the
>> world's top specialists but the cancer had already spread.
>>
>> A close friend said: "Tom is devastated - they've had their ups and downs
>> but
>> they have remained friends over the years."
>>
>> The couple wed in 1979 and had two children but split in 1984 after Hanks
>> met
>> his current wife Rita.
>
>
>Hanks' first wife's name is Samantha Lewes. They were married in 1978
>and divorced in 1985. They did have two children.

Not really. That is what the press releases said, but Tom married
Susan Dillingham after their first child was born. The releases back
dated the wedding, but in reality it was in 1979. Shortly thereafter
she changed her name to Samantha Lewes and tried to make it as an
actress herself. She had the talent, but not the breaks.

Loki (who knew them both at the time)

Matthew Hubbard

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Mar 9, 2001, 8:48:40 PM3/9/01
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More straw man nonsense from Erik L.; there are plenty of internecine
left wing feuds.

MattH

Erik L.

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:19:02 PM3/9/01
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>From: Matthew Hubbard

>More straw man nonsense from Erik L.; there are plenty of internecine
>left wing feuds.
>
>MattH

Come on Matt. You guys did nothing to Barney Frank, Garry Studds or Bill
Clinton.
We republicans gave Gingrch, Buzz Lukens and Nixon the boot.


Erik L.


cubby...@aol.com

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:28:14 PM3/9/01
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Do not know who Buzz Lukens was, but the other two were not given "the
boot". They quit.

Loki

UsurperTom

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Mar 9, 2001, 9:32:56 PM3/9/01
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Louis Epstein wrote:

>she is still alive.

Not only that, but she continued to support her ex-husband politically.
Tom

Erik L.

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>From: cubby...@aol.com

>Do not know who Buzz Lukens was, but the other two were not given "the
>boot". They quit.
>
>Loki

Buzz Lukens was a congressman who screwed around with an underaged house page.
Republican threw him out and he went to jail. Nixon quit because republican
senators went to him and said get out. Gingrich quit because it looked as if he
was going to lose the speakership. Republican also voted in the ethics
committee to expel Bob Packwood, democrats never would have done that.

Erik L.


Louis Epstein

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Mar 9, 2001, 10:14:30 PM3/9/01
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UsurperTom (usurp...@aol.com) wrote:
Are you sure?
She certainly was not averse to his treatment of her being public.

I know *John McCain's* ex supports him politically,after he left her
(permanently harmed by a traffic accident while he was a P.O.W.) for
a rich woman half his age.

Erik L.

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>From: The Grim Sweeper

>Wrong, Erik...Democrats are happy to expel Republicans for sexual
>misconduct.
>
>- TGS

True. What I should have said is that Democrats never would have done that to
another Democrat.


Erik L.


lynn paden

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Mar 9, 2001, 11:05:33 PM3/9/01
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very true! then again, he could have stayed with her and ended up like phil
hartman.

we just don't know.

jamison


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E-Brake

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trippy wrote:

> PS thyroid cancer is a lurker - looks very easy because it can be
> caught in time with a heavy bit of surgery and equally heavy
> results (special dosages of thyroxin or iodine for the rest of your life and
> extreme susceptibility to X-rays) ; but if not caught in time it is very deadly

Yeah, they quoted me a 90% cure rate, and "if you're gonna do the cancer dance, do
it with this one". Leave it to me to beat the odds, eh.

In November I had a recurrence after 11 years, and they think they can control it
this time. Again, another 90% cure rate. But obviously they didn't get it the first
time around, and it can be very stealthy and very hardy. I'll find out later this
year whether my radioiodine treatment in January worked. Sometimes I think the
treatment's worse than the disease, but then I get feeling better and it's all OK.
Thyroid cancer does like to spread to the lungs, and bones. In that case, it's
pretty hopeless if it doesn't respond to iodine treatments. The longest 2 hours of
my life were spent on that table in January, getting a body scan, and trying not to
think about anything but a negative-for-spread result. I can't describe it.


-E. (and, how the HELL did this thread turn into politics? Jeez, I can't take you
people anywhere)
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UsurperTom

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Mar 10, 2001, 12:30:42 AM3/10/01
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Louis Epstein wrote:

>Are you sure?

I remember back in 1995 I read some magazine's response to a letter to the
editor about the status of Gingrich's ex-wife.
Tom

Matthew Hubbard

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Mar 10, 2001, 1:16:19 AM3/10/01
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You Republicans had plenty of help giving Nixon the boot; you hardly
deserve credit.

You may have knocked out Gingrich, but not for his disgusting behavior,
but for his bad direction of the party; you also fell upon Bob
Livingston like a pack of hyenas, while not touching Henry Hyde, Bob
Barr, etc.

The cry "We Republicans eat our own" is hardly one I'd use as a winning
campaign slogan.

MattH

Brad Ferguson

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In article <3aa98829...@news.midtown.net>, <cubby...@aol.com>
wrote:

Thanks for the corrections, Loki. Perhaps you can shed some light on
the cause of the breakup?

Jack Acid

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terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote in article
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"That's the old touchy feely liberal way." <--Terry Ellsworth

Forget dead-pools! I'm going to start a pool for betting on the unlikely
possibility that Terry will comment on something without injecting a
political spin. Handicapping will be based on how many replies into a thread
the silliness starts.

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cubby...@aol.com

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Mar 10, 2001, 1:45:59 AM3/10/01
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:25:59 -0500, Brad Ferguson
<thir...@frXOXed.net> wrote:

I am afraid not. I knew them in college, but have not seen or heard
directly from either one since about 1979, a couple of years before
Bosom Buddies. I only learned of their seperation and divorce when I
read about it in the newspapers.

Loki

Tregembo

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Mar 10, 2001, 2:25:13 AM3/10/01
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Matthew Hubbard <mhub...@csuhayward.edu> wrote in message
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> You may have knocked out Gingrich, but not for his disgusting behavior,
> but for his bad direction of the party; you also fell upon Bob
> Livingston like a pack of hyenas, while not touching Henry Hyde, Bob
> Barr, etc.
>
> The cry "We Republicans eat our own" is hardly one I'd use as a winning
> campaign slogan.
>
> MattH

Ah yes,
Henry Hyde and his "youthful indiscretions" ... at age 42.
And Bob Barr, Mr. Right-To-Life, Christian Conservative who allegedly paid
for a former lover's abortion.

Sen. Lott, et al, should thank their lucky stars that the Larry Flint called
off his P. I. dogs when he did.

Ray Arthur

The Avocado Avenger

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"lynn paden" <lynnNOS...@earthlink.net> writes:

>"Lady Taker" <vol...@aol.comBV12> wrote:
>> stacia wrote:

>> > I've known both people who stayed when staying wasn't doing anybody any
>> >good, and people who left when the going got tough. (Serious illness,
>> >drug abuse, and alcohol abuse.)
>>
>> Often, when the straight person leaves (sometimes also known as the
>> "enabler") the addicted person hits that bottom and decides to clean
>> up. It doesn't happen
>> all the time but after many, many years, it may be the ONLY thing that
>> makes the other person sober up. Whether it does or not, though, I'd
>> rather think that one person was saved than two went down the tubes.

But two don't always go down the tubes. This thread wasn't just talking
about drug addiction, it was talking about other illnesses. And some even
think of addiction as an illness.
Personally, if I was dealing with a serious illness or addiction, I
can't think of anything worse than being left completely alone to deal
with it with no help. I'd call into question the motivation of someone
who left rather than attempting to help, as well.
A situation where someone was helped on multiple occasions but never
managed to make any progress is different, but I still say they're a
person who needs help and not abandonment.

>> Volfie -> there is a breaking point for everyone so never say "never" --
>> god has a sense of humor about those things

Hrm. I don't think I said "never". In fact I said explicitly that I
didn't think my theory/opinion/whatever was true for every situation.

>very true! then again, he could have stayed with her and ended up like phil
>hartman.

>we just don't know.

Has anyone even come up with any evidence that Hanks' ex was an addict
who was making his life so miserable he had to leave? This seems to have
gone so far into the realm of speculation and projection that I don't know
if we'll ever return to reality.

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 3:43:37 AM3/10/01
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>>very true! then again, he could have stayed with her and ended up like phil
hartman. we just don't know.<< -- Lynn Paden

Interesting thought, and spine-chilling too.


MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 3:51:43 AM3/10/01
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>>C'mon cow. Comparing anyone to a zit like Pirate John is way below the
belt.<< --
Erik L.

Haha, Erik. You weren't working on the Hill when Newt was just a simple
Congressman causing the most awful trouble among the staffs. I hold him
responsible for getting Hyde Murray fired, may he burn in hell for just that
one thing.

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 3:57:37 AM3/10/01
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>>only a woman<< -- Ellsworth

Come visit me in Baltimore and I'll show you "only a woman." But only if you
don't plan to have any more children, and want to audition for the soprano
section of your local choir.

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 4:01:45 AM3/10/01
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I sure hope my current thyrotoxocosis doesn't turn out to be cancer.

Next week I'm telling the endocrinologist to rip the damn thing out.

If it turns out to be cancer, I'll file an obit with Louis, just in case.

(Shedding tears for E-brake, and maybe me)

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 4:06:10 AM3/10/01
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>>We republicans gave Gingrch, Buzz Lukens and Nixon the boot.<< -- Erik L

Buzz Lukens. Don't get me started on that guy. I knew him in college, then
the bastard turned up a couple of doors down from where I worked in the Old
House Office Building (which has a new name now that I don't give a rat's ass
about).

Next to Newt Gingrich, Buzz deserved the boot more than any other Republican I
can think of.

When he wore his loud mud-colored suit, he looked just like a chimpanzee, and
he was screwing every secretary in the building, except me - because he knew
better than to try.

Adam Clayton Powell's office was around the corner, but that's another story.


MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 4:08:36 AM3/10/01
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>>Oh, yeah, right, Cubby. Sure. They just quit on their own without any
input from anyone.<< -- The Grim Sweeper

Yeah, once you get into Congress, you don't jump - a quiet push is the usual
method.

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 4:09:25 AM3/10/01
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>>You guys did nothing to Barney Frank, Garry Studds or Bill Clinton.<<

Kindly explain exactly what you think is wrong with Barney Frank.

UsurperTom

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Mar 10, 2001, 4:53:48 AM3/10/01
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Matthew Hubbard wrote:

>You Republicans had plenty of help giving Nixon the boot; you hardly
>deserve credit.

Nixon resigned because Republican Senators told him they were going to vote for
his removal. A 2/3 vote in the Senate is required to remove a president from
office.
Tom

Erik L.

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Mar 10, 2001, 6:25:02 AM3/10/01
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>From: madc...@aol.com (MadCow57)

>Kindly explain exactly what you think is wrong with Barney Frank.
>

He was given a minor reprimand for using his congressional power to fix many
parking tickets. He abused his office and deserved at mininimum a censure. He
also had a male prostitute living with him but claimed to know nothing about
the fact that the prostitute was runnning a ring from Barney's house.


Erik L.


MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 7:17:58 AM3/10/01
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>>Personally, if I was dealing with a serious illness or addiction, I
can't think of anything worse than being left completely alone to deal
with it with no help. I'd call into question the motivation of someone
who left rather than attempting to help, as well.<< -- Stacia

My mother left me in a thryoid coma to go loot my apartment. I'm not telling
her that I am sick again right now.

Lady Taker

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Mar 10, 2001, 8:07:19 AM3/10/01
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>>>very true! then again, he could have stayed with her and ended up like
>phil
>hartman. we just don't know.<< -- Lynn Paden

Madcow said:
>Interesting thought, and spine-chilling too.

And a good example of someone who loved his spouse enough to stay but who
shouldn't have.

Volfie -> staying isn't always the best thing for either person


Lady Taker

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Mar 10, 2001, 8:09:55 AM3/10/01
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Stacia said:
> Hrm. I don't think I said "never". In fact I said explicitly that I
>didn't think my theory/opinion/whatever was true for every situation.

I was addressing Terry's belief that he would never break a wedding vow under
any circumstances.

Volfie -> who's road through life is paved with broken "nevers"


Lady Taker

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Mar 10, 2001, 8:11:36 AM3/10/01
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madcow said:
>My mother left me in a thryoid coma to go loot my apartment. I'm not telling
>her that I am sick again right now.

Jeeeeesus! So sorry about both events. Hope things turn out well for you this
time.

Volfie -> you should employ a NRA member to apartment-sit if you have to go
back in hospital


Louis Epstein

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Mar 10, 2001, 8:39:51 AM3/10/01
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MadCow57 (madc...@aol.com) wrote:
: >>Personally, if I was dealing with a serious illness or addiction, I

And you're sure she doesn't read alt.obits?

Joe from Chicago

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Mar 10, 2001, 10:33:54 AM3/10/01
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KL <kl...@idb.com> wrote in article
<1l9katkevjnaisom3...@4ax.com> :
>What's this got to do with Tom Hanks' ex-wife ??????

Not a thing. Terry said his magic word, "liberal". It's a Usenet rule that if Terry says the magic word, the subject line of the thread is declared null and void and the thread is fair game for off-topic trolling.

---------------------

A word to the wiseguy.

SandNsMom

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Mar 10, 2001, 11:49:05 AM3/10/01
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><vol...@aol.comBV12> wrote:
>>> stacia wrote:
>
>>> > I've known both people who stayed when staying wasn't doing anybody any
>>> >good, and people who left when the going got tough. (Serious illness,
>>> >drug abuse, and alcohol abuse.)
>>>
>>> Often, when the straight person leaves (sometimes also known as the
>>> "enabler") the addicted person hits that bottom and decides to clean
>>> up. It doesn't happen
>>> all the time but after many, many years, it may be the ONLY thing that
>>> makes the other person sober up. Whether it does or not, though, I'd
>>> rather think that one person was saved than two went down the tubes.
>
> But two don't always go down the tubes. This thread wasn't just talking
>about drug addiction, it was talking about other illnesses. And some even
>think of addiction as an illness.
> Personally, if I was dealing with a serious illness or addiction, I
>can't think of anything worse than being left completely alone to deal
>with it with no help. I'd call into question the motivation of someone
>who left rather than attempting to help, as well.
> A situation where someone was helped on multiple occasions but never
>managed to make any progress is different, but I still say they're a
>person who needs help and not abandonment.
>
>>> Volfie -> there is a breaking point for everyone so never say "never" --
>>> god has a sense of humor about those things
>

I decided to stay and try to make my marriage work with a husband who was
finally diagnosed as bipolar. It took a restraining order and having him
thrown out of the house to finally get properly medicated. Now that he is, he
has never returned back to the person that I married and I've become the "devil
incarnate" because I was so hard on him. I can't wait until my divorce is
final...

Debbie B.


cubby...@aol.com

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Mar 10, 2001, 12:01:56 PM3/10/01
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:33:54 +0000, Joe from Chicago
<donot...@interbulletin.bogus> wrote:

>KL <kl...@idb.com> wrote in article
><1l9katkevjnaisom3...@4ax.com> :
>>On 10 Mar 2001 11:25:02 GMT, islan...@aol.com (Erik L.) wrote:
>>
>>>>From: madc...@aol.com (MadCow57)
>>>
>>>>Kindly explain exactly what you think is wrong with Barney Frank.
>>>>
>>>
>>>He was given a minor reprimand for using his congressional power to fix many
>>>parking tickets. He abused his office and deserved at mininimum a censure. He
>>>also had a male prostitute living with him but claimed to know nothing about
>>>the fact that the prostitute was runnning a ring from Barney's house.
>>>
>>
>>What's this got to do with Tom Hanks' ex-wife ??????
>
>Not a thing. Terry said his magic word, "liberal". It's a Usenet rule that if Terry says the magic word,
>the subject line of the thread is declared null and void and the thread is fair game for off-topic trolling.

Terry's insertion of the word was completely innapropriate to the
thread, but then, that is typical of Terry's contributions anyway.

Loki

cubby...@aol.com

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Mar 10, 2001, 12:07:25 PM3/10/01
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:25:59 -0500, Brad Ferguson
<thir...@frXOXed.net> wrote:

One more thing... As I said, I have no idea what either one did after
1979 from a first hand basis, but when I knew them there was some
drinking and some pot smoking in the drama department, but if there
was any cocaine usage by anyone I knew nothing about it. I would say
with 99% certainty that there was none.

However, that said, Susan was always a very intense person with a high
maintanance personality. I would not be surprized if the break up was
due to a lot of bitterness on her part that Tom was succeeding and she
was not. Also, I do not know that there was ever a lot of love between
them at the foundation of the marriage as much as responsibility for a
child that they created. Times were different in 1979. Single mothers
were not as common as they are now.

Loki

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 12:34:32 PM3/10/01
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>>Volfie -> you should employ a NRA member to apartment-sit if you have to go
back in hospital <<

I am not going to any hospital ever since the moron at Johns Hopkins diagnosed
me as hopelessy bi-polar without doing any the blood tests required by the
Standards of Care to rule out organic causes for my thyroid syptoms. I died
twice because of him.

Then a couple of weeks ago the Mercy Hospital ER prescribed EIGHT times the
amount of my heart medicine instead of the thyroid medicine.

Hospitals want to kill me.

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 12:35:27 PM3/10/01
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My mother left me in a thryoid coma to go loot my apartment. I'm not telling
: her that I am sick again right now.<

>>And you're sure she doesn't read alt.obits?<< -- LOuis

She already knows what she did, and doesn't need to read it her.

MadCow57

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Mar 10, 2001, 12:37:37 PM3/10/01
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>>Now that he is, he
has never returned back to the person that I married and I've become the "devil
incarnate" because I was so hard on him. I can't wait until my divorce is
final...<< -- Debbie B.

I pray that you move to another city before this character buys a gun.

Louis Epstein

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Mar 10, 2001, 1:57:28 PM3/10/01
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MadCow57 (madc...@aol.com) wrote:
: My mother left me in a thryoid coma to go loot my apartment. I'm not telling

: : her that I am sick again right now.<
:
: >>And you're sure she doesn't read alt.obits?<< -- LOuis
:
: She already knows what she did, and doesn't need to read it her.

But she might learn that you are sick.

The melancholy burden of sobriety

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Mar 10, 2001, 7:30:04 PM3/10/01
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On 10 Mar 2001 17:34:32 GMT, MadCow57, felt that our lives would be
enriched by knowing that:

>I am not going to any hospital ever since the moron at Johns Hopkins diagnosed
>me as hopelessy bi-polar without doing any the blood tests required by the
>Standards of Care to rule out organic causes for my thyroid syptoms. I died
>twice because of him.

Really? Died twice. You're not too fucking bright, are you?

>Then a couple of weeks ago the Mercy Hospital ER prescribed EIGHT times the
>amount of my heart medicine instead of the thyroid medicine.

It must be your charming personality.

>Hospitals want to kill me.

<Seinfeld mode on>

Ah. That's a shame.

<Seinfeld mode off>


--
"What IS necrophilia?" said Andrew Brunner in dead ernest.

asbest...@deja.com

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Mar 10, 2001, 9:00:13 PM3/10/01
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On 09 Mar 2001 17:29:22 GMT, terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:

>>Tom's wife had a severe cocaine problem back then,
>>and Tom divorced her when she wouldn't quit. It was sad but he couldn't live
>>with her anymore.
>
>Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health problem
>(yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the old
>touchy feely liberal way.
>
>Terry Ellsworth

Oh yeah.... when someone has a cocaine problem.... dump money into
the solution...

She would have been dead years ago, if his income had stayed with her.

da boss.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 1:22:01 AM3/11/01
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>>Really? Died twice. You're not too fucking bright, are you?<< --
mungesomething

No, I was dead, and was told later that they threw me on the floor, blew into
my mouth, and pounded on my chest.

And, you're not too fucking polite, are you? Maybe someday you'll collapse
when there are no CPR-trained people nearby.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 1:24:04 AM3/11/01
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>>But she might learn that you are sick.<< -- Louis

Slightly far-fetched, since she is still scared of touch-tone phones, and
wouldn't go near a computer keyboard.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 1:26:48 AM3/11/01
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>>Terry said his magic word, "liberal". It's a Usenet rule that if Terry says
the magic word, the subject line of the thread is declared null and void and
the thread is fair game for off-topic trolling.<< -- Joe from Chicago, that
toddling town

I propose a deal. If Terry stops using the word "liberal" I will stop
mentioning "boats."

Which one of us will crack first, I wonder.

Richard Belcher

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Mar 11, 2001, 4:16:43 AM3/11/01
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"Lady Taker" <vol...@aol.comBV12> wrote in message
news:20010310080955...@ng-fu1.aol.com...

> Stacia said:
> > Hrm. I don't think I said "never". In fact I said explicitly that I
> >didn't think my theory/opinion/whatever was true for every situation.
>
> I was addressing Terry's belief that he would never break a wedding vow
under
> any circumstances.
Face it, he managed to rope one sucker. What's the chances he could ever do
that again....

The melancholy burden of sobriety

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Mar 11, 2001, 8:50:13 AM3/11/01
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On 11 Mar 2001 06:22:01 GMT, MadCow57, felt that our lives would be
enriched by knowing that:

>No, I was dead, and was told later that they threw me on the floor, blew into


>my mouth, and pounded on my chest.

GIF! GIF!

Sounds like a good time was had by all.

So, are you saying that these near death experiences are responsible
for your diminshed mental capacity? I would have thought that you
were born a retard, but this also sounds like a reasonable explanation
for your stupidity.

>And, you're not too fucking polite, are you? Maybe someday you'll collapse
>when there are no CPR-trained people nearby.

Perhaps I will, but I won't go to a newsgroup looking for attention
and sympathy afterward because of it.


--
"What IS sodomy?" said Andrew Brunner half in ernest.

Lady Taker

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Mar 11, 2001, 8:49:46 AM3/11/01
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>> I was addressing Terry's belief that he would never break a wedding vow
>under
>> any circumstances.

rich44 said;


>Face it, he managed to rope one sucker. What's the chances he could ever do
>that again....

I understand what you're saying but there's that "never say never" thingy
again. Even serial killers manage to find mates while they're on death row.

Volfie -> even Hitler got an Eva


Louis Epstein

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Mar 11, 2001, 11:18:30 AM3/11/01
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MadCow57 (madc...@aol.com) wrote:
: >>But she might learn that you are sick.<< -- Louis

:
: Slightly far-fetched, since she is still scared of touch-tone phones, and
: wouldn't go near a computer keyboard.

I refused to touch touch-tone phones until I learned that pushbuttons
actually preceded dials early in telephone history.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 3:42:32 PM3/11/01
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>>So, are you saying that these near death experiences are responsible
for your diminshed mental capacity? I would have thought that you
were born a retard, but this also sounds like a reasonable explanation
for your stupidity.<< -- granMUNGE

My current diminished mental capacity is the result of another attack of
thyrotoxocosis. I will get well, but you will still be a mean asshole.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 3:44:44 PM3/11/01
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>>I won't go to a newsgroup looking for attention
and sympathy afterward because of it.<< -- granMUNGE

OK, everybody who is thinking of posting a message about the loss of a
relative, a beloved pet, or an admired professor, cancel the thought. Or, you
could just killfile granMUNGE.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 3:48:08 PM3/11/01
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>>I refused to touch touch-tone phones until I learned that pushbuttons
actually preceded dials early in telephone history.<< -- Louis

But weren't they only to get the operator, and not to enter phone numbers?

The melancholy burden of sobriety

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Mar 11, 2001, 4:07:18 PM3/11/01
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On 11 Mar 2001 20:44:44 GMT, MadCow57, felt that our lives would be
enriched by knowing that:

>>>I won't go to a newsgroup looking for attention

There is a difference between "posting a message about the loss of a
relative, a beloved pet, or an admired professor" and seeking
attention and sympathy as you do. But, then again, you're not too
fucking bright, are you?


--
"I shouldn't have eaten all those beans", said Andrew Brunner astutely

Louis Epstein

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Mar 11, 2001, 6:57:15 PM3/11/01
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MadCow57 (madc...@aol.com) wrote:
: >>I refused to touch touch-tone phones until I learned that pushbuttons

: actually preceded dials early in telephone history.<< -- Louis
:
: But weren't they only to get the operator, and not to enter phone numbers?

I think those pushbuttons were a more cumbersome way of doing the
pulse dialing,one pulse at a time.

Lady Taker

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Mar 11, 2001, 8:20:48 PM3/11/01
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>
>There is a difference between "posting a message about the loss of a
>relative, a beloved pet, or an admired professor" and seeking
>attention and sympathy as you do.

Hey, Madcow, I don't mind what you're talking about. After five years here I
think I can spot a phoney from 10 yards away and you surely don't sound like
you're making anything up. I don't think you should be afraid to talk about
what's bothering you in front of friends and, frankly, the others don't count
so piss on 'em.

Volfie


E-Brake

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Mar 11, 2001, 9:10:59 PM3/11/01
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Lady Taker wrote:

I second that emotion. Madcow, don't even respond to the Negatives (they seem to
have nothing better to do), and certainly don't let them get you riled up.
That's the last thing you need right now.

-E.

MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 9:17:00 PM3/11/01
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>>I think those pushbuttons were a more cumbersome way of doing the
pulse dialing,one pulse at a time.<< -- Louis

Ugh - that's way before my time. The first phone I remember had no dial. You
picked up the receiver and the operator said "number please."

Our number was CUrtis 5-8306-W. No idea what the W was for.


MadCow57

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Mar 11, 2001, 9:20:36 PM3/11/01
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Volfie, you are very kind, but unblock your e-mail so I can say thank you
properly.

Headless Downunder

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Mar 11, 2001, 8:32:36 PM3/11/01
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The melancholy burden of sobriety <granMUNGEp...@MUNGEhotmail.MUNGE.com> wrote in article
<f4qnatknr0neppf0n...@4ax.com> :
>On 11 Mar 2001 20:44:44 GMT, MadCow57, felt that our lives would be
>enriched by knowing that:
>
>>>>I won't go to a newsgroup looking for attention
>>and sympathy afterward because of it.<< -- granMUNGE
>>
>>OK, everybody who is thinking of posting a message about the loss of a
>>relative, a beloved pet, or an admired professor, cancel the thought. Or, you
>>could just killfile granMUNGE.
>
>There is a difference between "posting a message about the loss of a
>relative, a beloved pet, or an admired professor" and seeking
>attention and sympathy as you do. But, then again, you're not too
>fucking bright, are you?

This MUNGE-type person reminds me of a favourite old saying from my Deja.com days.
"Beware of those who cut off heads to make themselves look taller."

_______________________________________________
Submitted via WebNewsReader of http://www.interbulletin.com

Lady Taker

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Mar 11, 2001, 9:32:47 PM3/11/01
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>
>Volfie, you are very kind, but unblock your e-mail so I can say thank you
>properly.
>

LOL. Yeah, I'm fussy about that stuff. After all, I play with mad mail bombers
over in ATC. Try it now.

Volfie -> likes to keep her mailbox *clean*


Louis Epstein

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Mar 11, 2001, 9:52:48 PM3/11/01
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MadCow57 (madc...@aol.com) wrote:
: >>I think those pushbuttons were a more cumbersome way of doing the

Was it a party line?

My father remembers Brooklyn phone numbers in the Minnesota and
Dickens exchanges.

Jim Beaver

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Mar 11, 2001, 10:20:10 PM3/11/01
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"Terrymelin" <terry...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010309182632...@ng-cd1.aol.com...
> >Want to put a time bracket around "or worse" for me? When do you figure
that
> >you've honored your vows but you just can't take it anymore? 10 years? 20
> >years? 30 years?
>
> Hmm. I didn't know there was an out clause in them there vows. And to
begin
> with we don't even know if this addict story is true. I somehow doubt it.
>
> Hanks is a pig. Sounds to me like he cut and run -- and it was nothing
like 10
> years -- the lowest number on your list. He found himself another honey.
Men
> and women do it all the time.
>

Everyone does terrible things all the time--except, apparently, you, Terry.
Christ said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Of course,
you've probably got something against him, too. I've never encountered
anyone in my life so willing to cast the first stone as you. That's some
life you must lead.

Tom Hanks is without question the nicest, most generous gentleman of his
level of stardom I have ever worked with. His helpfulness and sensitivity
to actors and crew on the bottom rungs is not only legendary, it's true.
I've seen it. And I've seen cocaine addicts destroy a home and a marriage
so that the non-addict partner can't even recognize it anymore. I hope your
life-partner (should you find someone equally "without sin") never gets so
deep into addiction that you find your home invaded by druggies or
drug-dealers demanding payment or marshalls coming to take what little your
partner hasn't already sold. I've seen families wrecked like this, and
worse. If it does ever happen to you, I hope they make a TV-movie about
your glorious commitment to your marriage that lasted through decades of
abuse, loss, and degradation. I'm sure it will be an inspiration to all of
us who are not without sin.

Judas Priest, Terry, how big are you that you can hold so much hate?

Jim Beaver


Lady Taker

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Mar 11, 2001, 11:48:03 PM3/11/01
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jumblejim said:
>Everyone does terrible things all the time--except, apparently, you, Terry.
>Christ said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Of course,
>you've probably got something against him, too. I've never encountered
>anyone in my life so willing to cast the first stone as you. That's some
>life you must lead.
>
>Tom Hanks is without question the nicest, most generous gentleman of his
>level of stardom I have ever worked with. His helpfulness and sensitivity
>to actors and crew on the bottom rungs is not only legendary, it's true.
>I've seen it. And I've seen cocaine addicts destroy a home and a marriage
>so that the non-addict partner can't even recognize it anymore. I hope your
>life-partner (should you find someone equally "without sin") never gets so
>deep into addiction that you find your home invaded by druggies or
>drug-dealers demanding payment or marshalls coming to take what little your
>partner hasn't already sold. I've seen families wrecked like this, and
>worse. If it does ever happen to you, I hope they make a TV-movie about
>your glorious commitment to your marriage that lasted through decades of
>abuse, loss, and degradation. I'm sure it will be an inspiration to all of
>us who are not without sin.
>
>Judas Priest, Terry, how big are you that you can hold so much hate?

:::applause:::: Well said. Please join us over in alt.gossip.celebrities where
we would love to hear about your personal experiences with Mr. Hanks. Not
everyone shares such a low opinion of him and those who can talk personally
about him are highly valued.

Volfie -> been there, done that, and I approve of the move


MadCow57

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Mar 12, 2001, 5:58:33 AM3/12/01
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: Our number was CUrtis 5-8306-W. No idea what the W was for.

>>Was it a party line?<< -- Louis

Can't remember for sure, but it must have been.

bpe...@lib.nmsu.edu

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Mar 12, 2001, 10:56:51 AM3/12/01
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> > > Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health
> > problem
> > > (yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the
> old
> > > touchy feely liberal way.
> > >
> > > Terry Ellsworth

sometimes people don't get the message any other way. just leave them to
their self-destructive habits all by themselves. i support that action. no
sense in dragging more than one person down with it.


Lady Taker

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Mar 12, 2001, 1:24:01 PM3/12/01
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>> > > Yep, that's the stand-up thing to do. Your wife has a serious health
>> > problem
>> > > (yes, addiction is a health problem) so you just dump her. That's the
>> old
>> > > touchy feely liberal way.
>> > >
>> > > Terry Ellsworth

bpeale said:
>sometimes people don't get the message any other way. just leave them to
>their self-destructive habits all by themselves. i support that action. no
>sense in dragging more than one person down with it.

My point exactly, bpeale. And it isn't the easiest option either. Most times it
is more gut-wrenching to leave that person to their own devices than it is to
stay and enable them.

Volfie -> reading the responses, I suspect that there are more than a few
people here that know that for a fact

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