Stephanie Gorman and Leave it to Beaver Question
diesteldorf
the girl was murdered at 16 and the crime was never solved. I also
heard she was in a "Leave it to Beaver" episode. I saw the episode
she was in titled "Beaver's Autobiography." According to the show's
end credits her character, Betsy, was played by ANNETTE Gorman.
According to
Imdb.com Annette and Stephanie are two different people. Both are
given credit for the role of Betsy on the "Beaver" episode.
However, Annette appears to be very much alive and has several screen
credits, including a "Mr. Ed" episode to her credit. It could be that
she may have been Stephanie's older sister. Needless to say, the
murder of Stephanie Gorman is a sad story. However, she may have not
been the one who appeared in the "Leave it to Beaver" (episode
208--"Beaver's Autobiography")
I am hoping someone may be able to shed some light on this issue.
RCBAC
in it.
i too noticed it said annette gorman on the closing credits.
the girl in the leave it to beaver show was very stunning for someone about 13
or 14.
if i have the mr. ed episode i'll check it and post findings here on this
group.
bob
Brad Ferguson
diesteldorf <diest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Stephanie is credited in IMDb for the episode, but was not credited as
Betsy, who was the character played by Annette. I've wondered out loud
if Stephanie was Annette's sister, and if they both might have worked
in that episode -- Stephanie as an uncredited extra in the classroom
scenes, perhaps. That kind of twofer thing often happened with kid
actors.
Brad Ferguson
<rc...@aol.com> wrote:
"Beaver's Autobiography" was first broadcast on 20 December 1962.
Annette Gorman was 15 at the time.
Annette was in the "Mr. Ed" second-season ender "Ed, the Matchmaker,"
which was first broadcast on 29 April 1962. (The episode before it was
titled "Clint Eastwood Meets Mister Ed," which I'd pay good money to
see right now.)
fyns...@webtv.net
mentions, the one who went to high school with Stephanie. She did have
an older sister named Cheryl. The Beaver credit on the imdb never rang
true to me - and I asked two other folks who also went to school with
her and neither of them remembered her doing it. Birdie was certainly a
possibility, as they used tons of kids from our neighborhood - many kids
from my high school were in it. However, Stephanie would still have
been in her second year of Junior High when Birdie was filmed.
I knew Stephanie for a year (she died right after I graduated) and she
was a wonderful girl - warm, funny and affectionate. I still have
somewhere one of the notes we passed to each other in drama class.
James L. Neibaur
>No, Annette was not Stephanie's sister. I'm the one who Neibur
>mentions, the one who went to high school with Stephanie. She did have
>an older sister named Cheryl. The Beaver credit on the imdb never rang
>true to me - and I asked two other folks who also went to school with
>her and neither of them remembered her doing it.
Yes, you mentioned that to me, and that is why I carefully waited for the
episode to air so that I could see for myself who was credited. I knew the
moment the girl entered the scene that it wasn't your friend Stephanie. I
recognized this girl from other appearances. When I noticed the error, I
immediately posted a correction in this newsgroup, which can be found in
another thread. Had you not been skeptical about the TV show credit, I would
have never made the effort to see the rerun and make sure. So, now we have it
all sorted out.
I guess the similarity in last names caused someone to make the mistake in the
first place, and that error has found its way into various websites about the
show.
JN
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MadCow57
immediately posted a correction in this newsgroup, which can be found in
another thread. Had you not been skeptical about the TV show credit, I would
have never made the effort to see the rerun and make sure. So, now we have it
Not yet. You need to write to IMDB.
Brad Ferguson
<fyns...@webtv.net> wrote:
Thanks, fynsworth, for the additional information. I'm sorry you lost
your friend so long ago, but I think she'd be glad to know that you
still hold her close to heart.
James L. Neibaur
Actually, as time permits, I really should try to get it changed in all of the
various TV and LiTB sites that offer incorrect information.
The Avocado Avenger
>I knew Stephanie for a year (she died right after I graduated) and she
>was a wonderful girl - warm, funny and affectionate. I still have
>somewhere one of the notes we passed to each other in drama class.
So you're the mysterious and enigmatic "The Real A"? You seem to have
quite a following.
Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://world.std.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
James L. Neibaur
> So you're the mysterious and enigmatic "The Real A"? You seem to have
>
>quite a following.
His online writeup on Stephanie Gorman is very heartfelt and well-written, even
though it was penned decades after the incident occurred. I hope James Ellroy
enlisted his help with the upcoming piece in GQ.
war...@radonedesigns.com
When I went away to Prep School in 64/66 I used to call an old girlfriend Jessica Ellison and it was then, while I was at school that i found out that Stephanie had been murdered.
This saddens me, even to this day.
Fact of the matter is, she is NOT Betsy in the L2B 'Autobiography' episode. Sorry.
I miss Stephanie to this day.
W
marcus
In retrospect, I've noticed that, save for the episode where Beaver gives himself a haircut and wears a hat during the school choir Christmas concert, there is no Christmas show in the series. Also, although many of the plots take place on weekends, including Sundays, there are no references to going to church.
This is quite odd, considering that most family-oriented comedies of that era (e.g. Danny Thomas, Father Knows Best, Andy Griffith) have references to church.
I guess the Cleaver family was not very religious.
Or maybe they were Unitarian Universalists. ;-)
Sarah Ehrett
cathyc...@aol.com
You're so clueless you don't even realize what you're writing.
One big long messy fart, indeed!
marcus
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT), marcus <>
>
> One long wet fart.
Or was it some type of self-confession on your part?
Sarah Ehrett
wrote:
>On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 4:12:35 PM UTC-4, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT), marcus <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> One long wet fart.
>
>Was that a comment on an entirely innocent post I made about the Cleavers' religiosity or lack thereof?
TV's Beavers and Cleavers. But to make a point, how do you *know* the
Cleavers didn't go to church? The Catholics could go to Friday Mass. All
my buds and their families went Friday night so the weekend was free for
hell raising and snot slingin'.
>Or was it some type of self-confession on your part?
marcus
> I rarely comment on anyone's religion or lack of for either real peoples or
> TV's Beavers and Cleavers. But to make a point, how do you *know* the
> Cleavers didn't go to church? The Catholics could go to Friday Mass. All
> my buds and their families went Friday night so the weekend was free for
> hell raising and snot slingin'.
>
However, during that late 50s/early 60s era, writers of programs like that usually had their TV families going to church and at least one or two programs with a Christmas theme or backdrop.
I just find it odd that Leave It To Beaver didn't.
Didn't stop my enjoyment of the program. Ward Cleaver is the greatest TV show Dad of all time.
Sarah Ehrett
wrote:
>On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 10:43:56 PM UTC-4, Sarah Ehrett wrote:
>> I rarely comment on anyone's religion or lack of for either real peoples or
>> TV's Beavers and Cleavers. But to make a point, how do you *know* the
>> Cleavers didn't go to church? The Catholics could go to Friday Mass. All
>> my buds and their families went Friday night so the weekend was free for
>> hell raising and snot slingin'.
>>
>Sarah, I would like to remind you that we are talking about fictitious characters. so, of course I don't know if the Cleavers went to church or not.
>
>I just find it odd that Leave It To Beaver didn't.
>
>Didn't stop my enjoyment of the program. Ward Cleaver is the greatest TV show Dad of all time.
marcus
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:03:20 -0700 (PDT), marcus <>
>
> >However, during that late 50s/early 60s era, writers of programs like that usually had their TV families going to church and at least one or two programs with a Christmas theme or backdrop.
> >
> >I just find it odd that Leave It To Beaver didn't.
> >
> >Didn't stop my enjoyment of the program. Ward Cleaver is the greatest TV show Dad of all time.
>
> at least once, it was implied that they attended weekly. Wally wanted
> to buy a car, and part of his argument was that he could take the
> family to church in case Ward's car broke down. I can remember a few
> times when Beaver expressed surprise at Wally or one of his friends
> looking well-dressed and well-groomed when they weren't even at church
> or nothin'.
>
> David Carson
>
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Now, I do recall that. I stand corrected on that account, but still no family Christmas show.
Charles Richmond
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an ordained minister, so that might account for his usually patient demeanor
with the kids.
And Wally and the Beaver *did* go to Sunday school. Just watch the episoded
"Tenting Tonight", for example. (Season 1, Episode 29)
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Charles Richmond
> I think you're wrong I did remember it episode where they talked about Beaver going to Sunday school check it out can't give you the exact one but I do remember it
>
end of "Tenting Tonight", Season 1, Episode 29. Beaver was returning
home from Sunday school in "Beaver's Bad Day", Season 1, Episode 34.
There may have been other episodes that included going to Sunday school.
