The 17th Duke of Norfolk, KG, (1915-2002)
Michael Rhodes
Edinburgh by Field Marshal Lord Bramall, KG, at a memorial Mass for
the Duke of Norfolk, Premier Duke and Earl of England, celebrated in
Westminster Cathedral yesterday by the Cardinal Archbishop of
Westminster.
The Prince of Wales was represented by the Marquess of Cholmondeley,
Princess Royal by Captain Nick Wright, RN, Princess Alice Duchess of
Gloucester and the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester by Major-General
Patrick Stone and Prince and Princess Michael of Kent by Mr Nicholas
Chance.
The Duke of Norfolk, son, read the lesson. The bidding prayers were
led by Mrs George Franks, Miss Jemma Ryecart, Mr Miles Frost, the Earl
of Arundel and Surrey and Flossy Fitzalan Howard, grandchildren.
Father Timothy Radcliffe preached the Gospel and the Most Rev Maurice
Couve de Murville read the Regimental Collect of the Grenadier Guards.
Bandsmen of the Grenadier Guards played the Grenadiers Return during
the service. The Lord Mayor of Westminster attended.
Among others present were:
Anne Duchess of Norfolk (widow), Lord and Lady Gerald Fitzalan Howard
(son and daughter-in-law), Lady Marsha Ryecart (daughter), Mr Roddy
and Lady Tessa Balfour and Sir David and Lady Carina Frost
(sons-in-law and daughters), the Duchess of Norfolk (daughter-in-law),
Lord Thomas Fitzalan Howard, Lord Philip Fitzalan Howard, Lady Rachel
Fitz- alan Howard, Lady Isabel Fitzalan Howard, Arthur Fitzalan
Howard, Grace Fitzalan Howard, Miss Shrimpy Balfour, Miss Tuppy
Balfour, Jubie Balfour, Mr Wilfred Frost, George Frost, Miss Mariella
Ryecart and Freddie Ryecart (grandchildren).
Lord and Lady Michael Fitzalan Howard, Lord and Lady Martin Fitzalan
Howard and Lord and Lady Mark Fitzalan Howard (brothers and
sisters-in-law), Lady Mariegold Jamieson and Lady Miranda Emmet
(sisters), Mr Bernard Kelly (brother-in-law), Mr Alexander Fitzalan
Howard, Mrs Amanda Fitzalan Howard, Mr Arthur Fitzalan Howard, Mrs J
Fitzalan Howard, Miss Amelia Fitzalan Howard, Miss Grace Fitzalan
Howard, Mr and Mrs Richard Fitzalan Howard, Miss Flora Fitzalan
Howard, Mr and Mrs Harry Fitzalan Howard, Mr Edward Fitzalan Howard,
Mr and Mrs Robert Emmet, Mrs David Jamieson, Mr and Mrs Peter
Jamieson, Mr and Mrs James Jamieson, Mr Simon and Lady Laura Jamieson,
Miss Alice Kelly, Mr and Mrs Dominic Kelly, Miss Celina Kelly, Mr
Justin Kelly, Mr David Kelly, Miss Sabine Kelly, Mr Alexander Kelly,
Mr Crispin Kelly, Mrs Lawrence Kelly.
The Duke and Duchess of Marlborough, the Duke and Duchess of Richmond
and Gordon, the Marquess and Marchioness of Salisbury, Earl and
Countess Alexander of Tunis, the Earl of Ancram, QC, and the Countess
of Ancram, the Earl and Countess of Effingham, Earl and Countess
Ferrers, the Earl and Countess of Gainsborough, the Earl of Liverpool,
Earl and Countess Lloyd George of Dwyfor, the Earl of Oxford and
Asquith, Countess Peel.
The Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne, the Earl of Suffolk and
Berkshire, Viscount and Viscountess Bridgeman, Viscount Cranborne,
Viscount and Viscountess De L'Isle, Maria Carmela Viscountess
Hambleden, Viscount Hambleden, Viscount and Viscountess Monckton of
Brenchley, Viscount and Viscountess Sidmouth, Viscount and Viscountess
Slim, Lord and Lady John Kerr.
The Right Rev Michael and Mrs Mann, Lord Abedare, Major-General Lord
and Lady Alvingham, Lord Belhaven and Stenton, Lord Birt, Lord Blaker,
Baroness Blatch, Lady Bramall, Lord Buxton of Alsa, Lady Camoys, Lord
and Lady Campbell of Croy, Lord Carrington, KG, and Lady Carrington,
Lord and Lady Cope of Berkeley, Baroness Cumberlege, Lord Denman, Lord
and Lady Eden of Winton.
Pamela Lady Egremont, Baroness Elles, Lord and Lady Elliott of
Morpeth, Lord St John of Fawsley, Lord Fellowes, Lord and Lady Forte,
General Lord and Lady Guthrie of Craigiebank, Lord Higgins, Lord and
Lady Hindlip, Lord and Lady Irvine of Lairg, Lord and Lady Kindersley,
Lord Kingsdown, KG, and Lady Kingsdown, Lord and Lady Mackay of
Clashfern, Elizabeth Lady Maclean.
Lord and Lady Middleton, Baroness Miller of Hendon, Lord Montagu of
Beaulieu, Lady Mowbray and Stourton, Lord Murton of Lindisfarne, Lord
and Lady Napier and Ettrick, Baroness O'Cathain, Lord and Lady
Quinton, Lord Rawlinson of Ewell, QC, and Lady Rawlinson, Lord Rees,
QC, and Lady Rees, Lord and Lady Remnant, Lord Renton, QC, Lord and
Lady Richardson of Duntisbourne. Lord Savile, Baroness Strange, Lord
Strathclyde, Lord Swinfen, Lord Talbot of Malahide, Lady Thorneycroft,
Lord and Lady Tollemache, Pamela Lady Torpichen, Baroness Trumpington,
Lady Westbury, LieutenantColonel Lord Wigram.
Lady Sarah Clutton, Lady Mary Mumford, Lady Gillian Anderson, Lady
Annunziata Asquith, Lady Anne Eyston, Lady Maureen Fellowes, Lady
Annabel Goldsmith, Lady Katherine Page, the Hon Nicholas Assheton, the
Hon Mrs Hugh Astor, the Hon Richard and Mrs Beaumont, the Hon Mrs
Buchan of Auchmacoy, the Hon Mrs Nona Byrne.
The Hon Mrs Bridget Coles, the Hon Lady de Zulueta, the Hon Mrs
Fleming, the Hon Sir Rocco and Lady Forte, the Hon Mrs Jane Glennie,
the Hon Philip Howard, the Hon Gerard Noel, the Hon Henry and Mrs
Smith, the Hon Mrs Alexander Smith, the Hon Julia Stonor.
Sir James Cayzer, Sir Tobias Clarke, Marcella Lady Dashwood, Major Sir
Philip and Lady Duncombe, Sir Adrian Fitzgerald, Sir Hew and Lady
Hamilton-Dalrymple, Sir Harold and the Hon Lady Hood, Sir Ronald and
Lady Lindsay of Dowhill, Sir Anthony and Lady Meyer, Sir Ashley and
Lady Martha Ponsonby.
Sir Antony and Lady Acland, Sir Christopher and Airy, Sir Anthony and
Lady Bamford, Sir William and Lady Benyon, Lieutenant-Colonel Sir
Simon and Lady Bland, General Sir George and Lady Cooper, Sir Michael
Craig-Cooper, Sir Geoffey Ellerton, Major-General Sir James and Lady
Eyre, Lieutenant General Sir John Foley.
General Sir David and Lady Fraser, Sir Paul and Lady Getty, Sir Carron
and Lady Greig, Lieutenant-Colonel Sir John Johnston, General Sri John
and Lady Learmont, Sir Michael and Lady Marshall, Sir Carol and the
Hon Lady Mather, Sir Brian McGrath, Lieutenant-Colonel Sir John
Miller, Rear-Admiral Sir Morgan Morgan-Giles, Lady Pilcher, General
Sir David and Lady Ramsbotham, Major-General Sir Desmond and Lady
Rice.
Sir Michael Richardson, Lady (Victoria) de Rothschild, Sir Rodney
Sweetnam, Lieutenant-General Sir Richard and Lady Vickers,
MajorGeneral Sir Evelyn and the Hon Lady Webb-Carter, Sir Mark and
Lady Weinberg, Sir Charles and Lady Wiggin, Lieutenant-General Sir
Michael and Lady Willcocks, Sir Paul Wright.
Mr George Mallinckrodt, KBE, Councilor Kevin Gardner and Baroness
Gardner of Parkes, Mr Charles and Lady Katherine Farrell, Mr Anthony
and Lady Elizabeth Leeming, Mr Anthony and Lady Betty Winnington,
Colonel O J M and Lady Clare Lindsay, Mr and the Hon Mrs Damon de
Laszlo, Mr and the Hon Mrs C J K Fordham, Commander and Mrs Michael
Wall, Baroness Vaes.
Lieutenant-Colonel and Mrs W G R Ambrose, Count and Countess Apponyi,
Mr Charles Arkwright, Mr Nicholas Armstrong, Mr Jeremy
Bagwell-Purefoy, Mr and Mrs Nicholas Baker, Mr Keith Baker, Mr and Mrs
Charles Balfour, Miss J Balfour, M and Mme Jean-Claude Banon, Group
Captain and Mrs Richard Bates, Mr and Mrs Michael Baxter, Mr Michael
Bayley, Mr and Mrs Robert Beaumont, Miss Anne Beckwith-Smith, Mr and
Mrs Tim Bell, Mr William Bell, Mr Mark Bence-Jones, Mr and Mrs Lorenzo
Berni, Lieutenant-Colonel and Mrs J R S Besly. Mrs Peter Bickmore, Mr
and Mrs Andrew Bickmore, Miss Fiona Bickmore, Major and Mrs R F Birch
Reynardson, Mr W Birch Reynardson, Mr and Mrs Anthony Bird, Mrs
Richard Blakiston Houston, Major-General and Mrs T A Boam, Colonel and
Mrs E T Bolitho, Mr Philip Bonn, Miss Mary Bonn, Mrs Michel Bonn, Mr
and Mrs Christopher Bosanquet, Mr and Mrs Timothy Boyd Wilson, Mr
Peter Bridgeman, Mr Daniel Brittain-Catlin, Mr and Mrs Myles
Brockbank.
Mr John Brooke-Little, Mr and Mrs Robert Bruce, Major-General and Mrs
R Buckland, Mrs Neville Burston, Sister Pia Buxton, Mr and Mrs John
Buxton, Mr and Mrs Tim Buxton, Mrs Patrick Byrne, Mrs J Calthorpe, Mr
and Mrs Mark Carter, Mr and Mrs Anthony Chambers, Mr and Mrs Dominic
Chambers, Dr Mungo Chambers, Mrs Mollie Chambers, Mr and Mrs Sebastian
Chambers, Miss Alexandra Chambers, Miss Antonia Chambers, Mr and Mrs
Michael Chapman. Mr Hubert Chesshyre, M Stanislas Cieciianowski, Mr
and Mrs John Clarke, Mr and Mrs Harry Clegg, Mr and Mrs Anthony Clegg,
Mr and Mrs David Collet, Mrs Christopher Collins, Mr and Mrs Richard
Compton, Mr Benedict Constable Maxwell, Miss Elizabeth Constable
Maxwell, Mr Simon Constable Maxwell, Mr and Mrs Kit Constable Maxwell,
Mr and Mrs Gavin Constable Maxwell, Mrs Peter Constable Maxwell, Ms
Jeannette Constable Maxwell, Mr and Mrs Robert Constable Maxwell, Mrs
Randle Cooke.
Mr P H Cordle, Mr John Cornforth, Lieutenant-Colonel and Mrs Paul
Courtenay, Mr Martin Crozier, Mr Stanley Cummings, Mr Ingemar
Dahlberg, Mr and Mrs Mark Davies, Mr and Mrs Christopher Davies, Mr
Robert de Stacpoole, Mr Michael de Burgh, Count and Countess de Salis,
Dr Isobel de Salis, Mrs Caroline de la Force, Mr Charles Delevigne, Mr
and Mrs J A N Dennis, Mr P Dilkes, Mrs Michael Dobson, Mr and Mrs
Michael Dormer, Mr and Mrs Rupert Drury, the Very Rev John Drury, Mr
and Mrs A Drysdale, Mr and Mrs J D Drysdale, Colonel and Mrs Andrew
Duncan, Mr Ian Eady, Mr and Mrs Colin Edwards. Dr and Mrs Michael
Elliott, Mr RH G Faber, Mr Peter Farey, Mr and Mrs John Fenner,
Colonel and Mrs Ian Ferguson, Mr F Fitzherbert-Brockholes, Mr Jeffrey
Flanders, Mr and Mrs Robin Fleming, Mr V Fleming, Mr and Mrs A K H
Fletcher, Mr Ben Fogle, Mme Genevieve François Poncet, Professor
Ingrid Frankopan, Prince and Princess Nicholas Frankopan, Paola
Frankopan, Count Louis Frankopan, Mr Rolly Franks, Mr George Franks.
Mr Charles Fraser, Lieutenant-Colonel C W Fullbrook, Mr James Gilbey,
Mr and Mrs John Goble, MajorGeneral and Mrs Bernard Gordon Lennox Mr A
G S Gore Browne, Mr and Mrs Jack Gore, Mr and Mrs Harry Goring, Mr and
Mrs Robin Gowland, Mr Peter Grisewood, Count and Countess Guagni dei
Marcovaldi, Mr Peter Gwynn-Jones (Garter Principal King of Arms), Dr
and Mrs J F Hanratty, Mr and Mrs John Hawkins, Mrs P M Hay-Will, Mr
and Mrs Chris Haywood, Mr and Mrs John Haywood, Mr and Mrs John
Heathcote.
Mr and Mrs Algernon Heber-Percy, Mr and Mrs Anthony Hector, Mrs Henry
Hely-Hutchinson, Brigadier and Mrs S A Heywood, Mrs Audrey Hoare, Mr R
G Holland Martin, Mr David Hopkinson, Mrs Adrian Hopkinson, Mrs R
Horne, Mrs Thomas Hornyold-Strickland, Mrs Michael Houseman, Mr and
Mrs Anthony Howard, Mr and Mrs Greville Howard, Miss Annabel Howard,
Mrs Annette Howard, Mr Charles Howard, Mr and Mrs Esme Howard,
Brigadier and Mrs J H Howarth, Commander and Mrs Peregrine Hubbard, Mr
and Mrs Barry Hughes, the Rev Paul and Mrs Hulme.
Mrs Jemima Khan, Mr and Mrs Peter Ingram, Mr John Jaques, Mr Jeremy
Jones, Mr and Mrs James Jowitt, Mr Charles Kidd, Mr and Mrs Peter
Knight, Dr Mary Knowles, Mr and Mrs Peter Laing, Major and Mrs Miles
Lambert, Mrs Derek Lawson, Councillor Mrs S Le Moine, Mrs I M Leeming,
Mr Nicholas Leeming, Mr Brian Lineham, Mr Peter Liptrott, Mr and Mrs
David Lock, Mr and Mrs Brian MacDermot, Mr and Mrs Charles MacDonald,
Mr and Mrs John MacDonald, Mr and Mrs Andrew MacDonald.
Mrs Rowena Malcolm Green, Miss D M Malley, Major-General and Mrs W D
Mangham, Mr John McLaren, Mrs C McLaren-Throckmorton, Mr and Mrs Bruce
McNair, Mr and Mrs Peter Meinertzhagen, Professor and Mrs Anthony
Mellows, Mr and Mrs William Merton, Mr and Mrs John Micklethwaite, Mr
and Mrs Richard Micklethwaite, Mr and Mrs Robert Miles, Mgr P A Miles,
Mr and Mrs Christopher Miles, Mr John Miller, Mrs Susan Mitchell, Mrs
Ann Money-Coutts, Mr and Mrs R Moore, Mr and Mrs W Moore, Mr Roger
Morgan, Mr Rodney Morgan-Giles, Mr Martin Morton, Mr Kevin
Murphy-O'Connor.
Mr Charles Nickerson, Mr John Nobes, Mr Philip Noel, Group Captain
Derek North, Mr and Mrs Stafford, Northcote, Mr and Mrs Charles
Nunneley, Mr and Mrs John Nunneley, Mr F O'Donoghue, Mr and Mrs Tim
O'Donovan, Mr and Mrs Martin O'Neil, Mr and Mrs Denis O'Neill, Mr and
Mrs David Palmer, Mr John Paxman, Mr David Pearson, Mr and Mrs John
Phillips, Mr and Mrs Max Pike, Miss Molly Pike, Miss Amy Pike. Mr
Simon Portal, Mr and Mrs Nicholas Powell, Mrs Roger Pratt, Brigadier
and Mrs P G A Prescott, Colonel and Mrs George Randall, Mr and Mrs
Douglas Rees, Father Keith Richards, Mr and Mrs Geoff Richards, Mr and
Mrs Charles Richardson, Mrs Susan Roberts, Mr and Mrs Nicholas
Robinson, Mr and Mrs Francis Roos, Dr Anthony Salusbury Brereton, Mr
Philip Saunders, Mr and Mrs John Sclater, Mr Ian Scott, Miss Clare
Sefi, Mr Charles Sefi, Mr Michael Sefi, Mr and Mrs Roger Shapland. Mrs
Jack Steinberg, Mrs Arthur Stewart-Liberty, Mr and Mrs Nigel Stourton,
Dr Michael Straiton, Mr and Mrs R Subba Row, Mr and Mrs Adrian Sykes,
Dr Nigel Sykes, Mrs Marsha Tanner, Mr and Mrs John Tarrant,
Lieutenant-Colonel T J Tedder, Mr and Mrs Henry Tempest, Mrs Alfonso
Torrents Del Prats, Mr Peter Troughton, Colonel and Mrs Greville
Tufnell, Mr and Mrs Michael Tunbridge, Mr and Mrs William Tustin, Mr
Geoffrey van Cutsem, Mr and Mrs Georges van Erck.
Mr and Mrs Graham Wadsworth, Mrs Kenneth Wagg, Mr and Mrs George
Warne, Mr and Mrs Bertie Way, Major-General Rex Whitworth, Mr Charles
Wigan, Mr and Mrs Anthony Wilson, Mr Julian Winser, Mr and Mrs Simon
Wood, Miss Alethea Wood, Miss Miranda Wood, Mr Charles Wood, Mr and
Mrs Thomas Woodcock, Mr and Mrs Freddie Woodhead, Mr Archie Woodhead,
Mr and Mrs Nicholas Woodhead, Mr Bertie Woodhead, Mr and Mrs Hugh
Wyatt, Mr J A Wynne-Williams and representatives of The Arundel Castle
Staff, Black Rod's Office, the Catholic Scout Advisory Council, the
Fishmongers' Company, the Guards Division Association, the Hospital of
St John and Elizabeth, Help the Hospices, St Joseph's Hospice, the
Tablet Trust, the Friends of Westminster Cathedral, Arun Choral and
HSBC with friends and representatives of other organisations.
Robert R. Feigel (aka Bob)
Rhodes) wrote:
>The Queen was represented by Princess Alexandra and the Duke of
>Edinburgh by Field Marshal Lord Bramall, KG, at a memorial Mass for
>the Duke of Norfolk, Premier Duke and Earl of England, celebrated in
>Westminster Cathedral yesterday by the Cardinal Archbishop of
>Westminster.
>
>The Prince of Wales was represented by the Marquess of Cholmondeley,
>Princess Royal by Captain Nick Wright, RN, Princess Alice Duchess of
>Gloucester and the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester by Major-General
>Patrick Stone and Prince and Princess Michael of Kent by Mr Nicholas
>Chance.
>
>The Duke of Norfolk, son, read the lesson. The bidding prayers were
>led by Mrs George Franks, Miss Jemma Ryecart, Mr Miles Frost, the Earl
>of Arundel and Surrey and Flossy Fitzalan Howard, grandchildren.
>
>Father Timothy Radcliffe preached the Gospel and the Most Rev Maurice
>Couve de Murville read the Regimental Collect of the Grenadier Guards.
>
>Bandsmen of the Grenadier Guards played the Grenadiers Return during
>the service. The Lord Mayor of Westminster attended.
>
>Among others present were:
> A cast of thousands <snipped>
Never having attended a funeral for a titled person of this exalted
rank (eg: "Premier Duke and Earl of England) , I am wondering why
*all* the ranking 'Royals' sent representatives rather than attending
in person? Was this some sort of royal snub?
Bob
Christian Hansen
<rrfe...@earthsea.co.enzed> wrote:
>Never having attended a funeral for a titled person of this exalted
>rank (eg: "Premier Duke and Earl of England) , I am wondering why
>*all* the ranking 'Royals' sent representatives rather than attending
>in person? Was this some sort of royal snub?
Royals normally don't attend funerals of people not members of a Royal family
(theirs or someone else's). The Queen was in attendance at Churchill's funeral
(according to a quickie Google search on "Was the Queen at Churchill's
funeral?") but it is very unusual for her to attend a funeral of someone, even
such an exalted peer as the Duke, not a member of her family.
She normally sends senior Royals such as the Prince of Wales to foreign Royal
funerals...who she sends depends on how close she was to the family concerned.
--
Chris Hansen | chrishansenhome at btinternet dot com
http://www.hansenhome.demon.co.uk
Michael Rhodes
This wasn't a funeral. It was a Memorial Service. At the funeral of
the 16th Duke of Norfolk in February, 1975, the Prince of Wales
attended along with Princess Alexandra, the Hon Mrs Angus Ogilvy.
--
Michael.
Terrymelin
attending a Roman Catholic mass?
Terry Ellsworth
Christian Hansen
>Are we to deduce from this that members of the Royal Family are prohibited from
>attending a Roman Catholic mass?
No, I don't believe so. They just can't marry them and retain their right to
inherit the throne. The Queen went to a Vespers service in Westminster
Cathedral in 1995, and was the first English monarch to do so since the
Reformation. I don't know whether she's been to a RC mass, but a quickie
Google search doesn't shed any light on that.
I believe that members of the Orange Order are normally prohibited from
attending a RC service or even entering a RC church; David Trimble was
disciplined for attending the RC funeral of a friend, I believe.
The Chief Rabbi, when attending Cardinal Hume's funeral a few years ago, did
not enter the Cathedral but watched it on TV from Archbishop's House.
As for the difference between a funeral and a memorial service, the memorial
service is a British institution that allows the family and close friends to
attend the actual funeral in peace, and then gives the wider circle of friends
and acquaintances a chance to officially mourn later on. Even reasonably
plebeian persons often have both a funeral and a memorial service. It's
normally not Eucharistic if Anglican in nature, but having a memorial mass
later on after a RC has died is (or was when I was growing up RC) common. I
don't believe that the monarch normally goes to either type of service. She
does send representatives if the person is important, and (as in the Duke's
case) may send members of her own family to the funeral or memorial service if
s/he is especially important. I don't expect that the Earl of Whatever Hamlet
would get much more than Paul Burrill as Queen's Representative.
Terrymelin
>from
>>attending a Roman Catholic mass?
>
>No, I don't believe so. They just can't marry them and
Thanks for the answer. That, of course, makes it seem strange to me that no
senior member of the Royal Family would attend the memorial service for the
senior Duke (non-royal) in the land. Strange. IMHO.
Terry Ellsworth
Cpl. O'Reilly
<terry...@aol.com> wrote:
Perhaps it's not a question of the royals being prohibited from
attending. Maybe it's that they simply didn't want to, in order to
avoid "making a statement" or something.
I have no idea if any senior royal has ever attended a Roman Catholic
Mass. Perhaps someone here knows.