Condo where Bob Crane was killed to sell on eBay
Ed Varner
Kate Nolan, The Arizona Republic
May. 14, 2003 01:15 PM
Poolside condo for sale. Two bedrooms, two baths and a scandalous past.
Bob Crane slept here.
On Thursday, the apartment at 7430 E. Chaparral Road, where TV star Robert
Crane was bludgeoned to death in 1978, goes on sale on eBay.
When the Hogan's Heroes headliner died in a bedroom littered with porn videos
and movie-making gear, he was instantly outed as a sex addict and pornographer
and was eventually the subject of two books, a Web site and a movie, 2002's
Auto Focus.
What's the price of celebrity sleaze? Scottsdale Realtor Ardy Haines and the
condo's owner/occupants Ron and Pat Herbst, put it at about $80,000.
Similar units in the Winfield Place complex go for around $100,000; online
bidding for unit 132-A opens at $180,000.
Elaine Young, possibly the most renowned celebrity real estate agent in Beverly
Hills, thinks the Herbsts may get their price.
"People love to buy houses where murders happened - and they'll pay more for
them," Young said.
"For Sharon Tate's house, they paid three times its value," she said of the
home of the 1970s starlet and wife of Roman Polansky slain by Charles Manson's
gang. "The home that actor Gig Young killed himself in was bought for two times
its value.
"According to real estate law, you are obligated to tell if a murder has been
committed there within three years. But I tell everybody everything. They want
to know," said Young, who supposes the appetite for Scottsdale scandal may be
as voracious as in Hollywood.
Winfield Place converted from rentals to condos in 1980, when a Canadian couple
purchased unit 132-A. They sold it to the Herbsts in 1986 without mentioning
the murder. Their daughter, Tami, was the one who found out.
A junior at ASU in 1986, Tami lived in the apartment for a few years while her
parents remained in Wisconsin. One night, someone anonymously left a copy of an
Arizona Republic story about the crime at her door. The unit number had been
highlighted in yellow.
Now Tami Andrate, a married 36-year-old insurance underwriter in Gilbert,
remembers it. "I freaked out and called Dad," she said. Then she locked the
windows and the doors. The next day she checked with the police and verified
that her apartment had been the crime scene.
Henceforth she steered clear of "that" bedroom and never stayed in the
apartment on the death anniversary. She said she'd often hear the toilet
mysteriously flush at night, and once she felt a presence at the end of her
bed. "I thought I needed to confront it and told it: 'Bob, I'm not afraid of
you - leave me the hell alone.' " She never heard from it/him again.
Her parents moved into the condo in 1992 and currently sleep in "that" room
without incident. They like it. Pat Herbst even seems mystified that Inside
Edition wanted to film the inside of her home after the movie Auto Focus came
out. When Deborah Norville knocked on the door, Pat didn't let her in.
The property came to market almost by chance. Haines, a friend of the Herbst
couple, has handled the sale of several units in the complex and was recently
approached by a Scottsdale bar owner who asked her about "the Crane apartment."
He offered $150,000, but the Herbsts, retirees in their 60s who hadn't thought
about selling it, asked for $180,000. The barman lost interest, but his offer
aroused their interest.
Haines, 66, and Andrade both follow eBay and agreed it was worth a try to
attract what Haines calls "that certain clientele" for whom the Crane
association would be a plus.
What if the plan backfires? The Herbsts say they are unconcerned. But they have
a lot riding on it - they own a total of five units at Winfield Place. Haines
also owns an apartment there that she plans to move into when she retires.
Pat Herbst would just as soon stay. "Moving after 11 years is gonna be a lot of
work," she said.
http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0514cranecondo-On.html
Jim Beaver
"Ed Varner" <evar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Interesting tidbit: realtor Elaine Young is Gig Young's ex-wife.
Jim Beaver
J.D. Baldwin
In the previous article, Ed Varner <evar...@aol.com> wrote:
> Bob Crane slept here.
Not much, he didn't.
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consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:
> Condo where Crane was killed to sell on eBay
>
> Kate Nolan, The Arizona Republic
> May. 14, 2003 01:15 PM
>
> Poolside condo for sale. Two bedrooms, two baths and a scandalous past.
>
> Bob Crane slept here.
Crane never woke up there either.
I wonder if there's really a hidden tunnel under that bed?
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support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the
success of liberty" - John F. Kennedy -
Cpl. O'Reilly
<evar...@aol.com> wrote:
> Pat Herbst even seems mystified that Inside Edition wanted to film
> the inside of her home after the movie Auto Focus came out. When
> Deborah Norville knocked on the door, Pat didn't let her in.
Hooray for Pat!
Bill Schenley
<snipped>
More gratuitous name dropping:
Thirty-plus years ago I was working in Los Angeles ... Bob
Crane comes in and pays with his BankAmerica Card ... I
asked for ID ... He went ballistic.
I used to love doing that ...
Louis Epstein
:> Condo where Crane was killed to sell on eBay ...
: <snipped>
: More gratuitous name dropping:
So if you were running a place with a liquor license and
the Mormon Apostles wanted to use your *salad* bar,
you'd ask them each for two proofs of age?
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Terrymelin
Terry Ellsworth
Daddy Freddy
>"For Sharon Tate's house, they paid three times its value," she said of the
>home of the 1970s starlet and wife of Roman Polansky slain by Charles Manson's
>gang. "The home that actor Gig Young killed himself in was bought for two times
>its value.
"Polanksy"? Is this a legit newspaper or a high-school rag?
PirateJohn
>
>Terry Ellsworth
It was. It has since been converted to condos, according to the article.
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Looks At Forty.
James Hall
and in the history of humankind.
Only In Americaaaa ain't just a saying, eh ?
JHall.
Ohhh happy happy bidding and "Happy Trails" to you.
When is the "next" murder trial scheduled on TV ?
"Ed Varner" <evar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ...
James Hall
"Terrymelin" <terry...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I always thought it was a motel he was killed at?
Hey you, yaa you terry terry oh so ordinary olde b00by was not
"killed" as no-one was ever arrested.
JHall.
dave b.
"Daddy Freddy" <daddy...@pronto.yi.org> wrote in message
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I noticed that to because I have a girl cousin<hee hee> by that last name.
--
Dave B
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then. - Toby Keith
Hoodude
<daddy...@pronto.yi.org> wrote:
>Ed Varner wrote:
>>"For Sharon Tate's house, they paid three times its value," she said of the
>>home of the 1970s starlet and wife of Roman Polansky slain by Charles Manson's
>>gang. "The home that actor Gig Young killed himself in was bought for two times
>>its value.
>"Polanksy"? Is this a legit newspaper or a high-school rag?
I missed that error but the one preceding it really caught my eye.
Kind of difficult for Sharon Tate to be labeled a "1970s starlet" when
she was murdered in August of 1969.
--
If they give you ruled paper, write the other way.
- Juan Ramón Jiménez
dave b.
"§no§hoo" <snos...@att.net> wrote in message
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> PirateJohn <pirat...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> >> I always thought it was a motel he was killed at?
> >>
> >> Terry Ellsworth
> >
> > It was. It has since been converted to condos, according to the
> > article.
>
> replying to before shooting from the hip and making a fool of
> themselves. Yes, I also thought it was a motel, but the article
> clearly explains why it is now a condo. Scottsdale, AZ...ever been
> there? <g>
>
> --
> snoshoo
>
> "Love is, above all, the gift of oneself."
> - Jean Anouilh
>
>
I know you didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway.<g> I've been there with
wife, her sister and hubby, about 2 months after the A&W adventure. lol None
of us liked the weather there, only stayed about 3 weeks.Too hot in day and
too sudden cool down at nights.
~Mary
§no§hoo wrote:
> PirateJohn <pirat...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>>>I always thought it was a motel he was killed at?
>>>
>>>Terry Ellsworth
>>
>>It was. It has since been converted to condos, according to the
>>article.
>
>
> replying to before shooting from the hip and making a fool of
> themselves. Yes, I also thought it was a motel, but the article
> clearly explains why it is now a condo. Scottsdale, AZ...ever been
> there? <g>
> --
> snoshoo
>> Winfield Place converted from rentals to condos in 1980...
I read the article and not once did I see it say it was a motel either.
It wasn't a motel. It was a rental apartment complex. Bob Crane
rented the apartment while he was in the area performing at a dinner
theater.
The confusion might be with his friend John Carpenter. Who _was_
staying in a motel/hotel that was located just around the corner on
Scottsdale Road. It is now The Sunburst Resort. Their Four Cheese
Penne is out of this world.
~Mary
For further reading:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/famous/articles/0522Unsolved-Hogan22.html
dave b.
>
> "dave b." <dad269@hotmailNO$$SPAM.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Daddy Freddy" <daddy...@pronto.yi.org> wrote in message
> > news:d37ccv4s6gnete13c...@4ax.com...
> > > On 16 May 2003 23:16:52 GMT, evar...@aol.com (Ed Varner) wrote:
> > >
> > > >"For Sharon Tate's house, they paid three times its value," she
> said of
> > the
> > > >home of the 1970s starlet and wife of Roman Polansky slain by
> Charles
> > Manson's
> > > >gang. "The home that actor Gig Young killed himself in was bought
> for two
> > times
> > > >its value.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Polanksy"? Is this a legit newspaper or a high-school rag?
> >
> > I noticed that to because I have a girl cousin<hee hee> by that last
> name.
>
> strikes against her already.
> --
> snoshoo
>
> "Love is, above all, the gift of oneself."
> - Jean Anouilh
>
>
No, Polanski, like the director. Not from Syracuse either.
dave b.
>
> "dave b." <dad269@hotmailNO$$SPAM.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "§no§hoo" <snos...@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:diuxa.160389$ja4.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > PirateJohn <pirat...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> > > >> I always thought it was a motel he was killed at?
> > > >>
> > > >> Terry Ellsworth
> > > >
> > > > It was. It has since been converted to condos, according to the
> > > > article.
> > >
> > > Would be nice if some people would actually *read* what they are
> > > replying to before shooting from the hip and making a fool of
> > > themselves. Yes, I also thought it was a motel, but the article
> > > clearly explains why it is now a condo. Scottsdale, AZ...ever
> been
> > > there? <g>
> > >
> > > --
> > > snoshoo
> > >
> > > "Love is, above all, the gift of oneself."
> > > - Jean Anouilh
> > >
> > >
> > I know you didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway.<g>
>
>
> I've been there with
> > wife, her sister and hubby, about 2 months after the A&W adventure.
> lol
>
>
> None
> > of us liked the weather there, only stayed about 3 weeks.Too hot in
> day and
> > too sudden cool down at nights.
>
> dust) staying with my parents. At night was the only time I liked the
> weather. I guess you weren't there in mid-summer? <gak!>
> --
> snoshoo
>
> "Love is, above all, the gift of oneself."
> - Jean Anouilh
>
>
>
I guess it was kind of like a honeymoon. <g> I remember not liking her
sister at all, then a couple years later we became good friends. She is the
only one I get along with in wife's family now.
--
Dave B
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then. - Toby Keith
No we were there in January.
DaddyFreddy
>
>"dave b." <dad269@hotmailNO$$SPAM.com> wrote in message
>news:ba64e...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>>
>> "Daddy Freddy" <daddy...@pronto.yi.org> wrote in message
>> news:d37ccv4s6gnete13c...@4ax.com...
>> > On 16 May 2003 23:16:52 GMT, evar...@aol.com (Ed Varner) wrote:
>> >
>> > >"For Sharon Tate's house, they paid three times its value," she
>said of
>> the
>> > >home of the 1970s starlet and wife of Roman Polansky slain by
>Charles
>> Manson's
>> > >gang. "The home that actor Gig Young killed himself in was bought
>for two
>> times
>> > >its value.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Polanksy"? Is this a legit newspaper or a high-school rag?
>>
>> I noticed that to because I have a girl cousin<hee hee> by that last
>name.
>
>"PolanKSy? Is she from Sirexcuse? Sheesh, the poor thing has 2
>strikes against her already.
What the fuck is your obsession with Syracuse, you dumb cunt? Did you lose a cat there?
dave b.
>
> "dave b." <dad269@hotmailNO$$SPAM.com> wrote in message
> >
> > "§no§hoo" <snos...@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:ZEzxa.161177$ja4.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> her
> > sister at all, then a couple years later we became good friends.
> She is the
> > only one I get along with in wife's family now.
>
Naw, you know me better then that.:) I never was close to any of the family
anyway. I should have wrote "She is still the only one...".
--
Dave B
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then. - Toby Keith
>
> > No we were there in January.
>
> Three weeks? You're lucky it wasn't a rainy year. Some Januarys it
> rains 3 weeks non-stop. You'd REALLY have not liked AZ. (for me, I
> liked the rain .. nice change)
> --
> snoshoo
>
> The story of a love is not important -- what is important is that one
> is capable of love. It is perhaps the only glimpse we are permitted
> of eternity.....Helen Hayes
>
>
>
Daddy Freddy
>--
>Dave B
>
>I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then. - Toby Keith
Can't Bob Seger lay claim to that lyric a few decades ago?