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Bill Schenley
May 7, 2012, 4:22:58 PM5/7/12
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Son of former New York Yankees first baseman Wally Pipp dies
Photo: http://tinyurl.com/7rax6e6
FROM: The Grand Rapids (MI) Press ~
By Peter J. Wallner
GRAND RAPIDS, MI.
Thomas J. Pipp, son of former New York Yankees first baseman Wally
Pipp, has died.
Graveside services at Woodlawn Cemetery are planned for 11 a.m. Friday
for Pipp, 83, who died last Friday in Lakewood Ranch, Fla.
Mr. Pipp’s father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after his
playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2, 1925
because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went on to
play in 2,130 consecutive games – a record that stood for 56 years -
and become a Hall of Famer.
Pipp played 15 years in the majors, 11 of them with the Yankees, and
finished with a .281 batting average with 90 home runs in 1,872 games.
He died in 1965 at age 71 and is also buried at Woodlawn Cemetery.
Mr. Pipp, in his obituary, “was an avid baseball fan, as well as a
devoted father and a successful businessman. He will be remembered for
his sense of humor and his love for telling stories of his adventures
in the business world and his father’s days in baseball.”
Survivors include six children: Rev. Thomas J. Pipp, S.J., of St.
Paul, Minn.; Jaime (Gary) Deuling of Fremont; Lacy (Steve) Livingston
of Saline; Mary Pipp of Safety Harbor, Fla.; Kathleen (Mark) Kemperman
of Grand Rapids and Daniel (Tina) Pipp of Tampa, Fla.
Tom Pipps’ brother, Wally Pipp Jr. died in Feb. 2009.
Photo: http://tinyurl.com/7rax6e6
FROM: The Grand Rapids (MI) Press ~
By Peter J. Wallner
GRAND RAPIDS, MI.
Thomas J. Pipp, son of former New York Yankees first baseman Wally
Pipp, has died.
Graveside services at Woodlawn Cemetery are planned for 11 a.m. Friday
for Pipp, 83, who died last Friday in Lakewood Ranch, Fla.
Mr. Pipp’s father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after his
playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2, 1925
because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went on to
play in 2,130 consecutive games – a record that stood for 56 years -
and become a Hall of Famer.
Pipp played 15 years in the majors, 11 of them with the Yankees, and
finished with a .281 batting average with 90 home runs in 1,872 games.
He died in 1965 at age 71 and is also buried at Woodlawn Cemetery.
Mr. Pipp, in his obituary, “was an avid baseball fan, as well as a
devoted father and a successful businessman. He will be remembered for
his sense of humor and his love for telling stories of his adventures
in the business world and his father’s days in baseball.”
Survivors include six children: Rev. Thomas J. Pipp, S.J., of St.
Paul, Minn.; Jaime (Gary) Deuling of Fremont; Lacy (Steve) Livingston
of Saline; Mary Pipp of Safety Harbor, Fla.; Kathleen (Mark) Kemperman
of Grand Rapids and Daniel (Tina) Pipp of Tampa, Fla.
Tom Pipps’ brother, Wally Pipp Jr. died in Feb. 2009.
Corby Gilmore
May 7, 2012, 6:24:08 PM5/7/12
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Bill Schenley (b.sch...@gmail.com) writes:
>
> Photo: http://tinyurl.com/7rax6e6
>
> FROM: The Grand Rapids (MI) Press ~
> By Peter J. Wallner
>
> GRAND RAPIDS, MI.
>
> Thomas J. Pipp, son of former New York Yankees first baseman Wally
> Pipp, has died.
>
> Graveside services at Woodlawn Cemetery are planned for 11 a.m. Friday
> for Pipp, 83, who died last Friday in Lakewood Ranch, Fla.
>
> Mr. Pipp=92s father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after his
>
> Photo: http://tinyurl.com/7rax6e6
>
> FROM: The Grand Rapids (MI) Press ~
> By Peter J. Wallner
>
> GRAND RAPIDS, MI.
>
> Thomas J. Pipp, son of former New York Yankees first baseman Wally
> Pipp, has died.
>
> Graveside services at Woodlawn Cemetery are planned for 11 a.m. Friday
> for Pipp, 83, who died last Friday in Lakewood Ranch, Fla.
>
> playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2, 1925
> because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went on to
> play in 2,130 consecutive games =96 a record that stood for 56 years -
> because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went on to
> and become a Hall of Famer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I didnt know that a baseball record could become a HOF'er!!
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danny burstein
May 8, 2012, 1:18:37 AM5/8/12
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Bill Schenley (b.sch...@gmail.com) writes:
[quoteth/snippeth]
> Mr. Pipp's father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after his
in Michigan....
The story about the senior Mr. Pipp is a nice bit of fiction.
ah, clickety click:
http://www.snopes.com/sports/baseball/pipp.asp
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[quoteth/snippeth]
> Mr. Pipp's father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after his
> playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2, 1925
> because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went on to
> play in 2,130 consecutive games - a record that stood for 56 years -
> because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went on to
> and become a Hall of Famer.
I didn't know the NY Times's Alessandra Stanley was moonlighting
in Michigan....
The story about the senior Mr. Pipp is a nice bit of fiction.
ah, clickety click:
http://www.snopes.com/sports/baseball/pipp.asp
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Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
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J.D. Baldwin
May 8, 2012, 11:03:01 AM5/8/12
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In the previous article, Corby Gilmore <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA>
wrote:
> > Mr. Pipp=92s father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after
> > his playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2,
> > 1925 because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went
> > on to play in 2,130 consecutive games =96 a record that stood for 56
> > years - and become a Hall of Famer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> I didnt know that a baseball record could become a HOF'er!!
The article doesn't say that. The ASCII-fication does, sort of.
> > his playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2,
> > 1925 because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went
> > on to play in 2,130 consecutive games =96 a record that stood for 56
> > years - and become a Hall of Famer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> I didnt know that a baseball record could become a HOF'er!!
The article reads "[...] Lou Gehrig, who went on to play in 2,130
consecutive games -- a record that stood for 56 years -- and become a
Hall of Famer."
There's nothing at all wrong with that. The stuff between the dashes
is an aside about the number of games, not to be parsed as the object
of that last clause. Gehrig became the Hall-of-Famer, just like the
sentence says.
Here's his paid obit from the GR Press:
PIPP, THOMAS J. Grand Rapids Thomas J. Pipp, age 83, died the
morning of Friday, May 4, 2012, in Lakewood Ranch, Florida. Tom
was the son of Nora and Walter Pipp. Walter played first base in
the 1920's for the New York Yankees. As the son of a player for
the Yankees, Tom was an avid baseball fan, as well as a devoted
father and a successful businessman. He will be remembered for his
sense of humor and his love for telling stories of his adventures
in the business world and his father's days is baseball. He is
sense of humor and his love for telling stories of his adventures
survived by six children: Rev. Thomas J. Pipp, S.J., of St. Paul,
Minnesota; Jaime (Gary) Deuling of Fremont, Michigan; Lacy (Steve)
Livingston of Saline, Michigan; Mary Pipp of Safety Harbor,
Florida; Kathleen (Mark) Kemperman of Grand Rapids and Daniel
(Tina) Pipp of Tampa, Florida. He is also survived by his beloved
ten grandchildren, two loving Boston terriers, Patti and Gracie,
and his best friend of 66 years, Stuart Jacobson. NOTE CHANGE OF
SERVICE. Graveside services for Tom will take place in Grand
Rapids on Friday at 11:00 AM at Woodlawn Cemetery (west side)
corner of Kalamazoo and Alger, SE.
That story about the "headache," by the way, is kind of bullshit.
Pipp actually had a concussion from being nailed in the head by a
pitch and was hospitalized for several days. That's how Gehrig got
into the lineup. The true story is more interesting and dramatic,
I have no idea how the legendary version got watered down so.
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Brad Ferguson
May 8, 2012, 3:42:49 PM5/8/12
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In article <jobcj5$m1e$1...@reader1.panix.com>, J.D. Baldwin
the whole Pipp story.
<http://www.snopes.com/sports/baseball/pipp.asp>
To summarize, the 1925 Yankees really sucked (they were in seventh
place) and manager Miller Huggins shook up his lineup during the first
week of June, putting Gehrig at first and making some other changes as
well. Snopes says, "Contemporary news accounts leave no doubt that
Wally Pipp did not sit out the game on 2 June 1925 with a headache; he
was deliberately benched by a manager who had charge of a team that was
playing poorly and who opted to sit down some of his older players to
give others a try." Hug's new lineup left only Ruth and two other
veterans in place. There's lots more at the link.
<INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
> That story about the "headache," by the way, is kind of bullshit.
> Pipp actually had a concussion from being nailed in the head by a
> pitch and was hospitalized for several days. That's how Gehrig got
> into the lineup. The true story is more interesting and dramatic,
> I have no idea how the legendary version got watered down so.
dannyb linked to a Snopes article that calls bullshit on pretty much
> That story about the "headache," by the way, is kind of bullshit.
> Pipp actually had a concussion from being nailed in the head by a
> pitch and was hospitalized for several days. That's how Gehrig got
> into the lineup. The true story is more interesting and dramatic,
> I have no idea how the legendary version got watered down so.
the whole Pipp story.
<http://www.snopes.com/sports/baseball/pipp.asp>
To summarize, the 1925 Yankees really sucked (they were in seventh
place) and manager Miller Huggins shook up his lineup during the first
week of June, putting Gehrig at first and making some other changes as
well. Snopes says, "Contemporary news accounts leave no doubt that
Wally Pipp did not sit out the game on 2 June 1925 with a headache; he
was deliberately benched by a manager who had charge of a team that was
playing poorly and who opted to sit down some of his older players to
give others a try." Hug's new lineup left only Ruth and two other
veterans in place. There's lots more at the link.
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Corby Gilmore
May 8, 2012, 8:26:04 PM5/8/12
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J.D. Baldwin (INVALID...@example.com.invalid) writes:
> In the previous article, Corby Gilmore <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA>
> wrote:
>> > Mr. Pipp=92s father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after
>> > his playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2,
>> > 1925 because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went
>> > on to play in 2,130 consecutive games =96 a record that stood for 56
>> > years - and become a Hall of Famer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>> I didnt know that a baseball record could become a HOF'er!!
>
> The article doesn't say that. The ASCII-fication does, sort of.
>
> The article reads "[...] Lou Gehrig, who went on to play in 2,130
> consecutive games -- a record that stood for 56 years -- and become a
> Hall of Famer."
>
> There's nothing at all wrong with that. The stuff between the dashes
> is an aside about the number of games, not to be parsed as the object
> of that last clause. Gehrig became the Hall-of-Famer, just like the
> sentence says.
Thank you, J.D. It just looked funny to me.
> In the previous article, Corby Gilmore <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA>
> wrote:
>> > Mr. Pipp=92s father, who grew up in Grand Rapids and returned after
>> > his playing days, is known for coming out of the lineup on June 2,
>> > 1925 because of a headache. He was replaced by Lou Gehrig, who went
>> > on to play in 2,130 consecutive games =96 a record that stood for 56
>> > years - and become a Hall of Famer. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>> I didnt know that a baseball record could become a HOF'er!!
>
> The article doesn't say that. The ASCII-fication does, sort of.
>
> The article reads "[...] Lou Gehrig, who went on to play in 2,130
> consecutive games -- a record that stood for 56 years -- and become a
> Hall of Famer."
>
> There's nothing at all wrong with that. The stuff between the dashes
> is an aside about the number of games, not to be parsed as the object
> of that last clause. Gehrig became the Hall-of-Famer, just like the
> sentence says.
> That story about the "headache," by the way, is kind of bullshit.
> Pipp actually had a concussion from being nailed in the head by a
> pitch and was hospitalized for several days. That's how Gehrig got
> into the lineup. The true story is more interesting and dramatic,
> I have no idea how the legendary version got watered down so.
concussions, as we now do today. Granted we dont know a lot more than
they did, but, what we now understand to be a concussion they looked at as
just a bad headache.
Corby Gilmore
May 8, 2012, 8:30:58 PM5/8/12
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The Snopes article makes perfect sense, but the "headache" tale was
probably the excuse that Miller Huggins used.
Brad Ferguson
May 8, 2012, 9:22:16 PM5/8/12
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In article <jocds2$8ag$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca>, Corby Gilmore
There's no reason to presume that. The Yankees were in seventh place
in June after having lost the pennant the preceding season to the
Senators. Hug tried to arrest the downward spiral by replacing six of
the nine men in his aging batting order, and he didn't need to make any
excuses to do it. Hug left Ruth alone, which was probably wise; I
don't think he would have gotten away with benching Ruth, even though
Ruth was having as bad a year as any of the others.
in June after having lost the pennant the preceding season to the
Senators. Hug tried to arrest the downward spiral by replacing six of
the nine men in his aging batting order, and he didn't need to make any
excuses to do it. Hug left Ruth alone, which was probably wise; I
don't think he would have gotten away with benching Ruth, even though
Ruth was having as bad a year as any of the others.
Bill Schenley
May 9, 2012, 12:24:01 AM5/9/12
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> Looks like Bill S. (and many others) got caught in the urban
> legend "facts."
<Sigh> You continue to be a moron. I got caught in no urban legend
facts. Wally Pipp had been discussed in depth here on alt.obituaries
in past years. My subject header reads: "Thomas Pipp, 83; Best-Known
for Father With a Headache," and that is a fact.
Whether or not the headache was real, imagined, or made up is not
important. When people hear the name Wally Pipp they think of a man
with a headache.
Two previous obituaries I posted.
Wally Pipp Jr.'s obituary:
http://tinyurl.com/d3964w3
"History tells us New York Yankees first
baseman Wally Pipp sat out a June 2, 1925,
game because of a headache. Lou Gehrig
stepped into the Yankees lineup that day,
and Pipp never got his job back. 'They always
made a big deal about that, but Lou Gehrig
was going to get the job anyway,' Mr. Pipp
told The Press in the past."
From Lou Gehrig's New York Times obit:
http://tinyurl.com/d9wd5eg
"Huggins was impressed by the way Gehrig
had delivered, but according to the tale that
is told he had no notion of using him as a first
baseman. The Yankees had a star at the initial
sack in those days, Wally Pipp. But Pipp was
troubled with frequent headaches.
"On June 2 he was bothered by pains in his
head. 'Has any one an aspirin tablet?' asked
Pipp. Huggins overheard him and, on a sheer
hunch, decided to use the 'kid'--Gehrig--at first
base. He never left the line-up again until his
voluntary resignation fourteen years later.
"Perhaps that story is not cut from the whole cloth.
Gehrig has denied it, but Pipp insists just
as vehemently that it is true. At any rate, it is an
interesting sidelight on how a spectacular career
was begun."
> legend "facts."
<Sigh> You continue to be a moron. I got caught in no urban legend
facts. Wally Pipp had been discussed in depth here on alt.obituaries
in past years. My subject header reads: "Thomas Pipp, 83; Best-Known
for Father With a Headache," and that is a fact.
Whether or not the headache was real, imagined, or made up is not
important. When people hear the name Wally Pipp they think of a man
with a headache.
Two previous obituaries I posted.
Wally Pipp Jr.'s obituary:
http://tinyurl.com/d3964w3
"History tells us New York Yankees first
baseman Wally Pipp sat out a June 2, 1925,
game because of a headache. Lou Gehrig
stepped into the Yankees lineup that day,
and Pipp never got his job back. 'They always
made a big deal about that, but Lou Gehrig
was going to get the job anyway,' Mr. Pipp
told The Press in the past."
From Lou Gehrig's New York Times obit:
http://tinyurl.com/d9wd5eg
"Huggins was impressed by the way Gehrig
had delivered, but according to the tale that
is told he had no notion of using him as a first
baseman. The Yankees had a star at the initial
sack in those days, Wally Pipp. But Pipp was
troubled with frequent headaches.
"On June 2 he was bothered by pains in his
head. 'Has any one an aspirin tablet?' asked
Pipp. Huggins overheard him and, on a sheer
hunch, decided to use the 'kid'--Gehrig--at first
base. He never left the line-up again until his
voluntary resignation fourteen years later.
"Perhaps that story is not cut from the whole cloth.
Gehrig has denied it, but Pipp insists just
as vehemently that it is true. At any rate, it is an
interesting sidelight on how a spectacular career
was begun."
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Louis Epstein
May 9, 2012, 2:01:47 PM5/9/12
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Bill Schenley <b.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
:> Looks like Bill S. (and many others) got caught in the urban
preceded Gehrig at first base for a respectable streak himself,
but this thread was the first place I noticed the headache story.
So is the hit-by-pitch story also untrue?
: Two previous obituaries I posted.
I suppose I really didn't notice the headache line,
it never seemed important to me.
: Wally Pipp Jr.'s obituary:
:
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
:> Looks like Bill S. (and many others) got caught in the urban
:> legend "facts."
:
: <Sigh> You continue to be a moron. I got caught in no urban legend
: facts. Wally Pipp had been discussed in depth here on alt.obituaries
: in past years. My subject header reads: "Thomas Pipp, 83; Best-Known
: for Father With a Headache," and that is a fact.
:
: Whether or not the headache was real, imagined, or made up is not
: important. When people hear the name Wally Pipp they think of a man
: with a headache.
Actually,I knew the nickname "Pipp the Pickler" and that he had
:
: <Sigh> You continue to be a moron. I got caught in no urban legend
: facts. Wally Pipp had been discussed in depth here on alt.obituaries
: in past years. My subject header reads: "Thomas Pipp, 83; Best-Known
: for Father With a Headache," and that is a fact.
:
: Whether or not the headache was real, imagined, or made up is not
: important. When people hear the name Wally Pipp they think of a man
: with a headache.
preceded Gehrig at first base for a respectable streak himself,
but this thread was the first place I noticed the headache story.
So is the hit-by-pitch story also untrue?
: Two previous obituaries I posted.
I suppose I really didn't notice the headache line,
it never seemed important to me.
: Wally Pipp Jr.'s obituary:
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
marcus
May 9, 2012, 2:42:26 PM5/9/12
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On May 9, 1:25 am, "News" <a...@att.net> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "Bill Schenley" <b.schen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:57fbb1c6-15f6-4b90...@f27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> why Huggins replaced Pipp with Gehrig. And you know it!
> the Subject, as Snopes pointed out was NOT true because Huggins wanted to
> use other players to shake-up the team's bad performance. Why would you
> possibly do that, you idiot?
> of the legend.
> > was begun."-
What's really strange is that no one ever mentions Pipp's career as a
back-up singer for Gladys Knight.
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "Bill Schenley" <b.schen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:57fbb1c6-15f6-4b90...@f27g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Looks like Bill S. (and many others) got caught in the urban
> >> legend "facts."
>
> > <Sigh> You continue to be a moron. I got caught in no urban legend
> > facts. Wally Pipp had been discussed in depth here on alt.obituaries
> > in past years. My subject header reads: "Thomas Pipp, 83; Best-Known
> > for Father With a Headache," and that is a fact.
>
> Not in the final analysis was that "fact" having anything to do with
> >> Looks like Bill S. (and many others) got caught in the urban
> >> legend "facts."
>
> > <Sigh> You continue to be a moron. I got caught in no urban legend
> > facts. Wally Pipp had been discussed in depth here on alt.obituaries
> > in past years. My subject header reads: "Thomas Pipp, 83; Best-Known
> > for Father With a Headache," and that is a fact.
>
> why Huggins replaced Pipp with Gehrig. And you know it!
>
> > Whether or not the headache was real, imagined, or made up is not
> > important. When people hear the name Wally Pipp they think of a man
> > with a headache.
>
> Even if the "fact" is an urban legend that you *continued* to spout in
> > Whether or not the headache was real, imagined, or made up is not
> > important. When people hear the name Wally Pipp they think of a man
> > with a headache.
>
> the Subject, as Snopes pointed out was NOT true because Huggins wanted to
> use other players to shake-up the team's bad performance. Why would you
> possibly do that, you idiot?
>
> > Two previous obituaries I posted.
>
> Both of which have been rebutted by Snopes, which you ignored in favor
> > Two previous obituaries I posted.
>
> of the legend.
What's really strange is that no one ever mentions Pipp's career as a
back-up singer for Gladys Knight.
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