Veronica Lake's burial site.

[Robert Beisgen]

I've been in touch with several relatives of the 1940's actress, Veronica
Lake (AKA Constance Keane), of "I Married a Witch" fame, but no one seems
to know where she was buried (or cremated) after she died of hepatitis in
Burlington, VT on July 7, 1973. Anyone who could help in this matter would
be greatly appreciated by both myself and her relatives.

In addition, Veronica's first husband, Mr. John Detlie, has been searching
for his daughter by Ms. Lake, Elaine Detlie (or her married name of
Berger), for the last fifty years. Any help in this matter would also be
greatly appreciated.

Any information regarding the above may be sent to gam...@ix.netcom.com.

Thanks.

[RobertaQ]

In article <01bbc08c$35eb7b40$b3b0...@gamma7.ix.netcom.com>, "Robert
Beisgen" <gam...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I've been in touch with several relatives of the 1940's actress, Veronica
> Lake (AKA Constance Keane), of "I Married a Witch" fame, but no one seems
> to know where she was buried (or cremated) after she died of hepatitis in
> Burlington, VT on July 7, 1973. Anyone who could help in this matter would
> be greatly appreciated by both myself and her relatives.

According to one reference book I have, it indicates she was cremated and
ashes were scattered at sea among the Virgin Islands.

The family members should be able to get copies of her death certificate,
which should indicate what happened to her, where she's buried (if the
above info is not accurate) or if she was cremated and even possibly that
her ashes were scattered (although I do not know if this information
would be on a death certificate)?

Hope this info helps...

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[Jim Beaver]

A copy of her death certificate should be available from the county clerk
in Burlington, Vermont, and it should give some indication of who was
given custody of the body, which mortuary took charge, and perhaps even
the final disposition.

I've always been a big fan of VL. I wish she were around for me to
interview for my book about her SO PROUDLY WE HAIL! costar, George Reeves.

I hope you have luck with this.

Jim Beaver

[Robert Beisgen]

Thanks to all who replied about Veronica Lake's remains. I have relayed
these responses to Mr. John Detlie, her first husband.

If anyone out there can help Mr. Detlie (and my own curiosity) about where
his daughter by Ms Lake, Elaine Detlie, can be located, it would be a
significant discovery and a great source of satisfaction for Mr. Detlie,
who last saw her when he and Veronica divorced (Elaine was about three
years old). I have been able to determine that Elaine joined a religious
society call Subud, changed her name to Ruth Berger (she married an
advertising exec. in New York named Maynard Berger) and moved to New
Zealand in the late sixties or early seventies. From that point on, no one
has been able to trace her. Any info can be sent to gam...@ix.netcom.com
or to this newsgroup.

Many thanks.

[RobertaQ]

Robert wrote:

> If anyone out there can help Mr. Detlie (and my own curiosity) about where

> his daughter by Ms Lake, Elaine Detlie, can be located.

You might want to try a people search at Yahoo!

http://www.yahoo.com/search/people/

They only list people living in the United States, but it's possible she
moved back to the states.

Just a long shot, but thought I'd suggest it nevertheless!

Good luck and let us all know if she's located!

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RobertaQ (robe...@best.com) wrote:

: Robert wrote:
:
: > If anyone out there can help Mr. Detlie (and my own curiosity) about where
: > his daughter by Ms Lake, Elaine Detlie, can be located.
:
: You might want to try a people search at Yahoo!
:
: http://www.yahoo.com/search/people/
:
: They only list people living in the United States, but it's possible she
: moved back to the states.

:

How about switchboard.com or Phonefile?

[Gloria Michels]

In article <01bbc384$9eedbae0$c6cf...@gamma7.ix.netcom.com>, "Robert
Beisgen" <gam...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Thanks to all who replied about Veronica Lake's remains. I have relayed
>these responses to Mr. John Detlie, her first husband.
>

>If anyone out there can help Mr. Detlie (and my own curiosity) about where

>his daughter by Ms Lake, Elaine Detlie, can be located, it would be a
>significant discovery and a great source of satisfaction for Mr. Detlie,
>who last saw her when he and Veronica divorced (Elaine was about three
>years old). I have been able to determine that Elaine joined a religious
>society call Subud, changed her name to Ruth Berger (she married an
>advertising exec. in New York named Maynard Berger) and moved to New
>Zealand in the late sixties or early seventies. From that point on, no one
>has been able to trace her. Any info can be sent to gam...@ix.netcom.com
>or to this newsgroup.
>
>Many thanks.

How about "Unsolved Mysteries". The host, Robert Sta ck, probably knew
Veronica Lake and would be glad to help. That program always is finding
lost relatives and I think this would have enough interest for the
audience. Good luck.

[Brad Ferguson]

In article <aladdin2-091...@ip38.an24.new-york4.ny.psi.net>,
alad...@pipeline.com (Gloria Michels) wrote:

Does Mrs. Berger want to be found? If she moved to New Zealand and has
refused to communicate with her father for maybe thirty years, then maybe
she wants to be left alone. If so, her privacy should be respected.

--
Stop by http://www.fred.net/thirteen/

[leedav...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, October 22, 1996 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Robert Beisgen wrote:
> I've been in touch with several relatives of the 1940's actress, Veronica
> Lake (AKA Constance Keane), of "I Married a Witch" fame, but no one seems
> to know where she was buried (or cremated) after she died of hepatitis in
> Burlington, VT on July 7, 1973. Anyone who could help in this matter would
> be greatly appreciated by both myself and her relatives.
>

> In addition, Veronica's first husband, Mr. John Detlie, has been searching
> for his daughter by Ms. Lake, Elaine Detlie (or her married name of
> Berger), for the last fifty years. Any help in this matter would also be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Any information regarding the above may be sent to gam...@ix.netcom.com.
>
> Thanks.

http://www.subudworldnews.com/wsa/report/8_SUSA-News_Feb2013.pdf

Subud World News Feb 2013, see p. 25

FEELINGS ON IBU SUMARI’S DEATHby Ruth Berger, 1971

David McCormack found this remembrance among his mother’s, Rohana’s, papers shortly after she died
following the death of Ibu Siti Sumari, Bapak’s second wife.26 of 34
I know by the way and the extent of the awareness of her going something of the inner size of her. It certainly
covered the abundance of this earth...
You lit up the earth with your going like the tail of a comet so brilliant it paled the sun. Was it in my heart only,
or did it really happen that the flowers blazed so I half shut my eyes and the world was a song like I first heard
when in love and loved in return. This is not what I was taught of dying. Not this joy. This triumph. Not this
flood of life. This death of yours makes shadows of our living!

[meganlo...@gmail.com]

I run a Veronica Lake Facebook group and there's a woman that had just joined today who is claiming to be Elaine and she is writing her autobiography.

[NotYetObit]

In article <c78d9493-d037-4069...@googlegroups.com>,
meganlo...@gmail.com says...

>
>I run a Veronica Lake Facebook group and there's a woman that had just joined
today who is claiming to be Elaine and she is writing her autobiography.

I think that you need to learn the definition of the word "autobiography".

[jsj...@gmail.com]

The host, Robert Stack, probably knew

> Veronica Lake and would be glad to help.

You would have to dig up Mr. Stack to ask him. He died in 2003.

[meganlo...@gmail.com]

I was just trying to share some news which I found very exciting, from now on I'll keep it to myself after having such rude things said to me.

[ferei...@aol.com]

On Tuesday, October 22, 1996 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, Robert Beisgen wrote:
> I've been in touch with several relatives of the 1940's actress, Veronica
> Lake (AKA Constance Keane), of "I Married a Witch" fame, but no one seems
> to know where she was buried (or cremated) after she died of hepatitis in
> Burlington, VT on July 7, 1973. Anyone who could help in this matter would
> be greatly appreciated by both myself and her relatives.
>
> In addition, Veronica's first husband, Mr. John Detlie, has been searching
> for his daughter by Ms. Lake, Elaine Detlie (or her married name of
> Berger), for the last fifty years. Any help in this matter would also be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Any information regarding the above may be sent to gam...@ix.netcom.com.
>
> Thanks.

Through several websites, including www.findagrave.com, the following was learned: Veronica Lake's body was cremated. Her cremains sat on a mausoleum shelf for 3 years, for non-payment, until friends paid the cremation costs. The cremains were shipped to Florida, and were scattered at sea of the coast of Maimi, Florida.

First husband John Stewart Detlie, who had been looking for their daughter Elaine (Born August 21, 1941), died November 30, 2005 in Westlake Village, California, at age 95. A retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel, he was buried at Riverside National Cermetery in Riverside, California (Section 63d, Site 106).

The daughter Elaine Detlie, who later married Maynard Berger, later became a Buddhist convert to Subud, and relocated to New Zealand. She may have suffered severe health problems in the mid-2000's.

John Stewart Detlie later married B. Virginia Crowel Octiober 12, 1946. They had 2 children who died young: A daughter,Dorothy Ann Detlie, Born/Died June 13, 1953, and a son Christopher Conrad Detlie, who drowned in Seattle Washington June 11, 1959. At the time of John Stewart Detlie's death, he was survived by his wife B. Virginia Crowel Detlie, and daughters Ani Sangee Lhamo of New Zealand, and Holly Allerton and John Stewart Detlie, Jr, both of California.

Frank Reighter

[journeysin...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:28:01 PM UTC-7, meganlo...@gmail.com wrote:
> I was just trying to share some news which I found very exciting, from now on I'll keep it to myself after having such rude things said to me.

Hi there,

I'm researching Veronica Lake for a project and have been in touch with Donald Bain, Veronica's friend and co-writer of her biography. He mentioned Elaine was writing an autobiography and it wouldn't be surprising for it to be here (although both her and her half-sister Diana seem to live off the grid). I'd love the link to your fansite!

[chuxt...@gmail.com]

I am the grandson of Stanley Detlie(deceased). His Brother was John Detlie who was married to Veronica Lake in the 40's. Both my grandfather and his Brother were in the movie business as well.

[a.re...@gmail.com]

I think that's awesome you have ties to Veronica Lake. I am an old soul and I find myself constantly wishing the women of yesteryear, the Barbara Stanwycks, Ann Sheridans, Joan Fontaines, Esther Williams, Veronica Lakes, Myrna Loys, June Allysons, Deborah Kerrs, and so many more, were alive and well today. They don't make em like they used to (especially in my age bracket since I have been a die hard old soul since
I was 18 and am now 30). It is great to see people still being tied to their ancestors and being proud of it!

[Claude Areola]

Today's women movie stars do not have the legs that the stars of the
past had. Maybe because so many past stars were required to have talent,
and had been dancers on their way to stardom.

[mwb...@gmail.com]

[mwb...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, 27 March 2014 16:18:04 UTC+13, ferei...@aol.com wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7486781/Soldier-knew-he-might-not-come-back

[mwb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:31:38 UTC+13, meganlo...@gmail.com wrote:
> I run a Veronica Lake Facebook group and there's a woman that had just joined today who is claiming to be Elaine and she is writing her autobiography.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7486781/Soldier-knew-he-might-not-come-back

[chuxt...@gmail.com]

This is Charles Thompson again. Uncle John Detlie passed away at 96 years old of Lung Cancer in La Quinta California. Do you know if Elaine Detlie was ever found? And did they get a chance to communicate before his passing? Once again I am the Grandson of his brother Stanley. John Detlie and Veronica Lake had another child, a son "William" that was born the same day as my mother. I believe he passed within days of birth. Back then the family was super secretive and no internet. So I found out a lot of things about the family years later.

[chuxt...@gmail.com]

Did anyone ever get in touch with elaine Detlie?

[chuxt...@gmail.com]

Iam a relative of Veronica Lake. Perhaps I can help.my email is chuxt...@gmail.com

[mwb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:31:38 UTC+13, meganlo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I run a Veronica Lake Facebook group and there's a woman that had just joined today who is claiming to be Elaine and she is writing her autobiography.

This is Veronica Lakes daughter Elaine Detlie - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7486781/Soldier-knew-he-might-not-come-back

Elaine Detlie became known as Ani Sangge Lhamo after becoming a member of the Subud faith in New Zealand.

[mwb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:31:38 UTC+13, meganlo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I run a Veronica Lake Facebook group and there's a woman that had just joined today who is claiming to be Elaine and she is writing her autobiography.

Elaine Detlie became known as Ani Sangge Lhamo after becoming a member of the Subud faith in New Zealand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7486781/Soldier-knew-he-might-not-come-back

[louisamurr...@gmail.com]

On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 7:58:52 PM UTC+13, chuxt...@gmail.com wrote:
> Did anyone ever get in touch with elaine Detlie?

Hello,
My name is Louisa Buchanan
I am in New Zealand. From 1983 until 1991 I ran a Porcelain Doll business in Nelson New Zealand called ‘Betsy Lou Dolls.
My name then was Louisa Betts.
During the Last few years a woman came to work for me saying she was Veronica Lake’s daughter. She was very talented in designing dolls clothes and especially hats! Some comments she made about life as a child with her mother rang true; like saying ‘yes, she cuddled me in her furs before going out' as that was the only real contact they had...
She had been to an Ashram in India and was calling herself Anae Swan. As she lived for a while upstairs in my business premises a letter arrived and I initially thought it had gone to the wrong address as it was addressed to a Mrs Berger and she quickly claimed it as hers.

She was a small petit woman with a little gap between her front teeth.
I am born in 1944 and I imagined she was slightly older them me.

She bought a simple house in Nelson not long after that which she called ‘her box’ :-)
We lost touch…

Hope this is of some help.
Kind regards,

Louisa Buchanan

ps; The reason I am emailing you is that I am watching a mini series with Veronica Lane and it all came back so I googled ;Veronica Lane’s daughters and came across your request.

[rose...@gmail.com]

Hi louisa...hows it going? fancy running into you here...came up by accident while I was getting into fb...shall I friend you?

[pj2...@gmail.com]

I really hope Elaine, by whatever name she goes by now is truly happy, I want to belive that is what her parents wanted for her.
I would love to know her story or read her book, this thread of posts alone is enough to interest me in her life.

[pj2...@gmail.com]

http://www.mommyish.com/2011/08/12/portrait-of-a-mother-veronica-lake/

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2e/b0/f8/2eb0f822dc0d40148d0bd3f12f9b4c2c.jpg

[brianmb...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, October 22, 1996 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Robert Beisgen wrote:
> I've been in touch with several relatives of the 1940's actress, Veronica
> Lake (AKA Constance Keane), of "I Married a Witch" fame, but no one seems
> to know where she was buried (or cremated) after she died of hepatitis in
> Burlington, VT on July 7, 1973. Anyone who could help in this matter would
> be greatly appreciated by both myself and her relatives.
>
> In addition, Veronica's first husband, Mr. John Detlie, has been searching
> for his daughter by Ms. Lake, Elaine Detlie (or her married name of
> Berger), for the last fifty years. Any help in this matter would also be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Any information regarding the above may be sent to gam...@ix.netcom.com.
>
> Thanks.

While we are at this does anyone know what became of Diane de Toth?

[dee.qu...@gmail.com]

My grandmother told me that she was a foster mother to one (or more) of Veronica Lake's children. My grandmother died 30 years ago. I would love to contact them and see if they remember her. Does anyone know their whereabouts?

[vone...@gmail.com]

Miss Lake died here in Vermont 7-7-73.She was cremated at Mount Pleasant Crematorium in St. Johnsbury, VT! No burial site! Her wish to have her ashes scattered in the Virgin Islands were never carried out. Talked to the the funeral director myself at Corbin & Palmer Burlington VT Her ashes are a mystery! ERIK EXNER VERGENNES Vermont

[vone...@gmail.com]

Have her certificate! Erik in VERGENNES Vt

[beachco...@gmail.com]

I went to a small catholic school in Malverne, NY, 11565. One of my teachers, a nun, sister Ruth Mary was had a Mass card in her bible. It had the name Ruth Lake on it. I know this because the Bible fell on the floor. I picked it up and saw the card with the name on it. Sister Ruth Mary got very upset when I picked up the Bible and the card fell out. She wanted to know what I saw. She was very agitated. I didn’t think anything of it at the time. It stuck with me all these years. I don’t know if this will help in your search for your daughter. Hope it does. Maybe. If you need to contact me use beachco...@gmail.com

[Adam H. Kerman]

berryb...@gmail.com wrote:

>She resides in Switzerland.

Hey, idiot:

Let me be the first to inform you that Google Groups is a Web interface
to a News server, part of a network called Usenet. The vast majority of
Usenet users read using newsreaders and are subscribed to News servers.

On Usenet, when posting a followup article, it is necessary, always,
under all circumstances, to quote the precursor article. If your
followup applies to a portion of the precursor article only, quote just
enough to retain context, and use elipsis or other marks of ellision to
make it clear that you're quoting just a portion of the text. You MUST
include attribution lines to identify which words apply to which athour.

Yes, I know that posting through Google Groups doesn't make this easy
but don't be a lazy piece of shit by not quoting. Even copy-n-paste,
then prepending a quote character to each line (">" is the conventional
quote character) would clarify who had written the words in the
precursor article.

I'm coming down on you hard because this thread, from years ago, was
about Veronica Lake's burial site (something you could tell due to the
thread's Subject header), and you wrote a followup asking about
Diane de Toth, an entirely different person from Veronica Lake.

What you did was a real shit move.

[tr...@iwvisp.com]

Didn’t know this group had an official miderator now. Why didn’t you just kick him out? Oh yeah...

[Adam H. Kerman]

tr...@iwvisp.com <tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:

>Didn=E2=80=99t know this group had an official miderator now. Why didn=E2=
>=80=99t you just kick him out? Oh yeah...

I see that the clue I gave you about the need to quote from the
precursor article to put your remarks into context so someone knows what
the fuck you are talking about didn't penetrate. On a network, it's not
all about you. It's about making it easy for someone else to read and
understand what you wrote so you don't look like a fuckhead. Repeating:

Hey, idiot:

Let me be the first to inform you that Google Groups is a Web interface
to a News server, part of a network called Usenet. The vast majority of
Usenet users read using newsreaders and are subscribed to News servers.

On Usenet, when posting a followup article, it is necessary, always,
under all circumstances, to quote the precursor article. If your
followup applies to a portion of the precursor article only, quote just
enough to retain context, and use elipsis or other marks of ellision to
make it clear that you're quoting just a portion of the text. You MUST

include attribution lines to identify which words apply to which author.

[tr...@iwvisp.com]

You can’t imagine how much I, and the rest on the Intertubes, don’t care!

[W.C. Green]

On 11/8/2018 1:51 PM, tr...@iwvisp.com wrote:
> You can’t imagine how much I, and the rest on the Intertubes, don’t care!
>

Please do not speak for everyone on the Internet (and all its
components) until you've polled all of them.

BTW: "Intertubes" is so 90s.

[tr...@iwvisp.com]

Please see my comment above.

Ray

[MJ Emigh]

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 10:28:53 AM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Hey, idiot: (etc....)

Who put THIS goofball in charge? Has Usenet really been taken over by a guy who lives in his mom's garage?!?

[Adam H. Kerman]

tr...@iwvisp.com <tr...@iwvisp.com> wrote:

>You can=E2=80=99t imagine how much I, and the rest on the Intertubes, don=
>=E2=80=99t care!

[jaid...@gmail.com]

I am searching for DNA to prove that Veronica Lake was my father's sister.
My father was put in an orphanage in Far Rockway along with his 4 brothers.
Maria Deslonde her birth given name, was taken by her uncle (my great Uncle Orville Deslonde) to California as a child.
There is so much more to this sad story.
My mother and Aunt went to her funeral.
When they introduced themselves to Veronicas husband he replied
"I know who you are"
Hopefully through her children's DNA, she would come up as related. I have the kit. Which I will do real soon.
Without them doing the DNA test I will never be able to prove it. If they did hopefully they will come up as my relatives
Many years ago actors and actresses life's stories were not accurate they were made up.
Possibly she was ashamed of where she came from.
When she came to visit her brother Edward at the orphanage she wore a black veil not to reveal who she was. I have spoken to other relatives and they swear this is a true. I have been skeptical for years. Now I must know if they this is true.

[MJ Emigh]

Some threads never die. Over twenty years must be SOME kinda record.

[dothem...@gmail.com]

I am a 2nd cousin. I have done a DNA kit on ancestry. Submit the test, post your handle here and if you come up as a hit I'll contact you.

Best.