HealthWatch: Shelley Long, suspected dug overdose
Ed Varner
Former 'Cheers' actress Shelley Long has been hospitalised after a suspected
drug overdose.
Sources claim the blonde star, who played barmaid Diane in the long-running
sitcom, may have attempted suicide after splitting from her husband, Bruce
Tyson, after 23 years together.
A friend is quoted by Britain's The Sun newspaper as saying: "For 18 months
she's been getting more and more depressed. It's like seeing someone falling
off a cliff.
She told some of her friends she felt she had nothing to live for."
Shelley, 55, was said to be distraught when Bruce left her and she had to move
out of their Hollywood home.
Friends claim the actress, who now lives alone, hasn't been eating properly and
often doesn't feel the need to get out of bed.
One said: "It is very sad to see this woman, who is only 55, looking like she's
90."
Shelley met second husband Bruce, with whom she has a daughter, Juliana, on a
blind date in 1979 and they wed two years later.
The actress has starred in a series of film since 'Cheers' ended in 1993,
including 'The Brady Bunch Movie' and 'Dr T and the Women'.
From: femalefirst.co.uk
SO
"Ed Varner" <evar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> 'Cheers' actress in suspected drug overdose
>
> Former 'Cheers' actress Shelley Long has been hospitalised after a
> suspected
> drug overdose.
>
> Sources claim the blonde star, who played barmaid Diane in the
> long-running
> sitcom, may have attempted suicide after splitting from her husband, Bruce
> Tyson, after 23 years together.
>
I guess it's true that fame and money don't necessarily equal happiness.
SO
Mwestport
"SO" <nos...@whatever.net> wrote in message
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I hope she sees her way to better times. Very funny lady. Sorry to
hear she is feeling so low.
'Outrageous fortune' in 87 one of my pet favorite movies.
My thoughts are with her.
Kevin K.
MWB
"Mwestport" <mwes...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Sad news. One of my favorites was the "Money Pit".
Mark
Mpoconnor7
Alley.
Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
"The likelyhood of one individual being right increases in a direct proportion
to the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong."
The Kentucky Wizard
I liked her best in "Night Shift" with Henry Winkler and Michael Keaton.
I had pretty much the same reaction that Henry Winkler did when first
saw her cooking breakfast wearing only a half shirt, thigh-socks and
skimpy panties.
Oh, and I liked the rest of the movie too.
--
© The Wiz ®
«¤»¥«¤»¥«¤»
theresa
Slobby Don
>
>
> I guess it's true that fame and money don't necessarily equal
> happiness.
>
had it than for those who never did!
BuccaneerJuan
In other words, better to be a has been than a never have been ... ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Idgitator
> Sheley has been prominently shown on Bravo's (cable tv channel) 5-part
>series this week on the "100 Greatest TV Characters" in reviewing other
>characters and her 'Diane Chambers' and 'Sam Malone' (Ted Danson) were
>together from "Cheers" at #50.
> I wish her the best in a speedy physical and emotional recovery!
> http://www.bravotv.com/The_100_Greatest_TV_Characters
>
> The list shown so far, from #100 to #21, will be re-played today
>(Friday) on the 'Bravo channel starting 4pm (CT) until 8pm CT) and the Top
>20 from 8pm-9pm, and the whole-danged list repeats itself from 11pm CT
>through 4am CT [with "When Harry Met Sally" (1988) between 9pm CT and 11pm
>CT].
>
>
>
I would expect Archie Bunker (and Edith) to be rated #1. Does anyone see
another character in the #1 spot?
Daevid MacKenzie
OF FRIENDS. Or maybe it was only the idea of Shelley Long and Karen Allen
being in the same movie...
--
King Daevid MacKenzie, La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA
How Radio is done. No brag, just fact.
http://ultimajock.blogspot.com
"Fear and God do not inhabit the same space." DICK GREGORY
"In an ugly time as this the true protest is beauty." PHIL OCHS
Louis Epstein
I hope she gets over this depression...
but I'm reminded of the early '90s when I was running the
CompuServe Showbiz Forum day-to-day and a member posted
admiringly,"How could anyone have anything against Shelley
Long?"
Another,who had been on the crew for one of her movies,responded,
"Easy...just work with her!"
(BTW...does anyone know if the actress who played the character
in Troop Beverly Hills who Long's character repeatedly insisted
had silicone breasts,really did have implants?)
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
robertc...@yahoo.com
Rob Petrie wrote:
>
> I figured AB and EB would be a solid contender for the #1 spot.
> The only other possibility (that I see) is 'Lucy Ricardo' or
> 'Lucy/Ricky Ricardo'.
My own favorites are Ralph and Alice Kramden.
I've often wondered about that last name. The apartment Ralph and
Allice lived in was so small that they seemed at times to be
"crammed in" it. Just a thought.
Bob Champ
robertc...@yahoo.com
Mpoconnor7 wrote:
> I stopped watching Cheers when she left the show. I never cared for
Kirstie
> Alley.
Same here. I first saw Shelley Long on TV in Chicago where she was
doing commercials for a chain of furniture stores. She was just about
perfect, but I little expected that she would go on to Hollywood and
fame as the first lady of "Cheers."
I'm very sorry to read that she is in such bad shape. I wish her the
best.
Bob Champ
Bob Feigel
<robertc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Every once in a while, for no reason in particular, I'll stop whatever
I'm doing, look around to make sure I won't be giving anyone heart
failure and, at the top of my voice, yell ... R A L P H!
I loved the Honeymooners.
"When weaving nets, all threads count." - Charlie Chan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net>
Daddy Freddy
Reports now are saying she's home and doing fine after an extra pain pill for
her back made her sick.
Let's hope that's the real story, anyway...
Drexl
"Idgitator" <idgi...@aol.come-again> wrote in message
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I wouldn't be surprised to see George Costanza or Cosmo Kramer. Anyway, I
think they're cheating by allowing couples and especially "the entire cast
of 'Will and
Grace.'"
cugina
> Reports now are saying she's home and doing fine after an extra pain pill for
> her back made her sick.
>
> Let's hope that's the real story, anyway...
Good... those "dug" overdoses can be nasty...
They give you hair on your hands, pimples and fever blisters on your face,
and constipation.
BTW, don't you just love "spin"? (see top)
Janet Jackson **just** had a wardrobe malfunction too...
I think there's a special place in hell for liars...oops...lawyers and
agents and PR people and spin doctors who spend their lives trying to make
asses out of all of us...
Brad Ferguson
<thevoic...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> ...I seem to be one of the very few people who actually like A SMALL CIRCLE
> OF FRIENDS. Or maybe it was only the idea of Shelley Long and Karen Allen
> being in the same movie...
No, you're not the only one. What's most interesting about it is that
it's AFAIK the first major film to take a retrospective look at the
on-campus counterculture thing.
Early Jim Brickman score, too, I think.
Kathi
didn't write them down, but I remember a few of them. I don't want to
spoil it for the rest of you, though. There were a few that surprised
me with their inclusion, but as for the Top Four, I'd say they hit it
pretty much on the head.
Kathi
James Neibaur
at r...@att.net wrote on 11/27/04 12:51 AM:
> 'Sgt. Ernie Bilko', #38.
Bilko not in the top ten? Ok, the list sucks.
JN
James Neibaur
kitka...@aol.com wrote on 11/26/04 6:23 PM:
>> I would expect Archie Bunker (and Edith) to be rated #1. Does anyone see
>> another character in the #1 spot?
>
> Mrs. Ricardo? Barney Fife?
Apparently the top ten did not include Barney Fife or Bilko, which is
absolutely outrageous.
JN
James Neibaur
at r...@att.net wrote on 11/26/04 5:49 PM:
> I figured AB and EB would be a solid contender for the #1 spot.
> The only other possibility (that I see) is 'Lucy Ricardo' or
> 'Lucy/Ricky Ricardo'.
One would think so, but judging by the snippets of entries you provided in
other posts, I wouldn't be surprised if the number one turned out to be a
character from Friends or some such drivel.
JN
Terrymelin
and Bob Hartley. I mean, give me a break.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>other posts, I wouldn't be surprised if the number one turned out to be a
>character from Friends or some such drivel.
>
>JN
No, but the people from Friends and Will and Grace were higher on the list than
Laurie Petrie, Maxwell Smart, and Bob Hartley among others.
These morons obviously never heard about the "test" of time.
Where was Columbo on the list?
Terry Ellsworth
doc
news:20041127102941...@mb-m04.aol.com:
> I thought the show was a joke. They had Will and Grace ahead of Laura
> Petrie and Bob Hartley. I mean, give me a break.
>
> Terry Ellsworth
>
Like Aias on the walls of Troy, you keep shaking your fist at the gods, yet
you're surprised by the thunder. The only moron I renounce is you,
Bernardo Guy!
Glitter Ninja
>> I figured AB and EB would be a solid contender for the #1 spot.
>> The only other possibility (that I see) is 'Lucy Ricardo' or
>> 'Lucy/Ricky Ricardo'.
>One would think so, but judging by the snippets of entries you provided in
>other posts, I wouldn't be surprised if the number one turned out to be a
>character from Friends or some such drivel.
But Rachael's hair was so important to our culture!
Really, these lists that some magazine or TV producer concocts are just
crap. They're always designed for some cheap ratings. Throw together 100
of anything, show a few clips, have some breast-enhanced 19 year old host
the show, and toss in a couple of "controversial" list choices and you
have instant entertainment. Just add commercials.
Stacia
Daevid MacKenzie
>> ...I seem to be one of the very few people who actually like A SMALL
>> CIRCLE
>> OF FRIENDS. Or maybe it was only the idea of Shelley Long and Karen Allen
>> being in the same movie...
>
> No, you're not the only one. What's most interesting about it is that
> it's AFAIK the first major film to take a retrospective look at the
> on-campus counterculture thing.
...I think you may be right; it was a United Artists release, so it
certainly was a major title at the time. It could be argued that BETWEEN THE
LINES (also set and shot in Boston) was a sort of predecessor, but was a
then-contemporary story dealing with the decay of the Counterculture, and
THE CHICKEN CHRONICLES touched upon some of the same issues from a retro
angle but was basically a high-school sex comedy that used the
Counterculture more as window dressing than anything else...
> Early Jim Brickman score, too, I think.
...Jim Steinman, actually (wouldn't Jim Brickman have been too young in '79
to work on the production?); probably got the gig off the strength of the
Meat Loaf BAT OUT OF HELL album, as his only previous film work was on
AMERICATHON (in which Meat Loaf had a bit part). Odd thing that has always
bugged me about Steinman's score is that one of the main melodies he used
(which he later incorporated into his song "Total eclipse of the heart" for
Bonnie Tyler) I could swear I'd heard on "Theme for the Masses," the opening
track on the album, TRILOGY FOR THE MASSES by the Boston-based psychedelic
rock band Ford Theater, which was released by ABC Records in 1969. The
composer credit on that track indicates the tune was written by band members
Harry Palmer and Wally McGee, not Steinman...
James Neibaur
sta...@xmission.com wrote on 11/27/04 12:40 PM:
> Really, these lists that some magazine or TV producer concocts are just
> crap. They're always designed for some cheap ratings. Throw together 100
> of anything, show a few clips, have some breast-enhanced 19 year old host
> the show, and toss in a couple of "controversial" list choices and you
> have instant entertainment. Just add commercials.
My recent favorite is 50 Awesomely Bad Heavy Metal Songs. It must have been
hell narrowing it down to only 50.
JN
Daevid MacKenzie
>> 'Sgt. Ernie Bilko', #38.
>
> Bilko not in the top ten? Ok, the list sucks.
...hell, "sucks" would be a step in the right direction. "Turd" ennobles
it...
...by the way, not on this list at all are:
Barnabas Collins
Dr. Miguelito Loveless
John Steed
Number Six
Doctor Who
Paladin
Basil Fawlty
Daevid MacKenzie
> My recent favorite is 50 Awesomely Bad Heavy Metal Songs. It must have
> been
> hell narrowing it down to only 50.
...sounds like something from Uncut or Mojo (Mojo would even break it down
via sub-genre, like Death Metal, Psychedelic, Punk, et cetera). Maxim would
slap the thing together from a shallow pool of nominees but their sarcastic
comments would make it good enough for a chuckle. Either Maxim or Stuff put
together a list of the most evil villains in movie history but somehow
didn't include the psychotic pimp Ramrod from VICE SQUAD...
...hell, since the regulars around here can put together better lists than
that, why don't we? Besides, it's how many more weeks before spring
training?...
KG
"Terrymelin" <terry...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Columbo was #7 (the highest ranked TV detective on the list).
Other detectives and law-folk (seems like the biggest category of characters
represented):
Jim Rockford 17
Andy Sipowicz 23
Joe Friday 25
Perry Mason 28
Lenny Briscoe 30
Maverick (does he count?) 33
Barney Fife (stretching it) 36
Kojak 39
Thomas Magnum 43
Matt Dillon (again, stretching the definition, but he solved crimes) 45
Emma Peel (ok - if we're going to stretch it for the guys...) 52
Mick Belker 56
Barney Miller 58
Crockett and Tubbs 61
Andy Taylor 63
Jessica Fletcher 64
Maxwell Smart 86
Lt. Castillo 89
Monk 99
Notably missing: anyone from Hawaii 5-0.
Also noted:
Bionic WOMAN made it, but not the $6 million man! (I always liked her
better, anyway.)
Missing famous comic book characters:
Wonder Woman
Superman
Spiderman
The Hulk
And aside from Matt Dillon and Charles Ingalls, the category of westerns was
largely omitted. No one from Bonanza, Wild, Wild West, etc...
doc
> I agree!
> And it was Rob and Laura Petrie *together* at a mere #78.
Let's face it, gentlemen -- and Elrod. We are rapidly becoming
anachronisms. We're three channel broadcast guys in a DSL world.
Aje RavenStar
"doc" <drbo...@xprt.net> wrote in message
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I didn't catch every part of it, but one I didn't see, and expected, in the
top 20, was Howard Cosell. Yeah, he played himself - but it was still one
of the most unique characters on tv.
Aje RavenStar
"Aje RavenStar" <whine...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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Correction - One of the most unique characters on Prime Time TV (which is
what this list concerned, I think - since I don't recall seeing Erica Kane
on it either).
Aje RavenStar
I had to go look and make sure - nope, neither of them made it. Neither did
any of the Cartwrights, or the Great Carsonini. Whatta world, whatta
world...
Terrymelin
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
They lose all credibility without Barnabas Collins and Emma Peel and John
Steed.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
28? They are truly brain dead.
Terry Ellsworth
Bob Feigel
And what about McGraw, Peter Gunn, Jake & The Fatman, Spenser,
Remington Steele, Taggart, Morse, Miss Marple, Poirot,
"When weaving nets, all threads count." - Charlie Chan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Bob Feigel
And what about Boston Blackie, McGraw, Bergerac, Peter Gunn, Holmes,
Watson, Remington Steele, Spenser, Jake & Fatman, Taggart, Morse, Miss
Marple, Maigret, Frost, Bergerac, Dr Who, Wexford, Inspector Lynley,
Richard Diamond, Johnny Dollar, Jonathan Creek, Ironsides, Quincy,
Cadfael, Sgt Preston, Van der Valk, Special Agent Cooper, Mr & Mrs
North, Eliot Ness, Chief Dan Mathews and Ellery Queen?
To name a few ...
Bob Feigel
<b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote:
>On 28 Nov 2004 01:26:06 GMT, terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:
>
>>>Barnabas Collins
>>
>>They lose all credibility without Barnabas Collins and Emma Peel and John
>>Steed.
>>
>>Terry Ellsworth
>
>And what about Boston Blackie, McGraw, Bergerac, Peter Gunn, Holmes,
>Watson, Remington Steele, Spenser, Jake & Fatman, Taggart, Morse, Miss
>Marple, Maigret, Frost, Bergerac, Dr Who, Wexford, Inspector Lynley,
>Richard Diamond, Johnny Dollar, Jonathan Creek, Ironsides, Quincy,
>Cadfael, Sgt Preston, Van der Valk, Special Agent Cooper, Mr & Mrs
>North, Eliot Ness, Chief Dan Mathews and Ellery Queen?
>To name a few ...
Mulder & Scully, plus Maddie & David to name a few more.
Kathi
<b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote:
>Mulder & Scully, plus Maddie & David to name a few more.
Both of those teams made the list: Mulder & Scully were number 32, and
Maddie & David were number 69.
The Top 20:
20. Ed Norton
19. Eric Cartman
18. Roseanne
17. Jim Rockford
16. George Jefferson
15. J.R. Ewing
14. Hawkeye Pierce
13. Buffy
12. Edith Bunker
11. Carrie Bradshaw
10. Tony Soprano
9. Capt. James T. Kirk
8. Mary Richards
7. Lt. Columbo
6. Seinfeld Cast
5. Homer Simpson
4. The Fonz
3. Lucy Ricardo
2. Ralph Kramden
1. Archie Bunker
Daddy Freddy
>On 28 Nov 2004 01:26:06 GMT, terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:
>
>>>Barnabas Collins
>>
>>They lose all credibility without Barnabas Collins and Emma Peel and John
>>Steed.
>>
>>Terry Ellsworth
>
>And what about Boston Blackie, McGraw, Bergerac, Peter Gunn, Holmes,
>Watson, Remington Steele, Spenser, Jake & Fatman, Taggart, Morse, Miss
>Marple, Maigret, Frost, Bergerac, Dr Who, Wexford, Inspector Lynley,
>Richard Diamond, Johnny Dollar, Jonathan Creek, Ironsides, Quincy,
>Cadfael, Sgt Preston, Van der Valk, Special Agent Cooper, Mr & Mrs
>North, Eliot Ness, Chief Dan Mathews and Ellery Queen?
>To name a few ...
Why not call it "100 Greatest Characters since Before Most of us Were Born",
since that's where you're headed?
Seriously, they're looking for a decent ratings draw, and after seeing their Top
Choices, it's not *that* bad. It's not like Urkel was #1.
And piss off with your follow-up about Mulder & Scully. I watched the X-Files
once and the whole bizarre endurance trial involved a tattoo that spoke with the
voice of Jodie Foster. John Hinckley dug that episode and the rest of us were
left with a collective WTF???
Daddy Freddy
They only one I'd have any quibbles with is Carrie Bradshaw (#11). Sex And The
City was/is the most pathetic excuse for entertainment ever foisted on the
American TV viewer. And it was paid crap when it was first run!
Seeing as how I'm not a cynical twisted bitter 40-something woman, I suppose my
vote shouldn't count, but man - was this show a train wreck or what? Hey Sarah
J. - you're a fucking horse, go back to Ferris Bueller and leave the rest of the
universe at peace!
Hey Cynthia - we saw you in "Little Darlings" - we've known you were gay longer
than you did. Hey Kim & Kristin - you were the *only* redeeming qualities for
this 5+ year drag behind a racist's pickup. Get out and move on while you can.
Brad Ferguson
<whine...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
The sooner Cosell is forgotten, the better.
Bob Feigel
<daddy_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:25:41 +1300, Bob Feigel <b...@surfwriter.net.not> wrote:
>
>>On 28 Nov 2004 01:26:06 GMT, terry...@aol.com (Terrymelin) wrote:
>>
>>>>Barnabas Collins
>>>
>>>They lose all credibility without Barnabas Collins and Emma Peel and John
>>>Steed.
>>>
>>>Terry Ellsworth
>>
>>And what about Boston Blackie, McGraw, Bergerac, Peter Gunn, Holmes,
>>Watson, Remington Steele, Spenser, Jake & Fatman, Taggart, Morse, Miss
>>Marple, Maigret, Frost, Bergerac, Dr Who, Wexford, Inspector Lynley,
>>Richard Diamond, Johnny Dollar, Jonathan Creek, Ironsides, Quincy,
>>Cadfael, Sgt Preston, Van der Valk, Special Agent Cooper, Mr & Mrs
>>North, Eliot Ness, Chief Dan Mathews and Ellery Queen?
>>To name a few ...
>
>
>Why not call it "100 Greatest Characters since Before Most of us Were Born",
>since that's where you're headed?
You must be a lot younger than I thought - more than half of those
characters were from popular television shows that aired over the past
30 years.
>Seriously, they're looking for a decent ratings draw, and after seeing their Top
>Choices, it's not *that* bad. It's not like Urkel was #1.
Granted, if you're talking about the 'ratings draw' today, none of
those shows would rate very highly. But they sure did when they were
shown in prime time (asuming that our follow-up lists aren't soley for
those who watch only American made televison shows).
>And piss off with your follow-up about Mulder & Scully. I watched the X-Files
>once and the whole bizarre endurance trial involved a tattoo that spoke with the
>voice of Jodie Foster. John Hinckley dug that episode and the rest of us were
>left with a collective WTF???
The rest of us? So much for the "decent ratings draw." ;-)b
Terrymelin
I seem to recall seeing them included on the first nights program -- after
which I stopped watching.
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
history -- was on the list?
Terry Ellsworth
Terrymelin
>20. Ed Norton
>19. Eric Cartman
Pardon my ignorance. But who is that? It's not ringing a bell.
>18. Roseanne
Oh, please.
>17. Jim Rockford
>16. George Jefferson
I guess they felt they had to have a black in the top 20 but I think that's a
joke.\
>15. J.R. Ewing
>14. Hawkeye Pierce
>13. Buffy
From Family Affair? Are they serious?
>12. Edith Bunker
>11. Carrie Bradshaw
>10. Tony Soprano
>9. Capt. James T. Kirk
>8. Mary Richards
>7. Lt. Columbo
>6. Seinfeld Cast
>5. Homer Simpson
>4. The Fonz
>3. Lucy Ricardo
>2. Ralph Kramden
>1. Archie Bunker
Terry Ellsworth
Kathi
>>15. J.R. Ewing
>>14. Hawkeye Pierce
>>13. Buffy
>
>From Family Affair? Are they serious?
The Vampire Slayer.
Terrymelin
>>
>>From Family Affair? Are they serious?
>
>The Vampire Slayer.
>
You're kidding, right? That is by far the worst selection of the Top 20.
Terry Ellsworth
James Neibaur
terry...@aol.com wrote on 11/28/04 9:26 AM:
I won't argue with having her on there somewhere, as I understand the show
was quite successful (I have never seen it). But what is she doing that
high on the list?
(and LOL to whomever thought they mean Buffy on Family Affair -- which would
make about as much sense)
JN
James Neibaur
terry...@aol.com wrote on 11/28/04 7:23 AM:
> Who from Upstairs Downstairs -- the greatest program in fictional television
> history -- was on the list?
Ok, you can't possibly think that the compilers of this list ever saw
Upstairs Downstairs. If they saw it listed, they likely believed it to be
about interior decorating.
JN
James Neibaur
daddy_...@hotmail.com wrote on 11/27/04 10:24 PM:
>> And what about Boston Blackie, McGraw, Bergerac, Peter Gunn, Holmes,
>> Watson, Remington Steele, Spenser, Jake & Fatman, Taggart, Morse, Miss
>> Marple, Maigret, Frost, Bergerac, Dr Who, Wexford, Inspector Lynley,
>> Richard Diamond, Johnny Dollar, Jonathan Creek, Ironsides, Quincy,
>> Cadfael, Sgt Preston, Van der Valk, Special Agent Cooper, Mr & Mrs
>> North, Eliot Ness, Chief Dan Mathews and Ellery Queen?
>> To name a few ...
>
>
> Why not call it "100 Greatest Characters since Before Most of us Were Born",
> since that's where you're headed?
Remington Steele is before your time? Jake and the Fatman??
I realize that the above list does include many characters that were once
popular but have not withstood the test of time -- but do you honestly
believe names like Cartman and Buffy The Vampire Slayer will be any better
remembered down the road? If not, then they do not belong in the Top 20
with characters that actually have proven their timelessness.
JN
Hyfler/Rosner
"James Neibaur" <jnei...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message >
> I realize that the above list does include many characters
> that were once
> popular but have not withstood the test of time -- but do
> you honestly
> believe names like Cartman and Buffy The Vampire Slayer
> will be any better
> remembered down the road? If not, then they do not belong
> in the Top 20
> with characters that actually have proven their
> timelessness.
Buffy has a big, big cult following. Not a good example.
Brigid Nelson
Noxon decided to make it "Party of Five with vampires".
brigid
Brigid Nelson
As a high school teacher, you might actually appreciate the first few
seasons of Buffy. Really. It's on video rent it - but be sure to do so
in order.
brigid
ps. Since you don't have a good local independent video store, you could
get a Netflix account, they have a decent selection of hard to find stuff.
James Neibaur
wrote on 11/28/04 11:18 AM:
> Buffy has a big, big cult following. Not a good example.
Not as big as the one Barnabas Collins had. When they become answers to
trivia questions over time, they do not belong in the top twenty.
JN
James Neibaur
t_del...@hotmail.com wrote on 11/28/04 12:02 PM:
> Like you, I've also never seen the show, but I'll point out that it
> was not only a popular success but a critical darling, so maybe it's
> not too surprising--especially given the fact that it's so
> recent--that it placed so highly.
I understand, but I would think the higher-ups would be characters that will
likely live on (or have lived on, like Lucy Ricardo and Archie Bunker). I
think Buffy will be mere trivia. The next generations will not likely
notice it.
JN
James Neibaur
irja...@comcast.net wrote on 11/28/04 12:25 PM:
> As a high school teacher, you might actually appreciate the first few
> seasons of Buffy. Really. It's on video rent it - but be sure to do so
> in order.
Thanks, Brigid, but I don't think so. It really appears to be the sort of
program that I would not like at all. I don't particularly like many shows
or films with younger casts that are all MTV all over the place (how's that
for deep critical thinking, eh?)
JN
Brigid Nelson
It's not MTV, not at all - and you're doing yourself a disservice by
judging it without seeing a single episode. While it's no Three
Stooges, it is *quality*.
I don't watch much series tv, most of it is poorly written crap (can you
hear me CSI?). In fach, most of the shows I get sucked into don't make
it past 12 episodes, like Brimstone, American Gothic and Jake 2.0. Of
the more mainstream shows I've enjoyed there's Due South and Sopranos. I
can't stand most of the shows written about and marketed for teenagers
such as Dawson's Creek and the rest of the WB lineup. The only show I
currently watch on a regular basis is American Dreams. I caught the
first episode of House a couple weeks ago (mmmmm, sweet, creamery Hugh
Laurie) and if I remember I may watch more of that.
If you'd rather read about it Entertainment Weekly did a special issue
#505 - October 1,1999.
brigid
James Neibaur
irja...@comcast.net wrote on 11/28/04 1:11 PM:
> It's not MTV, not at all - and you're doing yourself a disservice by
> judging it without seeing a single episode. While it's no Three
> Stooges, it is *quality*.
Not everything can live up to the lofty level of the Stooges, and I will
agree that I cannot accurately judge a series like Buffy without having seen
it. But because it is the type of thing that simply does not interest me, I
won't give it the time. My initial point in this thread was that I do not
believe the character of Buffy is likely to survive over time to the point
where it belongs among the Top 20 TV characters in history.
> I don't watch much series tv, most of it is poorly written crap (can you
> hear me CSI?).
I like The Sopranos and Dead Like Me. I don't mind Arrested Development. I
have either not seen or don't like the other shows on TV. If not reading, I
watch films.
JN
Jed
wrote:
Hmmph. The first time you mentioned this character, I though of the
Buddy Ebsen "Barnaby" character and wondered why I didn't know his
proper name.
Google...
I'm definitely of a ripe enough age to remember that Dark Shadows was
popular, but don't recall it being so popular that I ever heard the
name Barnabas Collins mentioned.
Must have hung out with the wrong crowd.
James Neibaur
slot...@example.com.invalid wrote on 11/28/04 1:27 PM:
> Hmmph. The first time you mentioned this character, I though of the
> Buddy Ebsen "Barnaby" character and wondered why I didn't know his
> proper name.
LOL!! Buddy Ebsen is likely much more interesting, with his long career in
films, TV, and on the vaudeville stage.
> Google...
>
> I'm definitely of a ripe enough age to remember that Dark Shadows was
> popular, but don't recall it being so popular that I ever heard the
> name Barnabas Collins mentioned.
>
> Must have hung out with the wrong crowd.
We invited, you. You should have come over.
Seriously, though, I clearly remember all the kids at school talking about
Dark Shadows, about Barnabas Collins being the cool vampire in much the way
today's generation talks about things like Buffy and Angel. There was even
a lousy hit song called "Quentin's Theme" based on another character on the
show. But then trends like this die, and are mere trivia decades later.
I do not doubt the popularity of Buffy now, I just don't see that character
among the Top 20 in TV's 50-odd year history.
JN
Daddy Freddy
Most of those characters *have* proven their timeliness. They've been seen in
reruns constantly since their original airing.
I don't see Remington Steele or Jake and The Fatman airing anywhere today,
although I do remember both fondly (especially Stephanie Zimbalist Jr.!). I have
no idea what shows spurned characters named Maigret, Johnny Dollar, Bergerac, or
Cadfael.
And let's be honest about this "test of time" business. Either something is good
or it isn't. The only way All In The Family is even remotely entertaining in
2004 is if you mentally bring yourself back to the early '70s when it was
groundbreaking. Fay Wray's King Kong is crap with its cheesy animation and
overdramatic acting. The Honeymooners & I Love Lucy are still classics because
the humor wasn't topical. It was, and is, just plain funny. The Fonz, back in
Happy Days' shot-on-film days was a great character. When they went to a live
audience, he became more and more of a wuss.
I've never seen a Buffy, and South Park is very hit-or-miss. I think they'll
both be remembered as relics of their era, like Spenser For Hire & Quincy.
For Barney Fife & Ted Baxter to not be in the Top 20 is a joke, however!
Bob Flaminio
>> Apparently the top ten did not include Barney Fife or Bilko, which is
>> absolutely outrageous.
>
> 'Barney Fife' at only #36.
> 'Ernie Bilko' at a worse, #38!
Well, I'm not sure I would put them in the top ten either, but they
certainly should be a little higher. Alex Keaton is way too high on this
list. Also...
Why do they group some characters like...
> 34. Kermit & Miss Piggy
> 32. Scully & Mulder
But not...
> 21. Mr. Spock
> 9. Capt. James T. Kirk
And what's up with this:?
> 6. Seinfeld Cast
This is a character list, not a cast list. Pick one (Kramer, I guess...)
--
Bob
R H Draney
>
>"Terrymelin" <terry...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20041127202606...@mb-m14.aol.com...
>>
>> They lose all credibility without Barnabas Collins and Emma Peel and John
>> Steed.
>
> John Steed isn't listed, but Emma Peel is! [#52]
After all these years, we find out who was really "needed"....r
James Neibaur
at r...@att.net wrote on 11/28/04 4:19 PM:
> I'll let you peek at the site to see who wound up as #1 to #100.
> #1 wasn't a great surprise to me.
I am glad to see Gleason, Lucy, and Carroll up where they belong, but still
have a problem with the idea that Buffy and Cartman are thought to be more
timeless than, say, Barney Fife or Rob Petrie or Bilko or......
JN
James Neibaur
at r...@att.net wrote on 11/28/04 4:30 PM:
>> My recent favorite is 50 Awesomely Bad Heavy Metal Songs. It must have
>> been
>> hell narrowing it down to only 50.
>
> ROTFL!
> I love it!!!
Yeah, after you separate the five good heavy metal songs, look at all the
material you have to work with.
(btw, the number one worst was Final Countdown).
JN
James Neibaur
at r...@att.net wrote on 11/28/04 4:53 PM:
> 20. Ed Norton [should have been where 'Buffy' was, at least!]
Should have been where Fonzie was!
JN
James Neibaur
daddy_...@hotmail.com wrote on 11/28/04 4:53 PM:
> And let's be honest about this "test of time" business. Either something is
> good
> or it isn't. The only way All In The Family is even remotely entertaining in
> 2004 is if you mentally bring yourself back to the early '70s when it was
> groundbreaking.
But it was once groundbreaking on many levels. The sad thing is, Archie's
side won.
>Fay Wray's King Kong is crap with its cheesy animation and
> overdramatic acting.
I like that it is "Fay Wray's King Kong" which is like saying "Ruth
Warrick's Citizen Kane." King Kong (1933) is a classic. It will remain so
after all the bloated remakes filled with fancy special effects have been
forgotten.
> The Honeymooners & I Love Lucy are still classics because
> the humor wasn't topical. It was, and is, just plain funny.
agree
> I've never seen a Buffy, and South Park is very hit-or-miss. I think they'll
> both be remembered as relics of their era, like Spenser For Hire & Quincy.
agree
> For Barney Fife & Ted Baxter to not be in the Top 20 is a joke, however!
absolutely agree
JN
Bill Schenley
> basis is American Dreams.
American Dreams is currently on life support. The show was cancelled,
but the executive producer, Jonathan Prince, refused to accept the
cancellation. He called NBC in New York and rallied as much support
as possible. He then convinced Procter & Gamble to sponsor the next
six episodes ...
Bill Schenley
> > example.
> Not as big as the one Barnabas Collins had. When
> they become answers to trivia questions over time,
> they do not belong in the top twenty.
I don't know. My kids have boxes of Buffy and Angel DVDs ... and,
with their friends, have these freakin' ungodly, hour-after-hour
marathons of nothing but these two shows. My son takes the DVDs to
college ... and they do the same thing in his dorm.
It seems like every kid I know is a Buffy and Angel trivia buff ...
Brad Ferguson
<terry...@aol.com> wrote:
> >The Top 20:
> >20. Ed Norton
> >19. Eric Cartman
>
> Pardon my ignorance. But who is that? It's not ringing a bell.
Eric Cartman is one of the characters on South Park -- the biggest,
fattest, most foul-mouthed one.
> >16. George Jefferson
>
> I guess they felt they had to have a black in the top 20 but I think that's a
> joke.
"The Jeffersons" ran for eleven seasons (and George was featured on
"All in the Family" for three seasons before that). I suppose George
was memorable, if being loud and rude and unfunny makes you memorable.
Neither show was to my taste, though, and they haven't aged well.
Daddy Freddy
>in article 2rkkq0tivno6riukd...@4ax.com, Daddy Freddy at
>daddy_...@hotmail.com wrote on 11/28/04 4:53 PM:
>
>> And let's be honest about this "test of time" business. Either something is
>> good
>> or it isn't. The only way All In The Family is even remotely entertaining in
>> 2004 is if you mentally bring yourself back to the early '70s when it was
>> groundbreaking.
>
>But it was once groundbreaking on many levels. The sad thing is, Archie's
>side won.
>
>>Fay Wray's King Kong is crap with its cheesy animation and
>> overdramatic acting.
>
>I like that it is "Fay Wray's King Kong" which is like saying "Ruth
>Warrick's Citizen Kane." King Kong (1933) is a classic. It will remain so
>after all the bloated remakes filled with fancy special effects have been
>forgotten.
It's a classic because everybody says it's a classic! Can you actually bear to
sit through the whole thing *now*? Same with Gone With The Wind. There are a lot
of true classics from the '30s, but those aren't among them.
>> The Honeymooners & I Love Lucy are still classics because
>> the humor wasn't topical. It was, and is, just plain funny.
>
>agree
>
>> I've never seen a Buffy, and South Park is very hit-or-miss. I think they'll
>> both be remembered as relics of their era, like Spenser For Hire & Quincy.
>
>agree
>
>> For Barney Fife & Ted Baxter to not be in the Top 20 is a joke, however!
>
>absolutely agree
Well, let's re-do the Top Ten, then.
Fonzie's gotta go. If Happy Days only lasted a couple seasons, then yeah - let
him in. But when you get an entire website named after the exact moment when
your character began to suck, then you've no place on a "greatest" Top Ten list.
Tony Soprano? Please. I've got a hard time seeing Kirk up there, too. Bunker
should be behind Lucy & Kramden. Norton shouldn't be far behind. Seinfeld
"cast"? I don't think so. George Costanza, yes. Barney Fife as well. Herman
Munster is a true classic - turning up in a the lyrics to a rap song and a
Bush/Kerry parody recently. Reverend Jim belongs as well. One of Brad Garrett's
mid 80s stand up bits was about different celebrities going into space, and he
nailed Jim's voice: "Space...the final frontier..........E-I-E-I-O!" (He does a
good Herman Munster, too!)
So that's what - eight? The Beav & Bilko fill out the ten:
10. Beaver Cleaver
9. Reverend Jim
8. George Costanza
7. Herman Munster
6. Sgt. Bilko
5. Archie Bunker
4. Ed Norton
3. Barney Fife
2. Lucy Ricardo
1. Ralph Kramden
But as they say about opinions and pooholes...Odd how I have no dramatic
characters, nor anyone more recent than Reverend Jim & Costanza.