Raul Julie - Was He HIV+
William J. Meyerbeck
Raul Julie died of a stroke. I seem to recall that a few months
later it came out that he was HIV+. True or not?
Terrymelin
>additional information about mysterious deaths from AIDS?
>Tom
The best kept secret I heard about an AIDS death was Danny Kaye. It was widely
believed and discussed in Hollywood that he had AIDS but I never once saw it
discussed in the press. And I don't think Raul Julia had AIDS at least that's
what I hear.
Terry Ellsworth
ApplCinamn
later it came out that he was HIV+. True or not?>>
I never heard about Raul Julia being HIV+. I very clearly recall he was
suffering from cancer and that he was not expected to make it. In other words,
if the stroke hadn't killed him, the cancer soon would have.
Incidentally (this relates to Raul), about a year or two ago I asked for info
regarding Sergio Franchi's cause of death. Someone pointed out that four actors
of relatively young age (60ish and below) from the Broadway show "Nine" died of
cancer within 10 years of each other--Sergio, Raul, Bert Convy, and Anita
Morris. Sergio & Bert, I believe, both had brain cancer. I'm not sure about
Raul and Anita.
I especially miss Sergio Franchi. :( I have some of his CDs and he had a
beautiful voice. Wasn't especially a Raul Julia fan but his passing saddened
me. And I remember watching Bert Convy on game shows like Tattletales.
Wonder if anybody ever checked out that theater where "Nine" was playing for
cancer-causing agents.
Louis Epstein
: Tom wrote, in part:
:
: > I heard
: >rumors that Graham Chapman of Monty Python died of AIDS. Chapman's death was
: >attributed to throat cancer. He died in England. Does anybody know any
: >additional information about mysterious deaths from AIDS?
: Graham did die of cancer. Because he was also gay, people probably filled in
: their own blanks on his death certificate and came up with the wrong cause. I
: have never heard any believable source say he was HIV+ or had AIDS.
:
: Volfie -> for some reason if you are gay and you die, people will say you died
: of AIDS. Some people don't have the brains of a gnat.
It's easier to jump to that conclusion if the person was in early middle
age.I haven't heard that Chapman WASN'T HIV+ though throat cancer was
certainly what went in the door,artificially opened by AIDS or just by
his smoking-to-the-end.
Lady Taker
Louis Epstein
: PSierut wrote:
:
: >isn't it required by law that HIV status be listed on the death
: >certificate? I know the death notices for a couple celebrities said they
: >died
: >of cancer and then a couple weeks later the papers reported they actually
: >died
: >from AIDS (Rene Enriquez of HILL STREET BLUES) or they really did die of
: >cancer
: >but were also HIV+ (Robert Reed from the BRADY BUNCH.)
:
: Ricky Wilson of the B-52's supposedly died of cancer in 1985. It wasn't
: revealed that he died of AIDS until several years after his death. Also,
: Amanda Blake's AIDS wasn't disclosed to the public until a few months after her
: death. Oral cancer was initially announced as the cause of her death. I heard
: rumors that Graham Chapman of Monty Python died of AIDS. Chapman's death was
: attributed to throat cancer. He died in England. Does anybody know any
: additional information about mysterious deaths from AIDS?
Remember,AIDS BY ITSELF hardly kills anyone.Its essential nature is to
flatten your defenses so that other things can kill you that would never
kill a person without AIDS.
Chapman was a smoker,and a doctor.You'd think a doctor with a blasted
immune system would know to quit smoking,but Chapman's response was
completely different.
Michael Richmann
And a raging alcoholic as well. Given that things like cigarette smoke
and alcohol are all major irritants and that Chapman's dentist spotted
the cancer on his tonsils, I think the conclusion's pretty evident...
--
Mike
Terrymelin
You should have seen her live on stage. It makes her film performances look
dull! She was incredible.
Terry Ellsworth
Fata Morgana
>
>Raul Julie died of a stroke. I seem to recall that a few months
>later it came out that he was HIV+. True or not?
Honest, I don't know. It puzzled me too. First I heard he had a stroke, but I read an
interview with Laura Dern ( I think ) where she was saying how sad she felt to see how
sick he already was and looked when they were working together, it made me think about a
degenerative disease, not something fast like a stroke. I am positive I read these
comments about him, not positive 100 % about Mrs. Dern made them. But I don't know,
sometimes some reporters really twist words.
Cheers,
Fata Morgana
PSierut
several months and ultimately succumbed to a stroke -- probably due to the
physical stress (and medication) of the cancer and its treatment. Allan Ludden
of Password is another person who was suffering from cancer and ended up having
a stroke during the treatment. We've discussed before on this ng about the
"NINE Curse" because four of the stars of the Broadway play NINE died of cancer
within just a few years of appearing at that theatre. They include Raul Julia
and Anita Morris from the original cast, and then Julia's two successors in the
role: Bert Convey and Sergio Franchi. I always wondered if there was some
environmental problem at that theatre during that era (I believe the show was
at the 46th Street Theatre, now called the Richard Rogers.) ...Having said all
that, I HAVE heard rumors that Raul Julia had AIDS -- but discounted them
because isn't it required by law that HIV status be listed on the death
Matthew Hubbard
>
> >
> Anita Morris died of ovarian cancer at the age of 50. A damn waste.
> Hot."
You ain't kiddin', bub. She was a _monster_ in "Ruthless People", and
I remember her guest shot on "Cheers"; her dog bit Cliff Clavin, and she
was turning on the charm to keep him from suing. They go to a hotel to
do the deed, and Cliff calls the bar, hoping to get words of wisdom from
Sam.
Cliff: Sam... I'm scared.
Sam: Cliff, I've seen her, and if it's any help, I'm scared for you.
MattH
treg
wrote:
> Someone pointed out that four actors
>of relatively young age (60ish and below) from the Broadway show "Nine" died of
>cancer within 10 years of each other--Sergio, Raul, Bert Convy, and Anita
>Morris. Sergio & Bert, I believe, both had brain cancer. I'm not sure about
>Raul and Anita.
I seemto remember an irony that Bert Convey was visiting his mother in
the hospital, who had had a stroke, when he himself had a stroke and
died shortly thereafter.
Ray Arthur
UsurperTom
>isn't it required by law that HIV status be listed on the death
>certificate? I know the death notices for a couple celebrities said they
>died
>of cancer and then a couple weeks later the papers reported they actually
>died
>from AIDS (Rene Enriquez of HILL STREET BLUES) or they really did die of
>cancer
>but were also HIV+ (Robert Reed from the BRADY BUNCH.)
Ricky Wilson of the B-52's supposedly died of cancer in 1985. It wasn't
3finger
applc...@aol.comnospam (ApplCinamn) wrote:
> <<Raul Julie died of a stroke. I seem to recall that a few months
> later it came out that he was HIV+. True or not?>>
>
> I never heard about Raul Julia being HIV+. I very clearly recall he was
> suffering from cancer and that he was not expected to make it. In other words,
> if the stroke hadn't killed him, the cancer soon would have.
>
> Incidentally (this relates to Raul), about a year or two ago I asked for info
> regarding Sergio Franchi's cause of death. Someone pointed out that four
actors
> of relatively young age (60ish and below) from the Broadway show "Nine"
died of
> cancer within 10 years of each other--Sergio, Raul, Bert Convy, and Anita
> Morris. Sergio & Bert, I believe, both had brain cancer. I'm not sure about
> Raul and Anita.
>
Anita Morris died of ovarian cancer at the age of 50. A damn waste. She
was so talented, and had one of the best bodies in show business. I still
remember her from that Rolling Stones video she did, "She Was Hot."
--
Just my opinion, thanks to the Constitution,
3finger
stacie...@my-deja.com
never HIV positive. As said before, people tend to put two and two
together and come up with six. His partner for 20 years, David
Sherlock, is still alive and well, so that would seem to support that
theory. Graham was a severe alcoholic for quite some time, as well as a
pipe smoker. The combination of these two things probably made him far
more vulnerable to throat cancer. (There's some evidence that alcohol
and smoking in combination raise your risk for throat cancer.) If I
recall correctly, the official causes of death were listed as throat
cancer which had spread to his lungs and liver, and pneumonia.
I think this rumor was helped along by the fact that the associated
press originally made a mistake and listed the cause of death as AIDS.
There's no evidence but the mistaken AP bulletin to support the theory
that Graham died of AIDS. He just happened to be a gay, middle-aged man
who died about the time AIDS was starting to get a lot of attention, so
a lot of people jump to the conclusion that he died of AIDS.
In article <YIv_4.3464$HD6....@iad-read.news.verio.net>,
l...@put.com (Louis Epstein) wrote:
> Lady Taker (vol...@aol.comBV21) wrote:
> : Tom wrote, in part:
> :
> : > I heard
> : >rumors that Graham Chapman of Monty Python died of AIDS. Chapman's
death was
> : >attributed to throat cancer. He died in England. Does anybody
know any
> : >additional information about mysterious deaths from AIDS?
> :
> : Graham did die of cancer. Because he was also gay, people probably
filled in
> : their own blanks on his death certificate and came up with the wrong
cause. I
> : have never heard any believable source say he was HIV+ or had AIDS.
> :
> : Volfie -> for some reason if you are gay and you die, people will
say you died
> : of AIDS. Some people don't have the brains of a gnat.
>
> It's easier to jump to that conclusion if the person was in early
middle
> age.I haven't heard that Chapman WASN'T HIV+ though throat cancer was
> certainly what went in the door,artificially opened by AIDS or just by
> his smoking-to-the-end.
>
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> Raul Julie died of a stroke. I seem to recall that a few months
> later it came out that he was HIV+. True or not?
