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Mc5

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Mar 27, 2003, 5:35:22 AM3/27/03
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Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
Sambo's
Dog'n Suds
Burger Chef
Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
Bob's Big Boy ?
Shoney's
Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
Dutch Pantry
Zantigo's
Any others ?

I remember when you couldn't drive 20 miles and not see a Stuckey's. Are
any still left ? Once in a while you see one that was converted into another
business, they had the familiar shaped buildings. There is one near me
that is now a Marathon gas station.

Paul Sauberer

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:03:54 AM3/27/03
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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
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> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> Sambo's
> Dog'n Suds
> Burger Chef
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> Bob's Big Boy ?
> Shoney's
> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> Dutch Pantry
> Zantigo's
> Any others ?

Howard Johnson's
Roy Rogers (not quite dead but I think it only exists on the NJ Turnpike and
in western Maryland)
Some chain whose name escapes me that was like White Castle and was in Texas
while I was in college. It wasn't there any more when I visited.

There are also some that are gone from my region of the US (Long Island) but
live elsewhere
El Torito
Chi-Chi's (although they still sell the salsa in grocery stores)
Hardee's
Dairy Queen

Paul Sauberer


Roch, NY Roadgeek

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:40:54 AM3/27/03
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Took a trip from NY to FL a few years ago and saw a couple Shoney's,
not nearly as many as I used to.

There is an Arther Treachers in Syracuse. Only one I know of in
upstate NY.

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J.D. Baldwin

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:57:01 AM3/27/03
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In the previous article, Mc5 <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote:
> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> Sambo's
> Dog'n Suds
> Burger Chef
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> Bob's Big Boy ?
> Shoney's
> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> Dutch Pantry
> Zantigo's
> Any others ?

I could swear I saw a Shoney's in Florida two years ago. And there
was a Bob's Big Boy near Columbia, Maryland, as of last November.

There was a chain in Michigan called Bill Knapp's. I never ate at
one, but it was weird that they all shut down literally overnight --
the employees came in one morning to find the doors locked, and their
managers there telling them to go home.

I certainly hope Whataburger is still in business!
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The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:57:45 AM3/27/03
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Upon receiving news that Mc5 had made the remarks below, and after
consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:


> Dog'n Suds - Louisville still has them.
> Bob's Big Boy ? - It's Frisch's Big Boy here.
> Shoney's - Louisville still has them.

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I suffer from deja vu and amnesia at the same
time. I think I have forgotten this before.


David Carson

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:14:56 AM3/27/03
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>Dairy Queen

On the contrary, I had one of their delicious fried burritos just
yesterday. Their web site (www.dairyqueen.com) won't let me see how
many restaurants they have unless I enable cookies, but I would guess
that the number is in the thousands.

Paul Sauberer

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:39:18 AM3/27/03
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"David Carson" <da...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
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I was not aware that they had any locations on Long Island, so I had put
them in the "gone from my region of the US (Long Island) but live elsewhere"
category in my post. They don't have any listed on their web site. Where did
you find one?

Paul Sauberer


Stacia

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:09:30 AM3/27/03
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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> writes:

>Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
>Sambo's

>Burger Chef


>Bob's Big Boy ?
>Shoney's

Here in Kansas we still have Stuckey's and Shoney's. I swear when in
Springfield, Missouri last year there were Burger Chefs and Bob's Big
Boys, but maybe it's just the big boy mascot I remember seeing, with no
accompanying restaurant.
Until the mid-1980s, our town had a Sambo's apparently. I didn't live
here at the time, but it was changed to a Vista (also disappearring but
with the best greaseburgers EVER) only when Sambo's went out of business.
Apparently no one complained about the name of the restaurant, and it
reportedly even had old timey prints of late 1800's black children
charicatures.
Vista sold it to Hardee's, which flopped. They sold it to a local fast
food chinese place which has done so well it tore down the old icky
building and put up a nice, new one in its place.

Stacia

The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:28:56 AM3/27/03
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Upon receiving news that Paul Sauberer had made the remarks below, and after

consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:

Oops, I forgot about DQ, there's five of them here in Louisville.

David Carson

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Mar 27, 2003, 11:00:53 AM3/27/03
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There are at least five Dairy Queens within a 5-mile radius of me,
here on the outskirts of Houston. I think there is a law in Texas
that every town with a population of 500 or more must have a Dairy
Queen.

I once had to visit a new client who was in a small town two counties
over. As the secretary started giving me directions, I said to
myself, "I am going to hear the words 'Dairy Queen' before the end of
this phone call." Sure enough ... "turn left at the blinking yellow
light, and left again just past the Dairy Queen."

David Carson
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Scott Brady

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Mar 27, 2003, 11:55:57 AM3/27/03
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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message news:<b5ujv...@enews3.newsguy.com>...
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
There was a Rax in my town until about a year ago. I quit going there
when they removed the salad bar. It's been replaced by a Culver's,
which are appearing so fast I think they drop them out of airplanes.

Was Red Barn a national chain?

How are Howard Johnson's and Shakey's Pizza doing?

Steve Miller - A Famous Rock Star!

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Mar 27, 2003, 12:19:57 PM3/27/03
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Stewart's - the root beer stand drive-ins
Spindletop - several of these NJ burger places

Here in NYC Aruthur Treachers has been revived as a sort of "sub-franchise" that is a sideline in a
larger chain. Across from the WTC there used to be a Miami Subs with an Arthur Treachers and a Nathans
as sidelines. Is there a word for this kind of marketing? I'd suggest embedding if not for the
connotations.

And Nedick's the NYC hot dog chain has recently been revived, but got terrible reviews.


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KazamaSmokers

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Mar 27, 2003, 12:22:47 PM3/27/03
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HOJO'S OF COURSE.

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Kathi

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Mar 27, 2003, 12:45:15 PM3/27/03
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On 27 Mar 2003 05:40:54 -0800, drp...@rochester.rr.com (Roch, NY
Roadgeek) wrote:

>Took a trip from NY to FL a few years ago and saw a couple Shoney's,
>not nearly as many as I used to.
>
>There is an Arther Treachers in Syracuse. Only one I know of in
>upstate NY.
>
>"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message news:<b5ujv...@enews3.newsguy.com>...
>> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
>> Sambo's
>> Dog'n Suds
>> Burger Chef
>> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
>> Bob's Big Boy ?
>> Shoney's
>> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
>> Dutch Pantry
>> Zantigo's
>> Any others ?

(3) Sisters Chicken & Biscuits, a "sister store" of Wendy's. I never
knew if it was "3 Sisters" or just "Sisters'". There was a picture of
three old ladies on the sign. They had spicy fried chicken, a vanilla
Frosty (Wendy's has chocolate), and the best sausage gravy & biscuit
breakfast. The one that I know of in my area (just north of Detroit,
across the street from a Wendy's) closed in the early '80s. I think I
remember hearing of some "down south", but never found out anything
more.

Hardee's is apparently still fairly thriving elsewhere, but in Metro
Detroit, there's only one holdout. I go there occasionally for my
sausage gravy & biscuit fix.

I miss Burger Chef. One near us was turned into a Hardee's, then that
closed a few years later.

What about H. Salt Fish & Chips? They were usually connected to a KFC
(at least in the Detroit area). I don't know if they were national or
not; they've been gone over 20 years.

I don't know of any Arthur Treacher's in this area, and I know of only
one Long John Silver's.

Kathi

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Mar 27, 2003, 12:49:42 PM3/27/03
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:14:56 -0600, David Carson <da...@neosoft.com>
wrote:

There are several DQs in my immediate area, but I can't think of any
of the ones that sell food and are not just an ice cream stand. I
remember the DQ Brazier Burger's existence, but couldn't tell you when
I saw one last.

We do have a couple of A&Ws in the area, one still has the working
drive-in speakers and provides the service, too.

Mack Twamley

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Mar 27, 2003, 1:06:25 PM3/27/03
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"The Kentucky Wizard" <kentuckywizardNOJU...@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:YMEga.251745$S_4.156890@rwcrnsc53...
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm reminded of the old gag..."You show me a milkman wearing high heels, and
I'll show you a Dairy Queen."


Kathi

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Mar 27, 2003, 1:16:19 PM3/27/03
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On 27 Mar 2003 08:55:57 -0800, sbra...@hotmail.com (Scott Brady)
wrote:

>"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message news:<b5ujv...@enews3.newsguy.com>...
>> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
>There was a Rax in my town until about a year ago. I quit going there
>when they removed the salad bar. It's been replaced by a Culver's,
>which are appearing so fast I think they drop them out of airplanes.
>
>Was Red Barn a national chain?

There was a Red Barn in my neighborhodd here in metro Detroit when I
was a young'un (before I could drive), so I don't know if there were
others.

>How are Howard Johnson's and Shakey's Pizza doing?

They just opened a new HoJo in downtown Detroit about a year ago. I
remember Shakey's Pizza from when I was a kid in Chicago - there were
no Shakey's in the Detroit area (from what I remember).

What's up with Denny's? They've closed at least four that I know of
in my area, and some more are no longer 24 hours. It seems that if
it's not at a major highway interchange or where there's a lot of
hotels (tourist areas, college towns), they're closed. Even Denny's
that were on major thoroughfares around town are closed now.

PirateJohn

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Mar 27, 2003, 2:22:30 PM3/27/03
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Hardee's is going OK. They merged with another chain, Carl's IIRC, and are
using the other chain's logo. Go to http://www.hardeesrestaurants.com/ for
more info.

White Castle is also still around. Check out
http://www.whitecastle.com/home.asp

Info on Chi-Chi's can be found at http://www.chi-chis.com/

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Mar 27, 2003, 2:26:32 PM3/27/03
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>> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips

Treacher's and Miami Subs has some sort of relationship and you will often see
them under the same roof.

Mpoconnor7

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Mar 27, 2003, 2:52:31 PM3/27/03
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>There was a chain in Michigan called Bill Knapp's. I never ate at
>one, but it was weird that they all shut down literally overnight --
>the employees came in one morning to find the doors locked, and their
>managers there telling them to go home.

I used to live in Detroit for a few years in the mid 90's, and there was a Bill
Knapps near where I worked and I ate there a couple times. They up and closed
all their restaurants about a year ago. The food was so-so, their big gimmick
was that they gave you a free piece of cake on your birthday. Those kinds of
restaurant birthday deals never really worked for me because my birthday
happens to fall on Valentines Day and the restaurants are generally so packed
for dinner that I never eat out on my birthday unless it's a quick fast food
burger or something.

Del Taco was a chain I worked for when I attended college in Southern
California. When I came back home to South Carolina, they had a couple around
here, and they all went out of business about ten years ago. I often wondered
if they all closed nationally, at about the time Taco Bell took off.

Hardee's was probably one of the five biggest national restaurant chains in the
80's, where they had been started in Spartanburg SC by Baltimore Colt Jerry
Richardson. He sold his Hardee's chain in order to purchase the Carolina
Panthers NFL expansion franchise, and they quickly started closing locally. I
think there were about 20 here in the Greenville area in 1990, but only one
remains that I know of. I wonder how many remain nationally, but I would doubt
it was ten percent of what it was in 1990.

Jerry Richardson also owned the Quincy's Steak House chain (which he also sold
in order to purchase the Panthers), which I also used to work for and I'm
pretty sure they went under a few years back.

York Steak House was another national chain I worked for that went under about
twenty years ago.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
"The probability of one person being right increases in a direct porportion to
the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"

Mpoconnor7

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>>Was Red Barn a national chain?
>
>There was a Red Barn in my neighborhodd here in metro Detroit when I
>was a young'un (before I could drive), so I don't know if there were
>others.

They had a sub shop called the Red Barn here in upstate SC that closed about
ten years ago. They made the best cold sub I have ever eaten. Is this part of
the same chain?

Sam Yorko

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Mar 27, 2003, 3:14:01 PM3/27/03
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We've got an H. Salt here in San Jose, CA.

Sam

Andrew Goldwasser

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Mar 27, 2003, 2:51:23 PM3/27/03
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.. Plenty of Stewart'ses, in central NJ at least ...

Paul Sauberer

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"Mpoconnor7" <mpoco...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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>
> Hardee's was probably one of the five biggest national restaurant chains
in the
> 80's, where they had been started in Spartanburg SC by Baltimore Colt
Jerry
> Richardson. He sold his Hardee's chain in order to purchase the Carolina
> Panthers NFL expansion franchise, and they quickly started closing
locally. I
> think there were about 20 here in the Greenville area in 1990, but only
one
> remains that I know of. I wonder how many remain nationally, but I would
doubt
> it was ten percent of what it was in 1990.

That reminds me of Gino's, a fast food changed started by another Baltimore
Colt, Gino Marchetti. I beleive that chain was bought out by Roy Rogers
restaurants which was in turn bought out by Hardee's.

Paul Sauberer


Bermuda999

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Are there any Der Weinerschnitzel's anymore? All the ones in Arizona have been
turned into other things.

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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
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> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> Sambo's
> Dog'n Suds
> Burger Chef
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> Bob's Big Boy ?
> Shoney's
> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> Dutch Pantry
> Zantigo's
> Any others ?
>
> I remember when you couldn't drive 20 miles and not see a Stuckey's. Are
> any still left ? Once in a while you see one that was converted into
another
> business, they had the familiar shaped buildings. There is one near me
> that is now a Marathon gas station.
>

There's a Stuckey's on I-10 east of Houston. We still have Shoney's down
here too (they dropped the Big Boy part from their name some time ago -
growing up across the southwest and south, I knew of 2 different Big Boy
chains - Kip's BB's in Oklahoma, and Shoney's BB's in North Carolina.

The one I really miss is Shakey's Pizza.


Brigid Nelson

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Mar 27, 2003, 5:26:31 PM3/27/03
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Mc5 wrote:
> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> Sambo's
> Dog'n Suds
> Burger Chef
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> Bob's Big Boy ?
> Shoney's
> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> Dutch Pantry
> Zantigo's
> Any others ?
>
>

Out here in the wilds of Oregon we had a chain called Whizburger; Home
of the Frenchie (a hamburger on a crusty french roll). I don't know if
they were ever national but they all shut down about 20 years ago.

Tastee Freeze - are there still any of those out there? Ours have all
been converted to chinese restaraunts and nostalgia malt shops.

Church's Fried Chicken is also long gone from this area - but we do
still have Popeye's.

brigid

Mpoconnor7

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Mar 27, 2003, 5:29:41 PM3/27/03
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> Until the mid-1980s, our town had a Sambo's apparently. I didn't live
>here at the time, but it was changed to a Vista (also disappearring but
>with the best greaseburgers EVER) only when Sambo's went out of business.
>Apparently no one complained about the name of the restaurant, and it
reportedly even had old timey prints of late 1800's black children
charicatures.

They had one in Pittsburgh when I was growing up, and IIRC they did get alot of
flak about their name and changed it to Sam's.

Mpoconnor7

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Mar 27, 2003, 5:33:24 PM3/27/03
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>We still have Shoney's down
>here too (they dropped the Big Boy part from their name some time ago -
>growing up across the southwest and south, I knew of 2 different Big Boy
>chains - Kip's BB's in Oklahoma, and Shoney's BB's in North Carolina.

They were Shoney's in SC also, but they went out of business about ten years
ago. When I lived in Pittsburgh they were known as Eat N Park, and they were
Elby's in West Virginia and Frisches in Ohio. In Detroit, they had Big Boy and
Elias Brothers Big Boy. I never understood why the Big Boy chain was known by
so many different names across the nation; it's not like McDonalds is known as
one thing in this state, and another name in another state.

Robert Feigel (aka Bob)

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:35:22 -0500, "Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote:

>Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
>Sambo's
>Dog'n Suds
>Burger Chef
>Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
>Bob's Big Boy ?
>Shoney's
>Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
>Dutch Pantry
>Zantigo's
>Any others ?
>

>I remember when you couldn't drive 20 miles and not see a Stuckey's. Are
>any still left ? Once in a while you see one that was converted into another
>business, they had the familiar shaped buildings. There is one near me
>that is now a Marathon gas station.
>
>

All the ones I can remember have already been mentioned, but I can
tell you that McDonalds (now offering salads & smoothies!!!), Pizza
Hut, Wendy's and Kentucky Fried Chicken are alive in New Zealand.
However, whether they're also *well* is debatable.
ÿbob

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DGH

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.

I published their obituary back in August, 2002.

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DGH

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.

There was a "Sam's" restaurant in San Antonio, Texas, that was previously Sambo's.

- - - -

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DGH

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.

How about Kenny Rogers' Roasters. It was a place that sold roasted
chicken. It was really pretty good. There was one in Springfield,
Illinois, that is now a Wendy's.

Are there any more Brown's Fried Chicken places any more?

How about Church's Chicken?

Joe Pucillo

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Mar 27, 2003, 6:26:14 PM3/27/03
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Wasn't it Paul Sauberer who said...
> "Mc5" wrote...

> > Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> > Sambo's
> > Dog'n Suds
> > Burger Chef
> > Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)

There was a Rax on Kirkwood Hwy in Stanton, Delaware the last time I
looked (about four years ago...?)

> > Bob's Big Boy ?

Travel Plaza - Delaware portion of I-95 (I think there's also one in
the Maryland House about 30 miles south, as well) It's funny, I
have a great friend who still refers to the Delaware Travel Plaza as
"The Hot Shoppes" another restaurant which is gone...

> > Shoney's
> > Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips

I remember seeing one somewhere - maybe Hanover, York Co., PA ?

> > Dutch Pantry
> > Zantigo's
> > Any others ?
>

> Howard Johnson's
> Roy Rogers (not quite dead but I think it only exists on the NJ Turnpike and
> in western Maryland)

Roy Rogers' restaurants were bought by McDonalds here in Maryland,
but there's still a Roy-branded restaurant in the Maryland House
mentioned above.

> Some chain whose name escapes me that was like White Castle and was in Texas
> while I was in college. It wasn't there any more when I visited.

There was also a chain called "White Tower" which sold tiny
hamburgers. I remember the one in Upper Darby, Pa. (right across
from the 69th St. Terminal) very fondly...

> There are also some that are gone from my region of the US (Long Island) but
> live elsewhere
> El Torito
> Chi-Chi's (although they still sell the salsa in grocery stores)
> Hardee's

There are still Hardees here in the Baltimore area, but they all
have the smiley-star logo of Carl's Jr. now.

> Dairy Queen

US Rte. 1, just south of Longwood Gardens in Concordville, PA. I
don't know what they put in their burgers, but it's my favorite fast
food, EVER.

How 'bout Hot Shoppes? Are there any left?

The east coast used to be home of Gino's - home of the Gino Giant -
which was founded by former Bawlmer Coat[1] Gino Marchetti. I think
they were hq'd in King of Prussia PA, but bought by Roy Rogers.

How 'bout Nedick's Hot Dogs? I remember there used to be one in the
69th St. Terminal outside Philly, but we never had one of their dogs
due to the overriding smell of urine in the terminal. Ech.

JP

[1] Bawlmer Coat - Bawlmerese for "Baltimore Colt".

seven

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Mar 27, 2003, 6:28:30 PM3/27/03
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Lums-- home of the Ollieburger!

Chicken Unlimited-- great hamburgers, strangely enough.

Chris

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"DGH" > How about Church's Chicken?

Church's Chicken is still around in the Houston area.

I understand that Taco Bell is now gone in Winnipeg.

Chris in Pearland, TX


seven

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In article <yOLga.2911$2x2.1...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net>, act...@comics.com (seven) wrote:
>Lums-- home of the Ollieburger!
>
>Chicken Unlimited-- great hamburgers, strangely enough.
>

And how could I forget El Pollo Asado? I once owned stock in them. Excellent
marinated char-grilled chicken. Management thought they should become a
sit-down mexican restaurant chain. Bad move.

Dave Gresham

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In article <20030327165718...@mb-cd.aol.com>,

NudeAdGuy <nude...@aol.com> wrote:
>Are there any Der Weinerschnitzel's anymore? All the ones in Arizona have been
>turned into other things.
>

I saw several of these while I was in San Diego last September.

Dave Gresham

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In article <b5uvvd$p62$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
J.D. Baldwin <ne...@baldwin.users.panix.com> wrote:

>
>In the previous article, Mc5 <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote:
>> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
>> Sambo's
>> Dog'n Suds
>> Burger Chef
>> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
>> Bob's Big Boy ?
>> Shoney's
>> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
>> Dutch Pantry
>> Zantigo's
>> Any others ?
>
>I could swear I saw a Shoney's in Florida two years ago. And there
>was a Bob's Big Boy near Columbia, Maryland, as of last November.

>
>There was a chain in Michigan called Bill Knapp's. I never ate at
>one, but it was weird that they all shut down literally overnight --
>the employees came in one morning to find the doors locked, and their
>managers there telling them to go home.
>
>I certainly hope Whataburger is still in business!

Living in San Diego I was rather fond of Rally Burgers, but most of
them have closed up. I recall one in Sante Fe, NM, however I haven't
been out that way in several years.


The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 27, 2003, 7:05:25 PM3/27/03
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Upon receiving news that Robert Feigel (aka Bob) had made the remarks below,

and after consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by
members of my Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world
leaders, I have come to the following conclusions:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:35:22 -0500, "Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote:
>
> >Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> >Sambo's
> >Dog'n Suds
> >Burger Chef
> >Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> >Bob's Big Boy ?
> >Shoney's
> >Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> >Dutch Pantry
> >Zantigo's
> >Any others ?
> >
> >I remember when you couldn't drive 20 miles and not see a Stuckey's.
> >Are
> >any still left ? Once in a while you see one that was converted into
> >another
> >business, they had the familiar shaped buildings. There is one near
> >me
> >that is now a Marathon gas station.
> >
> >
>
> All the ones I can remember have already been mentioned, but I can
> tell you that McDonalds (now offering salads & smoothies!!!), Pizza
> Hut, Wendy's and Kentucky Fried Chicken are alive in New Zealand.
> However, whether they're also *well* is debatable.
> ÿbob
>

They're definately not *well*, Bob. My wife brought in a bag from McDonalds
for dinner tonight, which turned my stomach, and I told her that cardboard
sounded tastier at the time. As for what her reply was, well..........*


--
The Wiz ....

I suffer from deja vu and amnesia at the same
time. I think I have forgotten this before.


The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 27, 2003, 7:07:06 PM3/27/03
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Upon receiving news that seven had made the remarks below, and after

consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:

> Lums-- home of the Ollieburger!
>
> Chicken Unlimited-- great hamburgers, strangely enough.

Ollie's Trolly is home of the Ollieburger, unless there are two
Ollieburgers. There is one Ollie's Trolley in Louisville, near downtown,
that I know of.

The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 27, 2003, 7:08:33 PM3/27/03
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Upon receiving news that NudeAdGuy had made the remarks below, and after

consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members of my
Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have come
to the following conclusions:

> Are there any Der Weinerschnitzel's anymore? All the ones in Arizona
> have been turned into other things.
>
> TT

Must be part of the German Boycott movement.

Sam Yorko

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Mar 27, 2003, 7:43:31 PM3/27/03
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NudeAdGuy wrote:
>
> Are there any Der Weinerschnitzel's anymore? All the ones in Arizona have been
> turned into other things.
>

Yeah, we got a few out here in the SF Bay area.

Hieronymus

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"Sam Yorko" <JOATno...@computer.org> wrote in message
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A few years ago I saw a restaurant where you cooked your own food. The
owners said he wanted to take it national. However, it never made it out of
Kansas. I guess people did not want to cook when they went out to eat?
There was another restaurant that advertised home-style upscale food. It
lasted about two months. I guess again that when people went out they were
looking for something not home-style? This last restaurant was in a closed
Samba's and the first restaurant was in an a closed Arthur Treachers.
H

Paul Sauberer

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"Joe Pucillo" <new...@pucillo.net.xx> wrote in message
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> "The Hot Shoppes" another restaurant which is gone...

Not to mention Hot Shoppes, Jr., which I believe was the home of Pappy
Parker fried chicken.

The last Hot Shoppes I remember (which might also have been the first) was
on Rockville Pike in Rockville, MD.

Paul Sauberer


Joe Pucillo

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:39:15 PM3/27/03
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Wasn't it seven who said...

> Lums-- home of the Ollieburger!

I didn't know Lums was a chain. There was only one that I knew of,
near Newark, Delaware. It had all the earmarks of a chain, quite a
bit like Perkins without the pancakes, but it was so close to Lum's
Pond that I thought the name was a Delaware thing. :-)

JP

Joe Pucillo

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:42:12 PM3/27/03
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Wasn't it DGH who said...

> How about Kenny Rogers' Roasters. It was a place that sold roasted
> chicken. It was really pretty good. There was one in Springfield,
> Illinois, that is now a Wendy's.

There was a Kenny Rogers' in White Marsh, Md. that is now an A&W.
It's the first stand-alone A&W that I've seen in about twenty years,
and the first I've ever seen east of the Monongahela.

JP

Joe Pucillo

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Mar 27, 2003, 8:44:14 PM3/27/03
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Wasn't it Paul Sauberer who said...
> The last Hot Shoppes I remember (which might also have been the first) was
> on Rockville Pike in Rockville, MD.

I remember just seeing something about the Hot Shoppes on a PBS show
about Silver Spring. I think that's why they've been on my mind
lately... :-)

JP

Carol Robinson

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:17:10 PM3/27/03
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Well, I wish Texas would send a couple over to Little Rock. Our only one
closed a few years ago.

Carol

"§no§hoo" <snos...@att.net> wrote in message
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> David Carson <da...@neosoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > There are at least five Dairy Queens within a 5-mile radius of me,
> > here on the outskirts of Houston. I think there is a law in Texas
> > that every town with a population of 500 or more must have a Dairy
> > Queen.
>
> Dairy Queen® FAQs
>
> 8. What U.S. state has the most Dairy Queen® restaurants?
>
> Texas has the most DQ® restaurants with more than 600 locations.
>
> snoshoo
>
>
>
>
>


Louis Epstein

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:20:03 PM3/27/03
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Joe Pucillo <new...@pucillo.net.xx> wrote:
: Wasn't it Paul Sauberer who said...

I am not sure just when they closed,
but note that the Hot Shoppes restaurants
were what J.W. Marriott and his wife went
into business with before they branched
into hotels.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:24:20 PM3/27/03
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PirateJohn <pirat...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
: Hardee's is going OK. They merged with another chain, Carl's IIRC, and are
: using the other chain's logo. Go to http://www.hardeesrestaurants.com/ for
: more info.

: White Castle is also still around. Check out
: http://www.whitecastle.com/home.asp

As far as I know,they are the ORIGINAL hamburger chain.
I don't think anyone was in that business before them.

I remember one regional burger chain,Carrol's,that had
its "Papa Burger" and "Mama Burger" family,which converted
its own-brand restaurants in Jack-in-the-Box franchises.
Sorta like some small commuter airlines have taken on the
names of big airlines they are feeders to.

James Dunlop

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:30:06 PM3/27/03
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>Subject: Re: Dead National Restaurant Chains You Remember
>From: pirat...@aol.comNOSPAM (PirateJohn)
>Date: 3/27/2003 2:26 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030327142632...@mb-cg.aol.com>

>
>>> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
>
>Treacher's and Miami Subs has some sort of relationship and you will often
>see
>them under the same roof.
>
That relationship, I believe, is that they're owned by the same company.
Nathan's, too. Both Miami Subs and Nathan's offer AT's fish/chips at some of
their restaurants. Only problem with getting the Miami Subs version is that
you get the coated Miami Subs fries (not even close to "chips")

I haven't seen them both with equal billing on the signs, unlike, say, Taco
Bell and KFC.


Louis Epstein

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Mar 27, 2003, 9:46:39 PM3/27/03
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Paul Sauberer <spamgr...@aol.com> wrote:

: "Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
: news:b5ujv...@enews3.newsguy.com...
:> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)


:> Sambo's
:> Dog'n Suds
:> Burger Chef
:> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
:> Bob's Big Boy ?
:> Shoney's

:> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
:> Dutch Pantry


:> Zantigo's
:> Any others ?

: Howard Johnson's

http://www.franchiseassociates.com/

http://hojoland.homestead.com/

Loki

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:19:49 -0600, "Aje RavenStar"
<whine...@wt.net> wrote:

>
>"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
>news:b5ujv...@enews3.newsguy.com...
>> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
>> Sambo's
>> Dog'n Suds
>> Burger Chef
>> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
>> Bob's Big Boy ?
>> Shoney's
>> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
>> Dutch Pantry
>> Zantigo's
>> Any others ?
>>

>> I remember when you couldn't drive 20 miles and not see a Stuckey's. Are
>> any still left ? Once in a while you see one that was converted into
>another
>> business, they had the familiar shaped buildings. There is one near me
>> that is now a Marathon gas station.
>>
>

>There's a Stuckey's on I-10 east of Houston. We still have Shoney's down


>here too (they dropped the Big Boy part from their name some time ago -
>growing up across the southwest and south, I knew of 2 different Big Boy
>chains - Kip's BB's in Oklahoma, and Shoney's BB's in North Carolina.
>

>The one I really miss is Shakey's Pizza.

Are there any Happy Steaks any more? I was wondering about Shakey's
Pizza too. The original one was here in Sacramento and within the last
two years they tore the building down. That was a front page story in
the paper, and cause for a lot of tears and reminiscing.


Loki

Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:48:45 AM3/28/03
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Mpoconnor7 wrote:
>
> > Until the mid-1980s, our town had a Sambo's apparently. I didn't live
> >here at the time, but it was changed to a Vista (also disappearring but
> >with the best greaseburgers EVER) only when Sambo's went out of business.
> >Apparently no one complained about the name of the restaurant, and it
> reportedly even had old timey prints of late 1800's black children
> charicatures.
>
> They had one in Pittsburgh when I was growing up, and IIRC they did get alot of
> flak about their name and changed it to Sam's.

The others were changed to Denny's.

Paul Sauberer

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"Joe Pucillo" <new...@pucillo.net.xx> wrote in message
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My wife just reminded me about Little Tavern Shops and their death balls.

I think there are still some of the original buildings with their
distinctive architecture still standing in the DC area.

Paul Sauberer


Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:59:18 AM3/28/03
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Robert Feigel (aka Bob) wrote:
>
> All the ones I can remember have already been mentioned, but I can
> tell you that McDonalds (now offering salads & smoothies!!!), Pizza
> Hut, Wendy's and Kentucky Fried Chicken are alive in New Zealand.
> However, whether they're also *well* is debatable.

Please accept this American's heartfelt apologies.

Robert Feigel (aka Bob)

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:33:40 PM3/27/03
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Heartfelt or heartburn?
ÿbob

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Joe Pucillo

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:29:15 PM3/27/03
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Wasn't it Paul Sauberer who said...

> Not to mention Hot Shoppes, Jr., which I believe was the home of Pappy
> Parker fried chicken.

Wasn't that "Pappy Parker's Fooo RIIIIIIIIIED Chicken?"
:-)

JP

Joe Pucillo

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:32:07 PM3/27/03
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Wasn't it Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A. who said...

> The others were changed to Denny's.

Does anyone else get a sense of low expectations on the part of the
Denny's advertising team?

"Denny's: A good place to sit and eat."

Yeah, well, so is my front step.

JP

Mpoconnor7

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:48:38 PM3/27/03
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>That reminds me of Gino's, a fast food changed started by another Baltimore
>Colt, Gino Marchetti. I beleive that chain was bought out by Roy Rogers
>restaurants which was in turn bought out by Hardee's.

The Chi-Chi's restaurant chain was started by Green Bay Packer Jerry Kramer,
another one of the Vince Lombardi Packers was his co-partner in it but I can't
remember who (Fuzzy Thurston?). That illustrates a fascinating fact about
Vince Lombardi being a builder of men on the field and off; I once heard a
comment from somebody on his Packer teams that of the guys who played regularly
on his NFL Championship teams in the 60's, over half of them became self-made
multi-millionaires in the business world after leaving football. And this was
in the era when Pro Football players made next to nothing, that Lombardi was
able to instill in these men such a drive to succeed that it carried over into
their careers after they left Pro Football.

Michael O'Connor - Modern Renaissance Man
"The probability of one person being right increases in a direct porportion to
the intensity with which others try to prove him wrong"

Mpoconnor7

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:52:12 PM3/27/03
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There used to be a local restaurant deli chain in Pittsburgh called Isaly's,
that went under a few years back. They never went national, but one product
that they were famous for did go national and that was the Klondike Ice Cream
bar.

Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.

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Mar 28, 2003, 2:02:49 AM3/28/03
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Robert Feigel (aka Bob) wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:59:18 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
> <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
>
> >Robert Feigel (aka Bob) wrote:
> >>
> >> All the ones I can remember have already been mentioned, but I can
> >> tell you that McDonalds (now offering salads & smoothies!!!), Pizza
> >> Hut, Wendy's and Kentucky Fried Chicken are alive in New Zealand.
> >> However, whether they're also *well* is debatable.
> >
> >Please accept this American's heartfelt apologies.
>
> Heartfelt or heartburn?

Beats me. The food and service SUCK. McDonalds lost my business years
ago. Whatever ill effects their drek was inflicting on my GI tract
are but dim memories.

Cpl. O'Reilly

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:58:26 PM3/27/03
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In article <3e838cf4$0$83888$a186...@newsreader.visi.com>, Dave
Gresham <gre...@visi.com> wrote:

> In article <20030327165718...@mb-cd.aol.com>,


> NudeAdGuy <nude...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Are there any Der Weinerschnitzel's anymore? All the ones in Arizona have
> >been
> >turned into other things.
> >
>

> I saw several of these while I was in San Diego last September.


There was a chain of Italian places in Arizona called Spaghetti Benders
when I was there in the '70s. They also had some Sambo's then, which
is just what you'd expect in a place that calls something Spaghetti
Benders.

There are some Arthur Treacher's still open in northern New Jersey.

Cpl. O'Reilly

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:58:28 PM3/27/03
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In article <3E83E23D.1354@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>, Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D.
P.A. <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:


They were Jolly Tiger for a while in the Northeast. That let them keep
the original artwork on the walls, although they repainted Sambo a
bright pink.

Dave B

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:14:45 PM3/27/03
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"Louis Epstein" <lep...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote in message
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Her in central NY Carrols turned into Burger King. The local KFC now has a
A&W inside
Dave B
- - - - - - - -
It was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is
today. their store, they share counter space, one line if you want KFC,
another for A&W-weird.

Cpl. O'Reilly

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:58:29 PM3/27/03
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In article <d2b22a7d.03032...@posting.google.com>, DGH
<peri...@eudoramail.com> wrote:

> .
>
> How about Kenny Rogers' Roasters. It was a place that sold roasted
> chicken. It was really pretty good. There was one in Springfield,
> Illinois, that is now a Wendy's.
>

> Are there any more Brown's Fried Chicken places any more?
>
> How about Church's Chicken?


Also Kansas Fried Chicken, which just had to be a ripoff.

Kenny Rogers was very good, maybe too good for fast food.

Cpl. O'Reilly

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Mar 27, 2003, 10:58:25 PM3/27/03
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In article <5h768v4ojkovp9aca...@4ax.com>, David Carson
<da...@neosoft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:39:18 GMT, "Paul Sauberer"
> <spamgr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >"David Carson" <da...@neosoft.com> wrote in message
> >news:s9168vccpribs5h4c...@4ax.com...
> >> >Dairy Queen
> >>
> >> On the contrary, I had one of their delicious fried burritos just
> >> yesterday. Their web site (www.dairyqueen.com) won't let me see how
> >> many restaurants they have unless I enable cookies, but I would guess
> >> that the number is in the thousands.
> >
> >I was not aware that they had any locations on Long Island, so I had put
> >them in the "gone from my region of the US (Long Island) but live elsewhere"
> >category in my post. They don't have any listed on their web site. Where did
> >you find one?


>
> There are at least five Dairy Queens within a 5-mile radius of me,
> here on the outskirts of Houston. I think there is a law in Texas
> that every town with a population of 500 or more must have a Dairy
> Queen.
>

> I once had to visit a new client who was in a small town two counties
> over. As the secretary started giving me directions, I said to
> myself, "I am going to hear the words 'Dairy Queen' before the end of
> this phone call." Sure enough ... "turn left at the blinking yellow
> light, and left again just past the Dairy Queen."


This is why, in farming country, you have the Hog Queen and the Beef
Queen and the Barley Queen and the Corn Queen, and always, always a
Dairy Princess.

Dairy Queens are terrible. The ice cream sucks and they think putting
peanuts on something makes it exotic.

Paul Sauberer

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"Paul Sauberer" <spamgr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I just remembered another dead fast food chain- Heap Big Beef.

Paul Sauberer


Paul Sauberer

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Mar 27, 2003, 11:33:30 PM3/27/03
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"Mpoconnor7" <mpoco...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20030327224838...@mb-fb.aol.com...

> >That reminds me of Gino's, a fast food changed started by another
Baltimore
> >Colt, Gino Marchetti. I beleive that chain was bought out by Roy Rogers
> >restaurants which was in turn bought out by Hardee's.
>
> The Chi-Chi's restaurant chain was started by Green Bay Packer Jerry
Kramer,
> another one of the Vince Lombardi Packers was his co-partner in it but I
can't
> remember who (Fuzzy Thurston?). That illustrates a fascinating fact about
> Vince Lombardi being a builder of men on the field and off; I once heard a
> comment from somebody on his Packer teams that of the guys who played
regularly
> on his NFL Championship teams in the 60's, over half of them became
self-made
> multi-millionaires in the business world after leaving football. And this
was
> in the era when Pro Football players made next to nothing, that Lombardi
was
> able to instill in these men such a drive to succeed that it carried over
into
> their careers after they left Pro Football.
>

Chi-Chi's is another chain that abandoned the Long Island market and, oddly
as it may seem, Texas.

Paul Sauberer


Thomas Hornikel

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Mar 27, 2003, 11:59:38 PM3/27/03
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There are still a few Arthur's Creatures restaurants here in Cleveland.
They are a mere shadow of their former greasy glory.

Tom In CTown


Thomas Hornikel

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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
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> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> Sambo's
> Dog'n Suds
> Burger Chef
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> Bob's Big Boy ?
> Shoney's
> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> Dutch Pantry
> Zantigo's
> Any others ?
>
The last Dog N Suds closed here in the Cleveland area around 5 years ago. I
was completely disappointed that I could not get a Dog N Suds logo mug for
my son at the drive in. We can still purchase the fine root beer at local
merchants.

A&W still operates a classic drive in outside Youngstown, complete with the
root beer, hot dogs and carhops. They even have classic car shows during
the warm weather months.


Tom in CTown


Thomas Hornikel

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:09:09 AM3/28/03
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> York Steak House was another national chain I worked for that went under
about
> twenty years ago.
>
I really enjoyed York, until it was sold to a conglomerate. The salads and
key lime pies were worth the trip.

On that subject, Ponderosa seems to be on the death list.

Tom In CTown


Thomas Hornikel

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:13:21 AM3/28/03
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"Dave Gresham" <gre...@visi.com> wrote in message
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> In article <b5uvvd$p62$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
> J.D. Baldwin <ne...@baldwin.users.panix.com> wrote:

> >
> >In the previous article, Mc5 <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote:
> >> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> >> Sambo's
> >> Dog'n Suds
> >> Burger Chef
> >> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> >> Bob's Big Boy ?
> >> Shoney's
> >> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> >> Dutch Pantry
> >> Zantigo's
> >> Any others ?
> >
> >I could swear I saw a Shoney's in Florida two years ago. And there
> >was a Bob's Big Boy near Columbia, Maryland, as of last November.
> >
> >There was a chain in Michigan called Bill Knapp's. I never ate at
> >one, but it was weird that they all shut down literally overnight --
> >the employees came in one morning to find the doors locked, and their
> >managers there telling them to go home.
> >
> >I certainly hope Whataburger is still in business!
>
> Living in San Diego I was rather fond of Rally Burgers, but most of
> them have closed up. I recall one in Sante Fe, NM, however I haven't
> been out that way in several years.
>
Rally's/Snaps/Zipz are still hanging on here, but the quality of the food
has severely slipped. The fantastic curly fries are greasy and flavorless.
The burgers are now McCondimented to the max. Definitely below average.
:^(

Tom In CTown


Thomas Hornikel

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:18:57 AM3/28/03
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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
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> Stuckey's (bad food, gift shops, sold pecan logs)
> Sambo's
> Dog'n Suds
> Burger Chef
> Rax (Sort of like Arbys, are they all gone ?)
> Bob's Big Boy ?
> Shoney's
> Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips
> Dutch Pantry
> Zantigo's
> Any others ?
>
Saxon's Roast Beef
Mr. S
Red Barn
The Dog House
Shakey's Pizza


Tom In CTown


Mpoconnor7

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:23:06 AM3/28/03
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>> York Steak House was another national chain I worked for that went under
>about
>> twenty years ago.
>>
>I really enjoyed York, until it was sold to a conglomerate. The salads and
>key lime pies were worth the trip.

It was sold to General Mills, and they mismanaged it. When it went under in
the fall of 1983 IIRC 180 restaurants closed their doors.

Mc5

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"Paul Sauberer" <spamgr...@aol.com> wrote in message news:ugQga.32982>

> Chi-Chi's is another chain that abandoned the Long Island market and,
oddly
> as it may seem, Texas.
>
Chi-Chi's I believe has abandoned the restaurant chains entirely. The
sauce is still sold in stores, under the same name however.


Louis Epstein

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:38:13 AM3/28/03
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Joe Pucillo <new...@pucillo.net.xx> wrote:
: Wasn't it DGH who said...
:> How about Kenny Rogers' Roasters. It was a place that sold roasted

:> chicken. It was really pretty good. There was one in Springfield,
:> Illinois, that is now a Wendy's.

: There was a Kenny Rogers' in White Marsh, Md. that is now an A&W.
: It's the first stand-alone A&W that I've seen in about twenty years,
: and the first I've ever seen east of the Monongahela.

Only A&W I ever went to in my life was in 1977,
somewhere between Troy and Saratoga,N.Y.

doc

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:46:57 AM3/28/03
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:38:13 -0600, Louis Epstein
<lep...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote:

>Joe Pucillo <new...@pucillo.net.xx> wrote:
>: Wasn't it DGH who said...
>:> How about Kenny Rogers' Roasters. It was a place that sold roasted
>:> chicken. It was really pretty good. There was one in Springfield,
>:> Illinois, that is now a Wendy's.
>
>: There was a Kenny Rogers' in White Marsh, Md. that is now an A&W.
>: It's the first stand-alone A&W that I've seen in about twenty years,
>: and the first I've ever seen east of the Monongahela.
>
>Only A&W I ever went to in my life was in 1977,
>somewhere between Troy and Saratoga,N.Y.
>

Kenny Roger's franchises were actually a cut above the usual fast-food
fare. It's a pity that they've disappeared.

Whatever became of the Sonic Drive-Ins which were so in vogue down
South in the late 70s?


Paul Sauberer

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:55:35 AM3/28/03
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"Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
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They are still around.

http://www.chi-chis.com/

We usually stop at the one just off I-95 in Delaware on trips up and down
the middle Atlantic.

Paul Sauberer


Paul Sauberer

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Mar 28, 2003, 12:59:05 AM3/28/03
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"Thomas Hornikel" <tjhor...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Shakey's Pizza
>

Shakey's is another one that survivies, but not in its former glory.

http://www.shakeys.com/

Paul Sauberer


Mc5

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Mar 28, 2003, 1:57:38 AM3/28/03
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"Paul Sauberer" <spamgr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> They are still around.
>
> http://www.chi-chis.com/
>
> We usually stop at the one just off I-95 in Delaware on trips up and down
> the middle Atlantic.
>
According to the list there is one only about 15 miles from where I live.
Guess I have to get out more, or the list is outdated. I will check it out.

The Kentucky Wizard

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Mar 28, 2003, 2:20:54 AM3/28/03
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Upon receiving news that Thomas Hornikel had made the remarks below, and
after consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members
of my Cabinet and telephone conversations with various world leaders, I have
come to the following conclusions:

You should make the drive down to Louisville sometime, Tom. We still have
Dog N Suds drive-in here. I'm looking at wone on their mugs right now, with
the dog holding the platter and behind the fence. We also have a couple A&Ws
also, but they are on the outskirts of the county. Nothing like those frozen
mugs filled with ice cold root beer. I have their mugs also.

--
The Wiz ....

I suffer from deja vu and amnesia at the same
time. I think I have forgotten this before.


Nell

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Mar 28, 2003, 2:33:31 AM3/28/03
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drbo...@xprt.net (doc) wrote:

>Whatever became of the Sonic Drive-Ins
> which were so in vogue down South in
> the late 70s?

There's several in the Midwest. Two or three in St. Joseph, MO, where I
lived until a year ago.

There's a store locator but it's not complete for Missouri, as it
doesn't have the St. Joe stores. The downtown one is only a couple of
years old. Great onion rings! :) Found out by accident that they serve
iced coffee. I'd ordered ice tea (my beverage of choice, sans sugar and
lemon). I didn't taste my beverage until I got home. Blaaaggghhhh! My
mother never liked iced coffee and after a sip of that, I concur.

http://www.sonicdrivein.com/

Happy hunting.

Nell

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 2:57:54 AM3/28/03
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On 27 Mar 2003 19:55:27 GMT, mpoco...@aol.comnojunk (Mpoconnor7)
wrote:

>>>Was Red Barn a national chain?
>>
>>There was a Red Barn in my neighborhodd here in metro Detroit when I
>>was a young'un (before I could drive), so I don't know if there were
>>others.
>
>They had a sub shop called the Red Barn here in upstate SC that closed about
>ten years ago. They made the best cold sub I have ever eaten. Is this part of
>the same chain?

"My" Red Barn was a burger place. What else was on the menu besides
the standard burger-and-fries selections is beyond my memory. Don't
recall any subs, though. Maybe a fish sandwich, or roast beef.

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:00:10 AM3/28/03
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:14:01 -0800, Sam Yorko
<JOATno...@computer.org> wrote:

>Kathi wrote:
>> What about H. Salt Fish & Chips? They were usually connected to a KFC
>> (at least in the Detroit area). I don't know if they were national or
>> not; they've been gone over 20 years.

>We've got an H. Salt here in San Jose, CA.

If I knew the way to San Jose, I'd stop in for an order of
fish-n-chips. IIRC, it was pretty good, for battered and deep-fried
cod.

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:08:41 AM3/28/03
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:26:31 GMT, Brigid Nelson wrote:
>Church's Fried Chicken is also long gone from this area - but we do
>still have Popeye's.

Both are still wildly popular and thriving in the Detroit area.

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:13:12 AM3/28/03
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On 27 Mar 2003 15:23:27 -0800, peri...@eudoramail.com (DGH) wrote:


>Are there any more Brown's Fried Chicken places any more?

Ooh, there's another one. There was one up the street when I was in my
late teens (20 yrs ago), but it's now a Taco Bell. There was a Taco
Plaza a few blocks away, but I don't know how widespread (if at all)
that was. There was also a Taco Grande (we called it Taco
Dee-Lite)..it was horrid. Frozen burritos, individually sealed in
cellophane packets. Blech. Was there once and never again. That was
also about 18 years ago. It's now a Subway.

>How about Church's Chicken?

Alive and thriving in the Detroit area.

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:16:28 AM3/28/03
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On 27 Mar 2003 23:47:01 GMT, gre...@visi.com (Dave Gresham) wrote:

>Living in San Diego I was rather fond of Rally Burgers, but most of
>them have closed up. I recall one in Sante Fe, NM, however I haven't
>been out that way in several years.

Rally's grew wildly here in the Detroit area several years ago, but
you'd be hard pressed to find one now. Used to be "one in every town"
but now the two that I know of are separated by about 30 miles.

Kathi

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:39:15 -0500, new...@pucillo.net.xx (Joe
Pucillo) wrote:

>Wasn't it seven who said...
>> Lums-- home of the Ollieburger!
>
>I didn't know Lums was a chain. There was only one that I knew of,
>near Newark, Delaware. It had all the earmarks of a chain, quite a
>bit like Perkins without the pancakes, but it was so close to Lum's
>Pond that I thought the name was a Delaware thing. :-)

There was a Lums in Royal Oak, Michigan... "home of the boiled-in-beer
hot dogs." Same one? If so, I didn't know it was a chain, either.

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:37:00 AM3/28/03
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:09:09 GMT, "Thomas Hornikel"
<tjhor...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>On that subject, Ponderosa seems to be on the death list.

Oh, I hope so. Blech. That "Grand Buffet" is a joke.

David Samuel Barr

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Mar 28, 2003, 2:39:33 AM3/28/03
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Paul Sauberer wrote:
>
> "Mc5" <mc...@wsdwest.net> wrote in message
> news:b5ujv...@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> Howard Johnson's

Still in Times Square (46th & Broadway) but perhaps not for much longer
(see http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/19/dining/19HOJO.html); other
locations, see http://www.franchiseassociates.com/locations/index.htm

> Roy Rogers (not quite dead but I think it only exists on the NJ
> Turnpike and in western Maryland)

There are at least seven Roy Rogers outlets just in midtown Manhattan,
and numerous others in Westchester and upstate New York. Also in CT,
DE, MA, MD (mostly central), OH, PA and VA.


David Samuel Barr

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Mar 28, 2003, 2:55:07 AM3/28/03
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DGH wrote:
>
> .

>
> How about Kenny Rogers' Roasters. It was a place that sold roasted
> chicken. It was really pretty good. There was one in Springfield,
> Illinois, that is now a Wendy's.

There was one on the Upper East Side of Manhattan during the 90s, but
I think it's gone now. There are still at least one in Brooklyn, one in
Yonkers and two on Long Island.


Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:41:00 AM3/28/03
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I did a quick search for Chi-Chi's in Michigan (I knew of one, but
hadn't paid attention as to whether it was still open), and came up
with 14 in the whole state.

Kathi

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:09:09 GMT, "Thomas Hornikel"
<tjhor...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>I really enjoyed York, until it was sold to a conglomerate. The salads and
>key lime pies were worth the trip.

Speaking of key lime pies... Baker's Square?

Kathi

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:02:49 -0800, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A."
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> The food and service SUCK. McDonalds lost my business years
>ago. Whatever ill effects their drek was inflicting on my GI tract
>are but dim memories.

Ok, so it's not just my tender tummy, then. My spouse has claimed for
years that McDonald's wreaked havoc on his digestive system, and my
mother (still healthy and with all her faculties) had an "accident"
while shopping with my niece, after having lunched at McD's.

Ed Varner

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Mar 28, 2003, 3:45:40 AM3/28/03
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Here are some chains from when I was growing up in Seattle in the 60s & 70s. I
am not sure if any of them are still around elswhere.

Herfy's
Dag's Hamburgers
Whizburger
Arctic Circle
Chicken Delight (they delivered in a car that had a chicken head)
Sea Galley Restaurant
Pizza Haven
Shakey's Pizza
Muncheese Pizza
Pietro's Pizza
Royal Fork Buffet
Jolly Troll Buffet
H Salt Esquire Fish & Chips
Farrel's Ice Cream Parlor
Triple X Rootbeer (similar to A&W)
Counry Kitchen


Ed

Kathi

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Mar 28, 2003, 4:26:05 AM3/28/03
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On 28 Mar 2003 08:45:40 GMT, evar...@aol.com (Ed Varner) wrote:

>Here are some chains from when I was growing up in Seattle in the 60s & 70s. I
>am not sure if any of them are still around elswhere.

>Farrel's Ice Cream Parlor

There were a couple of Farrell's in the Detroit area in the 60s & 70s.
I think they closed in the early 80s. "The Zoo" was a giant ice cream
sundae (serves 8-10), and "The Pig Trough" was the one that garnered
an "I Made a Pig of Myself" ribbon if you finished it all. That, and
the whole waitstaff singing Happy Birthday with kazoos, slide whistles
and applause from the whole parlor. I wish it was still around so my
kids could have experienced it (they're teens now).

doc

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Mar 28, 2003, 4:22:51 AM3/28/03
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:00:10 -0500, Kathi <kath...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Long John Silver's used to make some mighty fine hush puppies, but
this seems to be a regional menu item, as I haven't seen a hush puppy
in any fish'n chips establishment West of the Rocky Buttes (as the
Old Duke would say...)

There is a soul food establishment in NE Portland which serves hush
puppies with their fried catfish. They also have the very best baby
back ribs I've ever experienced. Of course, I don't want to mention
the name because then it everyone will know and the whole ambience of
the place will change...lol.


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