Re: (OT) "Leave It To Beaver" mystery of their home city, solved!
R H Draney
>
>x-no-archive: yes
>
> Not sure if afficiondos of the "Leave It To Beaver" (1957-1963) tv series
>remember this, but the episode "Kite Day" (June 10, 1961 episode #154, shown
>Sun. 12/18 on 'TVLand'), mentions the point at least 3 times of Ward as,
>"the best kite maker in Shaker Heights."
> Shaker Heights is a small town (suburb of Cleveland) in Ohio, so that
>should solve the eternal mystery of where Beaver and his family lived.
Not necessarily...they could be saying that Ward was known as the best kite
maker in Shaker Heights *when he lived there*, during his own childhood...I see
nothing in this that suggests he's living where he grew up....
> Today's episode, "Substitute Father" (episode #156, 4th season end, June
>24, 1961) had Ward travel to St. Louis so he couldn't go to school to talk
>to Miss Landers about the 'dirty word' Beaver used against a classmate who
>tripped him in the hallway.
USGS only finds one "populated place" called Shaker Heights, and it's the one
you mention, but beside the familiar "Saint Louis" in Missouri, places of that
name can be found in Georgia, Louisiana (two of them, in fact), Michigan,
Oklahoma, Oregon, Virginia and California....r
thesonoftruth
That show seemed to be a bit urban to be set in a small farming
community, etc.
Bill Schenley
> (1957-1963) tv series remember this, but the episode
> "Kite Day" (June 10, 1961 episode #154, shown Sun.
> 12/18 on 'TVLand'), mentions the point at least 3 times
> of Ward as, "the best kite maker in Shaker Heights."
Poor Roy. If it wasn't for insanity and sitcoms ... you'd have no
friends.
> Shaker Heights is a small town (suburb of Cleveland)
> in Ohio, so that should solve the eternal mystery of
> where Beaver and his family lived.
As usual, your detective skills leave something to be desired. The
"eternal mystery" rages on. And I, for one, admit to being plagued by
this burning question for the last forty-really-odd years.
How will we ever *really* know if the Cleavers lived in Ohio or New
York ... or New Jersey ... or even Shaker Heights, Kansas?ą
How, Roy? How can we be sure?
The "Eternal Mystery" continues.
Drat!
> Today's episode, "Substitute Father" (episode #156,
> 4th season end, June 24, 1961) had Ward travel to St.
> Louis so he couldn't go to school to talk to Miss Landers
> about the 'dirty word' Beaver used against a classmate who
> tripped him in the hallway.
It always comes back to the government-run schools with you.
I *had* planned my day around the "Substitute Father" episode, but now
you've ruined it for me. No way will I participate in this
Libertarian Controlled Media propaganda.
Ya' freakin' vegetable ...
ąNew York, New Jersey and Kansas all have areas known as Shaker
Heights.
... And California has a mountain called Shaker Heights.
Say ... You don't suppose "Grizzly Adams" was a Leave It To Beaver"
spin-off, do ya'?
bellytalker
Rob Petrie wrote:
> Shaker Heights is a small town
>(suburb of Cleveland) in Ohio, so that
> should solve the eternal mystery of
>where Beaver and his family lived.
What mystery? They lived in Mayfield.
Ed Varner
Rob Petrie wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Not sure if afficiondos of the "Leave It To Beaver" (1957-1963) tv series
> remember this, but the episode "Kite Day" (June 10, 1961 episode #154, shown
> Sun. 12/18 on 'TVLand'), mentions the point at least 3 times of Ward as,
> "the best kite maker in Shaker Heights."
> should solve the eternal mystery of where Beaver and his family lived.
I thought they lived in Mayfield?
Ed
R H Draney
>
>"R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>news:do9kq...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>> USGS only finds one "populated place" called Shaker Heights, and it's the
>> one
>> you mention, but beside the familiar "Saint Louis" in Missouri, places of
>> that
>> name can be found in Georgia, Louisiana (two of them, in fact), Michigan,
>> Oklahoma, Oregon, Virginia and California....r
>
> Everybody who has ever seen/heard it knows they are talking about the
>one, the only St. Louis MISSOURI, that Ward has to go to for a business trip
>and not some other place with the same name in a different State.
> I've just looked up in "The World Almanac 2006" on all cities in the
>U.S. with a population of at least 5,000 and there is only one other city
>with that exact name in those States you mentioned (in MI, pop. 3,828 in
>1990; 8,701 est. in 2004; much less in the 1960 census.
> Yeah, he really went on a business trip to a teeny-tiny town of way less
>than 3,800 people (1960 census would probably be less than 2,000 pop.)!
> Yeah,, right.
> Therefore, YOU ARE WRONG!
St John's wort, as much as you can choke down, and quickly!...r
marcu...@hotmail.com
Rob Petrie wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
> >> Not sure if afficiondos of the "Leave It To Beaver" (1957-1963) tv
> >> series
> >>remember this, but the episode "Kite Day" (June 10, 1961 episode #154,
> >>shown
> >>Sun. 12/18 on 'TVLand'), mentions the point at least 3 times of Ward as,
> >>"the best kite maker in Shaker Heights."
> >> Shaker Heights is a small town (suburb of Cleveland) in Ohio, so that
> >>should solve the eternal mystery of where Beaver and his family lived.
> >
> > Not necessarily...they could be saying that Ward was known as the best
> > kite
> > maker in Shaker Heights *when he lived there*, during his own
> > childhood...I see
> > nothing in this that suggests he's living where he grew up....
>
> Beaver did not want his classmates to think his dad wasn't a good
> kite-maker when the kite they made together crashed on the Beav when he took
> it out with Gilbert.
> He wanted everyone to know his dad was the best kite-maker in Shaker
> Heights, a place mentioned THREE times in that episode. So, it wasn't Ward
> reminiscing "when he lived there" it was the current situation.
>
> >> Today's episode, "Substitute Father" (episode #156, 4th season end,
> >> June
> >>24, 1961) had Ward travel to St. Louis so he couldn't go to school to talk
> >>to Miss Landers about the 'dirty word' Beaver used against a classmate who
> >>tripped him in the hallway.
>
> > USGS only finds one "populated place" called Shaker Heights, and it's the
> > one
> > you mention, but beside the familiar "Saint Louis" in Missouri, places of
> > that
> > name can be found in Georgia, Louisiana (two of them, in fact), Michigan,
> > Oklahoma, Oregon, Virginia and California....r
>
> Everybody who has ever seen/heard it knows they are talking about the
> one, the only St. Louis MISSOURI, that Ward has to go to for a business trip
> and not some other place with the same name in a different State.
> I've just looked up in "The World Almanac 2006" on all cities in the
> U.S. with a population of at least 5,000 and there is only one other city
> with that exact name in those States you mentioned (in MI, pop. 3,828 in
> 1990; 8,701 est. in 2004; much less in the 1960 census.
> Yeah, he really went on a business trip to a teeny-tiny town of way less
> than 3,800 people (1960 census would probably be less than 2,000 pop.)!
> Yeah,, right.
> Therefore, YOU ARE WRONG!
Yes, I do remember the Shaker Heights reference, but always assumed
that it was the boyhood home of Ward, and not his home as an adult.
I've always figured that they lived somewhere in the midwest, even
though the topography suggests Northern California. They didn't live
anywhere real cold...I don't recall ever seeing a snow scene. Come to
think of it, they never had one Christmas show! Quite odd for a
50s/early 60s sitcom.
Oh those secular Cleavers!
bagley@yahoo.com Jack Bagley
account of Wallace Cleaver, and the other on the account of Theodore
Cleaver -- drawn on the bank of Mayfield. Their addresses on the checks
clearly specify that they live in Mayfield, Ohio.
I will send the jpg on request.
Jack
Bill Schenley
Heh ... heh ... Boy, do *you* have nerve ...
> > Everybody who has ever seen/heard it knows they
> > are talking about the one, the only St. Louis MISSOURI,
> > that Ward has to go to for a business trip
I feel terrible about this ...
Roy ... It wasn't real. That's right ... It was just a television
show. So, really, it could be St. Louis,
Anywhere-In-The-Whole-Freakin'-World.
Sitcoms aren't real, Roy.
Stop crying, Roy. Get a hold of yourself (NO! Not that way) ...
Someone had to tell you.
<Note: Tomorrow I plan on driving past a pre-school ... and shout:
There Is No Santa Claus. No Easter Bunny. No Tooth Fairy. No god
... and no reason to go on!>
> > Therefore, YOU ARE WRONG!
According to the Museum of Broadcast Communications ... The Cleaver's
moved from a small home at 485 Maple Drive to a larger house at 211
Pine Street in Mayfield, Mid-West.
However, I have personal knowledge that this information is incorrect.
I have visited the Cleaver's home on Pine Street (Actually it is on
Colonial Street). It is in Los Angeles, California ... on the
Universal lot ... *And*, IIRC, the Cleaver's shared their home with
Bentley and Kelly Gregg ... and Peter Tong.
*Now* your mystery is solved.
> St John's wort, as much as you can choke down, and
> quickly!...r
Hilarious.
Joe Pucillo
> Rob Petrie wrote:
They did. Roy's hearing voices again.
Actually, there's a suburb on the eastern side of Cleveland
called Mayfield - I know because it was there that I had the best
damn bowl of gnocchi that I have ever had.
Dunno if Ward ever took the clan to this restaurant, but the
gnocchi was incredible!
JP
Bob Feigel
magnanimously proffered:
>> > Oh, use your common sense, man!
>
>Heh ... heh ... Boy, do *you* have nerve ...
>
>> > Everybody who has ever seen/heard it knows they
>> > are talking about the one, the only St. Louis MISSOURI,
>> > that Ward has to go to for a business trip
>
>I feel terrible about this ...
>
>Roy ... It wasn't real. That's right ... It was just a television
>show. So, really, it could be St. Louis,
>Anywhere-In-The-Whole-Freakin'-World.
>
>Sitcoms aren't real, Roy.
>
>Stop crying, Roy. Get a hold of yourself (NO! Not that way) ...
>Someone had to tell you.
Now if someone would only tell me that Roy isn't real.
He isn't, is he?!?!?
"It's not that I'm afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens." - Woody Allen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
thesonoftruth
Seems to be correct. I emailed a good friend (The Electrci Mr. Gregg)
who lives the Cleveland area and thus he sprachened:
Interesting, I always thought it was set in "Mayfield" (also a suburb
of
Cleveland. My recollection was confirmed by imdb.com
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050032/).
Mayfield is a much more likely setting for the Cleavers than Shaker
Heights. Shaker is a very affluent suburb, full of big homes and
English
architecture..
Doug 2.0
news:1135108941.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Shaker Heights is not small,nor a farming community;actually it's the
"wealthy" area of greater Cleveland.
http://shakeronline.com/about/
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"No matter what you believe,it doesn't change the facts."
- Al Kersha
thesonoftruth
Are you illiterate or just stupid?
R H Draney
Maybe it's not the official "town" or whatever of Shaker Heights but some
subdivision or neighborhood or Leavittown-like housing development by that
name....
Just for giggles, here's all the Mayfields USGS knows about (sorry, they don't
seem to include population figures any more):
County State Lat/Long USGS Map Elev (ft)
Rockingham NC 363040N 0793400W Brosville 676
Lackawanna PA 413217N 0753210W Carbondale 968
Fredericksb'g VA 381708N 0772721W Fredericksburg 66
Fulton NY 430616N 0741553W Gloversville 846
Caldwell NC 354907N 0812853W Granite Falls 1181
Hale TX 340628N 1015923W Hale Center SW 3501
Hill TX 320548N 0971139W Hillsboro West 702
Washington WI 431945N 0881148W Jackson 938
Hancock GA 332119N 0824803W Jewell 407
Lynchburg VA 372305N 0791404W Lynchburg 784
Elmore ID 432505N 1155405W Mayfield 3602
Sumner KS 371530N 0973241W Mayfield 1283
Graves KY 364430N 0883812W Mayfield 476
Grand Traverse MI 443734N 0853143W Mayfield 837
Beckham OK 352020N 0995236W Mayfield 2005
Yankton SD 430457N 0971907W Mayfield 1371
Sanpete UT 390651N 1114239W Mayfield 5541
Cuyahoga OH 413307N 0812621W Mayfield Hts 928
Lewis WA 463031N 1223409W Mayfield Lake 430
Butler OH 392941N 0842222W Monroe 679
Westmoreland PA 400810N 0793552W Mount Pleasant 1086
Delaware IN 401142N 0852060W Muncie East 981
Anne Arundel MD 390545N 0764148W Odenton 125
Bollinger MO 372715N 0895657W Scopus 627
Washington AR 360801N 0935639W Spring Valley 1211
Howard MD 391737N 0765506W Sykesville 564
New Castle DE 394750N 0753029W Wm'gton North 302
Two in Ohio, I see, but I've kind of got my heart set on the one in Utah...Eddie
Haskell *was* played by a guy named Osmond, after all, and it would certainly
fit in with the white-bread character of the show....r
Elaine Parrish
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Rob Petrie wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Not sure if afficiondos of the "Leave It To Beaver" (1957-1963) tv series
> remember this, but the episode "Kite Day" (June 10, 1961 episode #154, shown
> Sun. 12/18 on 'TVLand'), mentions the point at least 3 times of Ward as,
> "the best kite maker in Shaker Heights."
> Shaker Heights is a small town (suburb of Cleveland) in Ohio, so that
> should solve the eternal mystery of where Beaver and his family lived.
> Today's episode, "Substitute Father" (episode #156, 4th season end, June
> 24, 1961) had Ward travel to St. Louis so he couldn't go to school to talk
> to Miss Landers about the 'dirty word' Beaver used against a classmate who
> tripped him in the hallway.
>
>
>
>
Hey Roy,
I love info about the old shows. Thanks.
Do you know if "Shaker Heights" has any historical significance as a name?
Did it have any ties to the Shakers of long past?
Elaine