Ann Coulter's father
abby once again
JOHN VINCENT COULTER
January 9, 2008
The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y., hospital, at least as of
May 5, 1926, who grew up to be my strapping father, passed away last
Friday morning.
As Mother and I stood at Daddy's casket Monday morning, Mother repeated
his joke to him, which he said on every wedding anniversary until a few
years ago when Lewy bodies dementia prevented him from saying much at
all: "54 years, married to the wrong woman." And we laughed.
John Vincent Coulter was of the old school, a man of few words, the
un-Oprah, no crying or wearing your heart on your sleeve, and reacting
to moments of great sentiment with a joke. Or as we used to call them:
men.
When he was moping around the house once, missing my brother who had
just gone back to college, he said, "Well, if you had cancer long
enough, you'd miss it."
He'd indicate his feelings about my skirt length by saying, "You look
nice, Hart, but you forgot to put on your skirt."
Of course, he did show strong emotion when The New York Post would run a
photo of Teddy Kennedy saying the rosary. I can still see the look of
disgust. I saw that face in "How To Read People Like a Book" and it was
NOT a good chapter.
Your parents are your whole world when you are a child. You only
recognize what is unique about them when you get older and see how the
rest of the world diverges from your standard of normality.
So it took me awhile to realize that by telling my friends that Father
was an ex-FBI agent and a union-buster whose hobbies included rebuilding
Volkswagens and shooting squirrels in our backyard, I was painting the
image of a rough Eliot Ness type, rather than the cheerful, funny
raconteur they would meet.
Besides being very funny, Father had an absolutely straight moral
compass without ever being preachy or judgmental or even telling us in
words. He just was good.
He would return to a store if he was given too much change -- and this
was a man who was so "thrifty," as we Scots like to say, he told us he
wanted to be buried in two cardboard boxes from the A&P rather than pay
for a coffin.
When I was bombarded with arguments for baby-killing as a kid, I asked
Father about the old chestnut involving a poverty-stricken, unwed
teenage girl who gets pregnant. (This was before they added the
"impregnated by her own father" part.) Father just said, "I don't care.
If it's a life, it's a life." I'm still waiting to hear an effective
counterargument.
Father hated puffery, pomposity, snobbery, fake friendliness, fake
anything. Like Kitty's father in "Anna Karenina," he could detect a
substanceless suitor in a heartbeat. (They were probably the same ones
who looked nervous when I told them Father was ex-FBI and liked to shoot
squirrels in the backyard.)
He hated unions because of their corrupt leadership, ripping off the
members for their own aggrandizement. But he had more respect for
genuine working men than anyone I've ever known. He was, in short, the
molecular opposite of John Edwards.
Father didn't care what popular opinion was: There was right and wrong.
I don't recall his ever specifically talking about J. Edgar Hoover or
Joe McCarthy, but we knew he thought the popular histories were bunk.
That's why "Treason" was dedicated to him, the last book of mine he was
able to read.
When Father returned from the war, he used the G.I. Bill to complete
college and law school in three years. In order to get to law school
quickly, he chose the easiest college major -- a major that so impressed
him, he told my oldest brother that if he ever took one single course in
sociology, Father would cut off his tuition payments.
As a young FBI agent fresh out of law school, one of Father's first
assignments was to investigate job applicants at a uranium enrichment
plant, the only suitable land for which was apparently located on some
property owned by the then-vice president, Alben Barkley, in Paducah,
Ky.
One day, a group of FBI agents saw the beautiful Nell Husbands Martin at
lunch with her mother. They asked the waitress for her name and flipped
a coin to see who could ask her out first. Father lost the coin toss, so
he paid off the other agents. And that's how Nell became my mother.
Mother swore she'd never marry a drinker, a smoker or a Catholic, and
she got all three, reforming Father on all but the Catholicism. Even in
foreign countries where none of us spoke the language, Father went to
Mass every Sunday until the very end.
Of course, toward the end, he probably didn't even remember he was a
Catholic. But on the bright side, he didn't remember that Teddy Kennedy
was a Catholic, either.
Father spent most of his nine-year FBI career as a Red hunter in New
York City.
He never talked much about his FBI days. I learned that he worked on the
Rudolf Abel case -- the highest-ranking Soviet spy ever captured in U.S.
history -- during one of my brother's eulogies on Monday. But when
Father read a paper I wrote at Cornell defending McCarthy and came
across the name William Remington, he told me that had been his case.
Father mostly had contempt for Soviet spies. In addition to damaging
information, such as military plans and nuclear secrets, the spies also
collected massive amounts of utterly useless information on things like
U.S. agricultural production. These were people who looked at a flush
toilet like it was a spaceship.
He told me Soviet spies reveled in the whole cloak-and-dagger aspect of
espionage. One spy gave weirdly specific details to a contact before
their first meeting: He would have the New York Herald Tribune folded
three times, tucked under his left elbow at a particular angle.
When the spy walked into the hotel lobby for the rendezvous, Father
nearly fell off his chair when the man with the Herald Tribune folded
under his elbow just so ... was also wearing a full-length fur coat. But
he couldn't have told his contact: "I'll be the only white man in North
America wearing a full-length fur coat."
In the early 1980s, as vice president and labor lawyer for Phelps Dodge
copper company, Father broke a strike against the company, which
culminated in the largest union decertification ever -- at that time and
perhaps still. President Reagan had broken the air traffic controllers'
strike in 1981. But unions recognized that it was the breaking of the
Phelps Dodge strike a few years later that landed the greater blow, as
described in the book "Copper Crucible."
There was massive violence by the strikers, including guns being fired
into the homes of the mine employees who returned to work. Every day,
Father walked with the strikebreakers through the picket line, (in my
mind) brushing egg off his suit lapel.
By 1986 it was over; the mineworkers voted against the union and Phelps
Dodge was saved. For any liberals still reading, this is what's known as
a "happy ending."
To Mother's lifelong consternation -- until he had dementia and she
could get him back by smothering him with hugs and kisses -- Father
wasn't demonstrative. But all he wanted was to be with Mother (and to
work on his Volkswagens). They traveled the world together, went to DAR
conventions together, engaged in Republican politics together and went
to the New York Philharmonic together -- for three decades, their
subscription seats were on the highest landing, or as we Scots call it,
the "Music Lovers" level.
When Mother was in a rehabilitative facility briefly after surgery a few
years ago and Father was not supposed to be driving, we were relieved
that a snowstorm had knocked out the power to the garage door opener, so
Daddy couldn't get to the car. It would just be a week and then Mother
would be home.
My brother came home to check on Father the first day of this
arrangement to find that he had taken an ax to the side door of the
garage, so he could drive to the rehab center and sit with Mother all
day.
When she left him for five days last summer to go to a family reunion in
Kentucky, at some point, Father, who hadn't been able to speak much
anymore, looked up and asked his nurse, "Where is she?"
And last Friday morning at 2 he passed away, in his bedroom with Mother.
The police and firemen told my brother that they kept trying to distract
Mother to keep her away from the bedroom with Father's body, but she
kept padding back into the bedroom to be close to him.
Now Daddy is with Joe McCarthy and Ronald Reagan. I hope they stop
laughing about the Reds long enough to talk to God about smiting some
liberals for me.
Jim Beaver
"abby once again" <abbync2...@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
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> http://anncoulter.com/
>
> JOHN VINCENT COULTER
> January 9, 2008
>
> The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y., hospital, at least as of
> May 5, 1926, who grew up to be my strapping father, passed away last
> Friday morning.
I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had parents she loved,"
and hoping to find something humanizing.
Instead, I found the worst thing I think I've ever read of hers. Her eulogy
of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than an example
of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
I thought I was beyond being further appalled by this woman.
Jim Beaver
Bill Schenley
> > January 9, 2008
>
> > The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y.,
> > hospital, at least as of May 5, 1926, who grew up
> > to be my strapping father, passed away last
> > Friday morning.
>
> I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had
> parents she loved," and hoping to find something
> humanizing.
>
> Instead, I found the worst thing I think I've ever read
> of hers. Her eulogy of her father reads less as a tribute
> to the man she loved than an example of "oh, wow, can
> I ever score some points with this!"
>
> I thought I was beyond being further appalled by this
> woman.
When I got to this part ...
> > John Vincent Coulter was of the old school, a man
> > of few words, the un-Oprah, no crying or wearing your
> > heart on your sleeve, and reacting to moments of great
> > sentiment with a joke. Or as we used to call them: men.
... I thought, Oh, no. Here it comes ... Then, when I read this ...
> > When I was bombarded with arguments for baby-killing
> > as a kid, I asked Father about the old chestnut involving
> > a poverty-stricken, unwed teenage girl who gets pregnant.
> > (This was before they added the "impregnated by her own
> > father" part.) Father just said, "I don't care. If it's a life, it's
> > a life." I'm still waiting to hear an effective counterargument.
... I thought, JFC ... Does this bimbo have no shame.
And when I finished this paragraph ...
> He hated unions because of their corrupt leadership,
> ripping off the members for their own aggrandizement.
> But he had more respect for genuine working men than
> anyone I've ever known. He was, in short, the molecular
> opposite of John Edwards.
... I just stopped reading.
Scott Brady
> "abby once again" <abbync20012...@yeehaw.com> wrote in messagenews:478bb9c2$0$21205$8826...@alt.teranews.com...
>
> >http://anncoulter.com/
>
> > JOHN VINCENT COULTER
> > January 9, 2008
>
> > The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y., hospital, at least as of
> > May 5, 1926, who grew up to be my strapping father, passed away last
> > Friday morning.
>
> I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had parents she loved,"
> and hoping to find something humanizing.
I'm sure that was your first thought. How shocked you must have been
to discover she offered no evidence that her father shared any of your
political views.
> Instead, I found the worst thing I think I've ever read of hers. Her eulogy
> of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than an example
> of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
Having read the column, I can only characterize your critique of it as
a lie.
> I thought I was beyond being further appalled by this woman.
Don't sell yourself short.
Scott Brady
I don't know. Why don't you call her bluff? She gave you a huge
opening--seems like it would be a good spot for you to shut her up
with--oh, I don't know--an effective counterargument?
Unless you're making the point that quoting a parent's heartfelt
words, which apparently had their much-desired effect, is out of place
in an obituary.
Charlene
Not a lie: a mistake. He was far, far too nice.
wd43
La N
"Jim Beaver" <jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message
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I don't understand the allure of this woman. I absolutely don't. But,
then, I'm Canadian. So many Americans seem to think that she's spot on.
But, then, in the US "liberal" has become a dirty word.
- nilita
Scott Brady
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:36:30 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>
> <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I'm sure that was your first thought. How shocked you must have been
> >to discover she offered no evidence that her father shared any of your
> >political views.
>
> writer claims to have cared about turned into an excuse to spew bile.
> It has, in this case, far less to do with the opinions that were
> expressed than their location and tone.
>
> >Having read the column, I can only characterize your critique of it as
> >a lie.
>
> complete failure as a human being. Suck shit from a dead dog's
> asshole, you motherfucking worthless bag of rotting monkey cunts.
I'm honored. That's the type of reasoned criticism usually reserved
for Coulter.
And, predictably, your clincher was the requisite pejorative reference
to female physiology.
I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
writings is un-American. And anyone who does so without resorting to
disparaging her sexuality or physical characteristics is--well, at
this point, just a theoretical entity. It's not yet been proven they
exist.
Jed
<sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
>otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
>writings is un-American.
Yep. Coulter is the voice of reasoned American moderatation. I don't
think she even knows the definition of hyperbole.
La N
"Jed" <zyzygy@plenipôtentiary.com.invalid> wrote in message
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I'm waiting for the usual boys' chorus delurking to say, "I'd do her!"
KingDaevid
> I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had parents she loved,"
> and hoping to find something humanizing.
>
> Instead, I found the worst thing I think I've ever read of hers. Her eulogy
> of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than an example
> of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
>
> I thought I was beyond being further appalled by this woman.
...I happen to share an apartment with a distant cousin of Ann
Coulter. He tells me that there is an annual reunion of those who are
of their branch of the Coulter line, and that some years ago Ann
decided to attend after several years of unacknowledged invitations by
the organisers. After half an hour of her attendance, she had so
strongly alienated each of her relatives that, starting with the
following year's reunion, not only was she banned from attending
again, but so would be anybody revealing to her the sites where the
subsequent years' reunions were to be held...
kdm
peace 'n oranges...
Scott Brady
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:17:19 GMT, "Jim Beaver"
>
> <jumble...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
> >Instead, I found the worst thing I think I've ever read of hers. Her eulogy
> >of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than an example
> >of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
>
Don't kid me. You would have hated the man's guts.
What you can't get over is that he was proud of his daughter and would
have proud of the column. Let his loved ones handle the tributes.
Scott Brady
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:57:36 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>
> >I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
> >otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
> >writings is un-American.
>
> Yep. Coulter is the voice of reasoned American moderatation. I don't
> think she even knows the definition of hyperbole.
No, she isn't! That's the point! She is a self-described polemicist
who rejects the concept of moderation. You're certainly not going to
undermine her by accusing her of hyperbole. She's elevated it to an
art form. That would be like calling her a patriot--which, in the
minds of her critics, is an even greater insult.
Loki
>I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
>otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
>writings is un-American.
Why do you feel that way? Are you of the opinion that someone has to
have a particular political agenda to be a true American?
And I would ask the same question of anyone who said the same thing
about Michael Moore.
Loki
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Scott Brady
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:57:36 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>
> >I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
> >otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
> >writings is un-American.
>
> Why do you feel that way? Are you of the opinion that someone has to
> have a particular political agenda to be a true American?
No, but one should occasionally side with the United States in a
dispute or embrace its founding principles. Ann Coulter does so
consistently, if not unfailingly, with an obsessive reliance on
research and facts.
>
> And I would ask the same question of anyone who said the same thing
> about Michael Moore.
By contrast, Michael Moore, whose greatest lament after 9/11 is that
the terrorists attacked a blue state,* consistently does the opposite:
Loki
<sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 16, 8:26 pm, Loki <cubby77...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:57:36 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>>
>> <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
>> >otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
>> >writings is un-American.
>>
>> Why do you feel that way? Are you of the opinion that someone has to
>> have a particular political agenda to be a true American?
>
>No, but one should occasionally side with the United States in a
>dispute or embrace its founding principles. Ann Coulter does so
>consistently, if not unfailingly, with an obsessive reliance on
>research and facts.
I disagree. Ann Coulter wraps herself in the flag, but there are other
opinions which are equally valid representing the opposite view. I am
trying to remember off the top of my head which of the Founding
Fathers (Thomas Payne I believe) it was who said that there is a
danger in confusing dissent with disloyalty.
Ann Coulter does not love America or take her side any more or any
less than Michael Moore, Al Franken, or any other liberal talking
head.
>> And I would ask the same question of anyone who said the same thing
>> about Michael Moore.
>
>By contrast, Michael Moore, whose greatest lament after 9/11 is that
>the terrorists attacked a blue state,* consistently does the opposite:
>
>*http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003807
The quote was:
"They (the 9/11 victims) did not deserve to die. If someone did this
to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people
who DID NOT VOTE for him. Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes'
destination of California--these were the places that voted AGAINST
Bush."
Your characterization of what he said would lead one to believe that
you didn't read the quote. He was questioning the motives of the
terrorists, not lamenting that they killed the wrong people.
Loki
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea
and really don't care. It's not that important. It's
not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
PyrateJohn
>
> No, but one should occasionally side with the United States in a
> dispute or embrace its founding principles. Ann Coulter does so
> consistently,
If Coulter had been born in Germany she would have been a good Nazi.
Had she been born in Italy at a certain period of time she would have
been a good Facist. Instead, she was born in the USA during a time
when right-wing and hate-radio was popular so she saw her opportunity
and the joined in with those idiots.
She's not exactly a critical thinker, nor is she a fan of fairness,
free speach, or the other guiding thoughts that we believe in in the
USA.
Jed
wrote:
I'd "do her" (for certain values of "do") if she agreed to wear a
CPA's green visor, a little black dress with a screen print of Ted
Nugent, an ostrich boa, and unlaced Doc Martens hobnails. Riding crop
optional.
[Excuse me, I need to go wash my brain out with chlorhexidrine.]
Jed
We'll make an honest woman of her yet. Don't you worry.
Jimmy Mac
"KingDaevid" <mac...@q.com> wrote in message news:b27b5bef-2a19-4a50-ba6e-
> ...I happen to share an apartment with a distant cousin of Ann
> Coulter. He tells me that there is an annual reunion of those who are
> of their branch of the Coulter line, and that some years ago Ann
> decided to attend after several years of unacknowledged invitations by
> the organisers. After half an hour of her attendance, she had so
> strongly alienated each of her relatives that, starting with the
> following year's reunion, not only was she banned from attending
> again, but so would be anybody revealing to her the sites where the
> subsequent years' reunions were to be held...
>
>
> kdm
> peace 'n oranges...
Wish I could have been there. In fact I may have been there. No wait that
was my family reunion several years back.
jm
peace 'n bongos
Jimmy Mac
"Terry del Fuego" <t_del...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:36:30 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
> <sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm sure that was your first thought. How shocked you must have been
>>to discover she offered no evidence that her father shared any of your
>>political views.
>
> writer claims to have cared about turned into an excuse to spew bile.
> It has, in this case, far less to do with the opinions that were
> expressed than their location and tone.
>
>>a lie.
>
> complete failure as a human being. Suck shit from a dead dog's
> asshole, you motherfucking worthless bag of rotting monkey cunts.
>
Terry, I think you've let Ann get under your skin. Maybe there's a 12 step
program or something somewhere.
Loki
While I agree with the last point (the first paragraph borders on the
kind of stereotyping hate speech that she is often, rightfully,
accused of), there is nothing un American about forming opinions void
of nuance or broad understanding (a description introduced to the
discussion in the post you are responding to)..
Al Sharpton does the same thing and I will defend his right to be an
idiot as much as I will defend hers. Neither is very bright, but
neither is un American.
Loki
"I would say the best moment of all was when I
caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake."
—George W. Bush, on his best moment in office,
interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag,
May 7, 2006
Scott Brady
> If Coulter had been born in Germany she would have been a good Nazi.
For example?
> Had she been born in Italy at a certain period of time she would have been a good Facist.
For example?
>Instead, she was born in the USA during a time when right-wing and hate-radio was popular
For example?
>so she saw her opportunity and the joined in with those idiots.
For example?
> She's not exactly a critical thinker
For example?
> nor is she a fan of fairness,
For example?
>free speach,
For example?
>or the other guiding thoughts that we believe in in the USA.
For example?
Scott Brady
> >*http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003807
>
> The quote was:
>
> "They (the 9/11 victims) did not deserve to die. If someone did this
> to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people
> who DID NOT VOTE for him. Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes'
> destination of California--these were the places that voted AGAINST
> Bush."
That is a stunning equivocation--predicating that the victims'
innocence could be based on their assumed politics--that Moore
apparently quickly saw fit to pull from his web site. Why even GO
there? If anything, their greater innocence made them even more
desirable targets. That's why they call it "terrorism ...!"
The highjackers could have safely assumed that those L.A.-bound
airliners were carrying their share of Hollywood liberals. I can
assure you that didn't factor into their decision-making process
nearly as much as the fact that the planes would have been carrying
full loads of fuel.
In the spirit of charity, I'm willing to say that our Islamist enemies
would just as soon kill Moore as they would any of his fellow
citizens. Including Bush.
Bill Schenley
> > > baby-killing as a kid, I asked Father about
> > > the old chestnut involving a poverty-stricken,
> > > unwed teenage girl who gets pregnant. (This
> > > was before they added the "impregnated by
> > > her own father" part.) Father just said, "I don't
> > > care. If it's a life, it's a life." I'm still waiting to
> > > hear an effective counterargument.
>
> > ... I thought, JFC ... Does this bimbo have no
> > shame.
>
> I don't know. Why don't you call her bluff? She
> gave you a huge opening--seems like it would be a
> good spot for you to shut her up with--oh, I don't
> know--an effective counterargument?
Counter argument to what? Whether or not her father is actually dead? It
was supposed to be an obituary, not an invitation to a Town Hall meeting.
> Unless you're making the point that quoting a parent's
> heartfelt words, which apparently had their
> much-desired effect, is out of place in an obituary.
Who knows if her father actually said that?
The obit was not an introduction to her father, as it should have been. It
was just re-hashing more Ann Coulter horseshit.
She'll get flamed for this ... *obit*, and when she does, she will screech
about how the "liberals" attacked her father after his death. And that will
be by design.
Watch, and see. Annie's got a new book in the works.
Scott Brady
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:57:36 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>
> <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I'm honored. That's the type of reasoned criticism usually reserved
> >for Coulter.
>
> >And, predictably, your clincher was the requisite pejorative reference
> >to female physiology.
>
> suspect that you'll never understand how you did.
Please make it for me. Mine was that you can't defend Coulter without
someone invoking the c-word. Every time. If you call that "sexist"
or "hate speech," it's because you're a conservative and therefore
incapable of original thought.
>
> >I've come to the conclusion--and I'm begging--anyone--to convince me
> >otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
> >writings is un-American.
>
> It would be impossible to convince you. It's clear from this post and
> the subsequent ones that your "mind" is made up and utterly
> inflexible. BTW, did you in fact mean "un-American" or
> "anti-American"?
Thanks. I should have said "anti-American."
> To the sane, who find the alleged right to the free
> expression of opinion a defining American feature/value, it's unclear
> how merely consistently disagreeing with someone could be either, but
> your further rantings may prove entertaining.
Not with someone. With someTHING, like the defense of freedom. I
think Coulter largely succeeds in that mission, but I'm willing to be
convinced otherwise. If you're man enough.
Whew! That was a particularly exhausting rant!
Scott Brady
> Neither is very bright, but neither is un American.
A demonstrably false statement, on both counts.
Loki
<sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 16, 9:30 pm, Loki <cubby77...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> >*http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110003807
>>
>> The quote was:
>>
>> "They (the 9/11 victims) did not deserve to die. If someone did this
>> to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people
>> who DID NOT VOTE for him. Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes'
>> destination of California--these were the places that voted AGAINST
>> Bush."
>
>That is a stunning equivocation--predicating that the victims'
>innocence could be based on their assumed politics--that Moore
>apparently quickly saw fit to pull from his web site. Why even GO
>there? If anything, their greater innocence made them even more
>desirable targets. That's why they call it "terrorism ...!"
Not sure what you may be smoking, but if you were a sport you would
share it. He said nothing, neither did he suggest that the victims
were somehow more or less innocent due to their potential political
bent. What he said was that the terrorists were not making a strike
against Bush, it was one against ALL AMERICANS.
Not sure what part of that you do not understand, or whether or not
you have any desire to understand it.
Loki
"I think it's very important for the American
President to mean what he says. That's why I
understand that the enemy could misread what I say.
That's why I try to be as clearly I can."
宥eorge W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004
Loki
Do tell... Prove it false.
Loki
"I'm the master of low expectations."
宥eorge W. Bush, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
john sumner
4ax.com:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:43:57 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
> <sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 16, 10:31 pm, Loki <cubby77...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Neither is very bright, but neither is un American.
>>
>>A demonstrably false statement, on both counts.
>
> Do tell... Prove it false.
>
> Loki
Ya know i think her father pulled out too soon, what a nasty bitch she is,
just wish she would just go away and never come back
Jim Beaver
"Scott Brady" <sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d5bf6f35-0655-4830...@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 16, 4:17 pm, "Jim Beaver" <jumble...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
>> "abby once again" <abbync20012...@yeehaw.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:478bb9c2$0$21205$8826...@alt.teranews.com...
>>
>> >http://anncoulter.com/
>>
>> > JOHN VINCENT COULTER
>> > January 9, 2008
>>
>> > The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y., hospital, at least as
>> > of
>> > May 5, 1926, who grew up to be my strapping father, passed away last
>> > Friday morning.
>>
>> I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had parents she
>> loved,"
>> and hoping to find something humanizing.
>
> I'm sure that was your first thought. How shocked you must have been
> to discover she offered no evidence that her father shared any of your
> political views.
>
>> eulogy
>> of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than an
>> example
>> of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
>
> a lie.
You get one chance to call me a liar. You've just had yours.
Plonk.
Scott Brady
> Loki <cubby77...@aol.com> wrote in news:mvluo3thqp7qa18vpkh9btnunk521c43kh@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:43:57 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
> > <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Jan 16, 10:31 pm, Loki <cubby77...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> Neither is very bright, but neither is un American.
>
> >>A demonstrably false statement, on both counts.
>
> > Do tell... Prove it false.
Coulter is a cum laude graduate of Cornell and earned a law degree
from Michigan, where she edited the Law Review. College dropout
Sharpton is a socialist and a bigot.
Scott Brady
> To a pussy, I guess it would be.
I can't top that one. Must be your acceptable, under-the-top approach.
Scott Brady
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:40:21 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>
> <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 16, 11:01 pm, Terry del Fuego <t_del_fu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Whoooosh. Thank you for making my point for me...though I strongly
> >> suspect that you'll never understand how you did.
>
> >Please make it for me.
>
>
> 1. Ann Coulter's over-the-top approach is acceptable because you agree
> with her politics.
>
> 2. Anyone who doesn't like Coulter's approach is really just whining
> about her politics.
>
> 3. Anyone who goes as over the top or moreso than A.C. is wrong...if,
> that is, you disagree with what you perceive as the politics of the
> person doing so.
>
> >Mine was that you can't defend Coulter without
> >someone invoking the c-word. Every time.
>
> deliberately lying and/or trolling: I didn't invoke the word against
> the performance artist in question, I invoked it in a clearly absurd
> context of maximum profanity against you.
I never made that distinction. It's simply a given that, when
discussing Ann Coulter, liberals will bare their hypocrisy by
resorting to language they would otherwise condemn. Because they're
pussies.
john sumner
> from Michigan, where she edited the Law Review. College dropout
> Sharpton is a socialist and a bigot.
She is still a bitch, and i consider her the paris hilton of the consertive
movement.
Scott Brady
> "Scott Brady" <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > Having read the column, I can only characterize your critique of it as
> > a lie.
>
> You get one chance to call me a liar. You've just had yours.
>
> Plonk.
I accept your concession.
Beaver, and others, are bright enough to have read the Coulter column
and characterize it accurately, but chose to do otherwise. That's
because they're liberals, and can't be trusted in such matters. Their
opinions trump the truth.
Scott Brady
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:10:49 -0600, "Jimmy Mac" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >Terry, I think you've let Ann get under your skin. Maybe there's a 12 step
> >program or something somewhere.
>
> want to see if he can figure it out himself.
What are you, the fucking Riddler? Make your point.
HK
>
> "abby once again" <abbync2...@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
>> http://anncoulter.com/
>>
>> JOHN VINCENT COULTER
>> January 9, 2008
>>
>> The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y., hospital, at least as
>> of May 5, 1926, who grew up to be my strapping father, passed away
>> last Friday morning.
>
> I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had parents she
> loved," and hoping to find something humanizing.
>
> eulogy of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than
> an example of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
>
>
> Jim Beaver
Coultergeist is about the lowest life form found on the planet.
HK
> On Jan 16, 7:34 pm, Terry del Fuego <t_del_fu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:36:30 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
>>
>> <sbrad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm sure that was your first thought. How shocked you must have been
>>> to discover she offered no evidence that her father shared any of your
>>> political views.
>> writer claims to have cared about turned into an excuse to spew bile.
>> It has, in this case, far less to do with the opinions that were
>> expressed than their location and tone.
>>
>>> a lie.
>> complete failure as a human being. Suck shit from a dead dog's
>> asshole, you motherfucking worthless bag of rotting monkey cunts.
>
> for Coulter.
>
> And, predictably, your clincher was the requisite pejorative reference
> to female physiology.
>
> otherwise--that anyone who consistently disagrees with Ann Coulter's
> disparaging her sexuality or physical characteristics is--well, at
> this point, just a theoretical entity. It's not yet been proven they
> exist.
So, you met Coulter in the men's room at the Minneapolis airport, and
the two of you are now bosom buddies?
I presume you are the one with the bosom.
trillium
> "abby once again" <abbync20012...@yeehaw.com> wrote in messagenews:478bb9c2$0$21205$8826...@alt.teranews.com...
>
> >http://anncoulter.com/
>
> > JOHN VINCENT COULTER
> > January 9, 2008
>
> > The longest baby ever born at the Albany, N.Y., hospital, at least as of
> > May 5, 1926, who grew up to be my strapping father, passed away last
> > Friday morning.
>
> I read this, initially thinking, "Oh, yeah, even she had parents she loved,"
> and hoping to find something humanizing.
>
> Instead, I found the worst thing I think I've ever read of hers. Her eulogy
> of her father reads less as a tribute to the man she loved than an example
> of "oh, wow, can I ever score some points with this!"
>
> I thought I was beyond being further appalled by this woman.
>
> Jim Beaver
If you think Coulter is just a mistake, you're deluding yourself. She
speaks how many of us believe the liberal bullies should be spoken to.
And in the process she corrects misconceptions which became sacred
cows of the same.
Scott Brady
> So, you met Coulter in the men's room at the Minneapolis airport, and
> the two of you are now bosom buddies?
>
> I presume you are the one with the bosom.
You're being awfully judgmental. How is what--or whom--I choose to do
in a public restroom any of your business?
R H Draney
I wouldn't tar Paris (who still has, I feel, some redeeming qualities) with that
brush, but I'm with you on the rest....r
--
What good is being an executive if you never get to execute anyone?
Scott Brady
> I wouldn't tar Paris (who still has, I feel, some redeeming qualities) with that
> brush, but I'm with you on the rest....r
I wouldn't tar her with YOUR brush.
PyrateJohn
>
> If you think Coulter is just a mistake, you're deluding yourself. She
> speaks how many of us believe
OK, so she's a mistake and she has plenty of company in this nation.
So what's the big surprise there?
R H Draney
It's official...my first *literal* LOL moment of 2008....r
Brian
wrote:
>I don't understand the allure of this woman. I absolutely don't. But,
>then, I'm Canadian. So many Americans seem to think that she's spot on.
>But, then, in the US "liberal" has become a dirty word.
>
>- nilita
I find myself agreeing with some of what she says but disagreeing with
her tactics and speech although they pale in comparison to much of the
vitriol against her or anyone who agrees with her. Unfortunately it
becomes difficult to have calm rational discussion.
I do find it interesting that "liberal" has become a word that
liberals run away from. They aren't liberals; they are "progressives."
Many of the liberal have failed and I guess those who supported them
don't want to be associated with the name. I can remember when
"conservative" had the same opprobrium attached to it but
conservatives just persisted in trying to make their points and
persuading people.
I don't think that the language or tactics used now particularly
persuade anyone who is undecided. Unfortunately some on the right do
it also.
John M.
wrote:
>On Jan 16, 10:31 pm, Loki <cubby77...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Neither is very bright, but neither is un American.
>
>A demonstrably false statement, on both counts.
You haven't seen "Idiocracy", have you?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
--
John M.
John M.
wrote:
>On Jan 16, 9:38 pm, PyrateJohn <PyrateJ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If Coulter had been born in Germany she would have been a good Nazi.
>
>For example?
>
>> Had she been born in Italy at a certain period of time she would have been a good Facist.
>
>For example?
>
>>Instead, she was born in the USA during a time when right-wing and hate-radio was popular
>
>For example?
>
>>so she saw her opportunity and the joined in with those idiots.
>
>For example?
>
>> She's not exactly a critical thinker
>
>For example?
>
>> nor is she a fan of fairness,
>
>For example?
>
>>free speach,
>
>For example?
>
>>or the other guiding thoughts that we believe in in the USA.
>
>For example?
For example: If she were hot she probably would have posed for Playboy by now,
had the offer arisen. Well, it depends on how much they would have paid her.
(FWIW, I think she's "okay" in that regard.)
--
John M.
Charlene
It might not be his business, but it might be the local cop's
business.
Depends how wide your stance is.
wd43
Loki
A: There is a world of difference between being educated and being
intelligent. If Ann Coulter is in fact intelligent, she hides it well.
B: While being a socialist and a bigot may be unpleasant character
traits, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, there is
nothing un American about either one.
Loki
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we."
宥eorge W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
Loki
I am critical of Ann Coulter, I am a liberal, and I have used and will
use no language in describing her that I would otherwise condemn. That
makes you a liar.
That you would refer to someone, or a group of people as "pussies" in
a post in which you are discussing uncivil language makes you a
hypocrite.
Loki
"I'm the decider, and I decide what is best.
And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as
the Secretary of Defense."
宥eorge W. Bush, Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006
Loki
Such language coming from someone who criticizes the language of other
posters. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Loki
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."
宥eorge W. Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown,
who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over
his job performance, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
Scott Brady
It would if I had. Now go look up the meaning of the word "irony."
Loki
The column is typically vile. She takes a moment which a rational and
decent person would take to remember fondly the good works of an
influential person who passed away and chooses instead to use it as
another excuse to spew more hate.
To whit:
>But he had more respect for
>genuine working men than anyone I've ever known. He was, in short, the
>molecular opposite of John Edwards.
and:
>Of course, toward the end, he probably didn't even remember he was a
>Catholic. But on the bright side, he didn't remember that Teddy Kennedy
>was a Catholic, either.
More?:
>By 1986 it was over; the mineworkers voted against the union and Phelps
>Dodge was saved. For any liberals still reading, this is what's known as
>a "happy ending."
And in closing:
>Now Daddy is with Joe McCarthy and Ronald Reagan. I hope they stop
>laughing about the Reds long enough to talk to God about smiting some
>liberals for me.
When Paul Wellstone was killed in a plane crash in 2002 there was a
memorial service that went on for over three hours. During that time
there were dozens of speeches made and as a Presidential and
Senatorial election was coming up (including a race for Wellstone's
seat) and since many of the speakers were high ranking members of the
Democratic party political comments were made. 2 in fact. Rick Kahn
urged the crowd to win the seat for Paul and Tom Harkin urged voters
to "stand up for Paul." Ann Coulter was among those who criticized the
entire service for those two relatively benign comments as making the
memorial into a political event.
She had an opportunity to pay tribute to her father and took that
opportunity to make the tribute into something far more political than
anything that occurred at Wellstone's service.
That makes her, among other things, a hypocrite.
Loki
"We've got hundreds of sites to exploit, looking
for the chemical and biological weapons that we
know Saddam Hussein had prior to our entrance into Iraq."
宥eorge W. Bush, Santa Clara, Calif., May 2, 2003
Phil McCoy
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:36:30 -0800 (PST), Scott Brady
> <sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that was your first thought. How shocked you must have been
>> to discover she offered no evidence that her father shared any of your
>> political views.
>
> Many sane people would be shocked to find an obituary of someone the
> writer claims to have cared about turned into an excuse to spew bile.
> It has, in this case, far less to do with the opinions that were
> expressed than their location and tone.
>
>> a lie.
>
> complete failure as a human being. Suck shit from a dead dog's
> asshole, you motherfucking worthless bag of rotting monkey cunts.
>
Loki
I know what irony is. Are you familiar with hypocrisy?
Loki
"I think we are welcomed. But it was not a
peaceful welcome."
—George W. Bush, defending Vice President
Dick Cheney's pre-war assertion that the United
States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators,
NBC Nightly News interview, Dec. 12, 2005
Loki
<t_del...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:37:38 -0800, Loki <cubby...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>That you would refer to someone, or a group of people as "pussies" in
>>a post in which you are discussing uncivil language makes you a
>>hypocrite.
>
>I started it. In the context of the thread, Scottypoo's use was
>completely reasonable.
In that case, I offer an apology to Scott. I had not noticed your
message Terry.
Loki
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in
their country and trying to destabilize their country."
—George W. Bush, interview with Al Arabiya
Television, May 5, 2004
Jim Beaver
"Brian" <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:92qvo3hoepa6klpgu...@4ax.com...
>
> I do find it interesting that "liberal" has become a word that
> liberals run away from. They aren't liberals; they are "progressives."
> Many of the liberal have failed and I guess those who supported them
> don't want to be associated with the name.
I've got two bumper stickers on my car: "Vietnam Veteran" and "Liberal". I
ain't afraid of it. (Though I did get my car "keyed" while parked in a
neighborhood in which liberalism was very likely a minority viewpoint.)
I find much of my liberalism to be contained in the (current!) Wikipedia
definition:
"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of
opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different
policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of
principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations
on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a
market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government. All
liberals - as well as some adherents of other political ideologies - support
some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open
and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law."
Jim Beaver
La N
"Jim Beaver" <jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message
news:w8Ujj.33695$4V6....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
I like this definition of "liberal", as it relates to the response I myself
was going to give to "Brian" in response to his post.
Okay, here's the deal. When you have someone like Ann Coulter barking out
her philosophy, what the general audience hears basically is what she is
"anti-" or "against", what/who she "hates". And, to be fair and equal, the
moderates among the electorate hear her left alar counterpart, Michael
Moore, using the same kind of tactics on those and that which he
loathes.
Constantly being *against* something sets up all kinds of force/counterforce
sh*t that only serves to - dare I say it - ignite fear and loathing and ill
will that is totally counterproductive for a healthy community or country.
We need more people who state more about what they are *for* and less about
what they are against. And I don't mean being *for* killing liberals.
- nilita, who has on more than one occasion been called a "fuzzy-headed
liberal" by ultra-conservative Americans.
orpheus
> "Jim Beaver" <jumble...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message
>
> news:w8Ujj.33695$4V6....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Brian" <drmorrisnos...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
What a great string!
Anagram her name . . .
Ann Coulter=unclean rot
The Kentucky Wizard
after consultations with my Joint Chiefs of Staff, being briefed by members
of my Cabinet and many telephone conversations with various World Leaders, I
have come to the following conclusions:
> http://anncoulter.com/
>
> JOHN VINCENT COULTER
> January 9, 2008
>
> Now Daddy is with Joe McCarthy and Ronald Reagan.
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
--
Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience.
© The Wiz ®
«¤»¥«¤»¥«¤»
R H Draney
>
>
>Anagram her name . . .
>
I prefer the anagram that starts with "loaner"....r
Bob Feigel
magnanimously proffered:
>orpheus filted:
>>
>>
>>Anagram her name . . .
>>
>>Ann Coulter=3Dunclean rot
>
>I prefer the anagram that starts with "loaner"....r
Naughty naughty ...
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Stacia
>Having read the column, I can only characterize your critique of it as
>a lie.
You're kidding. Jim was beyond charitable in his description of her
eulogy. If you mean he was lying because he didn't quite capture the
depth of Coulter's crassness, then I agree with you. Otherwise, I suspect
you've got some partisan drool on your chin to clean up.
Stacia
Stacia
>I do find it interesting that "liberal" has become a word that
>liberals run away from. They aren't liberals; they are "progressives."
You don't go to any liberal forums or know any actual, then. Liberals
aren't actually running away from the term, and there's a difference in
liberal and progressive politics. However, it serves many conservatives'
purpose to make you think that no one wants to be a liberal (just like the
claim that "no woman wants to be a feminist anymore"). Nothing like the
ol' "even they hate themselves!" propaganda. Shame you fell for it.
Stacia
Stacia
>"anti-" or "against", what/who she "hates". And, to be fair and equal, the
>moderates among the electorate hear her left alar counterpart, Michael
>Moore, using the same kind of tactics on those and that which he
>loathes.
I'd really like some examples of that. I've never heard anything from
Michael Moore that approaches what Coulter has said; I just spent a half
hour foolishly trying to find an example, because I assumed you were
speaking in good faith, but now I wonder. Moore has never said things
equivalent to any of this:
"I'm getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties"
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to
Christianity."
"That is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews."
"It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a
fact."
Do you really think Michael Moore calling Republicans "pricks" stacks up
to that?
You're trying too hard to find a counterpoint to Ann Coulter when there
is none. There are at least a dozen highly vocal conservative mouthpieces
who get a lot of media attention, yet you will find no direct liberal
counterpoint to any of them. Who does the left have, Al Gore, Stephen
Colbert, Jon Stewart, Michael Moore? None of them, in any way, match
Coulter in vitriol or hate-mongering. No, not even Moore.
Stacia
La N
"Stacia" <sta...@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:fmq2kh$f1h$1...@news.xmission.com...
I don't think anybody is as bad as Coulter for vitriol. However, Moore is
certainly perceived to be that way by many. I have been a great fan of
Michael Moore and, in fact, am on his mailing list. However, I've seen him
on TV at times when I've wanted to say STFU when he got incredibly rude to
an interviewer.
There is no Democrat, that I know of, who would want his name attached to
their candidacy for various reasons. And, here's something. I saw him at
the DNC Convention a couple of years ago - well, I saw him on TV - at which
time he told an interviewer that if a Democratic candidate becomes
President, he/she should not rest easy inasmuch as he would have no trouble
putting a camera in his/her face if he - Moore - isn't happy with the way
the Democrat is taking the country.
Listen, I'm harder on the people I "like", expecting them to be/act better
than the people I dislike. I like Gore, really like Colbert and Stewart.
They're damned funny and get their point across without offending half of
America.
Moore and Coulter are polarizing figures. Maybe "we" need people like them.
Anyway, I've worked behind the scenes in politics and p.r. I'm a bit
jaded, understand a bit about what works and doesn't work when one tries to
win hearts and mind and votes.
Nevertheless, take what I say with a grain of salt. It's just my opinion.
- nilita
john sumner
news:fmo8h...@drn.newsguy.com:
> I wouldn't tar Paris (who still has, I feel, some redeeming qualities)
> with that brush, but I'm with you on the rest....r
Thanks i stole that from michale savage who is even a bigger loon
then miss coulter
Jimmy Mac
"john sumner" <jps334...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A28775E070...@news.albasani.net...
> Scott Brady <sbra...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>
>> Coulter is a cum laude graduate of Cornell and earned a law degree
>> from Michigan, where she edited the Law Review. College dropout
>> Sharpton is a socialist and a bigot.
>
> consertive
> movement.
Whatever. What Ann wants to do is poke at the bear and rattle his cage
while she's on her way to the bank.
But somebody has to get in the cage and be the bear. Fortunately for Ann
plenty of people seem eager to step up and do that for her.
john sumner
ddOfMA3anZ2d...@comcast.com:
>
> Whatever. What Ann wants to do is poke at the bear and rattle his cage
> while she's on her way to the bank.
> But somebody has to get in the cage and be the bear. Fortunately for Ann
> plenty of people seem eager to step up and do that for her.
I am just wating for the day when she says something so outragous that she
really gets slammed for it.
Jimmy Mac
Well no. I believe we've already pegged the meter on outrageousness and
slamming. We've hit the silly/dangerous point - time to back it down some.
Scott Brady
> Scott Brady <sbrad...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >Having read the column, I can only characterize your critique of it as
> >a lie.
>
> You're kidding. Jim was beyond charitable in his description of her
> eulogy. If you mean he was lying because he didn't quite capture the
> depth of Coulter's crassness, then I agree with you.
Maybe Jim was too grief-stricken.
I can't wait to see what she writes when Kennedy or Edwards dies.
(Just kidding. I don't care what she writes.)
By the way, at least one poster in this thread has seen fit to gloat
over Mr. Coulter's death. No doubt you'll take them to task.
Scott Brady
> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> writes:
> You're trying too hard to find a counterpoint to Ann Coulter when there
> is none. There are at least a dozen highly vocal conservative mouthpieces
> who get a lot of media attention, yet you will find no direct liberal
> counterpoint to any of them. Who does the left have, Al Gore, Stephen
> Colbert, Jon Stewart, Michael Moore? None of them, in any way, match
> Coulter in vitriol or hate-mongering. No, not even Moore.
I have to ask a basic question: What's wrong with hate? Aren't some
things worth hating?
Funny no one's mentioned Bill Maher. But I think the left is even
starting to realize that idiot plain hates humanity.
La N
"Terry del Fuego" <t_del...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mua1p3tfkruuvrdc8...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:33:56 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>There is no Democrat, that I know of, who would want his name attached to
>>their candidacy for various reasons. And, here's something. I saw him at
>>the DNC Convention a couple of years ago - well, I saw him on TV - at
>>which
>>time he told an interviewer that if a Democratic candidate becomes
>>President, he/she should not rest easy inasmuch as he would have no
>>trouble
>>putting a camera in his/her face if he - Moore - isn't happy with the way
>>the Democrat is taking the country.
>
> above...ahem...bending the truth a bit if it makes his point. But
> having said that, the above makes perfect sense to me. Why *should*
> the most powerful person in the world get a free pass?
>
Well, I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. I'm just saying that the
Dems (or liberals) should necessarily think he wouldn't turn on them. As a
matter of fact, as I said, I'm on his email list. And he isn't too kind to
Hillary. He used to be her great supporter.
- nilita
Bill Schenley
> hate? Aren't some things worth hating?
I agree with that ... as long as the person is honest about it. Ann Coulter
is seldom honest.
> Funny no one's mentioned Bill Maher. But I think the
> left is even starting to realize that idiot plain hates
> humanity.
He's a comedian, not an editorialist. Although in Maher's case, he's honest
in his stupidity.
On the other hand, the two of them do have something in common - sort'a ...
One is just a comedian who thinks he's a journalist. The other thinks she
is a journalist and she's nothing more than a comedian. A soulless,
black-hearted comedian.
john sumner
>
>>
>
> Well no. I believe we've already pegged the meter on outrageousness
> and slamming. We've hit the silly/dangerous point - time to back it
> down some.
I dont think we have slammed mr coulter enough
or at least i have not.
Jimmy Mac
For you to want to continue slamming Mr. Coulter for no reason is like
taking the beating of a dead horse to the next level. What's the matter
with you?
R H Draney
>
>> Funny no one's mentioned Bill Maher. But I think the
>> left is even starting to realize that idiot plain hates
>> humanity.
>
>He's a comedian, not an editorialist. Although in Maher's case, he's honest
>in his stupidity.
>
>On the other hand, the two of them do have something in common - sort'a ...
>
>One is just a comedian who thinks he's a journalist. The other thinks she
>is a journalist and she's nothing more than a comedian. A soulless,
>black-hearted comedian.
Who doesn't understand why people are laughing at her....
I disagree with the stated dichotomy...Maher *was* a comedian, as was
Franken...now they're political figures who used to be a comedian...would you
call President Truman "just a haberdasher" or President Reagan "just a cowboy
actor"?...
(On second thought, forget I mentioned that last one)....r
Brian
<jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
>I've got two bumper stickers on my car: "Vietnam Veteran" and "Liberal". I
>ain't afraid of it. (Though I did get my car "keyed" while parked in a
>neighborhood in which liberalism was very likely a minority viewpoint.)
I've gotten keyed also and the only reason I can think of for it was
the Bush sticker.
>
>I find much of my liberalism to be contained in the (current!) Wikipedia
>definition:
>
>"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of
>opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different
>policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of
>principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations
>on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a
>market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government. All
>liberals - as well as some adherents of other political ideologies - support
>some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open
>and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law."
>
>Jim Beaver
If that is the definition of liberal, then many liberals are not
following those tenets. For example, at many universities,
conservatives are not booked to speak and if they are, they are
shouted down.
And if Hillary is a liberal, she should open her records.
Brian
wrote:
>I like this definition of "liberal", as it relates to the response I myself
>was going to give to "Brian" in response to his post.
>
>Okay, here's the deal. When you have someone like Ann Coulter barking out
>her philosophy, what the general audience hears basically is what she is
>"anti-" or "against", what/who she "hates". And, to be fair and equal, the
>moderates among the electorate hear her left alar counterpart, Michael
>Moore, using the same kind of tactics on those and that which he
>loathes.
>
>Constantly being *against* something sets up all kinds of force/counterforce
>sh*t that only serves to - dare I say it - ignite fear and loathing and ill
>will that is totally counterproductive for a healthy community or country.
>
>We need more people who state more about what they are *for* and less about
>what they are against. And I don't mean being *for* killing liberals.
Or, I presume, killing conservatives either.
Brian
wrote:
>> You're trying too hard to find a counterpoint to Ann Coulter when there
>> is none. There are at least a dozen highly vocal conservative mouthpieces
>> who get a lot of media attention, yet you will find no direct liberal
>> counterpoint to any of them. Who does the left have, Al Gore, Stephen
>> Colbert, Jon Stewart, Michael Moore? None of them, in any way, match
>> Coulter in vitriol or hate-mongering. No, not even Moore.
You must not be aware of the Hollywood elite? How about
Julia Roberts comments about Republicans being between "reptile" and
"repugnant"?
Brian
wrote:
>Well, I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. I'm just saying that the
>Dems (or liberals) should necessarily think he wouldn't turn on them. As a
>matter of fact, as I said, I'm on his email list. And he isn't too kind to
>Hillary. He used to be her great supporter.
>
>- nilita
I found it interesting what happened when people tried to make a
documentary about him. And they liked him at least at the beginning.
Brian
wrote:
> You don't go to any liberal forums or know any actual, then. Liberals
>aren't actually running away from the term, and there's a difference in
>liberal and progressive politics. However, it serves many conservatives'
>purpose to make you think that no one wants to be a liberal (just like the
>claim that "no woman wants to be a feminist anymore"). Nothing like the
>ol' "even they hate themselves!" propaganda. Shame you fell for it.
>
>Stacia
I hear many liberals, especially politicians, who won't use liberal
and use progressive.
Where did I say that they hate themselves? I said that they are
running from failed liberal policies which is different.
Loki
wrote:
Actually, there is only one documentary I know of about Michael Moore
and the people who made it did not like him at the beginning, during
the making of, or at the completion.
The making of the movie only confirmed their preconceived conclusions.
Loki
Finally playing chess as well as Bobby Fischer
Loki
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:33:56 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>> You're trying too hard to find a counterpoint to Ann Coulter when there
>>> is none. There are at least a dozen highly vocal conservative mouthpieces
>>> who get a lot of media attention, yet you will find no direct liberal
>>> counterpoint to any of them. Who does the left have, Al Gore, Stephen
>>> Colbert, Jon Stewart, Michael Moore? None of them, in any way, match
>>> Coulter in vitriol or hate-mongering. No, not even Moore.
>
>You must not be aware of the Hollywood elite? How about
>Julia Roberts comments about Republicans being between "reptile" and
>"repugnant"?
You think that a flip comment is comparable to a weekly column?
Loki
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in
the flag and carrying a cross."
-Sinclair Lewis
Loki
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:27:40 GMT, "Jim Beaver"
><jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
>
>
>>I've got two bumper stickers on my car: "Vietnam Veteran" and "Liberal". I
>>ain't afraid of it. (Though I did get my car "keyed" while parked in a
>>neighborhood in which liberalism was very likely a minority viewpoint.)
>
>I've gotten keyed also and the only reason I can think of for it was
>the Bush sticker.
So there are assholes on all sides of the spectrum. Not exactly a
newsflash.
>>I find much of my liberalism to be contained in the (current!) Wikipedia
>>definition:
>>
>>"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of
>>opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different
>>policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of
>>principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations
>>on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a
>>market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government. All
>>liberals - as well as some adherents of other political ideologies - support
>>some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open
>>and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law."
>>
>>Jim Beaver
>
>If that is the definition of liberal, then many liberals are not
>following those tenets. For example, at many universities,
>conservatives are not booked to speak and if they are, they are
>shouted down.
As was said earlier, there are assholes across the board. And kids are
more likely to be assholes than adults. Again, not exactly 6:00 news
stuff.
>And if Hillary is a liberal, she should open her records.
Why?
Loki
"Rudy Giuliani has been married more times
than Mitt Romney's been hunting."
- James Carville
Jim Beaver
"Brian" <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Specific examples would be nice, as well as specific examples of the reverse
NOT happening. When was the last time Ted Kennedy or Barney Frank got
invited to Bob Jones University or the like? And you know what? I bet
there are plenty of examples of liberals being invited to conservative
universities and other fora and vice versa. And I've never heard of an
example of anyone being shouted down at a university speaking engagement.
Liberal or conservative.
Jim Beaver
Jim Beaver
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:33:56 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> You're trying too hard to find a counterpoint to Ann Coulter when there
>>> is none. There are at least a dozen highly vocal conservative
>>> mouthpieces
>>> who get a lot of media attention, yet you will find no direct liberal
>>> counterpoint to any of them. Who does the left have, Al Gore, Stephen
>>> Colbert, Jon Stewart, Michael Moore? None of them, in any way, match
>>> Coulter in vitriol or hate-mongering. No, not even Moore.
>
> You must not be aware of the Hollywood elite? How about
> Julia Roberts comments about Republicans being between "reptile" and
> "repugnant"?
Hell, Lincoln said worse than that about them and he WAS a Republican.