Michael Rollo Hoare, (1944-2001)
Michael Rhodes
partner in the family bank, C. Hoare & Co., and a member of the Stock
Exchange, 1977-81.
He was born 8 March, 1944, son of Rollo Hoare, (d. 1983), and the
former Elizabeth Charrington, and was educated at Eton & New College,
Oxford. Married firstly, 1965, (divorced 1978), Penelope, daughter of
Sir Charles Mander, 3rd Baronet; (two daughters, Venetia, (b. 1965),
wife of Hamish Leng; and Fiona (b.1969); married secondly, 1981,
Caroline Jane Abele; one son, Rollo, (b. 1987), and one daughter,
Isabella, (b. 1985). The
funeral takes place at Dogmersfield, 12 noon, December 4.
...Michael Rhodes.
Louis Epstein
: Michael Rollo Hoare, who died 25 November, 2001, aged 57, was managing
: partner in the family bank, C. Hoare & Co., and a member of the Stock
: Exchange, 1977-81.
I note with interest that he does not seem to have been in
remainder to either of the 18th-century Hoare baronetcies.
Could he have stemmed from the no-longer-in-Burke's branch
of the Green's Norton Hoares that produced Viscount Templewood?
These Hoares might have a record for most distant relatives
working in a common-ancestor-founded family business!
: He was born 8 March, 1944, son of Rollo Hoare, (d. 1983), and the
: former Elizabeth Charrington, and was educated at Eton & New College,
: Oxford. Married firstly, 1965, (divorced 1978), Penelope, daughter of
: Sir Charles Mander, 3rd Baronet; (two daughters, Venetia, (b. 1965),
: wife of Hamish Leng; and Fiona (b.1969); married secondly, 1981,
: Caroline Jane Abele; one son, Rollo, (b. 1987), and one daughter,
: Isabella, (b. 1985). The
: funeral takes place at Dogmersfield, 12 noon, December 4.
-=-=-
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Michael Rhodes
(..Snip)
> I note with interest that he does not seem to have been in
> remainder to either of the 18th-century Hoare baronetcies.
The baronetcies are cadets of his family.
> Could he have stemmed from the no-longer-in-Burke's branch
> of the Green's Norton Hoares that produced Viscount Templewood?
He was a member of the family of Hoare of Stourton. His paternal
grandfather, Henry Hoare, (1866-1956) married Lady Geraldine Hervey,
(d. 1955), sister of the 4th Marquess of Bristol.
>
> These Hoares might have a record for most distant relatives
> working in a common-ancestor-founded family business!
Michael's uncle, Henry Peregrine Rennie Hoare (who m. Lady Beatrix
Cadogan) was also managing partner of C. Hoare, and his cousin, Henry
Cadogan Hoare, is, or was, managing partner too.
...Michael Rhodes.
Louis Epstein
: Louis Epstein <lep...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote in message news:<u0g3jsm...@corp.supernews.com>...
: (..Snip)
:> I note with interest that he does not seem to have been in
:> remainder to either of the 18th-century Hoare baronetcies.
: The baronetcies are cadets of his family.
:> Could he have stemmed from the no-longer-in-Burke's branch
:> of the Green's Norton Hoares that produced Viscount Templewood?
: He was a member of the family of Hoare of Stourton. His paternal
: grandfather, Henry Hoare, (1866-1956) married Lady Geraldine Hervey,
: (d. 1955), sister of the 4th Marquess of Bristol.
A family found in my 1939 Burke's LG as "Hoare of Ellisfield".
:> These Hoares might have a record for most distant relatives
:> working in a common-ancestor-founded family business!
: Michael's uncle, Henry Peregrine Rennie Hoare (who m. Lady Beatrix
: Cadogan) was also managing partner of C. Hoare, and his cousin, Henry
: Cadogan Hoare, is, or was, managing partner too.
My most recent WHO'S WHO (1994) says he(born 1931) was Chairman and
Chief Executive from 1988.No idea if he remains in that position,
has been succeeded by a family member,or has been succeeded by someone
else.
According to Burke's,the Hoares of Ellisfield descend from Richard Hoare
(b. 1673),eldest son of Sir Richard Hoare,Lord Mayor of London(1648-1718).
This Lord Mayor's second son Henry's second son was another Sir Richard
(1709-1754),who also served as Lord Mayor,and was father of Sir Richard
Hoare,1st Baronet,of Barn Elms,created in 1786.
So the Hoares of THAT baronetcy are apparently cadets of the deceased's
family.
However,DESPITE common ties to the bank,I have yet to find a common
patrilineal ancestor of these and the other Hoare baronets!
The elder Sir Richard Lord Mayor of London (said by Burke's LG,not
Burke's Peerage,to be "founder of Hoare's Bank 1673") was the only son
of Henry Hoare of St. Botolph,Aldersgate.He was a son of Henry Hoare
of Walton,Buckinghamshire(d. 1655),elder son of Henry Hore or Hoare,
5th son of William Hore of Risford,Devon,who Burke's LG calls the
common ancestor of the Hoares.
But Burke's Peerage recounts of the Hoare Baronets of Annabella
(created 1784) that the first,Sir Joseph(1707-1801),was the third son(his
elder brothers left no issue) of Edward Hoare(d. 1765),Sheriff,Mayor,
and MP from Cork,eldest son of Edward Hoare of Dunkettle and Factory Hill
(d. 1709),also Sheriff and Mayor of Cork.That Edward Hoare was the elder
son(and the patrilineal ancestor of Lord Templewood the younger son)
of Edward Hoare of Togher Castle(died 1690).
Edward Hoare of Togher Castle was son of Edmund Hoare of Green's Norton,
fifth son of John Hoare of Green's Norton(died 1613),whose fourth son
James was the father of another James Hoare,who Burke's Peerage,unlike
Burke's LG,says was the founder of Hoare's Bank.
John who died in 1613 and his elder brother James,also of Green's Norton
and who left issue at his death in 1629,were sons of Thomas Hore of
Green's Norton(died 1573),one of the sons of a Thomas Hore of Green's
Norton,Northamptonshire,who died in 1526.
A link between the Hores of Risford in Devon and of Green's Norton in
Northants is not provided...do you have one?
Guy Stair Sainty
All of which below unfortunatel serves to demonstrate the unreliability
of genealogies given in the various editions of Burke's Peerages and
Landed Gentries.
Guy Stair Sainty
www.chivalricorders.org
Michael Rhodes
> Michael Rhodes <michaellawr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> : Louis Epstein <lep...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote in message news:<u0g3jsm...@corp.supernews.com>...
>
> : (..Snip)
>
> :> I note with interest that he does not seem to have been in
> :> remainder to either of the 18th-century Hoare baronetcies.
>
> : The baronetcies are cadets of his family.
>
> :> Could he have stemmed from the no-longer-in-Burke's branch
> :> of the Green's Norton Hoares that produced Viscount Templewood?
>
Viscount Templewood and the Hoare Baronets of Annabella share a common
ancestor in Maj Edward Hoare (d. 1690). Templewood's family were
bankers, but not of Hoare's Bank. His paternal grandfather married a
Barclay, and his great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather both
married into the Gurney family.
> : He was a member of the family of Hoare of Stourton. His paternal
> : grandfather, Henry Hoare, (1866-1956) married Lady Geraldine Hervey,
> : (d. 1955), sister of the 4th Marquess of Bristol.
>
> A family found in my 1939 Burke's LG as "Hoare of Ellisfield".
>
Michael Hoare is a direct descendant of Sir Richard Hoare, Kt, founder
of Hoare's Bank, and is connected to the Hoare family of Stourhead,
ancestors of the Hoare family of Ellisfield.
Sir Richard Hoare, Kt (1648-1718)---->Richard (b.1673)---->William,
(d.1753)m. Martha Cornelison, maternal granddaughter of a Hoare of
Stourhead---->Henry (1750-1828)---->William, (1776-1819_---->Henry
(1807-66) m Lady Mary Marsham---->Henry (1838-98)---->Henry
(1866-1956) m Lady Geraldine Hervey (d. 1955)---->Rollo
(1903-83)---->Michael Rollo Hoare, (1944-2001)
> :> These Hoares might have a record for most distant relatives
> :> working in a common-ancestor-founded family business!
>
> : Michael's uncle, Henry Peregrine Rennie Hoare (who m. Lady Beatrix
> : Cadogan) was also managing partner of C. Hoare, and his cousin, Henry
> : Cadogan Hoare, is, or was, managing partner too.
>
> My most recent WHO'S WHO (1994) says he(born 1931) was Chairman and
> Chief Executive from 1988.No idea if he remains in that position,
> has been succeeded by a family member,or has been succeeded by someone
> else.
>
> According to Burke's,the Hoares of Ellisfield descend from Richard Hoare
> (b. 1673),eldest son of Sir Richard Hoare,Lord Mayor of London(1648-1718).
> This Lord Mayor's second son Henry's second son was another Sir Richard
> (1709-1754),who also served as Lord Mayor,and was father of Sir Richard
> Hoare,1st Baronet,of Barn Elms,created in 1786.
>
> So the Hoares of THAT baronetcy are apparently cadets of the deceased's
> family.
Extinct Baronetcy of Hoare of Fleet Street is also a scion of Michael
Hoare's family.
Louis Epstein
: Louis Epstein <lep...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote in message news:<u0nuo23...@corp.supernews.com>...
:> Michael Rhodes <michaellawr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
:> : Louis Epstein <lep...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote in message news:<u0g3jsm...@corp.supernews.com>...
:>
:> : (..Snip)
:>
:> :> I note with interest that he does not seem to have been in
:> :> remainder to either of the 18th-century Hoare baronetcies.
:>
:> : The baronetcies are cadets of his family.
:>
:> :> Could he have stemmed from the no-longer-in-Burke's branch
:> :> of the Green's Norton Hoares that produced Viscount Templewood?
:>
: Viscount Templewood and the Hoare Baronets of Annabella share a common
: ancestor in Maj Edward Hoare (d. 1690). Templewood's family were
: bankers, but not of Hoare's Bank. His paternal grandfather married a
: Barclay, and his great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather both
: married into the Gurney family.
I note below the Burke's Peerage assertion that a Green's Norton Hoare
cousin of Major Edward Hoare founded Hoare's Bank,rather than the
Lord Mayor.
:> : He was a member of the family of Hoare of Stourton. His paternal
:> : grandfather, Henry Hoare, (1866-1956) married Lady Geraldine Hervey,
:> : (d. 1955), sister of the 4th Marquess of Bristol.
:>
:> A family found in my 1939 Burke's LG as "Hoare of Ellisfield".
:>
: Michael Hoare is a direct descendant of Sir Richard Hoare, Kt, founder
: of Hoare's Bank, and is connected to the Hoare family of Stourhead,
: ancestors of the Hoare family of Ellisfield.
: Sir Richard Hoare, Kt (1648-1718)---->Richard (b.1673)---->William,
: (d.1753)m. Martha Cornelison, maternal granddaughter of a Hoare of
: Stourhead---->Henry (1750-1828)---->William, (1776-1819_---->Henry
: (1807-66) m Lady Mary Marsham---->Henry (1838-98)---->Henry
: (1866-1956) m Lady Geraldine Hervey (d. 1955)---->Rollo
: (1903-83)---->Michael Rollo Hoare, (1944-2001)
This(apart from the now-deceased who had yet to be born) is the
line in the 1939 Burke's LG.
:> :> These Hoares might have a record for most distant relatives
:> :> working in a common-ancestor-founded family business!
:>
:> : Michael's uncle, Henry Peregrine Rennie Hoare (who m. Lady Beatrix
:> : Cadogan) was also managing partner of C. Hoare, and his cousin, Henry
:> : Cadogan Hoare, is, or was, managing partner too.
:>
:> My most recent WHO'S WHO (1994) says he(born 1931) was Chairman and
:> Chief Executive from 1988.No idea if he remains in that position,
:> has been succeeded by a family member,or has been succeeded by someone
:> else.
:>
:> According to Burke's,the Hoares of Ellisfield descend from Richard Hoare
:> (b. 1673),eldest son of Sir Richard Hoare,Lord Mayor of London(1648-1718).
:> This Lord Mayor's second son Henry's second son was another Sir Richard
:> (1709-1754),who also served as Lord Mayor,and was father of Sir Richard
:> Hoare,1st Baronet,of Barn Elms,created in 1786.
:>
:> So the Hoares of THAT baronetcy are apparently cadets of the deceased's
:> family.
: Extinct Baronetcy of Hoare of Fleet Street is also a scion of Michael
: Hoare's family.
How about the Hoare baronets of Sidestrand referred to in the LG?
:>
:> However,DESPITE common ties to the bank,I have yet to find a common
:> patrilineal ancestor of these and the other Hoare baronets!
:> The elder Sir Richard Lord Mayor of London (said by Burke's LG,not
:> Burke's Peerage,to be "founder of Hoare's Bank 1673") was the only son
:> of Henry Hoare of St. Botolph,Aldersgate.He was a son of Henry Hoare
:> of Walton,Buckinghamshire(d. 1655),elder son of Henry Hore or Hoare,
:> 5th son of William Hore of Risford,Devon,who Burke's LG calls the
:> common ancestor of the Hoares.
:>
:> But Burke's Peerage recounts of the Hoare Baronets of Annabella
:> (created 1784) that the first,Sir Joseph(1707-1801),was the third son(his
:> elder brothers left no issue) of Edward Hoare(d. 1765),Sheriff,Mayor,
:> and MP from Cork,eldest son of Edward Hoare of Dunkettle and Factory Hill
:> (d. 1709),also Sheriff and Mayor of Cork.That Edward Hoare was the elder
:> son(and the patrilineal ancestor of Lord Templewood the younger son)
:> of Edward Hoare of Togher Castle(died 1690).
:>
:> Edward Hoare of Togher Castle was son of Edmund Hoare of Green's Norton,
:> fifth son of John Hoare of Green's Norton(died 1613),whose fourth son
:> James was the father of another James Hoare,who Burke's Peerage,unlike
:> Burke's LG,says was the founder of Hoare's Bank.
:>
:> John who died in 1613 and his elder brother James,also of Green's Norton
:> and who left issue at his death in 1629,were sons of Thomas Hore of
:> Green's Norton(died 1573),one of the sons of a Thomas Hore of Green's
:> Norton,Northamptonshire,who died in 1526.
:>
:> A link between the Hores of Risford in Devon and of Green's Norton in
:> Northants is not provided...do you have one?
Are you aware of such a link?
:> -=-=-
Michael Rhodes
The Daily Telegraph obituary says he was divorced from his second wife
in 1994, and that he married thirdly, Olivia Cox-Fill, earlier this
year.
>
> ...Michael Rhodes.
Michael Rhodes
Samuel Hoare, of Sidestrand Hall, Norfolk, (1841-1915), was created a
Baronet, 7 August, 1899, of Sidestrand. His elder son, Samuel John
Gurney Hoare, (b.1880), succeeded as 2nd Baronet and, in 1944, was
created a peer as Viscount Templewood. The peerage and baronetcy
became extinct with the death of Lord Templewood in May, 1959.
Michael Rhodes
female partner in Hoare's Bank.