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MadCow57

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Jun 13, 2001, 8:53:08 PM6/13/01
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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) - A judge refused to release Dale Earnhardt's autopsy
photos today, agreeing with the NASCAR great's widow that making the pictures
public would cause the family pain. "In this particular case, the release
constitutes a serious invasion of the highest degree. There is no question it's
harmful, it's unspeakable,'' said Circuit Judge Joseph Will.
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It certainly is. <puke>

hkr...@capuantispam.net

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Jun 13, 2001, 9:50:23 PM6/13/01
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I agree. It's no one's business outside of the immediate family.


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to
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RChamp7927

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Jun 13, 2001, 10:23:35 PM6/13/01
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I agree as well, M. C. We seem to have become not simply a nation of voyeurs
but of very morbid voyeurs. Our fascination with voyeurism is moving from sex
to death, from libido to mortido (as Herr Doktor Freud might have said). Or
have I just been hanging around this group too long?

Bob Champ

>Subject: Re: Dale Earnhardt autopsy photos
>From: hkr...@capuantispam.net
>Date: 6/13/2001 9:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3B28185F...@capu.net>

MadCow57

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Jun 14, 2001, 5:38:31 AM6/14/01
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>>We seem to have become not simply a nation of voyeurs
but of very morbid voyeurs.<< -- RChamp

One good thing about never getting on a jury is that I have never had to look
at murder or accident photos. I wonder how those people stand it.

Jeanne & Pete McKenna

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Jun 14, 2001, 8:51:41 AM6/14/01
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This is a totally dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway.......in the photos
of the crash, there's a black car that veers into a yellow car and both hit
the barrier. The hood on the black car flies up and down. Was Dale
Earnhardt's car the black one?

Jeanne
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Bill Schenley

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Jun 14, 2001, 10:37:46 AM6/14/01
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> This is a totally dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway.......in the
photos
> of the crash, there's a black car that veers into a yellow car and both
hit
> the barrier. The hood on the black car flies up and down. Was Dale
> Earnhardt's car the black one?

Yes. The one with the #3 on it.

PirateJohn

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Jun 15, 2001, 6:49:38 AM6/15/01
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>>
>> DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) - A judge refused to release Dale Earnhardt's
>autopsy
>> photos today, agreeing with the NASCAR great's widow that making the
>pictures
>> public would cause the family pain. "In this particular case, the release
>> constitutes a serious invasion of the highest degree. There is no question
>it's
>> harmful, it's unspeakable,'' said Circuit Judge Joseph Will.
>> ------
>> It certainly is. <puke>
>
>
>I agree. It's no one's business outside of the immediate family.
>

There's some element of mystery here. NASCAR initially said that Earnhardt's
seat belt failed, which clearly didn't do Bill Simpson's company any good and
potentially exposed him to a lawsuit. Now there's some evidence that the seat
belt was cut sometime after the accident, perhaps by a rescue worker.

At first, IIRC, the actual cause of death was thought to be from Earnhardt
hitting his face and jaw into the steering wheel. Now I understand it's
suppsed to be from a broken neck caused by the deceleration. Which might, and
I emphasize MIGHT, have been prevented by the neck supports that NASCAR has
been under pressure to mandate.

Clearly the photos can't be very pretty. Equally clearly the lawyers are
taking a hard look at those photos in order to figure out who they can sue.
This one might keep getting more and more involved -- stay tuned.
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Al Navis

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Jun 16, 2001, 5:13:31 PM6/16/01
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And I disagree. If anybody else's autopsy photos are part of the public
record, then so should Dale Earnhardts. If nobody's photos are part of
the public record, then they should remain hidden.

Just because he was a public figure and has millions of dollars, his
death is no more traumatic to his family than anyone else's death is to
theirs.

I'm tired of the monied always getting special consideration from the
governments and courts. Whatever happened to "Justice is blind"?

Al Navis

Al Navis

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Jun 16, 2001, 5:16:27 PM6/16/01
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The same way that forensic pathologists stand it...they have a job to do
and they do it.

I've seen the Zapruder film so many times now, that I am ammune to the
horror of it.

Al Navis

cindy

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Jun 16, 2001, 9:15:33 PM6/16/01
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"MadCow57" <madc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sometimes not very well. I know that in the Charles Ng case in CA, some of
the jurors had to receive therapy for sometime during and after the trial.
It probably happens a lot more than we hear about. Some people are
extremely empathetic and have a hard time dealing with those feelings.
OTOH, some people are not bothered at all.
Cindy


MadCow57

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Jun 17, 2001, 1:35:14 AM6/17/01
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>>If anybody else's autopsy photos are part of the public
record, then so should Dale Earnhardts. If nobody's photos are part of
the public record, then they should remain hidden.<< -- Al Navis

I certainly hope that nobody's autopsy photos can be released, and here's why:

>>just exactly how ugly were his injuries? Was his head swollen twice its
size? Was he purple? Was his head detatched? What does his type of injury
look like?<< -- Tiny Boofarina (who probably doesn't have a legitimate need to
know)


KJWajerski

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Jun 17, 2001, 1:39:26 PM6/17/01
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<<However, now I understand why no one can stand you. :)>>

I like Dolores so you're statement doesn't ring true.
Kathy

Sometimes God calms the storm; sometimes He calms His child and lets the storm
rage.

J.D. Baldwin

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Jun 17, 2001, 3:43:58 PM6/17/01
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In the previous article, <radioGO-SPAM-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yeah but ... if he wasn't a wealthy public figure, nobody would want
> to splash the man's autopsy photos all over every sleazy website and
> tabloid, would they?

I'm not aware of any cases in which the tabloids have published
autopsy photos. As for websites, I guess you've never heard of
rotten.com.

It's truly another case of special consideration for wealthy
celebrities. Everybody loved the guy, and they've played this
"sympathy for the family" angle up incredibly well, so it was pretty
easy to ram this legislation through in a big hurry (while the illegal
court decisions delayed matters enough to do so). Meanwhile, freedom
of access to public information ande the ability of the press and
private individuals to scrutinize government tak another hit.
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_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / bal...@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer
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Gripweed

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Jun 17, 2001, 4:29:09 PM6/17/01
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INVALID...@example.com (J.D. Baldwin) previously wrote:

>> Yeah but ... if he wasn't a wealthy public figure, nobody would want
>> to splash the man's autopsy photos all over every sleazy website and
>> tabloid, would they?
>
>I'm not aware of any cases in which the tabloids have published
>autopsy photos. As for websites, I guess you've never heard of
>rotten.com.

I believe it was either the NY Post or NY Daily News that posted a
picture of a dead John Lennon in the morgue taken by a hospital
employee. Since it was only a head shot (no pun intended) picture and
John was shot in the chest, it didn't show anything gory. In fact, Yoko
later used that same picture in one of their videos. It might have been
the "Woman" video if I remember correctly or it was another song from
either the Double Fantasy or Milk And Honey albums.

--

PirateJohn

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Jun 18, 2001, 7:04:26 AM6/18/01
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In article <20010617133926...@ng-fc1.aol.com>, kjwaj...@aol.com
(KJWajerski) writes:

><<However, now I understand why no one can stand you. :)>>
>
>I like Dolores so you're statement doesn't ring true.
>Kathy

If you're talking about MadCow she claims that her mother and her sister don't
like her. She's managed to irritate everyone in alt.obits who has a working
brain a and she got laughed out of rec.boats. I'd say that she's pretty
unlikeable.

KJWajerski

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Jun 18, 2001, 11:03:19 AM6/18/01
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<<
If you're talking about MadCow she claims that her mother and her sister don't
like her. She's managed to irritate everyone in alt.obits who has a working
brain a and she got laughed out of rec.boats. I'd say that she's pretty
unlikeable.>>

That's just your opinion. I do like her and I don't believe everything you
guys are saying about her. It's my right.

But I have to say I don't much like people who try to get others to hate
someone else. I can make up my own mind, thank you. I don't need you to tell
me who I like.

bgregg

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Jun 18, 2001, 4:35:43 PM6/18/01
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>
> If you're talking about MadCow she claims that her mother and her sister
don't
> like her. She's managed to irritate everyone in alt.obits who has a
working
> brain a and she got laughed out of rec.boats. I'd say that she's pretty
> unlikeable.

To the contrary, it seems only you and Harry are fixated on MadCow.

Slipslope
>


PirateJohn

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Jun 18, 2001, 7:39:48 PM6/18/01
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In article <9gloar$5su0$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "bgregg"
<bgr...@prodigy.net> writes:

Harry's one of the very few who post to this cesspool of a newsgroup who seems
to have any sort of social conscience and independent thinking. You, on the
other hand, are merely another dull run-of-the-mill reichtwinger who's doing a
"I support the incredibly obviously unpopular MadCow, although we'll pretent
that she's not unpopular" rant. Get a life ... or a sense of humour. And stop
fixating on Harry and myself ;)

Harry Krause

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Jun 18, 2001, 7:46:51 PM6/18/01
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"PirateJohn" <pirat...@aol.comSPAMNOT> wrote in message
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> In article <9gloar$5su0$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "bgregg"
> <bgr...@prodigy.net> writes:
>
> >> If you're talking about MadCow she claims that her mother and her
sister
> >don't
> >> like her. She's managed to irritate everyone in alt.obits who has a
> >working
> >> brain a and she got laughed out of rec.boats. I'd say that she's
pretty
> >> unlikeable.
> >
> > To the contrary, it seems only you and Harry are fixated on MadCow.
> >
> > Slipslope
> >>
> >
>
> Harry's one of the very few who post to this cesspool of a newsgroup who
seems
> to have any sort of social conscience and independent thinking. You, on
the
> other hand, are merely another dull run-of-the-mill reichtwinger who's
doing a
> "I support the incredibly obviously unpopular MadCow, although we'll
pretent
> that she's not unpopular" rant. Get a life ... or a sense of humour. And
stop
> fixating on Harry and myself ;)

There sure are a lot of lockstepped, dull, think-alike reichwingers on the
newsgroup, mostly smug, self-satisfied and, one presumes, delighted there
are still underclasses for them to stand upon...


MadCow57

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Jun 18, 2001, 9:55:55 PM6/18/01
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>>There sure are a lot of lockstepped, dull, think-alike reichwingers on the
newsgroup, mostly smug, self-satisfied and, one presumes, delighted there
are still underclasses for them to stand upon...<< -- Harry

What a narrow view of the world! Sportsmanship includes respect for your
opponents - study Louis, who is a gentleman even to Republicans.

Sirsl...@yahoo.com

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