Uncomformed: Lisa "Wednesday Addams" Loring

[That Derek]

Reportedly via Jon Provost's social media.

[Lenona]

Just found this (it was posted a few minutes ago):

https://extratv.com/2023/01/29/lisa-loring-original-wednesday-addams-dies/
(with two photos)

Yet another former child star has died in 2023 — this time, it is Lisa Loring, the original Wednesday Addams.

Her death on Saturday, at 64, comes just as the character she played on '60s TV has enjoyed a phenomenal resurgence via Jenna Ortega's portrayal in the hit series "Wednesday."

Loring's passing was reported by her close friend Laurie Jacobson on Facebook Sunday. Jacobson reported, "It is with great sadness that I report the death of our friend, Lisa Loring. 4 Days ago she suffered a massive stroke brought on by smoking and high blood pressure. She had been on life support for 3 days. Yesterday, her family made the difficult decision to remove it and she passed last night. She is embedded in the tapestry that is pop culture and in our hearts always as Wednesday Addams."

"Beautiful, kind, a loving mother," she went on. "Lisa's legacy in the world of entertainment is huge. And the legacy for her family and friends -- a wealth of humor, affection and love will long play in our memories. RIP, Lisa. Damn, girl...you were a ton of fun."

[Lenona]

So now John Astin is the sole survivor.

And for those who don't know, Wednesday's name comes from the following nursery rhyme:

"Monday's child is fair of face,
Tuesday's child is full of grace,
Wednesday's child is full of woe,
Thursday's child has far to go,
Friday's child is loving and giving,
Saturday's child works hard for his living,
But the child that is born on the Sabbath day
Is blithe and bonny and good and gay."


(In the original printed cartoons, however, the Addams family members didn't have names.)

[Louis Epstein]

Lenona <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So now John Astin is the sole survivor.
>
> And for those who don't know, Wednesday's name comes from the following nursery rhyme:
>
> "Monday's child is fair of face,
> Tuesday's child is full of grace,
> Wednesday's child is full of woe,
> Thursday's child has far to go,
> Friday's child is loving and giving,
> Saturday's child works hard for his living,
> But the child that is born on the Sabbath day
> Is blithe and bonny and good and gay."

(Obviously not from a Jewish tradition).

>
> (In the original printed cartoons, however, the Addams family members didn't
> have names.)

Aren't the cartoons uncaptioned?

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[Lenona]

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 10:29:29 PM UTC-5, Louis Epstein wrote:

> > (In the original printed cartoons, however, the Addams family members didn't
> > have names.)

> Aren't the cartoons uncaptioned?

Some were, some weren't.

Take this classic Christmastime cartoon (you may have to wait 30 seconds or so before you can see the writing underneath):

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/then-good-old-scrooge-bless-his-heart-turned-to-bob-cratchit-and-snarled-let-me-hear-another-sound-fro--119486196337036630/

And I found this -

https://longforgottenhauntedmansion.blogspot.com/2015/01/charles-addams-and-haunted-mansion.html

- when searching for a more subtle but still amusing 1950s cartoon. To find it, search on the word "safe" and then scroll down a tiny bit more. (It features Lurch.)

[That Derek]

>> Monday's child is fair of face,
Tuesday's child is full of grace,

Wednesday's child is full of woe ...

That's pretty good, Johnny, but that ain't the way I heerd it -- the way I heerd it is this ..

"Monday had a sad child, always feeling low-down;
Tiesday had a dream child, she's always on the go ,,,
If you love a Wednesday, you'll live your life apart now;
If you ;love a Thursday, she's gonna break your heart ... ...
Friday likes the good life, she'll take you for a ride now;
Sunday makes a good wife, she wants to be your bride, so
I'm in love with SATURDAY'S CHILD ..."

[Lenona]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0521006/

More obits:

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/lisa-loring-dead-wednesday-addams-family-1235506117/
(this has a quotation from Butch Patrick - somehow, I never knew they were friends!)

https://bestclassicbands.com/lisa-loring-tributes-obituary-wednesday-addams-family-1-29-23/

https://www.vulture.com/2023/01/lisa-lorring-tvs-original-wednesday-addams-dead-at-64.html
(this briefly mentions Lady Gaga)

And, for what it's worth, Loring, Patrick, and "Elvira" were all born in the 1950s.

[Lenona]

Very strangely, I didn't see any mention of her on the TV news, just now.

In the meantime, this includes comments from Larry Thomas of "Seinfeld."

Plus some good details from an old school friend.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/original-wednesday-addams-lisa-loring-taken-off-life-support-dies-at-64

This mentions her third husband and her grandchildren:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jan/30/lisa-loring-the-original-wednesday-addams-dies-at-age-64

More about her troubles as an adult:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/lisa-loring-wednesday-actress-addams-family-dead-at-64-1235312488/

And

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_hMkUqyEpc
(3:37 tribute)

[Lenona]

You know what else is a little strange?

Watching Loring when she was six and realizing that she was, technically...

...a baby boomer!

(Officially, the end of the baby boom was supposed to be 1965 or so. Some call the last third of the boom "the Blank Generation," but I never seem to hear that expression, these days.)

[Adam H. Kerman]

The phrase "baby boomer" was rather misused to apply to the entire period.
It should have applied specifically to children born in the
circumstances being described.

Men were back home from WWII. The post-war recession ended. The G.I.
bill was used to encourage construction of suburban subdivisions in
rural areas. The key phenomenon was that there were a LOT of school-age
children in an area that used to have very few AND the number of
school-age children entering public school for the first time grew year
over year.

I've always described myself as "between generations" because my father,
while a WWII veteran, waited close to two decades to start having kids,
and as I was going through public school, there were fewer younger
children entering each year than the previous year. All through out my
area, there were brand-new public schools that were underutilized
because the baby boom had ended. The most notorious example was a high
school (attended by Hillary Rodham as a senior) that closed after 13
years.

That's not how Miss Loring grew up, given that her parents weren't
veterans. Both were in the Navy when she was born and they were assigned
to the Marshall Islands. Did she even attend public school or just studio
schools? In the years she attended public schools, were the incoming
classes growing or shrinking?

As I personally never experienced the baby boom as kids 10 or 15
years older than me in the same area did, I don't count myself as a
boomer and just don't care for the nomenculture.

[Lenona]

Well, there must be SOME mathematical reason no one claims the baby boom ended before 1960...

At any rate, in 1964, even the oldest boomers were "minors," if only because they couldn't vote for a couple more years.

(And weren't even allowed to leave home, in some states, IIRC.)

I'm reminded of the episode "The Addams Family Meets a Beatnik."

That is, I don't remember if the runaway character's age is given, but Wednesday and Pugsley clearly like him - as do the parents.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7yi9hi

[A Friend]

In article <9560541d-c5bc-4d0e...@googlegroups.com>,

The "beatnik" was played by Tom Lowell, who was 23 or 24 when that
episode aired. He'd done a Twilight Zone, "The Changing of the Guard,"
which was about aged professor Donald Pleasence thinking he hadn't made
any difference in his students' lives, so a bunch of them come back
from the dead to tell him otherwise.

[Louis Epstein]

The Strauss/Howe generational definitions are a bit
unorthodox when it comes to the Boom,as they define it
as those born 1943 to 1960 (being born in 1943 rather
than 1942 greatly increased a man's chances of being
sent to Vietnam).

Their other defined generations of recent vintage
are Lost 1883-1900
G.I. 1901-1924
Silent 1925-1942
13er/X 1961-1981
Millennial 1982-2004
Homeland 2005-?

(The 1990/1 book "Generations" forecast the end of Millennial
births as about 2003,the Wikipedia article claims that they
revised this to 1996,but the website for their organization
uses 2004...see https://lifecourse.com/about/method/timelines/generations.html)

Other people use other names and draw different boundaries.