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Raymond Kai Lock Wong

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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hello,

Can someone tell me more about the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer center?
Has anyone known of someone who has been there? How was the experience,
the doctors? and what do you personally know about this institution. Any
information is greatly appreciated. I need this information desperately,
because I really want to take my mom there for treatment. She has colon
cancer metisis to the liver.

God bless you
Raymond Wong

Don Sterner

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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In a review of all major cancer centers in the US, Sloan-Kettering was rated
#1 in the country. M. D. Anderson in Houston, Tx. was rated #2.


On 20 May 1997 05:41:29 GMT, Raymond Kai Lock Wong said.....

Ed Uthman

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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In article <01bc64e0$6ff4d720$b45e...@pilot8.vip.best.com>, "Raymond Kai
Lock Wong" <pil...@pilotsupplies.com> wrote:

> Can someone tell me more about the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer center?
> Has anyone known of someone who has been there? How was the experience,
> the doctors? and what do you personally know about this institution. Any
> information is greatly appreciated. I need this information desperately,
> because I really want to take my mom there for treatment. She has colon
> cancer metisis to the liver.

"Memorial," as it is referred to, is an excellent cancer center. However,
in cases such as the one described, I'm not sure it would provide much
increment in terms of outcome compared to that available in just about any
American mid-sized or larger city. For rare tumors, tumors requiring
big-time surgery, bone marrow transplants, slash-and-burn chemotherapy,
etc., Memorial and its ilk are great, but for metastatic colon cancer I
would question the relative benefit of a big-time academic center.

Ed

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Ed Uthman, MD
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Pathologist -Seneca
Houston/Richmond, Texas, USA

Paul I. Roda, M.D., F.A.C.P.

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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Raymond Kai Lock Wong wrote:

> hello,


>
> Can someone tell me more about the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer
> center?
> Has anyone known of someone who has been there? How was the
> experience,
> the doctors? and what do you personally know about this institution.
> Any
> information is greatly appreciated. I need this information
> desperately,
> because I really want to take my mom there for treatment. She has
> colon
> cancer metisis to the liver.
>

> God bless you
> Raymond Wong

Memorial Sloane Kettering is but one of many excellent research
centers. If you live in New York/New Jersey, it should be considered.
However, there are many equally good centers depending on where you
live. In the west, I would consider Stanford, UCLA, and the Univ. of
British Columbia, M.D. Anderson, Univ. of Ala., and the Univ. of Miami
cover the South. Let's not forget about Mayo, the Univ. of Nebraska, and
Univ. of Chicago.

My advice, look for clinical trials at
http://wwwicic.nci.nih.gov/prot/protsrch.html, discuss which trial(s)
would be most appropriate with your mother's current docs, and go there.


Christina Petro

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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My mother went to Sloan Kettering after reaching remission of her
metasticized breast cancer. She was researching the possibility of
a stem cell transplant (similar to BMT). The doctors seemed wonderful
and knowledgable, but the hospital was too far from home for mom to
be comfortable. Also, it seemed that they were more willing to try
trial medicine rather than well seated methods. This may not be a
negative to some people but Mom wasn't too comfortable with being
a giney-pig.

Best wishes and God Bless.
Christina

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richard or dottie marsh

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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I have never heard anything but good about the care at Sloan-Kettering.
Have had three friends who were treated there. (This institute was
established by Lewis Thomas MD, who wrote: "Nurses are the glue that
holds the hospital together.") Good luck with your mother, Mr. Wong.
Been there. DM

Mike Harmon

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May 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/21/97
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I have no personal experience, but have seen Sloan Kettering listed among
the top centers in the nation, on par w/ Mayo, Johns Hopkins etc. Check US
News "Best Hospitals" issue for a listing of the best cancer hospitals
ranked by several criteria. Good luck.
Raymond Kai Lock Wong wrote in article <01bc64e0$6ff4d720$b45e56ce@pilot8.v
ip.best.com>...

John Scudamore

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May 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/21/97
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I read about this place in the books of Ralp Moss. They did the first
suppression of Laetrile over 20 years ago. The man running it then was
also on the board of the main chemotherapy drug company.

John Scudamore

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May 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/23/97
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The care may be good but I am not sure about the medicine after reading
Ralph Moss's The Cancer Industry. They (Lewis Thomas) suppressed the
good results of Laetrile over 20 years ago, and have a few conflicts of
interest on the board with some members being on drug company and
cigarette company boards as well
John S

Bogomir M Kuhar, PharmD

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May 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/27/97
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In <338567...@mail.enterprise.net> John Scudamore

Ah, ha! What great science. "I've heard nothing but good things..." I
wish pharmacists were as critical of places like Sloan as they are of
the overwhelming evidence in other matters where they remain
obstinately ignorant!

Check closely as Sloan is involved in several controversies and many
people have been unwittingly in experinments there and other "fine"
institutions e.g. Cleveland Clinic, which apparently likes its clients
freshly dead at times, 60 Minutes informs us.

caveat emptor!

BK, PharmD

Richard A. Evans, M.D.

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Jun 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/20/97
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There is no question the Memorial Slogan Kettering in an excellent
hospital with many fine physicians. Dr. Mendelsohn is an example. He has
recently come to Houston as president of MD Anderson.

Unfortunately, much of what Ralph Moss has written in his book "The
Cancer Industry" is true. Many of the directors of the hospital have had
close ties with pharmaceutical companies and the new media. Some +
research about Laetrile was suppressed in the early 1970's. Patients are
led to believe that MSKCC and other mega institutions has the latest in
cancer treatment. This is not true. MSKCC did not lead the way in
conservative surgery for breast cancer (lumpectomy); in fact, they
dragged their feet. Similar changes are occurring in the treatment of
other cancers. Patients who get all their opinions for MSKCC, Johns
Hopkins, etc. may be treated too aggressively. One example is Mike Korda
who wrote of his prostate cancer in "Man to man." He makes no secret of
his complication - impotence.

MSKCC is a great hospital with many fine doctors, but patients with
cancer should get at least one opinion from a more conservative
institution. My web site below in an example of a "real" second opinion.

Dick Evans


> >Mike Harmon wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Can someone tell me more about the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer
> >> center?
> >I read about this place in the books of Ralp Moss. They did the first
> >suppression of Laetrile over 20 years ago. The man running it then was
> >also on the board of the main chemotherapy drug company.

> John,
>
> I must speak up here... I don't know *who* was on the Board of
> Directors at Sloan-Kettering.. but I take exception to what you
> imply..
>
> First of all, Laetrile has *never* been shown to work.. and I have
> read the literature.
>
> Secondly, I've worked with the head of Thoracic Surgery at
> Sloan-Kettering - in editing co-authored book chapters with Canadians.
> Ginsberg was originally at Toronto General where he was involved (was
> a part of the group that started it...) with the heart-lung transplant
> program (as I recall - way before I met him...).
>
> He is a brilliant man..
> There is such a thing as "Informed Consent" I might remind you... you
> run the risk of depriving those reading your post of this... and
> *that*, sir, is a violation of ethics...
>
> Anne

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Richard A. Evans, M. D. Houston, Texas 713-975-6270

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