Somebody stop us - If you can!
Chris Fleitman
US military scores laser success
The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
The US Army's Space and Missile Defence Command said that "seconds
later, at a point well short of its intended destination, the
projectile was destroyed".
The Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (MTHEL) is being developed by
the TRW Corporation for use by the US military and the Israeli Defence
Ministry.
Two years ago, it successfully shot down a Katyusha rocket, but in
Monday's test it managed to destroy a shell moving at a higher speed.
The test took place at the White Sands missile range in New Mexico.
Potent weapon
A laser is an intense beam of light, carefully corralled so that the
beam does not diverge and weaken. In the MTHEL, the energy is supplied
by a controlled chemical reaction.
The laser is a potentially potent weapon as the beam travels literally
at the speed of light and can cross great distances with minimal loss
of intensity.
Such a beam could knock out targets at distances ranging from tens of
kilometres to, in theory, thousands of kilometres.
"This shoot-down shifts the paradigm for defensive capabilities,"
Lieutenant General Joseph Cosumano, head of the missile defence
command, told Reuters news agency.
"We have shown that even an artillery projectile hurtling through the
air at supersonic speed is no match for a laser."
Israeli interest
The laser was built as a joint project between the US and Israel.
The Israeli Government is interested in the system because Katyusha
rockets are used by militant Islamic groups in attacks on Israel.
The system stems in part from a commitment former US President Bill
Clinton made in April 1996 to then Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres
to aid Israel in developing a security system against rockets.
Lasers were behind the space-based missile defence shield idea,
labelled "Star Wars", first suggested by US President Ronald Reagan in
1983.
The Pentagon has been working on a variety of other laser weapon
technologies that could be used to shoot down ballistic missiles in
flight, although deployment of such weapons is at least a decade away.
Gregory Procter
Chris Fleitman wrote:
That will do away with terrorist nations having to develop firing
mechanisims for their nuclear warheads - just get the yanks to set them
off with lazers!
liba...@yahoo.com
Correct - in their home country the moment the button is pressed.
Gregory Procter
liba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Wow! With that degree of aim and ability, you lot will be able to set off the firing button and
then claim they were likely to attack you.
For that matter, if the nuke goes off on the launch pad, how are we to know it wasn't you nuking
them?
Xx GMT Master II xX
I hope Spongy read the last sentence.
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Ninety7GT
" When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When
provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost,
go to any length, in pursuit of justice. " - L. Pitts, Jr.
Ed
liba...@yahoo.com wrote:
I guess they'll just have to smuggle a nuclear bomb into the USA disguised as a shipment of
herorin instead.
--
"I do not believe we have put a guilty...I mean innocent person to death in Texas."
George Bush Jnr, (un)elected president of the USA, defending the number of executions
he has authorised as State governor of Texas.
liba...@yahoo.com
That's a realistic possibility. They tried this before through Canada.
We just would like to know why the Canadians didn't catch them before
they crossed the border.
>disguised as a shipment of
> herorin instead.
Nope. Although we do have our junkies, heroin is your gig. We do the
ecstasy thing.
nick
>
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> >
> > US military scores laser success
> >
> > The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
> > flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> >
> > The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
> > of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly, you
military/arms industry/terrorist Israeli friends just make up the test
results to screw more tax money out of you dimwits.
The friendly fire opportunities for a laser could be exciting though.
Chris Johnson
nick wrote:
Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
Our smart bombs also do a fine job. Ask Moammar Khadafi.
Our M1 Abrams tanks with their 120mm smoothbore guns are really quite
effective.
Ask any surviving Iraqi tank crewman from the gulf war.
Not every weapons system meets its design objectives, but we have the
world's finest
battlefield technology, period.
CJ
Gregory Procter
liba...@yahoo.com wrote:
You better believe it!
> They tried this before through Canada.
Who tried it? When? Why? How?
>
> We just would like to know why the Canadians didn't catch them before
> they crossed the border.
Answer the questions, that might give us a clue.
Daniel
"nick" <nickj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:591e2df6.02110...@posting.google.com...
Especially if there are brits, Canadians or a Chinese embassy in the
immediate area.
Jerry Can
Chris Johnson wrote:
> nick wrote:
>
> >>Chris Fleitman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> >>>
> >>>US military scores laser success
> >>>
> >>>The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
> >>>flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> >>>
> >>>The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
> >>>of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly, you
> >military/arms industry/terrorist Israeli friends just make up the test
> >results to screw more tax money out of you dimwits.
> >
> >The friendly fire opportunities for a laser could be exciting though.
> >
> >
>
> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
>
>
> Our smart bombs also do a fine job. Ask Moammar Khadafi.
>
> Our M1 Abrams tanks with their 120mm smoothbore guns are really quite
> effective.
> Ask any surviving Iraqi tank crewman from the gulf war.
>
> Not every weapons system meets its design objectives, but we have the
> world's finest
> battlefield technology, period.
>
Yes, you do.
>
> CJ
Jerry Can
liba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Don't even think about trying to start that. For Christ sakes, why didn't you clowns stop the
terrorists from flying 3 freakin 737's into 3 of the most famous buildings in your country? How did
they get into your country? Why did you morons let them in? They did not come through Canada, we
all know that.
Oh, it wasn't a nuke the others tried to smuggle, it was a bomb, and CSIS knew about and went after
them but they had already headed south, so they and warned your government.
As far as terrorists, your country has cells everywhere, WAY more than in Canada.
Jerry Can
Daniel wrote:
WTF is your problem? You are putting down your allies? Dude, with people
like you making lame comments like this, your country will not have any allies
left.
Sam A. Kersh
wrote:
>> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
>
>That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
Read some history. the Japanese got what they deserved. Start with
Nanking in 1938 then move forward to Pearl, Battan, and the planned
defense of the Home Island.
Sam A. Kersh
NRA Patron
L.E.A.A. Life Member
TSRA Life Member
GOA, JPFO, SAF
http://www.flash.net/~csmkersh/
==============================================================
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TellTheTruth
> >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> > >
> > > US military scores laser success
> > >
> > > The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
> > > flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> > >
> > > The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
> > > of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
>
> Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly,
Really?
Ask Nagasaki and/or Hiroshima.
Made in the USA, tested in Japan.
Carry on . . . . . . . .
Daniel
"Jerry Can" <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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I was being a smart ass. I happen to almost like Canadians. I was just
trying to rile up little Nicky. It will take more than sarcastic comments
from a nobody like me to cause the US to lose allies. Chill out and try to
take things less seriously.
Axel Van Kampen
"Jerry Can" <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>
>
Allies?
The US has one ally and thats Israel.
Daniel
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, everyone else are just our subordinates.
Axel Van Kampen
"Daniel" <dwnb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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LOL
We here think you are a bit of a joke with a bubblegum army just like in
Vietnam. We don't take you very seriously.
Axel Van Kampen
"Jerry Can" <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Chris Johnson wrote:
>
> > nick wrote:
> >
> > >>Chris Fleitman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> > >>>
> > >>>US military scores laser success
> > >>>
> > >>>The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
> > >>>flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> > >>>
> > >>>The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
> > >>>of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly, you
> > >military/arms industry/terrorist Israeli friends just make up the test
> > >results to screw more tax money out of you dimwits.
> > >
> > >The friendly fire opportunities for a laser could be exciting though.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
I doubt YOU have a nuke.
Axel Van Kampen
"TellTheTruth" <tellth...@every.net> wrote in message
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>
> "nick" <nickj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:591e2df6.02110...@posting.google.com...
> > > Chris Fleitman wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> > > >
> > > > US military scores laser success
> > > >
> > > > The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
> > > > flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> > > >
> > > > The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
> > > > of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
> >
> > Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly,
>
> Really?
>
> Ask Nagasaki and/or Hiroshima.
>
> Made in the USA, tested in Japan.
Come on then, prove to us that they ones today aren't made of bubblegum and
tape!
Chris Johnson
Axel Van Kampen wrote:
No, I sure don't! Those are expensive to own and it's difficult to get
the necessary permits
to have them, and the delivery systems are simply NOT readily available
even on the surplus
market, and the few that are are in poor condition, and worst of all,
there's not a single
gun range in the nation that's big enough to shoot the sucker off and
that's also available for
civilian use! Not that you can pop one off above ground these days
anyway, not even if
you're a government...except in actual wartime use. And I don't hate
anybody enough to
wage nuclear war on him anyway. (Well...maybe Bin Laden...)
I can think of a few people I would like to beat to a bloody pulp with
my bare fists, though....
However, my government has THOUSANDS of nukes, and that's OK by me.
CJ
Stephan Rothstein
But I notice that everyone around the world is afraid of pissing off the
US and us sending that little bubblegum army into their world after
them.
And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend them.
That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
Steve Rothstein
TellTheTruth
LOL!
Ask the Japs.
Daniel
You might not, but your countries do.
photographer
"Sam A. Kersh" <csmk...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:gogmsu060rm21skhp...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:15:27 -0700, Jerry Can <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
> >
> >That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
>
> Read some history. the Japanese got what they deserved. Start with
> Nanking in 1938 then move forward to Pearl, Battan, and the planned
> defense of the Home Island.
>
Ask my granddad; he was held at the Emperors 'pleasure' after the fall of
Singapore.
Axel Van Kampen
"Stephan Rothstein" <srot...@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:3DCBEAA5...@grandecom.net...
Everyone?
Thats news indeed!
Who?
>
> And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
> armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
> neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend them.
> That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
Lots of luck then. You must be happy. We don't need you and we don't care.
BTW, by doing that, is it enhancing your lifestyle? Is it putting more into
your pocket? Does it enhance your standard of living?
If not, why bother?
Axel Van Kampen
In your dreams..................
Axel Van Kampen
Read my statement again! Come on then, prove to us that they ones today
aren't made of bubblegum and tape!
How would the japs know? Come on, prove it to us! Or are you some kind of
chickenshit?
Daniel
Yawn.
Sam A. Kersh
<chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Sam A. Kersh" <csmk...@flash.net> wrote in message
>news:gogmsu060rm21skhp...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:15:27 -0700, Jerry Can <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
>> >
>> >That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
>>
>> Read some history. the Japanese got what they deserved. Start with
>> Nanking in 1938 then move forward to Pearl, Battan, and the planned
>> defense of the Home Island.
>>
>
>
>Ask my granddad; he was held at the Emperors 'pleasure' after the fall of
>Singapore.
At least he lived through the experience. I would wager not all of his
commrades did.
photographer
"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:08:41 -0000, "photographer"
> <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sam A. Kersh" <csmk...@flash.net> wrote in message
> >news:gogmsu060rm21skhp...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:15:27 -0700, Jerry Can
<bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
> >> >
> >> >That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
> >>
> >> Read some history. the Japanese got what they deserved. Start with
> >> Nanking in 1938 then move forward to Pearl, Battan, and the planned
> >> defense of the Home Island.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Ask my granddad; he was held at the Emperors 'pleasure' after the fall of
> >Singapore.
>
> At least he lived through the experience. I would wager not all of his
> commrades did.
>
Very true, he freely admitted that he would not have lasted much longer
though. The stories he told me are inspirational, in that he survived, and
horrific, in that many did not and the manner they died. I recorded many of
his reflections on tape. He was a great man, as were the men who did not
make it. I doubt that I would have had the courage to survive as he did. He
came through all that and still had love in his heart. He inspired my
father, and many of my family, to enlist. I could not because of health
reasons.
Yardpilot
"Jerry Can" <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Chris Johnson wrote:
>
> > nick wrote:
> >
> > >>Chris Fleitman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> > >>>
> > >>>US military scores laser success
> > >>>
> > >>>The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery shell in
> > >>>flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> > >>>
> > >>>The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a stream
> > >>>of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly, you
> > >military/arms industry/terrorist Israeli friends just make up the test
> > >results to screw more tax money out of you dimwits.
> > >
> > >The friendly fire opportunities for a laser could be exciting though.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
>
> That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
A statement of facts is rude? Why should anyone be ashamed?
liba...@yahoo.com
more then two years ago a car was stopped entering Seattle Washington
from Canada with dirty bomb material and components to blow it up
during the millennium calibration. And no Greg, it was not bubble gum
and shoe strings. It was in fact a dirty bomb. We in the states aren't
blaming Canada but we feel that they (the terrorists)never should have
made past the border into our country.
liba...@yahoo.com
Fine.
> Oh, it wasn't a nuke the others tried to smuggle, it was a bomb,
It was a dirty bomb. That is a small bomb of the nuclear variety.
>and CSIS knew about and went after
> them but they had already headed south, so they and warned your government.
Why weren't they stopped at the border? How much was the pay off to
the Mounties to allow them in to blow up your biggest friend, ally and
trading partner? Were they reprimanded? Do they still have they're
jobs?
> As far as terrorists, your country has cells everywhere,
True. And we have been closing ours. Have you?
>WAY more than in Canada.
That you know of!
Morton Davis
-*MORT*-
David Rackley
> armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
> neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend them.
> That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
I'd add the British to that list. We've been allies from before Israel
formed their current nation.
Axel Van Kampen
"Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
news:S1%y9.47239$sP2.15907@sccrnsc02...
I see you ignored this one? Was it too difficult for you?
The arabs certainly don't seem afraid to piss you off. They know they've got
the oil you need so you have to suck up to them.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
> > > armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
> > > neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend them.
> > > That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
> >
> >
> > Lots of luck then. You must be happy. We don't need you and we don't
care.
> >
> > BTW, by doing that, is it enhancing your lifestyle? Is it putting more
> into
> > your pocket? Does it enhance your standard of living?
> >
> > If not, why bother?
> >
> >
> Why do you? Bother to breathe, that is.
I see you couldn't answer this one either, mort? Is it because you have just
realised that you have lost the argument?
You must be soooooooooo pissed off because you now realise that you are
stuck in the US with no option to go anywhere else.
You angry little man.............go take it out on someone, bring your gun
with you.
Axel Van Kampen
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ............................
Axel Van Kampen
"Yardpilot" <Yard...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:tkZy9.68548$Lu1.51865@sccrnsc01...
Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on, prove it
to us!
Jerry Can
Yardpilot wrote:
Bragging about the fact that your government unnecesarily dropped nuclear
weapons on not 1, but 2 major japanese cities, murdering hundreds of thousands
of people, many of which were women and children is rude.
Look at how angry those in your country were when you saw the tapes of the
people in the middle east cheering after the WTC attack.
Your statement was not intended to be a statement of fact, and don't bother
replying to me that it was, nobody is going to fall for it. All nuclear
weapons work quite well, it is fusion of atoms at work. Ask the Japanese?
Christ all mighty man, your own countrymen would be ashamed of you.
Jerry Can
David Rackley wrote:
There are others as well, Canada for one.
Jerry Can
> the Mounties to allow them in to blow up your biggest friend, ally and
> trading partner? Were they reprimanded? Do they still have they're
> jobs?
I would hope not. Oh, by the way, it was YOUR border crossing that let them through. YOUR government runs
the border crossing that allows or turns back people entering into the US. So, how much was the payoff to
YOUR border personnel to allow them in to blow you up, our biggest friend, ally and trading partner? Were
YOUR border personnel reprimanded? Do they still have their jobs?
>
>
> > As far as terrorists, your country has cells everywhere,
>
> True. And we have been closing ours. Have you?
Of course. Come on, we are allies, on the same side as you, remember? Or are you trying to make up new
enemies now?
>
>
> >WAY more than in Canada.
>
> That you know of!
Correct, that I know of. I had assumed that the US is more of a target for terrorists, thus more
terrorists would set up shop there. I may be wrong, and for that I apologise.
Xx GMT Master II xX
Chris, Monday Nov. 11th we will celebrate Veterans day here in the United
States. I salute your grandfather and all those who have served their
countries with honor. Very soon we will have no veterans left from WW II.
It's important we don't forget what sacrifices were made on all sides, military
personnel as well as civilians sacrificed. It's important we don't forget the
suffering on both sides, both in the battlefields and at home. It's important
we don't let the alliances formed and the good will forged fade away in these
turbulent times. I fear we are on the road to another war with Iraq, and your
nation along with mine will do the brunt of the work. Hug a veteran on Monday
and say thanks. Thanks for what you did for me and for future generations.
;-)
Sara
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Ninety7GT
" When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When
provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost,
go to any length, in pursuit of justice. " - L. Pitts, Jr.
Neal Atkins
<bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>> > And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
>> > armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
>> > neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend them.
>> > That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
>>
>> I'd add the British to that list. We've been allies from before Israel
>> formed their current nation.
>
>There are others as well, Canada for one.
I don't think Canada will last long as an "ally". With arabs and
muslims flooding into Canada with no background check, the Canadian
government taken over by socialist/totalitarians and the plunging
Canadian economy, I imagine that we will need more border controls up
there within 5 years than we have between the U.S. and Mexico.
Neal Atkins
<bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>> > > Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
>> >
>> > That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
>>
>> A statement of facts is rude? Why should anyone be ashamed?
>
>Bragging about the fact that your government unnecesarily dropped nuclear
>weapons on not 1, but 2 major japanese cities, murdering hundreds of thousands
>of people, many of which were women and children is rude.
"MURDERING"?? MURDERING?? You ASSHOLE. The JAP GOVERNMENT saw fit
to MURDER thousands of people in Hawaii with no warning. With the
blessing of their "emperor". And then they PAID for it. We didn't
hang enough of them after the war, and that includes Hirohito.
>
>Look at how angry those in your country were when you saw the tapes of the
>people in the middle east cheering after the WTC attack.
Yeah, and the PC police won't let us use nukes now. But if saddam
decides to check out his NBC weapons, I wouldn't want to be in Bagdad.
>
>Your statement was not intended to be a statement of fact, and don't bother
>replying to me that it was, nobody is going to fall for it. All nuclear
>weapons work quite well, it is fusion of atoms at work. Ask the Japanese?
>Christ all mighty man, your own countrymen would be ashamed of you.
This one isn't. And I don't give a DAMM if the rest of the world
likes us, I want them to FEAR US. Next time around YOU can defend
YOURSELF.
Stephan Rothstein
>
> "Morton Davis" <oglet...@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
> news:S1%y9.47239$sP2.15907@sccrnsc02...
> >
> > "Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:ABVy9.72421$g9.2...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> > >
> > > "Stephan Rothstein" <srot...@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3DCBEAA5...@grandecom.net...
> > > > Axel Van Kampen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We here think you are a bit of a joke with a bubblegum army just
> like
> > in
> > > > > Vietnam. We don't take you very seriously.
> > > >
> > > > But I notice that everyone around the world is afraid of pissing off
> the
> > > > US and us sending that little bubblegum army into their world after
> > > > them.
> > >
> > > Everyone?
> > > Thats news indeed!
> > > Who?
>
> I see you ignored this one? Was it too difficult for you?
>
> The arabs certainly don't seem afraid to piss you off. They know they've got
> the oil you need so you have to suck up to them.
They are afraid enough that they have always done as we requested in the
long run. We always get the oil we need and we used their bases for
attacks on Baghdad last time. I notice that one reason they are not
wanting us over there again is that they are afraid of us taking over
the whole area and not going home. Also note that when it looks like we
are really going to send people over, Saddam makes concessions to the
UN. That is a fear of our bubble gum army.
I also notice that the Chinese have so far backed down when faced with
direct attack. They are not as afraid of us as I would like because they
don't see us as having the hard core resolve we need to, but when they
were faced with it, they negotiated and backed down. Look at the apology
we gave them - we apologized for making an emergency landing on their
island without permission. And yes, I am aware that making the apology
at all was face saving to them and made us weaker in their eyes, but
they were afraid enough of us that they negotiated.
Name one country that is not afraid of facing the US bubble gum military
in combat. Go ahead, name one, but show some evidence from a leader of
the country that it is the official position of that government.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
> > > > armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
> > > > neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend them.
> > > > That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lots of luck then. You must be happy. We don't need you and we don't
> care.
> > >
> > > BTW, by doing that, is it enhancing your lifestyle? Is it putting more
> > into
> > > your pocket? Does it enhance your standard of living?
> > >
> > > If not, why bother?
> > >
I was going to ignore this one too, but I should answer it. We do it for
many reasons, including enhancing our lifestyle and pure profit. It
enhances my standard of living by providing another market for our goods
(as if the rest of the world wasn't clamoring for them enough) and by
selling us their goods. It also enhances our lifestyle by allowing us to
feel like we are helping a friend when needed, and by letting us think
we are doing the right thing. Being able to face yourself each morning
and having pride in your country are two things that help enhance our
lifestyle. And yes, I am aware that the right thing in that part of the
world is subject to debate. Even here not everyone agrees that we are
doing the right thing. I just happen to think so, as apparently do the
officials in power.
Steve Rothstein
Stephan Rothstein
I know we have more allies than Israel. I would add several other
countries to the list, including Australia, Germany, and Japan. Other
than Israel and maybe with it included, I think Britain has probably
been our most loyal ally (mutually) for well over 100 years. It was just
in response to Axel when he claimed Israel was our only friend that I
answered that it may be all we need.
Steve Rothstein
Axel Van Kampen
"David Rackley" <davidr...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:lq%y9.23720$Dc4....@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
They don't need you to defend them. The Brits have always been tough in
battle unlike your bubblegum army. Remember Vietnam? Remember Somalia?
Joel Jacobs
> Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on, prove it
> to us!
This'll give you a start.....
http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Usa/Tests/
Axel Van Kampen
I that why your president os so afraid to upset them? Because you need their
bases and their oil?
We always get the oil we need and we used their bases for
> attacks on Baghdad last time. I notice that one reason they are not
> wanting us over there again is that they are afraid of us taking over
> the whole area and not going home. Also note that when it looks like we
> are really going to send people over, Saddam makes concessions to the
> UN. That is a fear of our bubble gum army.
Tell that to the people who worked in World Trade Centre. How scared the
arabs are. They were so scared that they decided to piss you off and fly
those planes in to your building. And those embassies. And the USS Cole. And
whatever else they've done.
>
> I also notice that the Chinese have so far backed down when faced with
> direct attack.
Which was when?
They are not as afraid of us as I would like because they
> don't see us as having the hard core resolve we need to,
You don't. You army is a bunch of pissweak bubblegum cowboys.
but when they
> were faced with it, they negotiated and backed down. Look at the apology
> we gave them - we apologized for making an emergency landing on their
> island without permission. And yes, I am aware that making the apology
> at all was face saving to them and made us weaker in their eyes, but
> they were afraid enough of us that they negotiated.
Yeah, they are soooooooo scared of you that they test their missiles over
Taiwan.
>
> Name one country that is not afraid of facing the US bubble gum military
> in combat. Go ahead, name one, but show some evidence from a leader of
> the country that it is the official position of that government.
You go ahead and name one that is.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
> > > > > armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of
their
> > > > > neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend
them.
> > > > > That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lots of luck then. You must be happy. We don't need you and we don't
> > care.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, by doing that, is it enhancing your lifestyle? Is it putting
more
> > > into
> > > > your pocket? Does it enhance your standard of living?
> > > >
> > > > If not, why bother?
> > > >
>
> I was going to ignore this one too, but I should answer it. We do it for
> many reasons, including enhancing our lifestyle and pure profit. It
> enhances my standard of living by providing another market for our goods
> (as if the rest of the world wasn't clamoring for them enough)
***NEWSFLASH***
The biggest manufacturer of consumer goods in the world is the Asian
countries. By a mile. I can't think of a single thing I have bought that
comes from the US.
and by
> selling us their goods. It also enhances our lifestyle by allowing us to
> feel like we are helping a friend when needed, and by letting us think
> we are doing the right thing.
They sure have you trained well, don't they? God bless america and all that
shit.
Do you actually believe any of it?
Being able to face yourself each morning
> and having pride in your country are two things that help enhance our
> lifestyle.
Yeah and thats exactly why I choose to live in Australia. I had the choice
of living in the US for another year but the lifestyle here is just so much
better.
And yes, I am aware that the right thing in that part of the
> world is subject to debate. Even here not everyone agrees that we are
> doing the right thing. I just happen to think so, as apparently do the
> officials in power.
I don't really care about the moral issue. I just don't take the US very
seriously. To me it's pretty much irrelevant what you do.
Axel Van Kampen
> Jerry Can wrote:
> >
> > David Rackley wrote:
> >
> > > "Stephan Rothstein" <srot...@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> > > > And Israel is the only ally we need. I don't recall too many other
> > > > armies that have defeated the combined armies of almost all of their
> > > > neighbors in just 6 days. They will defend us and we will defend
them.
> > > > That is the only type of ally to have, a true one.
> > >
> > > I'd add the British to that list. We've been allies from before
Israel
> > > formed their current nation.
> >
> > There are others as well, Canada for one.
>
> I know we have more allies than Israel. I would add several other
> countries to the list, including Australia,
Hey, I'm an Aussie. We don't see you as an ally really, more of coca-cola
country which produce rap music and fast food.
> Germany,
LOL
Have you been living under a rock or something? Did you not hear what the
Germans said about Bush? And why aren't they supporting your president in
the Iraq war?
Neither is Australia.
and Japan. Other
> than Israel and maybe with it included, I think Britain has probably
> been our most loyal ally (mutually) for well over 100 years. It was just
> in response to Axel when he claimed Israel was our only friend that I
> answered that it may be all we need.
Other countries may support you from time to time but who do you support?
Answer: Israel.
This is in response to Steps misguided claim that the US have other allies.
He obviously believes everything CNN tells him.
Chris Johnson
OK wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 23:06:00 -0600, Stephan Rothstein
><srot...@grandecom.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I also notice that the Chinese have so far backed down
>>
>>
>Well, they did return your plane I suppose. Have you managed to glue
>it back together again yet?
>
>
It was neatly disassembled into its major subassemblies with little or
no damage. It was
essentially delivered in need of just some wrench and screwdriver work,
but the opportunity
to upgrade its systems was taken advantage of and it is in the middle of
an overhaul and upgrade
so it'll be first rate when it returns to service.
CJ
Chris Johnson
Axel Van Kampen wrote:
Yeah, let's look at Somalia. A greatly outnumbered force killed and
wounded many times their
number.
Let's look at Vietnam. The Vietnamese casualties are now known to be
over a MILLION,
and as for US casualties...look it up. You won't believe me anyway when
I tell you how much
BETTER we were when it came to actual COMBAT. We won every battle but
lost the
war due to the shithead politicans upstairs who wouldn't let go of the
leash!
CJ
Chris Johnson
Jerry Can wrote:
>Bragging about the fact that your government unnecesarily dropped nuclear
>weapons
>
Unnecessary? Man, you must have slept through your history classes! I
guess you thought they were
"unnecessary", too.
The twin nuclear bombings of Japan resulted in a few hundred thousand
casualties, but no estimate
of an invasion of mainland Japan (which was the only other option to
bring the war to an end) put the
number of projected casualties under a million.
Yes, it WAS necessary, as of the choices available, it was the least
destructive to human life.
The actual death toll associated with an invasion would probably have
been several million, as
it would have been accompanied by unrestricted carpet bombing to 'soften
up' the areas
that would have received the invasion forces. Millions of lives were
likely saved and much widespread
property damage was avoided as well.
CJ
Chris Johnson
Axel Van Kampen wrote:
Move to Afghanistan, join what's left of Al Qaida, and wait for the
demonstration.
Or join the Iraqis and you'll see the same thing but with different tactics.
You're just jealous because we have all the latest and coolest toys.
Your Australian
government doesn't do much of that, and that's a shame because there is
not much that's
cooler than getting paid to maintain or operate a high technology
weapons system.
CJ
>
>
Axel Van Kampen
"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
news:r18psu4q8dulr9hut...@4ax.com...
> it back together again yet?
LOL
Thats good, very good!
Stephan Rothstein
> it back together again yet?
Fair is fair. We, with the help of the Japanese, did the same thing to
the Russians when their pilot defected in a MIG.
Steve Rothstein
Chris Johnson
Stephan Rothstein wrote:
I remember that! It was a North Korean pilot who flew to Japan in a
MiG 25 Foxbat.
We sent it back in a series of packing crates, and in the process of
evaluating it we discovered
that it was fast but not fast enough to catch an SR-71 (which is what it
was intended to do)
and as a dogfighter it wasn't anything special as it has relatively poor
maneuverability.
An F-4 is more than a match for it as a dogfighter and an F-15 Eagle
pilot would think it was a joke,
as would an F-16 pilot.
CJ
Chris Johnson
OK wrote:
>It looks like it hit home too - none of them have been able to answer
>me yet.
>
>
Yeah, right. I replied. Maybe your newsfeed hasn't updated at the
server yet.
CJ
Yardpilot
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:lz%y9.72598$g9.2...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
Yardpilot
"Jerry Can" <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
Except I didn't do anything of the kind. What is the source of your deep
seated need to lie so badly? The United States was attacked. The United
States didn't like that. The United States finished a war that someone else
started. Don't like it? Tough. The atomic bomb saved uncounted millions of
lives by ending that war before invasion became necessary. You REALLY need
to talk to some of those old fellows who were about to make the invasion.
Oh, and you also need to check the number of fatalities again. You are way
off.
Axel Van Kampen
"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
> me yet.
I guess they're stuck for words now. To me it seems like they are totally
perplexed that we have the nerve to criticise them. They must be thinking
"how come they don't suck up to us, we are americans?"
Axel Van Kampen
What does paygrade have to do with it? I'm just asking for proof, for you to
backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing more
than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
Daniel
"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
> me yet.
>
Only if you ignore a reply that was posted an hour before you posted this.
You were answered. You chose to ignore it.
Daniel
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Ue3z9.72983$g9.2...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
No, we know you're mentally handicapped and just don't know any better.
Thor
>It looks like it hit home too - none of them have been able to answer
>me yet.
And just how many spy planes does YOUR country have the guts to put up over other
countries to keep tabs on their military...or like the rest of the free world...do you
RELY on American intelligence gathering?????????
Yeah...I can see the headlines now...New Zealand Spy Plane Shot Down.......
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Daniel
"Chris Johnson" <cmjo...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3DCCB2B3...@cfl.rr.com...
You know how a dog thinks it's hidden if it covers it's head? The idiot
thinks that by ignoring your post it is not there.
Axel Van Kampen
"Thor" <bagr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6qlpsu0t9i0cbn9pp...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:59:11 +1100, OK <n...@thisad.dress> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:38:39 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> ><spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
> >>news:r18psu4q8dulr9hut...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 23:06:00 -0600, Stephan Rothstein
> >>> <srot...@grandecom.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >I also notice that the Chinese have so far backed down
> >>> Well, they did return your plane I suppose. Have you managed to glue
> >>> it back together again yet?
> >>
> >>LOL
> >>
> >>Thats good, very good!
> >
> >It looks like it hit home too - none of them have been able to answer
> >me yet.
>
> And just how many spy planes does YOUR country have the guts to put up
over other
> countries to keep tabs on their military
Guts? Did you think it takes guts to send out spyplanes?
Thats fucking hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guts doesn't come from guns or spyplanes.
...or like the rest of the free world...do you
> RELY on American intelligence gathering?????????
No but you seem to rely on ours. Why else did you have personel at Pine Gap?
>
> Yeah...I can see the headlines now...New Zealand Spy Plane Shot
Down.......
New Zealand? What does NZ have to do with Australia, you fucking dumbass?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Is that meant to be written laugh or something? Thats a new concept.
Axel Van Kampen
>
> >On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:38:39 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> ><spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
> >>news:r18psu4q8dulr9hut...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 23:06:00 -0600, Stephan Rothstein
> >>> <srot...@grandecom.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >I also notice that the Chinese have so far backed down
> >>> Well, they did return your plane I suppose. Have you managed to glue
> >>> it back together again yet?
> >>
> >>LOL
> >>
> >>Thats good, very good!
> >
> >It looks like it hit home too - none of them have been able to answer
> >me yet.
>
> And just how many spy planes does YOUR country have the guts to put up
over other
> countries to keep tabs on their military...or like the rest of the free
world...do you
> RELY on American intelligence gathering?????????
Much good it does you anyway. You couldn't predict any of the terror
attackes, September 11, USS Cole, all those embassies, etc, etc.......
So much for dumbass yank intellligence............
Fucking dumbass yanks!
photographer
>
You often are found to be in a state of shame when confronted with 'a
statement of facts'; so that question would be best answered by your
goodself.
photographer
"Xx GMT Master II xX" <nine...@aol.comXstangX> wrote in message
news:20021108230743...@mb-mg.aol.com...
> >From: "photographer" chrisphot...@hotmail.com
>
> >"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> >news:jhgosug93pbam2c1r...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 21:08:41 -0000, "photographer"
> >> <chrisphot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Sam A. Kersh" <csmk...@flash.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:gogmsu060rm21skhp...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:15:27 -0700, Jerry Can
> ><bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nanking in 1938 then move forward to Pearl, Battan, and the planned
> >> >> defense of the Home Island.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Ask my granddad; he was held at the Emperors 'pleasure' after the fall
of
> >> >Singapore.
> >>
> >> At least he lived through the experience. I would wager not all of his
> >> commrades did.
> >>
> >
> >Very true, he freely admitted that he would not have lasted much longer
> >though. The stories he told me are inspirational, in that he survived,
and
> >horrific, in that many did not and the manner they died. I recorded many
of
> >his reflections on tape. He was a great man, as were the men who did not
> >make it. I doubt that I would have had the courage to survive as he did.
He
> >came through all that and still had love in his heart. He inspired my
> >father, and many of my family, to enlist. I could not because of health
> >reasons.
>
> Chris, Monday Nov. 11th we will celebrate Veterans day here in the United
> States. I salute your grandfather and all those who have served their
> countries with honor. Very soon we will have no veterans left from WW II.
> It's important we don't forget what sacrifices were made on all sides,
military
> personnel as well as civilians sacrificed. It's important we don't forget
the
> suffering on both sides, both in the battlefields and at home. It's
important
> we don't let the alliances formed and the good will forged fade away in
these
> turbulent times. I fear we are on the road to another war with Iraq, and
your
> nation along with mine will do the brunt of the work. Hug a veteran on
Monday
> and say thanks. Thanks for what you did for me and for future
generations.
> ;-)
>
> Sara
I will do as you ask but, in the UK, we commemorate Remembrance Day this
Sunday (10th). So, as the Vets will be around London then, I will do it then
if that is OK. Poppies are sold to raise funds for the care of old/infirm
soldiers. Though I feel that more should be done by the Government and that
the funds raised by the sale of the poppies should be 'on top of'. I am for
the raising of 'extra' funds via the sale of the poppy as it reminds people
and allows some involvement. I just wish that our government did not forget
them. There is a pub near where I live that a few of the old soldiers have a
beer after the services. I try to buy a beer for them. Unfortunately, due to
old age, the 'round' is getting cheaper.
It does look as if we are heading down a path to war. Saddam will play for
time, as is usual, but I feel that he has played his last hand. I have a
member of my family who will be involved if war happens, so it is not an
easy time. Having said that he reminds us that he knew what may happen if he
joined up. It is what all his training is for after all and he takes it all
in his stride. It is the wait and see bit that gets to him most.
Sam A. Kersh
<spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>They don't need you to defend them. The Brits have always been tough in
>battle unlike your bubblegum army. Remember Vietnam? Remember Somalia?
Remember Dunkirk?
Sam A. Kersh
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Sam A. Kersh
<spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on, prove
>it
>> > to us!
>>
>> Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
>
>What does paygrade have to do with it? I'm just asking for proof, for you to
>backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing more
>than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
Something as lowly a you doesn't have a "Need to know." Just go collect
your dole and have a pint.
Axel Van Kampen
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:47 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >They don't need you to defend them. The Brits have always been tough in
> >battle unlike your bubblegum army. Remember Vietnam? Remember Somalia?
>
> Remember Dunkirk?
No. Where's Dunkirk? Somewhere in Europe I presume?
>
>
> Sam A. Kersh
> NRA Patron
> L.E.A.A. Life Member
> TSRA Life Member
> GOA, JPFO, SAF
Gee Sam! Are you a member of all that shit? Are they all orgs for gun crazed
maniacs likie yourself?
Axel Van Kampen
> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:09:07 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on,
prove
> >it
> >> > to us!
> >>
> >> Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
> >
> >What does paygrade have to do with it? I'm just asking for proof, for you
to
> >backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing
more
> >than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
>
> Something as lowly a you doesn't have a "Need to know." Just go collect
> your dole and have a pint.
"pint"? WTF is a "pint"?
You couldn't send us a nuke if your life depended on it!
Only small men need guns to feel big.
Xx GMT Master II xX
>> Yes, I can, but it's above your pay >> grade.
>
>What does paygrade have to do with it?
C L E A R A N C E S
I'm just asking for proof, for you to
>backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing more
>than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
Didn't I read somewhere that you were working or going to work in the US, Axel?
Why did you/did you consider coming to the US to work? Are you just a whore?
Is your wife?
-----------------
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" When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When
provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost,
go to any length, in pursuit of justice. " - L. Pitts, Jr.
Xx GMT Master II xX
>"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
>news:s65qsuogs5gt9jbp2...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:09:07 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
>> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on,
>prove
>> >it
>> >> > to us!
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
>> >
>> >What does paygrade have to do with it? I'm just asking for proof, for you
>to
>> >backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing
>more
>> >than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
>>
>> Something as lowly a you doesn't have a "Need to know." Just go collect
>> your dole and have a pint.
>
>"pint"? WTF is a "pint"?
Go into an english pub and order a pint of bitters and see whatcha get.
I'm beginning to seriously believe Axel ' really is this dumb'.
Gregory Procter
"Sam A. Kersh" wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:15:27 -0700, Jerry Can <bara...@yahooNOSPAM.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
> >
> >That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
>
> Read some history. the Japanese got what they deserved. Start with
> Nanking in 1938 then move forward to Pearl, Battan, and the planned
> defense of the Home Island.
If everyone got what they deserved, the USa would be a smoking ruin right
now.
Sid Viscous
>If everyone got what they deserved, the USa would be a smoking ruin right
>now.
Too bad you're powerless to do anything about it.
The Lone Weasel
news:7gjqsuo73sp5bp58p...@4ax.com:
So are we.
________________
12.19.01
"If this were a dictatorship, this would be a heck of a lot
easier." Chuckling, he added, "Just so long as I'm dictator."
- Bushbaby
http://www.nctimes.com/news/121900/t.html
--
Yours truly,
The Lone Weasel
DAVID
Sam A. Kersh
<spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
>news:2k5qsuclde181ib1d...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:47 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
>> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>> >They don't need you to defend them. The Brits have always been tough in
>> >battle unlike your bubblegum army. Remember Vietnam? Remember Somalia?
>>
>> Remember Dunkirk?
>
>No. Where's Dunkirk? Somewhere in Europe I presume?
Boy, the educational system in and around Melbourne must be antiquated.
Dunkirk is where the brits got kicked out the continent but the Nazi.
Sam A. Kersh
NRA Patron
L.E.A.A. Life Member
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GOA, JPFO, SAF
Sam A. Kersh
<spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:09:07 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
>> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on,
>prove
>> >it
>> >> > to us!
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
>> >
>> >What does paygrade have to do with it? I'm just asking for proof, for you
>to
>> >backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing
>more
>> >than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
>>
>> Something as lowly a you doesn't have a "Need to know." Just go collect
>> your dole and have a pint.
>
>"pint"? WTF is a "pint"?
>
Oh, you're too young to go to the neighborhood pub.
>You couldn't send us a nuke if your life depended on it!
>
WTF gave you the idea that I wanted to waste time and money on something
as insignificant as you?
>Only small men need guns to feel big.
You really need to read Freud. It's the fear of weapons that indicates
sexual deficiencies....
DAVID
replace them with new ones....
"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:38:39 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"OK" <n...@thisad.dress> wrote in message
> >news:r18psu4q8dulr9hut...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 23:06:00 -0600, Stephan Rothstein
> >> <srot...@grandecom.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I also notice that the Chinese have so far backed down
> >> Well, they did return your plane I suppose. Have you managed to glue
> >> it back together again yet?
> >
DAVID
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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DAVID
them with new state of the art ones....
DAVID
HAHAHAHAHA
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Axel Van Kampen
"DAVID" <sig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> You're jealousy is showing again ...........
Jealousy?
LOL
I used to live and work in your country, wanker!
Sid Viscous
>Sid Viscous <viscous@fifty_weight.com> wrote in
>news:7gjqsuo73sp5bp58p...@4ax.com:
>
>>> Gregory Procter <pro...@ihug.co.nz> wrote
>>> <3DCD4C8A...@ihug.co.nz> in talk.politics.guns. :
>>
>>>If everyone got what they deserved, the USa would be a smoking
>>>ruin right now.
>>
>> Too bad you're powerless to do anything about it.
>
>So are we.
If by "we" you mean Clueless Liberals and "disenfranchised" Democrats,
you'd be correct. You had your chance. It's up to the rest of us to
fix what you broke.
Axel Van Kampen
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:30:15 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> >news:2k5qsuclde181ib1d...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:47 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> >> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >They don't need you to defend them. The Brits have always been tough
in
> >> >battle unlike your bubblegum army. Remember Vietnam? Remember Somalia?
> >>
> >> Remember Dunkirk?
> >
> >No. Where's Dunkirk? Somewhere in Europe I presume?
>
> Boy, the educational system in and around Melbourne must be antiquated.
> Dunkirk is where the brits got kicked out the continent but the Nazi.
Why should I care about what the Brits did or didn't do? I've never even
been to the UK.
Remember Pearl Harbour?
Axel Van Kampen
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:31:38 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
> >news:s65qsuogs5gt9jbp2...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:09:07 +1100, "Axel Van Kampen"
> >> <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Can YOU prove that the weapons today work? If so, do it! Come on,
> >prove
> >> >it
> >> >> > to us!
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
> >> >
> >> >What does paygrade have to do with it? I'm just asking for proof, for
you
> >to
> >> >backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing
> >more
> >> >than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
> >>
> >> Something as lowly a you doesn't have a "Need to know." Just go
collect
> >> your dole and have a pint.
> >
> >"pint"? WTF is a "pint"?
> >
>
> Oh, you're too young to go to the neighborhood pub.
I go to the pub all the time but I've never of anything like a "pint".
>
> >You couldn't send us a nuke if your life depended on it!
> >
>
> WTF gave you the idea that I wanted to waste time and money on something
> as insignificant as you?
Has absolutely zilch to do with it! The question is COULD YOU. You couldn't!
You're just another lame ass yank!
Axel Van Kampen
> This coming from some one whose government wont let him have a gun....
No from someone who voted FOR gun control. Who celebrates the day when they
took the guns AWAY from all those gun crazed maniacs.
I don't want a gun so I don't care anyway. If I wanted one, I would be here
complaining that they took them away.
To me, you dumbass yanks are the fucking losers, you have to live in the gun
crazed place.
Have fun playing cowboys and indians! We Australians are now grown up and we
don't those childish things anymore.
When will YOU become civilised?
> HAHAHAHAHA
Are you imitating sheep or something?
Yardpilot
> > >
> > > "Yardpilot" <Yard...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tkZy9.68548$Lu1.51865@sccrnsc01...
> > > >
> > > > news:3DCB2C4F...@yahooNOSPAM.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Johnson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > nick wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Chris Fleitman wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2407807.stm
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>US military scores laser success
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>The US army has, for the first time, shot down an artillery
> shell
> > > in
> > > > > > >>>flight using a high-powered laser weapon.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>The laser tracked and locked on to the shell, before firing a
> > > stream
> > > > > > >>>of concentrated light energy photons and destroying it.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Don't get too excited, US weapons never work properly, you
> > > > > > >military/arms industry/terrorist Israeli friends just make up
the
> > > test
> > > > > > >results to screw more tax money out of you dimwits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The friendly fire opportunities for a laser could be exciting
> > though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our nukes work quite well. Ask the Japanese.
> > > > >
> > > > > That was rude, and you know it. You should be ashamed.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
prove
> it
> > > to us!
> >
> > Yes, I can, but it's above your pay grade.
>
> What does paygrade have to do with it?
Maybe it is above your paygrade to understand something even THAT simple.
> I'm just asking for proof, for you to
> backup your statement. After all, statement without back up is nothing
more
> than bullscheisse. Come one, send us one of your beloved nukes!
I'd love to, but you haven't the clearance. Besides, that would not be cost
effective.
>
>
Xx GMT Master II xX
>"Sam A. Kersh" <sam.a...@us.army.mil> wrote in message
One might think you'd care enough to know a bit of world history. Thanks for
clearing that up.
>Remember Pearl Harbour?
If you're going to cite something Axel old poof be sure you speel it propply.
Tis Pearl Harbor. You don't want the yanks spelling it Lundun, or Melburn do
ya, mate?
Xx GMT Master II xX
>"DAVID" <sig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> You're jealousy is showing again ...........
>
>Jealousy?
>LOL
>
>I used to live and work in your country, wanker!
You're a whore then. Willing to prostitute yourself for what? Money?
Training? What exactly caused you to drop all your lofty principles to come
and live and work in the horrible USA? I'm curious Axel as to what your "
price " ?
I anxiously await your response.
Yardpilot
"Axel Van Kampen" <spa...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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No. Where is that?
Sam A. Kersh
<spa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>Why should I care about what the Brits did or didn't do? I've never even
>been to the UK.
So? You're still their property.
liba...@yahoo.com
> > Why weren't they stopped at the border? How much was the pay off to
> > the Mounties to allow them in to blow up your biggest friend, ally and
> > trading partner? Were they reprimanded? Do they still have they're
> > jobs?
>
> I would hope not. Oh, by the way, it was YOUR border crossing that let them through. YOUR government runs
> the border crossing that allows or turns back people entering into the US. So, how much was the payoff to
> YOUR border personnel to allow them in to blow you up, our biggest friend, ally and trading partner? Were
> YOUR border personnel reprimanded? Do they still have their jobs?
Our personnel cought them!
> > > As far as terrorists, your country has cells everywhere,
> >
> > True. And we have been closing ours. Have you?
>
> Of course. Come on, we are allies, on the same side as you, remember?
>Or are you trying to make up new
> enemies now?
No way. We already have a steady flow of enemy's these days and don't
need anymore. Thanks for asking and we'll keep you in mind. Besides,
enemies with Canada would mean that we would have to redirect the
pipeline, plus we would have to beg New Zealand for their poorer
quality building materials and shit beer to make up for the nice stuff
you send us (GO MOLSON!), and they won't let our boats in to pick it
up to boot. This would mean we would have to hear Greg Proctor
laughing at us all the way to the bank. That would be bad.
> > >WAY more than in Canada.
> >
> > That you know of!
>
> Correct, that I know of. I had assumed that the US is more of a target for terrorists, thus more
> terrorists would set up shop there. I may be wrong, and for that I apologise.
Nah, we have cells galore so it would be obvious that they are/were
operating here most of all. Although our border is porous, it was easy
enough just to fly here and set up shop. I will add, though, that I
have met a lot of Muslims that were in this country illegally but they
sped home after 9/11.