nude beaches/parks and erections
arrow
our fist step into the world of nudsim by going to a nude resort for the
first time and be around other people who are nude.I have no problem with
being nude in front of people but I'm afraid that if an attractive woman
walks by i might get an erection.Are erections thought of as taboo or
offensive? I dont want to offend anyone.I'm faithful to my wife and would
never do anything to jeprodize my relationship, but after all I am a man and
this sort of thing might happen (erection). So If anyone else has had this
problem tell me what happened.
BertRutledge
stomach until it goes away. I am a member of a nudist club and have been to
several clubs and to nude beaches. It never happened to me and I never saw one.
Nudity has nothing to do with sex, erections happen in sexual situations. Go
and enjoy yourself.
Thomas Pitton
From: "arrow" <ar...@ulster.net>
Newsgroups: alt.nudism.moderated
To: <alt-nudism...@moderators.isc.org>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 11:18 PM
Subject: nude beaches/parks and erections
>Arrow said:
><snip>
>I have no problem with
> being nude in front of people but I'm afraid that if an attractive
woman
> walks by i might get an erection.Are erections thought of as taboo
or
> offensive?
>
Oh goody, it has been years since we've had the opportunity to let a
newbie know of our age-old nudist customs regard erections at CO
beaches and landed clubs/resorts. When we observe a man with an
erection, we all gather around him and laugh, ridicule and humiliate
him. Then, the women in the group engage in loud conversation about
the male's inadequacy (no matter what size he is) and then they run
around and get as many other women as possible to join the
festivities. We then all retire to the front office and get the
erectors information card. We determine where the birth parent(s) (if
any), wife, girl friend or partner of said male resides and we call
him/her/them up and inform them of the success of their
offspring/whatever.
If we can determine where this male of the species works, we send a
notice of his performance to his boss and request that the notice be
posted on the company bulletin board. We do the same for any civic,
cultural or fraternal organization that the man may be involved with.
We pay particular attention to sending similar notices to the schools
of any kids that the man has. If these possible kids are out of
school, we have a nationally recognized team of tracing agents who
will find these offspring and tell them about dad's *triumph*. If all
of this happens at a beach, our agents trace down the license plate
number of said male and do pretty much what I've already outlined
above. Hey, if it's cool for a man to get an erection in a social
setting of nudists when he observes a woman who turns him on, then it
must be equally OK to let anyone and everyone possible know of the
proud event, right? You can count on your nudist friends to certainly
do their very best to insure that you get all the attention and
national recognition you require and deserve. Why, we'll even put your
name on the national nudist watch list. Are we your thorough buddies
or what?
Please let us know which resort or beach your planning to visit so
that we can get a group together in advance of your trip. We don't
want to offend anyone either and we want to have a nice, large crowd
waiting for you when you do your stuff. Why, we'll even have a few
cameras present to record for posterity your proud event. Enjoy.
Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "arrow" <ar...@ulster.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.nudism.moderated
> To: <alt-nudism...@moderators.isc.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 11:18 PM
> Subject: nude beaches/parks and erections
> >Arrow said:
> ><snip>
> >I have no problem with
> > being nude in front of people but I'm afraid that if an attractive
> woman
> > walks by i might get an erection.Are erections thought of as taboo
> or
> > offensive?
> ><snip>
> >
It's considered lewd to openly display an erection at a nudist/naturist
venue. And lewd behavior WILL get you in trouble there. You can
usually avoid getting an erection by diverting your attention away from
whatever might be sexually arousing. If you get one anyway then
discreetly cover up to avoid giving offence.
Kathleen
to anyone wondering about erections. Just picture yourself in a speedo. The
same will happen to you if you are in one and the same can be seen and you
would have to act the same even if you had one on.
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
Cheri Alexander
nudism for themselves.
Anticipation is expected when you try something for the first time, be it
driving a new car, skydiving, or going to a nude beach or nudist
club/resort. The anticipation, apprehension (medically speaking) usually
prevents an erection from occurring. However, since bare etiquette demands
one sit on his or her own towel, should an erection occur, just cover up
since you don't want to offend anyone.
In my 30+ years of being a nudist and visiting more than 55 clubs, camps,
and resorts plus a few beaches, I've only witnessed it twice: once when
someone was sleeping and the second time the fellow was asked to cover up or
leave. I know it's a normal function, but it can and does offend some folk.
Regards, Cheri
arrow wrote in message ...
>My wife and I are both nudists and enjoy being nude. We have decided to
take
>our fist step into the world of nudsim by going to a nude resort for the
>first time and be around other people who are nude.I have no problem with
>being nude in front of people but I'm afraid that if an attractive woman
>walks by i might get an erection.Are erections thought of as taboo or
Fake Name
Umm... no...
When nude there is nothing to "hold it back". Even minimal clothing puts a
little pressure on the penis and that helps reduce the beginning stages and
often the whole event.
I have gotten half erections at nudist camps before... usually during a dance
with someone else. Though, somewhat embarassing (if you hardly know the other
person), but completely understandable (all men --- and probably most women
--- how often erections occur when dancing). What do I do? I ask the person to
kindly keep dancing with me, or help me walk to a less attended corner, laugh
it off, talk about everything but... whatever works. Also, most people won't
overreact if you come off a dance floor with a "semi".
In everyday situation at a camp: It rarely happens. Use the towel. Turn over
if lieing out. Take a cold shower! :)
I model as well. Last week, I modeled with another person --- a women. We
posed together standing where she stood to my side, facing me. She had her
hands and head resting on my right shoulder with both breasts coddling my
right arm. Whoa... this was difficult for me. I felt a slight stir. I mentally
focused on something completely different: believe it or not, I envision
elephants galloping across the savanna (don't ask why). Anyway, it worked.
Another solution is to "talk it down". Mentally yell at it to behave... It has
worked for me.
Anyway... it is no big deal... erections happen. If you don't deal with it...
the management will. If you make an effort to do something about it, generally
people don't get upset. Also, get to know people. If they are your friends,
they are more understanding.
Erections happen. I am dating someone right now... she understands that the
penis has a mind of its own. If it thinks it is about to have sex, it reacts
in such a way. It is not cheating... That's just the way it is.
I hope this helps... Don't let your fears prevent you from going. The first
time for me was one of the best decisions of my life. It could be yours as
well.
--
-----
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-Thomas Jefferson
-----
Kathleen
>
>When nude there is nothing to "hold it back". Even minimal clothing puts a
>little pressure on the penis and that helps reduce the beginning stages and
>often the whole event.
>
>
I stand corrected. nothing like a thoughtful male post for a male "happening"
Thanks for educating me.
A female ;-)
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
Thomas Pitton
"Kathleen" <okeef...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991128174954...@ng-fx1.aol.com...
Before one gets the idea that one is being sensitive to a "thoughtful"
male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
"understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney. What we are
talking about here, when we dig up verbiage for men with no self
respect, or who are tragically suffering from an emotional
disturbance, is just excuses and vindication. Anyone who says that an
organ of their body is somehow disconnected from the body, that's
nothing more than an excuse for men that make your spine crawl to act
out and allows them acceptance to act in the ways that they do. These
actors want you to believe that that the male organ is a separate
attachment with a *mind of it's own*. Those swallowing this hog-wash
need to hear that this false line of thinking is also part of what
those that want to limit nudity to the doctors office and the bedroom
use as a set-up to get their task done. These people plant the idea
that nude men and women can not be in the same company because poor
idiot men have no control of themselves. You know what I'm talking
about I'm sure. It's the old *Jimmy Swaggert Defense* visited upon the
nudist/naturist communities; "The devil made me do it, I couldn't help
myself".
Radical right wing writers and their followers seize upon these false
assertions about men, planted by those who are not to the point yet
where they finally realize they need the help of a counselor, a
pastor, or a professional mental heath professional and they grind
these stories up and spew out the claim that even a so called *nudist*
says that the male of the species has no control over themselves, so
we must not allow naked people to be together in mixed company. This
is part of the twisted reasoning behind the closing of such venues as
Hippy Hollow to our nudist/naturist children. This invented *jump on
the band wagon mentality* claims that males can't control themselves
and this is a fact and an issue (which is all false) and children most
certainly can't be allowed to be around naked males either. Again,
this is all a set up and pure hog-wash.
I've got to believe that those that innocently support this lack of
male control idiocy just don't have enough experience in the nudist
and naturist community to know that the many hundreds, perhaps
thousands of male role models in the community never think of or even
find it necessary to discus these issues within the community. They
act *right* all the time because that is the truly natural way for men
to act. This is all a non issue except in newsgroups and within
Internet cross-talk.
Part of the problem here is that when the *powers that be* opened the
doors of nudism and sent us down the corridor of nude recreation for
the sake of the bottom line, they also opened the door to sexual
recreationists online and that whole tribe of actors who spew junk
after garbage to justify actions that they have in the forefront of
their minds before even coming in our doors. You innocents buying
into the garbage, get out of the house, go to your local CO beach,
club, resort or whatever and align yourself with those that you see
concentrating on their own wholesome, non sexual nudist activities and
you will readily learn that the male (and female) role models among us
have no problem whatsoever with "control" of their emotions and/or
bodily functions.
As a true, card carrying, respectably acting male of the species for
going on sixty years, I take great offense in anyone setting up men as
*out of control* or as sexually deviant suspects as a group. When I
read this sort of tripe that I'm suppose to be and that we should
understand that men are, after all, nothing more than stone age
idiots, my heart just about drops through the floor. Families who
read this tripe about men with no control, don't you believe it. Don't
stop coming to the beaches and landed venues where we tend to gather
based upon false premise's and assumptions promoted by those that
don't know any better and those with hidden agendas.. If you've been
considering taking your family to one of our venues and have been
looking for good reason not to do so, you have not found one in this
totally false junk about men who supposedly as a group, don't have any
self control. It just isn't so.
If any poor creatures with these problems that are overwhelming and
consuming them ever gets up from behind his key board and infiltrates
us and attempts to act out the twisted fantasies they bring with them,
we will deal with those offending individuals and send them on their
way to the places where they are their fellow actors can entertain
each other. For the truly ill, I always carry a few business cards of
professionals known to treat such difficulties and I will be happy to
recommend one of these professionals who will gladly help you with
your
pain and suffering.
(I am) Proud to be a naturist and proud to be a man,
Tom
Allan Beatty
>
> Before one gets the idea that one is being sensitive to a "thoughtful"
> male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
> no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
> physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
> "understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney. What we are
> talking about here, when we dig up verbiage for men with no self
> respect, or who are tragically suffering from an emotional
> disturbance, is just excuses and vindication. Anyone who says that an
> organ of their body is somehow disconnected from the body, that's
> nothing more than an excuse for men that make your spine crawl to act
> out and allows them acceptance to act in the ways that they do. These
[and so on]
Well put, Tom.
But I only partly agree with it. I really do believe that there
are individual differences from one man to another. A first-time
visitor to a resort or a beach may understand that it is not a
sexual situation and may be determined to control himself, but it
could still take a little while for the message to get from the
cerebrum to the autonomic nervous system.
I've seen it happen a few times. And of course the world didn't
end just because a first-time visitor's erection was visible for
a few seconds before he got it under water or turned over on his
towel.
--
Allan Beatty
"Our God has no favorites" http://www.ames.net/uccmisu/
root
I am french, went to naturist beaches when I was 18 just to spot naked women
and I never had any erection to show at this time. But I saw WAY naked babes
(I still remember today). May be prettier than Miss July in 85 ' Playboy (the
one with sticky pages).
Right now I've turned 34 and, living in Japan, I often goes to 'onsen' or
public bath, which is a place where naked people gather to take a warm perfumed
relaxing bath. It's often separate for men and women, and I can only tell for
the man part; when you are relaxed, almost sleeping, it's common to have an
erection, and that shows only your level of relaxation, not your level of
sexual capabilities.
I can tell, I happened to have erections there and it wasn't caused at all by
the big sumo-wrestler guy soaking next to me.
One typical example is the well-known morning erection, which is not caused at
all by any sexual desire, but just because the penis natural way is to be
raisen up. The penis stays flacid only under consciousness control. This
explains also why some people (like me) starts to erect whenever they get rid
off their jockstrap, because they feel good and relaxed. Of course, it doesn't
mean they are ready to sexually assault the next mailbox coming around. For
instance, every morning, mine returns to a socially acceptable state when a
tiny voice says that I will be late to work again.
So erection is nothing to be afraid or to be ashamed of , in a regular social
situation.
Also it's a matter of fact that no women falls in deep-copulation mode whenever
a naked guy starts to show 12 oclock just by looking at her.
If it's the case, I would like to know her !
arrow
would start jumping on people and wanting to hump their legs or anything.
Its just a fact that I am young and able to acheive an erection and that if
a beautiful woman should talk to me or want to dance with me that a certain
part of my body might change shape.
I understand that some people have reached an age where erections are no
longer possible and they are probably the heros of all woman offended by
erections, but I am young and healthy and I do have erections.i have them in
public when walking through a mall or a store .If i see a beautiful woman in
a resterant i might get one but its conceled in my pants, the millions of
times this has happened I never once acted on my feelings because it was
just that, a feeling , a desire, ones that i have compleate controll over.
that is where control should be an issue, not trying to talk your erection
down thats not natural or trying to cover it up with a towel thats not
natural either we might as well just put our clothes back on and forget
about that whole idea of being free ..being natural .erections are natural!!
god bless the penis!!! god bless the erection!!!.
Allan Beatty <allan...@murraystate.alumniconnections.com> wrote in
message news:38432111...@murraystate.alumniconnections.com...
> Thomas Pitton wrote:
> >
> > Before one gets the idea that one is being sensitive to a "thoughtful"
> > male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
> > no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
> > physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
> > "understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney. What we are
> > talking about here, when we dig up verbiage for men with no self
> > respect, or who are tragically suffering from an emotional
> > disturbance, is just excuses and vindication. Anyone who says that an
> > organ of their body is somehow disconnected from the body, that's
> > nothing more than an excuse for men that make your spine crawl to act
> > out and allows them acceptance to act in the ways that they do. These
>
Henry Perkins
> Before one gets the idea that one is being sensitive to a "thoughtful"
> male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
> no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
> physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
> "understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney. What we are
> talking about here, when we dig up verbiage for men with no self
> respect, or who are tragically suffering from an emotional
> disturbance, is just excuses and vindication. Anyone who says that an
> organ of their body is somehow disconnected from the body, that's
> nothing more than an excuse for men that make your spine crawl to act
> out and allows them acceptance to act in the ways that they do. These
> actors want you to believe that that the male organ is a separate
> attachment with a *mind of it's own*. Those swallowing this hog-wash...
Gee, Tom, with all this angst I can understand why you've
never had a problem with an unwelcome erection. The penis is
an interesting organ, operating differently than most people
have thought until recently. Rather than being a meat muscle
that hoists on command, the penis naturally swells with blood
when it's relaxed. This is why drugs to control ED (erectile
disfunction) like Viagra work so well in men with high blood
pressure or anxiety disorders: they relax the muscles that are
choking off the blood supply to the genitals. This relaxation-
yields-erections formula also explains why men wake with wood,
and why alcohol (up to a point) helps to "stimulate" when it's
actually sedating.
It takes muscular exertion to prevent erections. Most of
the time you don't notice this small amount of muscle tension.
It's exactly the same mechanism that works on a cool day to
squeeze blood away from the periphery and keep your insides
warm; you don't notice your muscles are working until you're
starting to shiver.
So, Tom, if you're REALLY relaxed being nude in public,
erections will occur. If you're conscious there are lots of
things that you can do about it. On the low-exertion end of
the scale you can just lie face down to hide it and resume
your sun worship. You can use voluntary muscular exercise to
handle the problem. Or you can get those involuntary muscles
into the act by jumping into cold water. In Tom's case, the
remedy seems to be hypertension. :-)
If someone's asleep in the sun, I say just let them be.
Since we know that their erection is due to relaxation rather
than stimulation, it's not sexual. Since it's not sexual,
there's no reason for anyone to take offense. But be a good
neighbor and wake them before they burn, please. An erection
also maximizes the amount of sensitive skin exposed to the
sun. :-(
It's never too late to start procrastinating. Do it this epoch!
-- Henry Perkins (f...@dnai.com)
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>Isnt being sexually excited just as natural as being nude
Yes it is. And so is passing gas.
Just as I hope you will do the polite thing when one occurs, so too I hope
you will do the polite thing when the other does.
Just because something is natural doesn't make it appropriate in nudist
contexts.
>god bless the penis!!! god bless the erection!!!.
perhaps you should forget nudism and go find a lingus to worship.
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"arrow" <ar...@ulster.net> wrote:
> My wife and I are both nudists and enjoy being nude. We have decided
to take
> our fist step into the world of nudsim by going to a nude resort for
the
> first time and be around other people who are nude.I have no problem
with
> being nude in front of people but I'm afraid that if an attractive
woman
> walks by i might get an erection.Are erections thought of as taboo or
> offensive? I dont want to offend anyone.I'm faithful to my wife and
would
> never do anything to jeprodize my relationship, but after all I am a
man and
> this sort of thing might happen (erection). So If anyone else has had
this
> problem tell me what happened.
>
>
years now) I was so nervous that I couldn't have gotten an erection if
I had wanted to. Many other guys have told me the same thing.
I guess if you're going to "just" practice nudism you wouldn't have any
problem.
If some one (not you) were going there looking for something else, then
that may be a different story. I can't say that I have ever seen that
happen, but I don't look for it either.
Enjoy yourself and don't worry about it and you will be fine.
Happy Holidays
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Before you buy.
ArdenBur
>From: "Thomas Pitton" t.pi...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: Sat, 27 November 1999 11:47 AM EST
Assuming that this guy was for real you were sure very rude, how about some
polite encouragement?
El Dorado Hot Spring
> In article <s3umcj...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "arrow" <ar...@ulster.net> wrote:
> > after all I am a
> man and
> > this sort of thing might happen (erection).
Remember this: you CAN NOT have an erection unless your brain sends the
proper
signal to the necessary body parts.
Tell yourself ahead of time and when you arrive it's not going to happen
and it won't.
El Dorado
Fake Name
>
> Before one gets the idea that one is being sensitive to a "thoughtful"
> male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
> no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
> physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
> "understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney. What we are
> talking about here, when we dig up verbiage for men with no self
> respect, or who are tragically suffering from an emotional
> disturbance, is just excuses and vindication. Anyone who says that an
> organ of their body is somehow disconnected from the body, that's
> nothing more than an excuse for men that make your spine crawl to act
> out and allows them acceptance to act in the ways that they do. These
> actors want you to believe that that the male organ is a separate
> attachment with a *mind of it's own*. Those swallowing this hog-wash
> need to hear that this false line of thinking is also part of what
> those that want to limit nudity to the doctors office and the bedroom
> use as a set-up to get their task done. These people plant the idea
> that nude men and women can not be in the same company because poor
> idiot men have no control of themselves. You know what I'm talking
> about I'm sure. It's the old *Jimmy Swaggert Defense* visited upon the
> nudist/naturist communities; "The devil made me do it, I couldn't help
> myself".
[and so on...]
*sigh*
Let's set a few things straight:
I am not an inexperienced nudist
(many years myself, and my love has been her whole life... her
father confirms my comments apply to lifelong nudists as
well --- even for a guy over 60 --- he still gets his random
erections).
I am not a sexual deviant (whatever that is).
I don't see nudity in a sexual context... unless I am being sexual of
course.
I am sure some men don't have the same "issues" with their penis as
others do. Is a spontaneous, for no discernable reason erection
necessarily a sexual event? Of course not, and, I would wager most men
would agree with me. Again, if other men have not ever had spontaneous
erections, then they wouldn't understand.
I remember my "worst" year: 8th grade. ANY... and I mean ANY stimulation
would mean an erection for me. The ride to school on a bus, the motion
of my jeans when walking, a nice gentle breeze. It was tramatizing for
me. I had a zillion erections a day, and didn't know what to do about
it. Was I sexually disfunctional? No... probably the opposite. It
happens. It still happens occassionally today. I will be driving to work
and boom... there it is. It happens. It isn't necessarily sexual.
The whole "mind of its own" is how men describe this event: "my penis is
excited and I have no clue why..." It is not an excuse. It is just the
way it is. If you have never experienced it, well, I don't know why
either. It happens to most of us... maybe that is why you are so angry.
How do I know this occurs with other men? Because men joke about it...
talk about it... etc.
The spontaneity of the event, of course, that is why men fear it at a
nudist camp or beach. Yes, men are afraid the occasional stray sexual
thought might trigger it (and if you do not have a stray sexual thought
occassionally, you're delusional), but I think the bigger fear that most
men have is the "random erection". It happens. And when one is naked in
the breeze for the first time... it is even more likely. If it has never
happened to you... well... again, I don't know what that means.
In, my previous post, I mentioned techniques to try to quell this event.
If you were offended, I am sorry. I didn't mean to offend... you are
simply mistaken. I have been put in situations that my body responds to
sexually (the model pose, and sometimes dancing). If you think this is
unnatural, or a sign of lost control... well, it simply isn't. We all
have these feelings, and sometimes, they will lead to the ever
embarassing erection (or half-erection which is more often the case). My
mind says no, but my body (aka penis) says yes. This is biology, not
philosophy. I am not jumping on anyone... it happens... Again, if it
hasn't ever happened to you... you are one in a million. And this is not
a male only thing. Women feel it as well. It just don't physically show
itself to the embarassment of the woman.
I was just trying to help out another individual deal with (and it is
"deal with" because, again, it does happen to the rest of us) with a
potential, yet rarely occurring event. It's hormonal, natural, and
understandable, it is rude if not dealt with. Noone said any
differently.
Oh, and it didn't take me 60 years to figure this out.
My closing remarks are to the poor fellow that probably read your post:
Go to the camp or beach. Your anxiety will probably quell any
possibility of an erection. No you are NOT a sexual deviant or without
control if one occurs. If you ARE a sexual deviant, then you are not
welcome... nudism is not about sexuality... it is a seperate issue.
Finally, once you get used to been naked in the open, in front of
people, and in a nice gentle breeze, you have no fears... That will take
about 15-30 minutes I believe (rough guess), and in the meantime you'll
be too anxious for anything to happen. I never got one the first time I
"got naked" and if you ask around, most men didn't. If you do... no
sweat... just do what myself and many others have done... IT IS NO BIG
DEAL.
And, don't listen to clueless people... they are few and far between...
but REALLY LOUD! :)
P.S. To the moderators: sorry if I sounded angry... I was... someone
slapped me for no reason. He may have just misunderstood me. Oh well, he
bit... I bit back.
El Dorado Hot Spring
Thomas Pitton <t.pi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
> Before one gets the idea that one is being sensitive to a "thoughtful"
> male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
> no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
> physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
> "understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney.
Tom is exactly correct. The erection (or lack of) is under COMPLETE control
of the man who
WANTS to control it.
For more than 12 years, we've slow danced skin to skin with each other and
with other partners and we've fast danced with other partners with none of
the males ever raising an erection.
El Dorado
El Dorado Hot Spring
arrow <ar...@ulster.net> wrote in article
<s48136...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Isnt being sexually excited just as natural as being nude.
It may be natural, but it's not accepted in this society.
> Its not like I
> would start jumping on people and wanting to hump their legs or anything.
Good.
> Its just a fact that I am young and able to acheive an erection and that
if
> a beautiful woman should talk to me or want to dance with me that a
certain
> part of my body might change shape.
>
> I understand that some people have reached an age where erections are no
> longer possible
Well, Bill is old and can still have an erection any time he WANTS to, when
it
the proper accepted time -- in private, where it doesn't give us a bad
name.
And remember, Arrow, the people trying (and succeeding in some cases) to
outlaw us can read (and repeat and blow all out of proportion) what people
are posting here in favor of public erections. It won't win us any friends.
Camilla Van Sickle
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Spring
Fake Name
> > male poster, this entire line of *reasoning* that a man has little to
> > no control over himself and requires various forms of mental and
> > physical subterfuge to gain that control and that we need to
> > "understand" these male difficulties, I say baloney.
>
> of the man who
> WANTS to control it.
That is simply incorrect... Maybe it is an age thing, but I hate to
think that one would forget. Talk to other men. It happens to others. I
am not saying that this is an everyday thing (though it was when I was
young). I am just saying it occasionally happens. And believe me I WANT
to control it --- and do 90% of the time. Do you really think I enjoy
having to hide it?
> For more than 12 years, we've slow danced skin to skin with each other and
> with other partners and we've fast danced with other partners with none of
> the males ever raising an erection.
I have never gotten an erection fast dancing and only rarely slow
dancing. How about the ones you've slow danced with. My girlfriend says
that in is not overly uncommon for a man to get a slight erection when
dancing with her. I haven't asked her about an age breakdown.
Fake Name
>
> <s48136...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Isnt being sexually excited just as natural as being nude.
>
> It may be natural, but it's not accepted in this society.
Heh, neither is nudity... That argument simply doesn't work well in this
newsgroup. And unlike the fart analogy that someone mentioned, an
erection don't smell hideously or rudely interrupt conversations! :)
> > Its just a fact that I am young and able to acheive an erection and that
> if
> > a beautiful woman should talk to me or want to dance with me that a
> certain
> > part of my body might change shape.
> >
> > I understand that some people have reached an age where erections are no
> > longer possible
>
> Well, Bill is old and can still have an erection any time he WANTS to, when
> it
> the proper accepted time -- in private, where it doesn't give us a bad
> name.
You miss the point... it is right beside the dead, well-beaten, horse
over there.
> And remember, Arrow, the people trying (and succeeding in some cases) to
> outlaw us can read (and repeat and blow all out of proportion) what people
> are posting here in favor of public erections. It won't win us any friends.
Rescan some of your posts... and take what you have just said here to
heart.
cyndiann
Fake Name <f...@anywhere.com> wrote in message
news:3844BBCE...@anywhere.com...
Thank you for presenting the other side of the coin. I think that we
shouldn't assume that if we personally don't have a particular problem that
it doesn't exist. I have seen some really nice people who have had
difficulties with this and I would hardly call them sexually deviant. I
believe in tolerance and understanding in these situations, and so far, I
haven't been proven wrong by those who have trouble with control over their
erections. Untimely erections are probably the biggest worry of men
considering giving nudism a try, and we need to encourage them that honest
attempts to control them will be all that is necessary and that should that
rare erection occur, they will live through it, hopefully without someone
accusing them of being deviant.
cyndiann
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El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Person Without A Real Name,
This is a person with a real name making this post. My name is Bill
Pennington.
You can talk about it until the cows come home, but one thing is true -- if
we men don't control ourselves, someone else will try to, such as by NO
NUDE DANCING at the nudist resort where "Everything can be done nude" and
where you can "Live Nude" and where "Nude Is The Norm" and where "Nudity Is
Required" and "Nudity Is Expected" [except you can't dance nude because a
few men can't control themselves.]
Baby men can't control their penises when it comes to urination and other
things.
Mature men can control their penises. Believe it or not, even the
'involuntary' pressure erection or sleeping erection (caused by the bladder
becoming full of urine) can be kept down if the owner of the penis is in
enough contact with his body.
No, guys, the devil doesn't make us do it, and all those intelligent (and
attractive) women don't make us do it -- if it happens, WE make us do it.
Only WE can stop what's destructive to us all and is the fastest way to
close nude beaches other than same sex public sex.
Real Na...@El-Dorado.com
Fake Name <f...@anywhere.com> wrote in article
<3844BBCE...@anywhere.com>...
Mighty CheefDan![tm] Defender of Nudity![tm]
>> Tom is exactly correct. The erection (or lack of) is under COMPLETE
control
>> of the man who
>> WANTS to control it.
>
>That is simply incorrect... Maybe it is an age thing, but I hate to
>think that one would forget.
Let's put it this way...
a man may not always be able to stop one from happening, but he can
certainly do things to discourage, and can also act appropriately on the
rare occasion where discouragement many not be enough.
Mighty CheefDan![tm] Defender of Nudity![tm]
>And unlike the fart analogy that someone mentioned, an
>erection don't smell hideously or rudely interrupt conversations! :)
I don't disagree on the smell issue,
but an erection can indeed rudely interrupt a conversation.
In any case, I think many people in this thread are arguing over something
irrelevant... namely how much control a man has over getting an erection.
What is relevant is how a man behaves *if* he gets an erection.
Cantrell
are the functions of any number of organs that operate by will alone such as
the beating heart or blush response.
Patrick
> I suppose a nocturnal erection is brought about by will alone too. -- As
> are the functions of any number of organs that operate by will alone such as
> the beating heart or blush response.
You are born with a lot of natural abilities - many of which you can
learn to control. I've heard of yogis, free divers, and others who
acquire the ability to slow their heart rate and respiration. It may
even be possible to acquire some control over dreams, if you wish. As
an adult, you're expected to satisfy your waking needs in ways that
don't cause harm, especially to others. Sexual arousal may not always
be totally under your control but sexual activity can certainly be
restricted to appropriate places.
Rich Pasco
> This is a person with a real name making this post. My name is Bill
> Pennington....
> Mature men can control their penises....
I too have a real name -- Rich Pasco -- and I strongly disagree.
If someone placed a gun to your head and told you that he would kill
you unless you produced an erection in one minute (without touch) I
doubt that you could.
Although it may not be so for you, there are some men who get
spontaneous erections (without touch). Some of them are nudists.
I know one, and have had had extensive dialogs with him about it.
Those who understand and comply with naturist etiquette, roll over face
down, carry a strategic towel, or go into the pool until it subsides, so
you've probably never noticed them. On the other hand, you may have
noticed men who deliberately flaunt an erection to get attention--but
they're not the ones I'm writing about.
The fact that you have no personal experience, and haven't had the
problem yourself, does not mean it doesn't happen--for some men.
Not all men's bodies are like yours.
- Rich
El Dorado Hot Spring
El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in article
<01bf3e13$c7dfd8e0$d3ae30d0@camilla-bill>...
Dear Rich,
> I too have a real name -- Rich Pasco
We're certainly glad of that, otherwise we wouldn't know what how to
address you.
Seriously, what does the group think of using real names here, or at least
knowing
the real names of the people we post to, even if they use a pseudonym
online?
> -- and I strongly disagree.
> If someone placed a gun to your head and told you that he would kill
> you unless you produced an erection in one minute (without touch) I
> doubt that you could.
Bill believes he might be able to, but wouldn't bet $$ on it.
He easily could in five minutes and would bet big $$ on that.
The additional four minutes are needed because of advancing age.
However, that's not a circumstance under which one normally produces an
erection
and certainly not one a person would be likely to run into at a naturist
venue.
> Although it may not be so for you, there are some men who get
> spontaneous erections (without touch). Some of them are nudists.
> I know one, and have had had extensive dialogs with him about it.
Yes, you are correct; I'd forgotten about the spontaneous erection.
> Those who understand and comply with naturist etiquette, roll over face
> down, carry a strategic towel, or go into the pool until it subsides, so
> you've probably never noticed them. On the other hand, you may have
> noticed men who deliberately flaunt an erection to get attention--but
> they're not the ones I'm writing about.
Yes; knowing one's body and taking responsible actions is the best way
and you've given a good example here.
> The fact that you have no personal experience, and haven't had the
> problem yourself, does not mean it doesn't happen--for some men.
> Not all men's bodies are like yours.
True. They're probably glad of that! |:)
We just came in from our evening soak; while soaking, BION, not ten
minutes
ago
we were talking about how level, steady, and pithy-while-salient your
posts
generally
are. Congratulations, Rich; you've posted another jewel.
C&B
cyndiann
El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
news:01bf3ee4$774a8020$c03084ce@camilla-bill...
>
> Seriously, what does the group think of using real names here, or at
least
> knowing
> the real names of the people we post to, even if they use a pseudonym
> online?
>
I think we have all decided for all kinds of reasons which name we would
like to use here and elsewhere, and that it is a personal decision to be
made individually. Why do handles bother you so?
cyndiann
Jim Owens
> in sexual situations. Go
Actually, this is not entirely true. Erections are
not always about sex either. I often get what I call
"uncomfortable" erections, ie. erections when I am
emotionally distressed. I have gotten them before at
nude areas, and you just have to sit down, hide it
between your legs, and wait for it to pass. For
example, when I was young, I first heard about the
French Revolution and people being beheaded. As a
writer, I have a vivid imaginiation, and that made me
VERY uncomfortable. An erection might result. It
doesn't HAVE to involve sex -- just distress. But the
treatment is the same.
=====
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opinion of Western Civilization.
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Kathleen
say that they can just think themselves into not having them belittles the
people who can not.
There are men that wake up with erections, who can't seem to "think" them down
untill they wander over to the toilet.
There are children, as little as tiny babies that get erections.
There ARE people who find it difficult to separate sexual feelings--probably
hardest for teens or younger adults and they need advice dealing with that. I
thank those people who answered the question with compassion. As a woman who
does not have the problem BUT is a single mother to 4 boys, those of you who
had kind considerate compassionate things to say were most helpful.
I thank you.
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
Kathleen
>> in sexual situations.
Then why do male babies get them?
Why does my brother in law who is a quadrapalegic get one whenever his nurse
attendant whether male or female changes his urine bag?
Kathleen
"Counting My Blessings!"
Richard Kenner
>I think we have all decided for all kinds of reasons which name we would
>like to use here and elsewhere, and that it is a personal decision to be
>made individually. Why do handles bother you so?
I'll tell you why it bothers me *some*. I think the lack of direct
personal accountability has been one of the major reasons for the decline
of "signal" on USEnet. In the early days, all users had accounts that were
their real names (or sometime initials) at the companies they worked for or
the schools they went to. My account is one of the "old style" accounts.
It's trivial to figure out who I am, where I am, who I work for and such.
That means I have to take responsibility for what I post. If I post junk
or say something offensive or make a personal attack on somebody, I have to
be responsibile for it. That's, in my opinion, as it should be. I
strongly believe that the flip side of freedom of speech is taking
responsibility for that speech.
With the growth of ISPs and "handles" (as you put it), there is no longer
significant personal accountability. Yes, if you libel me and I want to
sue you, there is a way I can force your ISP to disclose your name an
address, so there is *some* accountability, but it's only in the most
eggregious cases and I'd have to go to a lot of trouble. That limits the
accountability considerably, though not nearly as much as nearly untracable
anonymous posters.
Also, to bring it more back on topic, when somebody in this newsgroup
conceals their name, they are sending the message (whether they mean to or
not) that being a nudist is something to be ashamed of and it's precisely
that sort of thing that's a major barrier to wider acceptance of nudism in
the uS.
Patrick McNamee
near the base of the spinal cord. I'm not exactly sure how this works, but it
explains how erections can occur in non-sexual situations.
I remember seeing an interview on TV with actor Christopher Reeve, after an
accident that paralyzed him from the neck down (or was it his waist?). One of
the things he mentioned towards the end was that certain sexual function was
still possible for him.
Patrick
cyndiann
El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> MWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
>
> You are a jewel! You said it so well!
>
> Hiding makes them think we're doing something that needs to be hidden.
>
> "Come down from your fences, open the gate....." The Eagles.
>
> El Dorado
>
But El Dorado isn't your name......
cyndiann
Richard Kenner <ken...@lab.ultra.nyu.edu> wrote in message
news:kUz24.19$QT1....@typhoon.nyu.edu...
> In article <82dt8s$m6d$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> "cyndiann"
<cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> writes:
> >I think we have all decided for all kinds of reasons which name we would
> >like to use here and elsewhere, and that it is a personal decision to be
> >made individually. Why do handles bother you so?
>
> I'll tell you why it bothers me *some*. I think the lack of direct
> personal accountability has been one of the major reasons for the decline
> of "signal" on USEnet.
But I am even better known by cyndiann than by my real name. I have been
approached several times at nudist venues by people asking if I was
cyndiann. They know me by the pictures I post of myself online, or by my
habit of wearing purple hats. In my case, and in the case of most that I
know online, I have been accountable for everything said and done by my
online personality. I don't think it is a matter of who you present yourself
as, but what you do with it. This covers those that use real names as well
as those that use handles. Just because I start posting as Cyndi Phillips
doesn't mean I would be any more truthful about what I post. Or more
accountable either.
(you know who)
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Jim,
Jim Owens <gym...@yahoo.com> wrote in article
<199912051515...@web218.mail.yahoo.com>...
> > Nudity has nothing to do with sex, erections happen
> > in sexual situations. Go
As a man who can make an erection happen through thought and think it down
through thought (nothing unpleasant of distracting, just telling it to go
down), I'd like to ask you if
you ever tried that. Just think of it as small and think thoughts: "Go
Down. Become Small. Don't be Erect."
> Actually, this is not entirely true. Erections are
> not always about sex either. I often get what I call
> "uncomfortable" erections, ie. erections when I am
> emotionally distressed. I have gotten them before at
> nude areas, and you just have to sit down, hide it
> between your legs, and wait for it to pass. For
> example, when I was young, I first heard about the
> French Revolution and people being beheaded. As a
> writer, I have a vivid imaginiation, and that made me
> VERY uncomfortable. An erection might result. It
> doesn't HAVE to involve sex -- just distress. But the
> treatment is the same.
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Spring
cyndiann <cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> wrote in article
<82dt8s$m6d$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
> news:01bf3ee4$774a8020$c03084ce@camilla-bill...
> >
> > Seriously, what does the group think of using real names here, or at
> least
> > knowing
> > the real names of the people we post to, even if they use a pseudonym
> > online?
> I think we have all decided for all kinds of reasons which name we would
> like to use here and elsewhere, and that it is a personal decision to be
> made individually. Why do handles bother you so?
Except that they tend to be connected to childish or disorganized, abused
fora, such as CB channel 19, handles don't bother us at all, though some
people use them because the think that's the only way it can be done or
they do it because others do it. Others use them to hide and abuse -- look
at wrecked.nude. Thank the gods this board is moderated.
We think there are some who'd use their names if they knew they could. Are
there any of you out there or are we off base on this?
What we mean is we'd feel more comfortable knowing who we're posting to and
where they're from, even if they chose to use a handle online.
For instance, a person might feel differently about posting (or might not
post at all) if they knew that Banjo Eyes was Herb next door rather than
someone who claimed to live in a distant city.
Put another way, we really can't figure out why someone wouldn't want to
use their name, though we know personally of some horror stories.
We're wondering if anyone else feels the same. After all, many nudists have
said, "We have nothing to hide."
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Richard,
MWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
You are a jewel! You said it so well!
Hiding makes them think we're doing something that needs to be hidden.
"Come down from your fences, open the gate....." The Eagles.
El Dorado
Richard Kenner <ken...@lab.ultra.nyu.edu> wrote in article
<kUz24.19$QT1....@typhoon.nyu.edu>...
> In article <82dt8s$m6d$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net> "cyndiann"
<cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> writes:
> >I think we have all decided for all kinds of reasons which name we would
> >like to use here and elsewhere, and that it is a personal decision to be
> >made individually. Why do handles bother you so?
>
> I'll tell you why it bothers me *some*. I think the lack of direct
> personal accountability has been one of the major reasons for the decline
El Dorado Hot Spring
We surprised that, after all this time, you didn't know that our names are
Camilla Van Sickle & Bill Pennington and we often use them in posts.
Most people know we own El Dorado, though we're not (yet) quite as well
known as Barbara & Dean Hadley or Hugo Forester.
May we ask, is Cyndiann your real name?
We live on 41225 Indian School Road in Tonopah, Arizona, 85354. Our phone
number is 623-393-0750. We believe that sincere naturists have nothing to
hide and that those who hide do so because they have something to hide
The point we're trying to make here is that in a good clean forum such as
this one, we'd feel better if we knew to whom we were posting.
Camilla Van Sickle & Bill Pennington
El Dorado
cyndiann <cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> wrote in article
<82fc10$dm4$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
>
cyndiann
El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
>
> We surprised that, after all this time, you didn't know that our names are
> Camilla Van Sickle & Bill Pennington and we often use them in posts.
I never said I didn't know your names. I said you use a handle too, then
complain that others do.
>
> Most people know we own El Dorado, though we're not (yet) quite as well
> known as Barbara & Dean Hadley or Hugo Forester.
I knew that too, but you are still posting with a handle. Owning El Dorado
gives you the freedom to post openly, since you have no textile job to
protect. Others are not so fortunate.
>
> May we ask, is Cyndiann your real name?
It is a nickname....full version would be Cynthia Ann, so in some ways, yes,
that is my real name, the name I am known by. Not many people go by their
full given name at any time.
>
> We live on 41225 Indian School Road in Tonopah, Arizona, 85354. Our phone
> number is 623-393-0750. We believe that sincere naturists have nothing to
> hide and that those who hide do so because they have something to hide
Using a handle does not necessarily mean you are hiding anything. It is
sometimes a way to stand out actually. Can you imagine how many people named
Bill are online? There are tons of people named Cyndi or Cindy as well, but
as far as I know there is but one Cyndiann.
>
> The point we're trying to make here is that in a good clean forum such as
> this one, we'd feel better if we knew to whom we were posting.
Why? Would your opinions change?
>
> Camilla Van Sickle & Bill Pennington
> El Dorado
>
Some people have had some rather nasty incidents come about online and
would rather their real identity not be revealed. I think using handles is
rather creative, and it can be protective. I know more than a few nudists
that feel they can't reveal their whole identity because of job
considerations or family that wouldn't understand. I am sure you are
familiar with the old policy of using only first names at nudist venues for
privacy. This is just that same chain of thought moved into cyberspace.
cyndiann
Sudsy
Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you on this point. It's one thing to
reveal personal details in a face-to-face forum, but the current state of
society in the U.S. is such that most people are loathe to reveal any
personal information on-line. In the same way that I won't use my real
name on an insecure form, I'm not about to expose myself to anonymous
individuals on the 'net. I'm hardly ashamed of being a nudist, as my friends,
family and co-workers can readily attest. I just don't choose to let
complete strangers have a way to track me down IRL. Perhaps I'm
being overly cautious, but then someone tried to break into my house
a couple of weeks ago, so I believe that one has to protect oneself.
The truth is that crazy things happen on a regular basis here in the States
and it's incumbent on all of us to defend ourselves however we see fit.
w10...@my-deja.com
"El Dorado Hot Spring" <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote:
> As a man who can make an erection happen through thought and think it
down
> through thought (nothing unpleasant of distracting, just telling it to
go
> down), I'd like to ask you if
> you ever tried that. Just think of it as small and think thoughts:
"Go
> Down. Become Small. Don't be Erect."
Wayne replies:
Thoughts like this tend to have the OPPOSITE effect for many men who
have unwanted erections. Thinking about it (regardless of the thoughts)
is likely to CAUSE an erection. I have an easy time avoiding erections
at nude beaches, hot springs, etc. In those situations it's easy to
relax and think about other things. I have a hard time avoiding
erections in a shower because when I'm washing my body it's really hard
not to think about the body. The majority of men probably cannot
comprehend it, but significant minority of men cannot THINK themselves
out of getting an erection. On the contrary, thinking about it is
guaranteed to cause and erection.
Wayne Estes
Mundelein, IL, USA
w10...@my-deja.com
"El Dorado Hot Spring" <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote:
>
> the proper signal to the necessary body parts.
>
> Tell yourself ahead of time and when you arrive it's not going to
> happen and it won't.
>
> El Dorado
Do you also think everybody can:
1. Not be nervous by deciding not to be nervous.
2. Not blush by deciding not to blush.
Erections are one of MANY physical reactions that are not under 100%
conscious control.
Wayne Estes
Mundleein, IL, USA
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Wayne,
w10...@my-deja.com wrote in article <82hfrf$4u7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> Do you also think everybody can:
> 1. Not be nervous by deciding not to be nervous.
> 2. Not blush by deciding not to blush.
No, but positive can pay off and practice often leads to perfect.
> Erections are one of MANY physical reactions that are not under 100%
> conscious control.
Yes sometimes there are spontaneous happenings, but for those in touch with
their body, in the vast majority of cases they are under mental (instead of
"conscious") control. For instance, in recent years, without even trying, I
developed the ability to avoid a nocturnal pressure erection which happens
naturally to prevent men from emptying their bladders while asleep. And no,
I haven't wet the bed. At first I thought it might have been caused by a
swollen prostate, common in men my age, but everything is working fine in
that area.
Blaming something or someone else is all too common these days.
If we take more responsibility for our own actions and choices, we'll
become
a more responsible society.
Have faith in oneself and in one's god(s) and one can accomplish much! Do
your best and god will do the rest.
Bill Pennington
El Dorado Hot Spring
Dear Wayne,
We think you're correct and we think more non sexual nudity at home, in the
media, and on the beach, more chaste naturism,
would bring about solutions and prevent the problem from coming up.
C&B
w10...@my-deja.com wrote in article <82he1e$3k2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <01bf3f89$ab9b14c0$323184ce@camilla-bill>,
> "El Dorado Hot Spring" <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote:
>
> > As a man who can make an erection happen through thought and think it
> down
> > through thought (nothing unpleasant of distracting, just telling it to
> go
> > down), I'd like to ask you if
> > you ever tried that. Just think of it as small and think thoughts:
> "Go
> > Down. Become Small. Don't be Erect."
>
> Wayne replies:
> Thoughts like this tend to have the OPPOSITE effect for many men who
> have unwanted erections. Thinking about it (regardless of the thoughts)
> is likely to CAUSE an erection. I have an easy time avoiding erections
> at nude beaches, hot springs, etc. In those situations it's easy to
> relax and think about other things. I have a hard time avoiding
> erections in a shower because when I'm washing my body it's really hard
> not to think about the body. The majority of men probably cannot
> comprehend it, but significant minority of men cannot THINK themselves
> out of getting an erection. On the contrary, thinking about it is
> guaranteed to cause and erection.
>
> Wayne Estes
> Mundelein, IL, USA
Ken Kelly
livelihood) and they do sign as Camilla and Bill - singley at times, and
other times, jointly - or use their initials (that cute C&B). They post
frequently on what seem to be dozens of servers and their pictures have been
printed in numerous publications.
These people are notorious!! And that notoriety is their identity!
John Wayne wasn't; Cary Grant wasn't; Rock Hudson wasn't - yet we all knew
them.
-- And I'm known everywhere (but who cares?) as
-Ken Kelly-
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some of his previous posts.
Total mind/body control over things like erections, blushing, etc. is a
desirable goal, and possibly is a frequent outcome of the long-term
practice of nudism. Like Bill said, practice often leads to perfect.
But such mind/body control is NOT extremely common in the general
population, and it should NOT be a prerequisite to participate in
nudism. People who loudly state that ALL erections are voluntary may be
speaking the truth for themselves, but not for the general population.
You cannot make a conclusion about the male population based on what you
see at a nude beach because the population on a nude beach is a
"filtered" sample of the general population. Erections are indeed rare
on nude beaches. The reason erections are so rare on nude beaches is
because the large percentage of men who get involuntary erections DON'T
GO to nude beaches. I suspect that's the biggest reason why the "under
30" crowd is poorly represented at nude venues. As a group, young men
are far more likely to experience involuntary erections and avoid
situations where that would be a problem.
Maybe nude beaches should have a designated "beginner" section where red
faces, extreme nervousness, and erections are tolerated. I would
have really appreciated that a few years ago.
Wayne "age 38" Estes
Mundelein, IL, USA
In article <01bf4071$9a5c8520$543184ce@camilla-bill>,
"El Dorado Hot Spring" <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote:
>
El Dorado Hot Spring
cyndiann <cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> wrote in article
<82gfvm$6a$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
> news:01bf3fb0$ed09ce20$63ac30d0@camilla-bill...
> I never said I didn't know your names. I said you use a handle too, then
> complain that others do.
No, we don't use a handle -- that's our address and it's also the name of
our hot spring; it's been published in NUDE & NATURAL, the park guide, The
Southwest Guide To Hot Springs, the WORLD GUIDE TO NUDE BEACHES, the
Phoenix Yellow Pages and in many other places = it's a real name. A handle
(as used above) is a pseudonym.
We didn't complain that others used handles; we said we thought it would be
better and more grown up, less channel 19 like, and make us all look more
candid and honest if we didn't hide behind phony names.
> I knew that too, but you are still posting with a handle. Owning El
Dorado
> gives you the freedom to post openly, since you have no textile job to
> protect. Others are not so fortunate.
Many could choose to be that fortunate if they wished to do so.
> > The point we're trying to make here is that in a good clean forum such
as
> > this one, we'd feel better if we knew to whom we were posting.
>
> Why? Would your opinions change?
We don't think they'd change, but we might state some things more strongly
if we knew who we were posting to.
> Some people have had some rather nasty incidents come about online and
> would rather their real identity not be revealed.
Correct.
> I think using handles is
> rather creative, and it can be protective. I know more than a few nudists
> that feel they can't reveal their whole identity because of job
> considerations or family that wouldn't understand.
Yes, but that's a prison most confine themselves to voluntarily. The father
of one of us is a Methodist Minister; do you think we hide it from him and
his spouse? No way. They've visited us at nudist parks in New York and
Florida and we stayed nude. Now they coming out here and, in their 80's,
have vowed to soak NKKD (in private). It's wonderful.
> I am sure you are
> familiar with the old policy of using only first names at nudist venues
for
> privacy. This is just that same chain of thought moved into cyberspace.
Yes it is. However we never agreed with the first name only hiding and
never did it.
We realize some people would rather stay anonymous but OTOH, we think some
people are FAR too paranoid. We mean, really. We know plenty of women,
including singles, who post using their real names and make no effort to
hide.
If an individual chooses to remain unknown, we can respect their choice,
but we don't have to like it.
The Van Penns
cyndiann
El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
>
>
> cyndiann <cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> wrote in article
> <82gfvm$6a$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >
> > El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
> > news:01bf3fb0$ed09ce20$63ac30d0@camilla-bill...
>
> > I never said I didn't know your names. I said you use a handle too, then
> > complain that others do.
>
This is getting way off topic so I am going to let it drop except to say
that I don't agree with any of it.
cyndiann
DayTri...@webtv.net
the height of hypocrisy when so called naturists find so much offense at
an erect penis.
now, an erect penis charging at me... i don't want that. but why should
any of us care if a guy gets a woody?
If we are Naturists, I say, what is more Natural than internal
bloodflow.
Nudists, IMO, are helping to create an environment of fear and
ultimately impotence, when they perpetuate the notion that there is
something 'wrong' 'obscene' or 'indecent' about blood flowing to one
part of the human body
What if it were considered lewd if a woman's nipples got hard? And what
if, if a woman were a bit aroused on a nude beach we could somehow see
her body parts responding to the arousal. Would she then be as harshly
criticized for her natural bloodflow?
There are times when, perhaps a little bit sleepy on the beach, I've
realized that I was a little bit on the aroused side on the beach, and
it's had very little to do with the people around me. Sometimes it's
just the warm sun, the cool breeze and the sun-oil baking on my body.
Why should I feel like a criminal among "naturists" when I get a little
aroused...? Why should anyone see me as such?
We've got a very silly law in this part of the country... It's actually
ILLEGAL to have an erection in a public place. Can you believe that?
And we wonder as a society why so many men have impotency problems.
Because we are told, over and over, that erections are BAD.
IMO, Naturists should be the ones crying out about such an insane law.
Not perpetuating this nonsensical puritan mind set that somehow a blood
filled penis is evil.
Thank you. Pass it on.
Alexander Maclennan
> Total mind/body control over things like erections, blushing, etc. is a
> desirable goal, and possibly is a frequent outcome of the long-term
> practice of nudism. Like Bill said, practice often leads to perfect.
Guy de Maupassant was reputed to be able to induce erection at will in
this way. Poor man died of general paralysis of the insane, cerebral
syphilis. Not suggesting cause and effect.:-)
--
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Mighty CheefDan![tm] Defender of Nudity![tm]
>I may be in a time warp or something but I have always found it to be
>the height of hypocrisy when so called naturists find so much offense at
>an erect penis.
What amazes me is how so many people consider the 'right"' to have an erection
in front of other people to be a holy crusade. They don't make a big deal
about the 'right' to allow other "natural body functions" to occur in front of
other people... but an erect phallus becomes a sacred idol.
The question is not whether or not men get erections -- they do.
The question is not whether or not men need be embarassed -- they need not.
The question is whether or not men need to respect others.
The question is whether or not men need to do their part to show they are
participating in nudism in good faith (that is, that they are not there for
sexual 'adventure').
The answer to both of these last two questions is yes, men need to show
respect and good faith by being discreet until an erection subsides.
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Dear Day Tripper,
DayTri...@webtv.net wrote in article
<20656-38...@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
One of the written (in some cases) and unspoken (in other cases) laws of
this country is against public sexual activity. Being sexual in public
brings more silly laws down on us, as you mention below.
It doesn't matter how any of us feel; personally, we're not against public
erections or even public sex, but we know what trouble it brings to
naturism, so we'll all be better off if we don't have it in our midst.
We're not against a lot of things that are against the law, but we don't
make the laws, we just have to live by them. To do otherwise invites
trouble.
El Dorado
> I may be in a time warp or something but I have always found it to be
> the height of hypocrisy when so called naturists find so much offense at
> an erect penis.
>
Phil...@gmx.de
> In article <20656-38...@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> DayTri...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >I may be in a time warp or something but I have always found it to be
> >the height of hypocrisy when so called naturists find so much offense at
> >an erect penis.
>
> What amazes me is how so many people consider the 'right"' to have an erection
> in front of other people to be a holy crusade. They don't make a big deal
> about the 'right' to allow other "natural body functions" to occur in front of
> other people... but an erect phallus becomes a sacred idol.
I think there is a difference here. If someone farts in my face, it
DOES have an adverse affect on me. If some guy a few meters away has a
woody, it doesn't have to affect me.
> The question is not whether or not men get erections -- they do.
> The question is not whether or not men need be embarassed -- they need not.
Agreed.
> The question is whether or not men need to respect others.
Agreed.
> The question is whether or not men need to do their part to show they are
> participating in nudism in good faith (that is, that they are not there for
> sexual 'adventure').
But even if they're not, erections can still happen. If it's not a big
deal, it really doesn't bother anybody.
> The answer to both of these last two questions is yes, men need to show
> respect and good faith by being discreet until an erection subsides.
I think this is the point which needs debating. There are more
possibilities than `hide it until it goes away' or `jerk off in every
woman's face'. There is a whole range of behaviour in-between. The
question is where to draw the line. I think the crucial point is that
one doesn't sexually approach women who don't want to be sexually
approached (and this is independent of erection and independent of
nudity); some might say NO sexual behaviour is appropriate at a nudist
setting, but my view is `like "normal" life, but nude' which implies
that there are some sexual situations. If my girlfriend and I are
walking along the beach, reasonably far from anyone else, and we stop
and hug and I get semi-hard, I honestly can't see anyone being justified
at being offended by this. As someone else pointed out, people don't
seem to think erect nipples are inappropriate in a nudist setting.
Like erections, this can occur for sexual or other reasons. Do I sense
a double standard here? Male sexuality is dangerous and female is not
or perhaps doesn't even exist?
If you agree with me, say `amen!'.
Patrick
> I think there is a difference here. If someone farts in my face, it
> DOES have an adverse affect on me. If some guy a few meters away has a
> woody, it doesn't have to affect me.
If he is discreet and refrains from lewd behavior there probably won't
be a problem. He should be respectful of other people. From what I've
seen, the people at nude beaches generally behave better and are more
respectful of their neighbors than at textile beaches. That's probably
because the atmosphere at a good co beach is carefree but not
licentious.
> But even if they're not, erections can still happen. If it's not a big
> deal, it really doesn't bother anybody.
You avoid bothering your neighbors by being discreet.
> ... There are more
> possibilities than `hide it until it goes away' or `jerk off in every
> woman's face'. There is a whole range of behaviour in-between. The
> question is where to draw the line.
It's a slippery slope.
>I think the crucial point is that
> one doesn't sexually approach women who don't want to be sexually
> approached (and this is independent of erection and independent of
> nudity); some might say NO sexual behaviour is appropriate at a nudist
> setting, but my view is `like "normal" life, but nude' which implies
> that there are some sexual situations. If my girlfriend and I are
> walking along the beach, reasonably far from anyone else, and we stop
> and hug and I get semi-hard, I honestly can't see anyone being justified
> at being offended by this. As someone else pointed out, people don't
> seem to think erect nipples are inappropriate in a nudist setting.
> Like erections, this can occur for sexual or other reasons. Do I sense
> a double standard here? Male sexuality is dangerous and female is not
> or perhaps doesn't even exist?
All cravings are dangerous and sexual desire is no exception. It's a
slippery slope. Ask any woman who's been harassed on the sidewalk by
men out for sex. Unfortunately, some people think social nudity is an
invitation for sex. I don't want people like that to think they can
take liberties at a co beach which would not be acceptable at any public
beach.
> If you agree with me, say `amen!'.
I'm skeptical about your position. Erections happen, but they shouldn't
be openly displayed. I'm against anything that might contribute to
licentious behavior at co beaches. Open sex could destroy the carefree
atmosphere, drive out decent nudists, invite sex abusers, and bolster
the claims of those who want to ban public nudity as indecent.
Patrick
cyndiann
<Phil...@gmx.de> wrote in message news:82nvf9$jla$1...@info.service.rug.nl...
> ch...@cheef.com (Mighty CheefDan![tm] Defender of Nudity![tm]) writes:
>
> > In article <20656-38...@storefull-275.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> > DayTri...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > >I may be in a time warp or something but I have always found it to be
> > >the height of hypocrisy when so called naturists find so much offense
at
> > >an erect penis.
> >
> > What amazes me is how so many people consider the 'right"' to have an
erection
> > in front of other people to be a holy crusade. They don't make a big
deal
> > about the 'right' to allow other "natural body functions" to occur in
front of
> > other people... but an erect phallus becomes a sacred idol.
>
> DOES have an adverse affect on me. If some guy a few meters away has a
> woody, it doesn't have to affect me.
>
> > The question is not whether or not men need be embarassed -- they need
not.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > The question is whether or not men need to respect others.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > The question is whether or not men need to do their part to show they
are
> > participating in nudism in good faith (that is, that they are not there
for
> > sexual 'adventure').
>
> deal, it really doesn't bother anybody.
>
> > respect and good faith by being discreet until an erection subsides.
>
> possibilities than `hide it until it goes away' or `jerk off in every
> woman's face'. There is a whole range of behaviour in-between. The
> one doesn't sexually approach women who don't want to be sexually
> approached (and this is independent of erection and independent of
> nudity); some might say NO sexual behaviour is appropriate at a nudist
> setting, but my view is `like "normal" life, but nude' which implies
> that there are some sexual situations. If my girlfriend and I are
> walking along the beach, reasonably far from anyone else, and we stop
> and hug and I get semi-hard, I honestly can't see anyone being justified
> at being offended by this. As someone else pointed out, people don't
> seem to think erect nipples are inappropriate in a nudist setting.
> Like erections, this can occur for sexual or other reasons. Do I sense
> a double standard here? Male sexuality is dangerous and female is not
> or perhaps doesn't even exist?
>
>
You get a BIG amen from me! There is a huge gray area here that needs to be
addressed. Simply getting an erection truly is no big deal, and those that
say guys MUST roll over and hide it are prudes.
cyndiann
Ken Kelly
reasonable way.
Natural occurences occur naturally.
Reasonable people take reasonable action to respond responsibly.
In our basic naturist culture, we have matured so as to prefer
non-licentious, non-lewd nudeness among our peers and associates.
It is not unreasonable, then, to ask for responsibility in situations that
are in tune with the basic culture of these peers and associates.
Presuming that there's no lewd and lascivious considerations, then:
If a man raises an erection in the woods, and no one is there to see it,
is it anti-cultural?
If he raises it on the beach in view and proximity to others who would
prefer that it not be seen (because of the perceptions of still others, less
wise and more intolerant), it would be anti-cultural, but all he need do is
sit or lie in a concealing position or drape it.
If ALL those in view and proximate had a broader cultural position
accepting the situation as wholly natural and ultimately to subside, it
would still be not unreasonable to ask that he take responsible action to
conceal.
No big deal - he can even maintain the damn erection until it subsides or it
reemerges, if he/it doesn't confront others, and remains absent of lewd and
lascivious considerations.
'Nuff of this doublespeak! <G>
--
-Ken Kelly-
KEN...@prodigy.net
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El Dorado Hot Spring
Patrick <patric...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<384FC78C...@prodigy.net>...
> Erections happen, but they shouldn't
> be openly displayed. I'm against anything that might contribute to
> licentious behavior at co beaches.
Write on! Yes.
> Open sex could destroy the carefree
> atmosphere, drive out decent nudists, invite sex abusers, and bolster
> the claims of those who want to ban public nudity as indecent.
It not only could, it does, on a regular basis = that's why we're losing
beaches all the time.
cyndiann
El Dorado Hot Spring <HotS...@El-Dorado.com> wrote in message
about we stop making an erection something to be feared or disgusted over?
ColoCutie
against public
>erections or even public sex, but we know what trouble it brings to
>naturism, so we'll all be better off if we don't have it in our midst.
Oh really? So you think we are better off without public erections and public
sex JUST because it could bring trouble to naturism?
Are there no other reasons you would be opposed to public sex? Maybe not since
you say and I quote "personally, we're not against public
>erections or even public sex,"
More explanation appreciated. You surely didn't mean that the "trouble it
brings to naturism" would be the ONLY reason you think "we'll all be better off
if we don't have it in our midsts."
But if it is the ONLY reason, then why don't you fight for the right to have
public sex like you do for the right to be nude?
Would you not want to have nudity in your midst if it just brought trouble to
your socializing with your friends?
MUCH MORE info needed.
Callie
Jim Owens
> not, even the
> 'involuntary' pressure erection or sleeping erection
> (caused by the bladder
> becoming full of urine) can be kept down if the
> owner of the penis is in
> enough contact with his body.
I have never heard anyone but you say this. I have
heard a LOT of other people, many very educated in the
field of medicine, say otherwise.
Jim Owens
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cyndiann <cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> wrote in article
<82r07j$bs5$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
> Merely HAVING an erection is not open sex . That is quite a huge leap.
Yes, most on this forum know that. However, those who are succeeding to
close nude
beaches see it differently, else they might not be trying so hard to
eliminate us.
> How
> about we stop making an erection something to be feared or disgusted
over?
Good idea. We hope to see the day.
Mighty CheefDan![tm] Defender of Nudity![tm]
<82r07j$bs5$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> Merely HAVING an erection is not open sex . That is quite a huge leap.
Although I know you are responding to what someone else wrote, I want to
say that I don't think that's the issue here. The issue is what is the
appropriate way to act when an erection occurs.
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"Mighty CheefDan![tm] Defender of Nudity![tm]" wrote:
>
> cyndiann <cynd...@hahahamindspring.com> wrote in article
> <82r07j$bs5$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >
> > Merely HAVING an erection is not open sex . That is quite a huge leap.
>
> Although I know you are responding to what someone else wrote, I want to
> say that I don't think that's the issue here. The issue is what is the
> appropriate way to act when an erection occurs.
>
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