black noise...
adam.
okay. the general consensus is that black noise does not exist. i only
asked for clarification due to the fact that i have seen the phrase "black
noise" used, once here to describe some whitehouse pieces, and once in the
tyranny of the beat compilation, describing the nature of the NON track,
the name of which escapes my memory.
thanks for all of the information on the noise types, btw. and the jokes,
too. they were REALLY funny. no, really. (jackasses.)
adam.
DTohir
>Except that every single explanation for pink noise was incorrect. The sad
>thing is, I worked on a research project for an entire year which dealt
>with pink noise in the human motor skills, and I still can't give you a good
>description of pink noise. It certainly isn't white noise with the high
>frequencies filtered out, or anything else that was written here.
I just checked with a friend of mine who teaches electronic music at a
university, and he has informed me that pink noise is basically white noise
with the lower end boosted. (he called it weighted)
David
Whatever happened to the term POWER ELECTRONICS?
Back in the early 80's groups like Whitehouse, Ramleh, Consumer
Electronics, Sutcliffe Jugend etc were lumped under that 'category'.
Can't say I see it used much, if at all, nowadays.
--
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Creaig Dunton
David wrote:
> Whatever happened to the term POWER ELECTRONICS?
>
> Back in the early 80's groups like Whitehouse, Ramleh, Consumer
> Electronics, Sutcliffe Jugend etc were lumped under that 'category'.
> Can't say I see it used much, if at all, nowadays.
I've still heard it applied to a couple artists, like Con-Dom, Atrax
Morgue, Brighter Death Now, and of course the aformentioned
Whitehouse....although I must say I am not totally sure what constitutes
power electronics (I've always just considered it analog synth noise
mixed with vocals...)
--
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destruKt
David <axis.inc*@btinternet.com> wrote in article
<3539C561...@btinternet.com>...
> Whatever happened to the term POWER ELECTRONICS?
>
> Back in the early 80's groups like Whitehouse, Ramleh, Consumer
> Electronics, Sutcliffe Jugend etc were lumped under that 'category'.
> Can't say I see it used much, if at all, nowadays.
just a term that Whitehouse and their circle used. "Extreme noise" is
usually what its called now.
Robert P. Beveridge
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:35:29 +0100, David <axis.inc*@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>Whatever happened to the term POWER ELECTRONICS?
>
>Back in the early 80's groups like Whitehouse, Ramleh, Consumer
>Electronics, Sutcliffe Jugend etc were lumped under that 'category'.
>Can't say I see it used much, if at all, nowadays.
Ramleh? Obviously I haven't gone back far enough in the catalog;
everything I've heard has been guitar wanking a la Mundy's earlier
work with Skullflower.
No one else ever really _did_ PE. Whitehouse and the offshoots, early
Nurse with Wound, and what essentially were Whitehouse cover bands
(Intrinsic Action, anyone?) were it. While I'm wondering, did Consumer
Electronics start out as a PE act, or what? I have yet to hear any of
Best's material pre-WH, and I'm very interested in tracking some down.
I'm guessing that, like most genres, other things wormed their way
into PE and hybridized it into various other things, mostly noise.
Rev.Goat
David
> While I'm wondering, did Consumer
> Electronics start out as a PE act, or what? I have yet to hear any of
> Best's material pre-WH, and I'm very interested in tracking some down.
I was at CE's Public Attack 3 in 1982. Basically Philip with a short
wave radio that wouldn't stay tuned to anything, and him hurling abuse
at the audience. I released a tape of it with Philip's encouragement. He
had the master back three or four years ago... I think it was supposed
to be used in part on some retrospective release. Did this ever come
out?
> Ramleh? Obviously I haven't gone back far enough in the catalog;
> everything I've heard has been guitar wanking
Listening to Ramleh live at Morden Tower (1983) right now. Such tracks
as 'Throatsuck', 'Phenol', 'A Return To Slavery', 'Sqassation'...
Lots of piercing electronics and screamed vocals....
I was also at their final concert.
Robert P. Beveridge
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:13:48 +0100, David <axis...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> I think it was supposed
>to be used in part on some retrospective release. Did this ever come
>out?
Not that I've seen. Know what label it was supposed to be?
Ramleh:
>I was also at their final concert.
Final? FINAL? Aww, c'mon, I just started getting into Ramleh a couple
of years ago... they can't be gone. They just can't. What's Mundy
doing now, then?
Rev.Goat
on: Death in June "Rockinghorse Night"
Stig Mathausen
Robert P. Beveridge wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:13:48 +0100, David <axis...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think it was supposed
> >to be used in part on some retrospective release. Did this ever come
> >out?
>
> Not that I've seen. Know what label it was supposed to be?
>
Maybe it was part of the triple-LP set on RRR about 4 years ago?
Jason J. Tar
Saw the name in a header and it reminded me of a question:
I've got Mauro Teho Teardo's _Caught From Behind_ lp, which features NWW
and Ramleh. Quite good, but then got some Meathead (MTT's group) and
found it quite awful (sounds like a Helmet/Ministry hybrid). Figured
that Stapleton and Ramleh had a good deal of say in the recording of
_Caught..._, so might there be a suggested Ramleh cd that would be of
this style?? (As I've noticed there are quite a bit of Ramleh cds to
choose from.)
Thanks.
JJTar
btw--As for Power Electronics, you may want to check out recent Ant-Zen
label releases. Very much so Power Electronics, at least as far as I
understand the term. (Personally, wouldn't think the MTT lp was much
Power Electronics at all, the term brings to mind bands like P-A-L,
Noisex, Sonar, etc.)
DZ-015
>Nurse with Wound, and what essentially were Whitehouse cover bands
The whole concept of a noise band covering other noiseband's songs is a
fairly wacky idea. Kinda pathetic actually.
-Jay Truesdale
-- "I only cover Neil Diamond anyways..."
-----
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For more Information, http://emrl.com or email IN...@EMRL.COM.
Robert P. Beveridge
On 21 Apr 98 01:51:49 GMT, dz-...@boulez.emrl.com (DZ-015) wrote:
>The whole concept of a noise band covering other noiseband's songs is a
>fairly wacky idea. Kinda pathetic actually.
<chuckling> I actually had that going through my head at one point...
I was trying to figure out how I could pull off a cover of "Rapeday"
when I sat back in my chair and thought, "what the hell is wrong with
your head?" :)
A good amount of the non-Whitehouse offshoot PE from the mid-eighties,
though (and, to be fair, some of the Whitehouse offshoot PE-- there's
a section of time where Sutcliffe Jugend and Whitehouse are virtually
indistinguishable from one another, for example), sounds exactly like
Whitehouse. I always found it rather pathetic myself. Either actually
cover the songs or drop your frequencies. I mean, even a hundred K or
so and a slightly different filter and you're going to get a whole
different sound. Jeez.
Rev.Goat
The Dove Family
well this may be kind of stupid, but i think maybe the closest thing to a
noise cover would be the "remix". all of the best covers are the ones that
reinterpret the song anyway. completely dissect the noise song, even if it
sounds different the point is that you convey the same emotion with it.
well i don't really know what i'm tlakginb about its just my 2 cents
Stig Mathausen
Robert P. Beveridge wrote:
>
> On 21 Apr 98 01:51:49 GMT, dz-...@boulez.emrl.com (DZ-015) wrote:
>
> >The whole concept of a noise band covering other noiseband's songs is a
> >fairly wacky idea. Kinda pathetic actually.
>
> <chuckling> I actually had that going through my head at one point...
> I was trying to figure out how I could pull off a cover of "Rapeday"
> when I sat back in my chair and thought, "what the hell is wrong with
> your head?" :)
>
I'd like to hear the Kronos Quartet tackle "Thank Your Lucky Stars",
myself.
Soddy
> The whole concept of a noise band covering other noiseband's songs is a
> fairly wacky idea. Kinda pathetic actually.
I think it's the ultimate embarrassment to noise: that these sounds
can be duplicated so easily.
What does that say about our precious ideology?
One of the Knurl tracks on the Alien8 Aube/Knurl split starts out
like an Incapacitants cover.
Aube's "Infinitely Orbit" could be a series of abstract Whitehouse
covers.
I'm sure if we all set our minds to it, we could find covers at every
turn.
"I'm buggered if I know,"
Jason
---
murgunsturrrm
> >fairly wacky idea. Kinda pathetic actually.
>
> I was trying to figure out how I could pull off a cover of "Rapeday"
> when I sat back in my chair and thought, "what the hell is wrong with
> your head?" :)
I think it would be funny to make "real music" covers of noise
or industrial songs. For example we've heard ALOT of bands do the
"take a top 40 pop song and degerate it into industrial or noise"
thing. Example - BiGod 20's Like A Prayer (I know this isn't noise,
but I know that there are noise bands who have done things like
this). But what about taking it the OTHER way - re-vamping an old
industrial/experimental/noise classic into pop music. Imagine
strumming on an acoustic guitar and humming the lyrics to "rape
day." Making a bubble-gum synthpop version of old TG noise tracks
like "Subhuman" or "Blood on the Floor"... the possibilities are
endless!
Skincrime
well, to an extent, it has been done, for ex. exper. xr does a "techno
whiteacidhouse" version of you don't have to say please......., plus, as far as
Noise covers go, what about the "snake is long, don't fall the audio hole" CD
of Hanatarash covers? Some of them actually sound like the
original..........scary.....
Michelle-Anne
> Oh nigga please. Now what "precious ideology" are you referring to?
As the most outspoken advocate of scum ideology, you've got a lot of
nerve asking that question. ;-)
Every conscious negation reasserts continuity. Pretended ignorance is
the worst kind of entrapment. If you're trying to tell me it isn't
there, it won before you started typing.
The precious ideology I refer to: "Noise is free."
If we can cover noise, then how free is it? Perhaps the "freedom" we
posit is merely a function of current social conditions, and tells us
precious little about noise.
> Am I missing something here? Is there a wine sniffing sect of black
> noise that I'm unaware of?
There could well be. We can rule out nothing. Even the possibility
that noise is as limited as every other kind of music; perhaps even
more so.
I admire the project. I'm ready to join the crusade. Nevertheless, I
am skeptical of its validity; partly because I feel this skepticism
is necessary.
sodomy non sapiens,
Jason
---
"Eat shit noise music. Kill the all noise artists!
We hate Whitehouse. Piss Off NWW. Asshole C93. Suck PTV. Fuck Coil.
We love disco sound."
-- Ai Yamatsuka/Hanatarashi
Soddy
Er, Soddy will take credit for that one.
The Red Face of Sod,
Jason
---
Soddy
> Figured that Stapleton and Ramleh had a good deal of say in the
> recording of _Caught..._, so might there be a suggested Ramleh
> cd that would be of this style??
'Fraid not. (to my knowledge.) Actually, MTT is probably closest to
Caught from Behind; a little more electro-ambient however.
I like MTT myself, but it seems to have been part of the prodigous
one-shot experimental muse canon.
Minus Habs did release a Ramleh/MTT split 12" which might be up
your alley. I'm sure copies are still floating around somewhere.
sodomy non sapiens,
Jason
---
"No one with any insight will still deny that nihilism is in the most
varied and hidden forms 'the normal state' of man."
-- M Heidegger
Soddy
Oh yeah, everyone is obliged to cover Whitehouse at some point.
And it does not *have* to be hero-worship, folks.
For instance, a local all-girl band here in Toronto called
Morning Sickness (now deceased) covered most of the Whitehouse
catalog in one short song. (apparently an angry response to
some phone stalker.) Absolutely hilarious.
sodomy non sapiens,
Jason
---
"Whatsamatta? Never seen a girl do it before?
Suck my cunt you cock!"
-- Morning Sickness
Soddy
Correction: Mourning Sickness
Stig Mathausen
Soddy wrote:
>
> Oh yeah, everyone is obliged to cover Whitehouse at some point.
>
> And it does not *have* to be hero-worship, folks.
>
> For instance, a local all-girl band here in Toronto called
> Morning Sickness (now deceased) covered most of the Whitehouse
> catalog in one short song. (apparently an angry response to
> some phone stalker.) Absolutely hilarious.
>
Was this ever committed to tape?
By the way, I'm covering "Movement 1994" right now, in true Eno fashion
- I've leaned my electric shaver against my electric guitar, cranked up
the distortion, and returned to my computer!
Stig Mathausen
murgunsturrrm wrote:
>
>
> Imagine
> strumming on an acoustic guitar and humming the lyrics to "rape
> day."
Inspired! "shooby-dooby, I'm the rapemaster, lalaLala..." I never heard
that covers tape that came with "Still Going Strong", but I imagine it
was primarily a bunch of Intrinsic Action style pap. If only the
featured groups were so thoughtful as to REALLY take chances!
I actually had a commercial pop-rock version of "I'm coming up your ass"
worked out at one point. And...
> Making a bubble-gum synthpop version of old TG noise tracks
> like "Subhuman" or "Blood on the Floor"...
I actually used to do air-guitar to "Hit by a Rock" when I was a kid,
and had a metal version worked out w/ my garage band a couple years
later.
Colonel Panic
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:21:55 GMT, Stig Mathausen <trop...@istar.ca> wrote:
>> Imagine
>> strumming on an acoustic guitar and humming the lyrics to "rape
>> day."
Going the other way around, my band 'Tension Factor' is performing tonight
in Portland, OR and we're covering 'Freebird' by Lynyrd Skynyrd, 'Shepherd's
Moon' by Enya, and 'Whispers' by Yanni.
Heh heh heh.
--
Tension Factor: http://www.teleport.com/~alchemy/tensionfactor
Experimental/tribal/industrial/noise/whatthefuckeverwefeellike
Come to our page, listen to some .wavs, download some MP3's.
C'mon, just give in to the noise.
Colonel Panic
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:25:24 GMT, Stig Mathausen <trop...@istar.ca> wrote:
>By the way, I'm covering "Movement 1994" right now, in true Eno fashion
>- I've leaned my electric shaver against my electric guitar, cranked up
>the distortion, and returned to my computer!
Dude, you're twisted. I like it! Maybe I'll try that with my girlfriend's
old acoustic guitar and a contact mic....hmmm. Then I could randomly retune
it.
Now you've done it.
--
Re: Eggo's with Nutella - "Ritzy European chocolate hazelnut spread on
shitty american convenience food toaster waffles...Uhh...How can something
so wrong taste so damn good?"
- Fell.Head <alc...@teleport.com>
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brain
There are 3 CD's (We Created It, Let's Take It Over, Vol. I-III) on
RRR's Pure label, which are rereleases of their earlier noise stuff they
put out on their old Broken Flag label in the early 80's, not the
skullflower-type guitar blasts they're doing now. All the 80's tapes are
very out of print.
AnthonyEID
So are those 3 cds worth picking up? How harsh, interesting, or weird are
they? I have no experience with this band...
Anthony
Soddy
> Was this ever committed to tape?
Yeah, I've got it lying around somewhere. In some ways, it's
much stronger than Whitehouse. Rather than trying to sound
cute, the vocalist sounds genuinely pissed off. Some fine
dental drills + dial-tone make up the music; plus samples of
monsieur le pervert breathing heavily in the background.
> By the way, I'm covering "Movement 1994" right now, in true Eno
> fashion - I've leaned my electric shaver against my electric
> guitar, cranked up the distortion, and returned to my computer!
The next Tension Hook masterpiece? Did you borrow Fubar's
stereo for this one? ;-)
sodomy non sapiens,
Jason
---
"I hate Bordoms!
Fuck! John Zone!
Death! All avantgarde Artists!
I am king of Noise!!
-- Jojo Hiroshige/Hijokaidan
Stig Mathausen
Soddy wrote:
>
> > By the way, I'm covering "Movement 1994" right now, in true Eno
> > fashion - I've leaned my electric shaver against my electric
> > guitar, cranked up the distortion, and returned to my computer!
>
> The next Tension Hook masterpiece? Did you borrow Fubar's
> stereo for this one? ;-)
>
Nope - the new one is *much* more fuq'd! It's now being recorded using a
busted $15 tape deck - the leaving behind of the old equipment hasn't
forced me into an upgrade just yet. Tentative title: "Sounds of
Defection". Details to follow soon!
Stig Mathausen
AnthonyEID wrote:
>
> So are those 3 cds worth picking up? How harsh, interesting, or weird are
> they? I have no experience with this band...
>
...and do any have "A Return to Slavery" on 'em? I always see this one in
REcord Collector ads, being sold/sought for ridiculous prices.
brain
I only have Vol. I, but the other 2 are similar - kind of low-fi, harsh, power
electronics, - with titles like Deathtoll, Fistfuck, Throatsuck, Onslaught,
etc... similar to Come Org. stuff. Not terrible but not, IMO, as good as say,
Whitehouse.