recommend 20th cent. composer titles
Robb Cunningham
free/improv jazz type stuff. I will keep this info and look for
the stuff in the music library at the station here or keep it
in mind for purchases. I have listed some artists but I'm not
very knowledgeable in these areas at all so feel free to name
names I've left out.
stockhausen
stravinsky
cage
pierre schafer
varese
musique concrete
free jazz
early electronic music
sun ra
coltrane
other...???????
James and Sean Quirk
...Ornette Coleman. Cecil Taylor.
> early electronic music
Try some Philip Glass. There's earlier stuff than him, but he's pretty well-known.
Couple of good books on him too. Might want to check out some Brian Eno, just for
the hey of it.
> sun ra
Yeah. :)
> coltrane
Can't forget Miles Davis.
> other...???????
How about prog rock: some King Crimson will do you good. Some of their live CDs
contain great moments of improv. Santana has this double live CD from Japan called
"Lotus" that has some heart-stopping improv on it. You could even check out some
Phish, or go back from that and try the Grateful Dead (the latter is not for me, but
Garcia is considered an important improviser, so...).
wyvern
>
> Ornette Coleman. As far as I know he invented free jazz with the album called
> Sun Ra is the man. I've seen
Albert Ayler comes to mind, w/ the New York Eye and Ear Control album
(soundtrack to Michael Snow film of same name) -- to simplify, basically
Snow asked Ayler's group to launch straight into the "assault."
Definitely worth checking out along w/ Free Jazz, as Brent pointed out.
The only Sun Ra I have is Concert for the Comet Kohoutek, which, amongst
other things, has red-hot synth freakouts from Ra. Very tuneful album.
Great swinging vocal songs about outer space too, then.
Unfortunately, both the discs above are out of print again, originally
on LP on ESP-disk, then reissued on CD by ZYX (German dance music label)
though Get Back in Italy is reissuing ESP-selections on LP as we speak.
I hear the Get Back editions are inferior quality in terms of sound; the
source the LP's were mastered off of vinyl, etc. blah blah But you can
still find the CD reissues in Best Buys or bookstore/music store-type
places.
> Fuck it, everything. The mellow shit was nice nice nice. The hardcore shit was
> cold as concrete. The craziest album is "Interstellar Space", insane sax playing
> backed by insane drum kit soloing and sleigh bells. The album is a picture of
> the sun taken from above the clouds.
Interstellar Space is very nice, yes.
w
wyvern
>
> I am looking for recs of certain contemporary composers and/or
> free/improv jazz type stuff. I will keep this info and look for
> the stuff in the music library at the station here or keep it
> in mind for purchases. I have listed some artists but I'm not
> very knowledgeable in these areas at all so feel free to name
> names I've left out.
Unless someone's mentioned them already (which I'm not surprised if they
have) the AMM. Their output and scope is monolithic. It's tired to
point this out, but they are one of the few musical organizations to
have mention in jazz, contemporary classical *and* rock sources.
Anyway, they're highly regarded (sure) but highly recommended, both from
the academic and visceral-pedestrian POV.
>(list of artists)
Forced Exposure (www.forcedexposure.com) has discs from many of the
artists you have listed, esp. fairly good selection of the earlier
'musique concrete' type (Schafer, Henry, Ferrari, etc.) Oh yeah, and
the Wire issue w/ John Fahey has a little 'primer' for such musics.
Other notable 20thcent composers I'm not sure I saw: Iannis Xenakis and
Morton Feldman. The latter composer's longform pieces are quite
beautiful and patient.
A meet between the jazz and 20thcent classical would be a Bob James Trio
album called 'Explosions.' Yeah, *that* Bob James. Anyway, very
abstract improvisations/explorations, coupled with tape and electronic
work from Robert Ashley and Gordon Mumma.
Regarding the minimalism, sure, TOny Conrad. The 'Four Violins' piece
(recorded in '64) is, well, beautiful and all-that. etc. etc. seek this
one out definitely.
wyvern
wyvern
partly why it's recommended is cause of the great write-ups for the
albums they carry...
w
DTohir
Never cared much for him, so can't help you here.
>stravinsky
A good starting point would probably be the two most famous of his ballet
scores, "The Rites of Spring (Le Sacre du Printemps)" or "The Firebird". His
work was quite varied, so if these don't do it for you, keep searching.
>cage
some of my favorites: "Sonatas & Interludes for Prepared Piano", "Atlas
Elipticalis", "Concert for Piano & Orchestra", "Cartridge Music"
>varese
"Poeme Electronique", "Ameriques", "Ionisation', "Deserts"
>pierre schafer
>musique concrete
Anything you can find, but good luck!
>free jazz
Ornette Coleman, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Cecil Taylor, Peter Brotzmann
>early electronic music
Tod Dockstader, Varese (Poeme Electrique), Xenakis (La Legende d'Eer), MEV
>sun ra
Most all of the reissues on Evidence are worthwhile, my favorite is the one
that has the "Angels & Demons at Play" album on it (Can't remember what other
album is included)
>coltrane
I love everything he did, with a preference for his work on the Impulse! label.
>other...???????
other 20th century classical composers worth checking out: Messiaen,
Lutoslawski, Ligeti, Henze, Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Penderecki, Xenakis,
Skalkottas, Gubaidulina, Dallapiccola (& lots more)
other jazz-type stuff: Anthony Braxton, Ronald Shannon Jackson, early James
Blood Ulmer, George Lewis (trombonist, NOT the clarinetist), Eric Dolphy,
Marilyn Crispell (& lots more)
Gary Robert Kelly
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>Ornette Coleman. As far as I know he invented free jazz with the album
called
>"Free Jazz" (of all things). The album is very pure jazz, conceptually
>experimental, rather than instrumentally experimental. I think he took
2 jazz
>bands, put them in seperate corners and recorded them both playing
different
>songs. My kinda noise!
Well, two quartets improvising together actually. They weren't isolated
from each other or anything.
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>>stockhausen
>
>Never cared much for him, so can't help you here.
Kontakte (for piano, electronics and percussion, 1960) is definitely
worth hearing.
George Gosset
classification of the genre is simply not appropriate. So called free
jazz is a good example of 'morphic resonance'; the conditions being
right and things pointing in various directions, a new course of action
becomes the obvious way of innovation for disparate groups in Germany,
the USA and the UK as well as other places (although New Zealand took 25
years to attempt to appropriate the term "free noise" for niche export
marketing).
Incidentally, riots a la Stravinsky were provoked circa 1961 by the fact
that live performances of this jazz were not "free" as advertised -- an
early problem for Ornette, perhaps enough to establish a proprietary
interest, but I doubt it.
George Gosset
Gary Robert Kelly wrote:
>
> Brent Bruni Comiskey wrote in message
> <6sac29$r1g$1...@uuneo.neosoft.com>...
>
> >Ornette Coleman. As far as I know he invented free jazz with the album
> called
> >"Free Jazz" (of all things). The album is very pure jazz, conceptually
> >experimental, rather than instrumentally experimental. I think he took
> 2 jazz
> >bands, put them in seperate corners and recorded them both playing
> different
> >songs. My kinda noise!
>
> Well, two quartets improvising together actually. They weren't isolated
> from each other or anything.
>
Skincrime
>(soundtrack to Michael Snow film of same name) -- to simplify, basically
>Snow asked Ayler's group to launch straight into the "assault."
>Definitely worth checking out along w/ Free Jazz, as Brent pointed out.
I'll have to second this, As much respect as I have for Coltrain, and Coleman,
I think to many other artists get passed up over these two, as far as
free/improve/out/whatever jazz goes.......Yes, everybody should check them out,
but don't stop there......Ayler's material is just plain amazing, some of his
earlier LP's where more "normal" Jazz, but when he gets out there.....Holy
Shit......Ayler throws his entire heart and soul into his playing, and (to me
at least) produces what is probably the most Emotional sounding playing I've
ever heard. I'd also recomend Most anything by Roland Kirk, another musician
who'm I think took his Music further then most. I'm also a big fan of most
Eric Dolphy, his "out to Lunch" LP should be considered "esential" listining to
anybody who's interested in Jazz. Sad that all three of them Died at such a
very early Age.........
Also (and here's one for you brent) anybody here ever heard any Ivo Papasov??
DrDemon
ther...???????YES -> be surez to check out TOD DOCKSTADER ! His work is amazing and also pre-Stockhausen !!! CD's on Starkland : www.starkland.com - RECOMMENDED !!
Dr. Demon
Jason Lescalleet
Skincrime wrote:
> Also (and here's one for you brent) anybody here ever heard any Ivo Papasov??
...benny goodman on LSD in bulgaria...
i like it when people talk about the musicians of today. it's refreshing to hear
someone talk about an artist like papasov and know that there will probably be more
good music to come from them. ivo rocks, but you can't talk about clarinet without
checking out david krakauer. he's played with the klezmatics, the kronos quartet,
frank london, anthony coleman, itzhak perlman, and john zorn to drop a few names.
he's really starting to get around. check out his disc on tzadik, he's got another
one due in october.
after reading endless rants on ornette, trane, ayler, dolphy, and all the other
dead guys, i have to stress how important it is to support the artists that are
doing it today. it's real easy to go buy record that's already been offically
declared a classic or whatever, but how about searching out the contemporaries?
fans of trane would surely enjoy david s. ware. fans of ayler should check out
frank lowe or arthur doyle's alabama feeling.
hey, is this still alt.noise? ; )
Brad Bizzolt
>Not to get wanky, but is there noise that is not free?
Aube, maybe? He's pretty much paint-by-numbers noise.
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free jazz titles like O. Coleman's "Free Jazz" and Coletrane's
"Innerstellar..." but I'm looking for something really fast, furious and
superchaotic by Taylor. Something that never lets up for the entire
disc. He has so many titles I don't know where to start! Any
suggesstions anybody? Thanks.
Mark
Arthur B. Purvis
> >stockhausen
Well, Kontakte is pretty much the only one you'll find for less than
$50-100 (due to stockhausen deciding that that's how much 60 minutes of
his music is worth) - there are a few others, but not many. But
Kontakte's good.
> >stravinsky
Rite of Spring.
But I have yet to hear something by him that is not excellent.
> >varese
Poeme Electronique and Ionisation (available on one cd for $12 with
all but one of his other electronic pieces, but a 2cd complete works set
is coming out soon.
> >pierre schafer
> >musique concrete
Schaeffer's discography fits on one cd. Some french title.
Luc Ferrari is excellent too. There's some lady I heard once that was
wonderful, but I've forgotten her name.
Tod Dockstader - Quatermass (I think that's the title; don't own it) is
amazing.
See the most recent Wire for this type of thing (though they include
subotnick and other blippy early electronic musicians who have more in
common with Microstoria/Oval than schaeffer).
> >free jazz
Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (the Ornette Coleman Double Quartet)
Cecil Taylor - Winged Serpents
Not a big free jazz fan myself, but both these records are amazing. Other
Ornette and other Taylor has left me less than stunned. Zorn etc. I can't
stand (though I love Zorn's orchestral pieces).
> >early electronic music
Iannis Xenakis - Electronic Music.
He's a pretentious moron though - still, his music is very
good/interesting.
> >sun ra
Don't like Sun Ra.
> >coltrane
A Love Supreme and Ascension (not well versed in the coltrane catalog,
however).
> >other...???????
GEORGE CRUMB - Black Angels. Scariest thing I've heard recently,
absolutely amazing. Noisy, dark, fast, disorienting - wow.
CHARLES IVES - Symphony #4. Utter genius. Completely
schizophrenic/insane. When he wrote it, he was laughed at and had to
earn his livelihood as an insurance salesman. Now that he's dead, he's
considered a modern master. The classical music establishment has a
pretty poor track record of actually noticing new music you'll notice.
There's some Berio/Beckett collaboration out there that is just insane.
Gyorgi Ligeti is amazing; Steve Reich is good (I prefer the marimbas
record to the "classic" - Music for 14 Musicians). Heard an excellent
Iancu Dumitrescu record the other day - he's relatively new I think. Erik
Satie is somehow amazing, but you need to get into the repetition.
Of these only Dumitrescu is noisy though.
Oh yeah, John Zorn's orchestral pieces (especially Forbidden Fruit - the
Kronos Quartet w/Christian Marclay performance is great).
Arvo Part is good minimalism. Very good.
There is _so_ much out there.
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Arthur B. Purvis
Winged Serpents.
Sounds like the title, sort of. Swooping, diving, crashing brilliance.
foe
> I am looking for recs of certain contemporary composers and/or
> free/improv jazz type stuff.
here's the most impressive eletronic "classic" composer and i really
wonder why no one mentioned it before. he's a monster.
"morton subotnick"
complete discography and biography:
http://www.eamdc.com/06.html
Dimitri
<dust.net>
DTohir
>wonder why no one mentioned it before. he's a monster.
>"morton subotnick"
To me, Subotnick is just plain uninteresting.
Bless Ed
naming off a few that may have been missed (in an almost but not quite
particular order):
Krzysztof Penderecki
Witold Lutoslawski
Helmut Lachenmann
Iancu Dumitrescu
Francis Dhomont
George Perle
George Reyes
George Crumb
Milton Babbit
Ralph Shapey
Harry Partch
Charles Ives
John Adams
Terry Riley
Steve Reich
Phil Niblock
Jon Gibson
Derek Bailey
Philip Perkins
Evan Parker
Terry Fox
Graham Bowers
David Tudor
Luc Ferrari
Henry Kaiser
Alvin Lucier
Christian Calon
Christian Clozier
Michele Bokanowski
Sergio Barroso
Denis Dufor
Gottfried Koenig
Mario Rodrigue
Daniel Goode
Tiny Tim
Paul DeMarinis
Harry Bertoia
Roland Kayne
James Tenney
John Bischoff
John Hudak
Francois Bayle
blah blah blah
All of them essential, of course. ;-)
And of course, we can never forget the almighty Yoko!
(On the subject of Coltrane, I recently picked up _Thelonius Monk with
John Coltrane_ for the old man and he really digs it. It'll take some
doing, but this could be a cue to start bringing the noise. Half-deaf
folks ought to appreciate this stuff. Already got him hooked on the PE.)
Arthur B. Purvis
> Unless someone's mentioned them already (which I'm not surprised if they
> have) the AMM. Their output and scope is monolithic. It's tired to
> point this out, but they are one of the few musical organizations to
> have mention in jazz, contemporary classical *and* rock sources.
> Anyway, they're highly regarded (sure) but highly recommended, both from
> the academic and visceral-pedestrian POV.
Yeah, but they have about 50 cds out - could someone make some
recommendations as to specific records? I've been interested in them for
a while but never bought anything because they are literally the biggest
section in the records store.
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: Brent Bruni Comiskey wrote:
: >
: > Ornette Coleman. As far as I know he invented free jazz with the album called
: > Sun Ra is the man. I've seen
: Albert Ayler comes to mind, w/ the New York Eye and Ear Control album
: (soundtrack to Michael Snow film of same name) -- to simplify, basically
: Snow asked Ayler's group to launch straight into the "assault."
: Definitely worth checking out along w/ Free Jazz, as Brent pointed out.
Snow has released several albums under his own name, and has appeared on
various releases by Canadian free improv pioneers CCMC. I believe he has
also recorded with Canadian noise outfit the Nihilist Spasm Band.
Several years ago an Ontario art museum did a retrospective of Snow's
various works, and this included the book The Michael Snow Project:
Music and Sound, which i've found to be a very interesting read.
Interestingly enough he got his start as a musician playing Dixieland
style jazz in Toronto as a teenage pianist in the late 40s.
tim gueguen 101867
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: >here's the most impressive eletronic "classic" composer and i really
: >wonder why no one mentioned it before. he's a monster.
: >"morton subotnick"
: To me, Subotnick is just plain uninteresting.
Early Subotonick I find interesting, the little I've heard of it. His
Buchla "playing" is pretty damn cool. His
stuff from the last 10 years or so I've heard hasn't done much for me.
tim gueguen 101867
Chris Sienko
>
> I am looking for recs of certain contemporary composers and/or
> the stuff in the music library at the station here or keep it
> in mind for purchases. I have listed some artists but I'm not
> very knowledgeable in these areas at all so feel free to name
> names I've left out.
>
If you're looking around in venerable music libraries (such as in
university music libraries, for example...one here in Saginaw has a huge
selection of modern classical/experimental stuff, but you have to listen
to it in their listening rooms...tho' they never seem to mind when I
carry a suspiciously heavy backpack [read: four track recorder] into the
room with me...) that still contain a fair amount of Deutsch Grammophone
stype fare, look for anything with _Gesang Der Junglinge_ on it...my
personal favorite of Stockhausen's electronic works. Also, _Kontakte_
and _Kurzwellen_ are pretty interesting combinations of electronics,
tape and live instruments (Haven't heard the Ecstatic Peace! performance
of _Kontakte_, but I'm sure it's also good)
> stravinsky
Has anyone here still not heard the story that _Le Sacre Du Printemps_
(The Rite of Spring) caused a riot at its premier showing? Anyway, it's
still that great. Stravinsky petered out a bit later on in life,
deciding that all his experimentation was a step in the wrong direction,
but this and _The Firebird_ especially are worth a listen.
> cage
All theoretcially sound, but some of his records are more interesting to
listen to than others. I don't have a lot of Cage, but I'm told things
like _Williams Mix_, _HPSCHD_ and _Variations II_ are good starting
points, and from personal experience, I recommend the _Indeterminacy_
double disc set. It's a combination of Cage reading zen stories of
varying lengths for a minute each (speeding up or slowing down as
necessary to make each one a minute), while David Tudor plays pieces of
assorted Cage compositions on piano and triggers tapes of _Williams Mix_
and others. Neither can hear the other as they do their thing.
Delightfully confusing.
> varese
_Poem Electronique_ is considered one of the first musique concrete
"compositions." At least in America, I think. What little I've heard on
real audio files and such sounded good. And Varese's percussion works
like _Ionisation_ are/were both a huge influence on Frank Zappa and the
shit.
> musique concrete
Pierre Henry is apparently the one to start with here, though I've not
heard him. I gotta give high marks to american musique concrete composer
Tod Dockstader here. Two discs on the Starkland label (_Quartermass_ and
_Apocolypse_) compile his small but brilliant musique concrete output.
It's all vital, and all amazing to hear considering that this shit was
done in the late 50s/early 60s with one and two track recorders..."Water
Music" still kicks the shit out of 95% of Aube's water creations.
And for a short dose of some directions in musique concrete, the
Metamkine _Cinema For the Ear_ series is all 3" CDs, each about $6,
showcasing 20 minutes of different concrete composers from the '30s to
the present.
> free jazz
Lots already mentioned, Ayler, Coltrane, Ra...if you can find it cheap
or it's in your station's music library, the _Live In Japan_ 4CD set is
utterly essential, and terrifying. Apart from wonderful Coltrane
contributions, it has some of Pharoah Sanders' wildest moments, and
great bassing from Jimmy Garrison, who gets two 15 minute solos amidst
the four hours of material here. Also worth hearing is anything by any
of the AACM alumni pre-75, especially. Art Ensemble of Chicago, Muhal
Richard Abrams, Roscoe Mitchell, etc. Braxton's _Three Compositions of
the New Jazz_ is a superb bridge between modern classical (see above)
and free jazz...very abstract, and very moving after a few listens.
> early electronic music
Morton Subotnick's _The Silver Apples of the Moon_ and _The Wild Bull_
have been reissued on one CD through Wergo (on Forced Exposure's page as
well), a little pricey at $18, but certainly one of the most
head-blowing hours you'll give to yourself. Much harder to find is
Dockstader's _8 Electronic Pieces_, also cool and very much in the same
vein, predates his musique concrete works above, and on Folkways, of all
things...
> other...???????
For modern classical, gotta recommend the composer Iancu Dumitrescu of
Romania. Nearly all his works have been catalogued these last few years
and can also be found at Forced Expsoure. They are the darkest ambient,
string scraping, seemingly random clattering, sound that I've ever heard
even vaguely described as "classical." Kinda like Ligeti (damn, forgot
to mention him...I think Ligeti's pretty consistently wild throughout
his discography) taken to even darker and more sinister extremes, and
apparently an outgrowth of something called the "Spectral" school of
composition, Dumitrescu works in "Diagonal sound" (I don't know what the
hell that means, either), and any of his discs on Edition Modern is
frightening and otherworldly. The 23 minute "Medium III" for solo
contrabass is superb, and sure doesn't sound like one instrument!
Others to check out: Harry Partch (all homemade instruments, performed
on a 43 note microtonal octave), Iannis Xenakis (the newly released
_Elctronic Music_ or _Legende D'Er_). Check out the Forced Expsoure
site, browse especially through the Wergo site, which has lots of
annotations and directions to explore. I know you've lamented the
unbelieveable import prices of things like NWW in the past, and I hate
to be the one to tell you, but if you're looking to explore 20th century
classical, I'm afraid you're out of the frying pan...
'til later,
Chris
cmsi...@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com
Chris Sienko
>
I'd also recomend Most anything by Roland Kirk, another musician
> who'm I think took his Music further then most.
Hell yeah. I tend to forget about Kirk sometimes when talking about free
jazz, since he was able (and did) play just as well in a "straight"
mode. _Rip Rig & Panic_ and _The Man Who Cried Fire_ are good starting
points, for me.
I'm also a big fan of most
> Eric Dolphy, his "out to Lunch" LP should be considered "esential" listining to
> anybody who's interested in Jazz.
Great ensemble and some of my favorite Tony Williams drumming...it's
just "jazz" enough to hook people not into free and totally free enough
to grab the rest of you.
> Also (and here's one for you brent) anybody here ever heard any Ivo Papasov??
AW YEAH! Papasov is a real headspinner. I read something somewhere that
described it as sounding like Magma doing Bulgarian wedding music, and
while it's not nearly that pretentious (anybody hear Magma's attempt at
a "negro spiritual" on _Attahk_? Oh dear...), it is that firey!! I get
winded just listening to this guy...
-Chris
cmsi...@POTTEDMEATPRODUCTyahoo.com
Chris Sienko
> I've always thought some of the best "noise" is the sound of an orchestra warming up
> and tuning their instruments before a show. It is a precise few momments when a
> bunch of great players are sitting around not paying attention to each other playing
> bits of pieces of nothing. Everything just flows and meanders around with no
> direction or implied purpose, and all the acoustic instruments give it a nice tone.
I'm glad someone else enjoys this magic little moment before the
"actual" music starts.
-Chris
Arrr!
to recommend. Its one of those supergroup records. Its got Taylor, Pharoah
Sanders, Don Cherry, and a bunch of others. Really dense horn arrangements
and some fine playing by taylor. Theres also one song that sounds very
psychedelic with feedback and guitars. Does anyone know if this ever made
it onto cd?? Ive yet to find a copy to replace my tattered lp.
foe
> I'm glad someone else enjoys this magic little moment before the
> "actual" music starts.
i have heard... but this is yet to be confirmed that when ravi shankar
was tunning is sitar at woodstock festival everyone assumed he was
playing and got applause when finishing.
Dimitri
<dust.net>
foe
> Early Subotonick I find interesting, the little I've heard of it. His
> Buchla "playing" is pretty damn cool. His
> stuff from the last 10 years or so I've heard hasn't done much for me.
i'm not familiar with his newest stuff, but his early stuff like "wild
bull" and "silver apple" are definitly some of the best early
electronic music. the second part of "wild bull" is in mu opinion 25
years in advance on his time. it was written in 1968.
Dimitri
<dust.net>
Stig Mathausen
>
> Yes, I mentioned Forced Exposure before, and I forgot to mention that
> partly why it's recommended is cause of the great write-ups for the
> albums they carry...
>
Speaking of FE, what the heck has happened with their selection lately? I
notice how they're carrying a lot of disco and techno lately - has Jimmy
started burning out on underground rock/psych/etc.?
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terribly expensive (imports), and uncommon to find used.
I should note I didn't really "get" AMM on record until after I saw them live.
I prefer the Eddie Prevost/Keith Rowe/John Tilbury lineup. John Tilbury's
piano work adds incredible dimension to their sound, and John Tilbury's
guitar techniques are stunning. Eddie Prevost's percussion is always
astounding. Check out Generative Themes, my favorite.
Destin
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know if it has been re-issue on CD or not...
Andrew Clare
giacinto scelsi
ligeti
xenakis
penderecki
zimmerman
morton feldman
herman nitsch
messiaen
dolden
carter
uh... there's about a million others..
free/improv:
anything on Incus or FMP would be a good place to start, also LEO, although
their output seems a little flaky and inconsistent at times.
.. i started making a list but it got out of hand.
i'm sure there's people more immersed in all this stuff that could give you
a list as long as your arm... both arms.
good luck.
Robb Cunningham <h...@yo.whats.up> wrote in article
<35E85D...@yo.whats.up>...
> I am looking for recs of certain contemporary composers and/or
> free/improv jazz type stuff. I will keep this info and look for
> the stuff in the music library at the station here or keep it
> in mind for purchases. I have listed some artists but I'm not
> very knowledgeable in these areas at all so feel free to name
> names I've left out.
>
> stockhausen
> stravinsky
> cage
> pierre schafer
> varese
> musique concrete
> free jazz
> early electronic music
> sun ra
> coltrane
> other...???????
>
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Gary Robert Kelly
>Schaeffer's discography fits on one cd. Some french title.
>Luc Ferrari is excellent too. There's some lady I heard once that was
>wonderful, but I've forgotten her name.
Pauline Oliveros?
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Drew C Youngren
# > >early electronic music
James Randall - Monologues for a Mass Murderer (1965) - on a Wergo
compilation I have of early computer music. This is the most developed
piece by far and rather interesting. Also on it is Max V Matthews'
'Bicycle Built for Two' (later used as HAL's swansong).
# There's some Berio/Beckett collaboration out there that is just insane.
Sinfonia (1968) by Luciano Berio. Not exactly a "collaboration" though. A
hodge-podge of Mahler scherzos, some guy reading snippets from
Beckett's 'The Unnamed' (in movement 3 I believe), and a whole mess of
other stuff. Definitely worth finding.
Drew
Andrew Hayleck
>
> I'm looking for good titles by Cecil Taylor. I have a lot of "standard"
> free jazz titles like O. Coleman's "Free Jazz" and Coletrane's
> "Innerstellar..." but I'm looking for something really fast, furious and
> superchaotic by Taylor. Something that never lets up for the entire
> disc. He has so many titles I don't know where to start! Any
> suggesstions anybody? Thanks.
>
Nefertiti: the beautyful one has come
2 cds, live Cecil Tayor, Jimmy Lyons and Sunny Murray on drums. quite
ferocious. the piano is out of tune but the energy more than compensates
andy
James Whitehead
<f...@dust.net> writes
(tripple box set?) which apart from RS and Harri Harrison is mostly
audience- from N.Y. i think..produced by phil spector.
>
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Robb Cunningham
far. This was definitely more than I expected! I have written down
ALL names mentioned, and will surely check as many as I can out, all
in good time.....
To start, I went into the radio station library and grabbed all the
Coltrane CDs they had (only 3, sadly enough). Absolutely
incredible. Mindblowing. good stuff.
Andrew Russ
>i have heard... but this is yet to be confirmed that when ravi shankar
>was tunning is sitar at woodstock festival everyone assumed he was
>playing and got applause when finishing.
>
If i remember right, Shankar made this comment at the Cocnert for
Bangladesh. He tunes a bit and the audience applauds. He responds by
saying "since you enjoyed the tuning up so much i hope you will like
the performance even more". Something like that.
I don't think Shankar played Woodstock. He did play Monterey.
andrew
Colin Pascal
wyvern (wyv...@cinci.infi.net) writes:
> Yes, I mentioned Forced Exposure before, and I forgot to mention that
> partly why it's recommended is cause of the great write-ups for the
> albums they carry...
Read what the have to say about all of the Alchemy releases. FE just hate
wall-of-noise, it's really funny!
Colin.
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Andrew Clare
> >> > Unless someone's mentioned them already (which I'm not surprised if
they
> >> > have) the AMM.
> >>
> >> recommendations as to specific records?
th earlier stuff is alot noisier, i have a fair amount of this on tape and
it's pretty dense, the CD's i got are all fairly recent with the same line
up (tilbury, rowe, prevost) and they're all pretty similar. out of the
one's i've got i'd reccomend Newfoundland (the others are 'Allentown' and
'before driving to the chapel..')
'combine and laminates' is ultra spacious and quiet. pretty good.
SME are pretty cool.
everything derek bailey ever did is worth a listen,
i think as far as improv goes (and i guess this is also the case with free
jazz) it's a case of figuring out a couple of people who's style you like,
and trying out releases with them on and just expanding your knowledge
base. i recently saw (roger?) Turner play in a trio with max gustaffson and
pat thomas - they all really really really ruled. turner is a truly
captivating drummer.
i just got dave burrell's 'echo' LP (the re-issue on 'affinity') and that
shreds.
Alan Silva also.
uh, i'll add more later..
Robb Cunningham
>
> >To start, I went into the radio station library and grabbed all the
> >Coltrane CDs they had (only 3, sadly enough). Absolutely
> >incredible. Mindblowing. good stuff.
>
Meditations, Live at Birdland, and one just called Coltrane.
Meditations is the only one that's really insane or close to noise in
any way, but they're all very good. the only thing that bothers me
is that the sax is panned to the right ear on all the discs. This is
ok when listened to on my little boombox but when I recorded it to a
tape for my car and drove around a bit it got really annoying to only
have sax in one ear. So I've had to spend a bunch of money (around
6 dollars!!!!) buying little adaptors to record in mono. anyway
I also got Sun Ra "somewhere else" and "Purple Night" and three
Ornette Coleman discs that I haven't listened to yet
Robert Plante
>notice how they're carrying a lot of disco and techno lately - has Jimmy
>started burning out on underground rock/psych/etc.?
This has been going on for the past 3-4 years, and many FE heads I know are
bewildered, frustrated and amused all at once. I guess JJ doesn't seem to
gleam as critical an eye on techno as he does other forms. Fawny awe and
all that...
Stay high,
Robert Plante
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excellent non biased coverage of material that might be considered
marginal, in commercial terms at least.