Essential Noise Recommendations: The Full Monty
Bless Ed
so here we go. This is my noise vision in the croaking jeering net:
First, Japan. In Japan we can gracefully name-tag the old hangers-on
such as: Merzbow, hallowed be thy name; Incapacitants, a surprisingly
fluid picture of noise like it was meant to be (you haven't heard
Incapacitants until you've heard _No Progress_); and K2, utterly
brilliant in nearly every noise sense (_Metal Dysplasia_ and _The Rust_
will make an instant convert out of the most cynical naysayer.) Contrary
to a lot of outdated bad press, Hijokaidan's newer work (everything from
_Windom_ on) is phenomenal, period. (More than half of said work
features Akita of Merzbow on drums and Kosakai of Incapacitants on
vocals and/or electronics.) Hijo mainstay Jojo has himself released a
solo guitar effort that borders on sublime. And although it's difficult
to say where they're headed, CCCC deserve a mention, having long-ago
secured a place in the hallowed Hall of Noise with the noise classic
_Loud Sounds Dopa_ (check out _Flash_ while you're at it). Solmania
evolves with each and every new release and has made a solid impression
on the prestigious shoulders of _Evil Bed_ and _Trembling Tongues_.
Of the younger-but-established Japanese outfits, Govt Alpha have shown
themselves to be most elastic, multi-talented and well-networked
(_Ephemereal Warmth_, _Pulse_). See also the wacky Govt Alpha side-proj
S.Isabella. Kazumoto Endo's carefully composed stuttering-K2-on-crack
impersonation has served to propelled the little Bugger rapidly into the
noise elite (seems somebody can catch up to Kusafuka after all.) MSBR
say they're getting out of noise, and if so they're going out with a
serious bang (_Final Harsh Work_ series). Thirdorgan. Well. Thirdorgan
has impressed from day one. With their own special brand of non-organic
wittlery Thirdorgan remain Japan's Most Underrated Noise Band
(_Jinzoningen_). Pain Jerk is universally acknowledged as successor to
the Merzbow crown, though some Merzbowlians may beg to differ
(dissenting Merzbowlians are advised to check out _Gallon Gravy_, an
utter brain-disemboweller, lightyears ahead of most all Merzbow I've
heard.)
The next generation of Japanese brethren-- those just starting to make
the rounds-- have proven no less equal to the challenges laid out by
their predecessors. They may even teach the old codgers a thing or two:
Mo-te (_Life in a Peaceful New World_, _Taste Die Mad_); Crack Steel
(_Kingdom of Pain_); Crack Fierce (split w/Mlehst); MDM (_Underdone
Tape_); see also MDM side-project Building of Gel (_Red_). Xome has
started making noise again, which is news all good noiseheads should be
perking up at (_Glue for the Masses_).
Other promising Japanese outfits include: Timisoara, Outermost, Anaklyst
and Moly Poly.
On the American side, the old Macronympha horse has shown itself capable
of more than a few new tricks (_Intensive Care_), thanks in part to a
hefty infusion of often-times ambient talent from the mighty Stimbox.
Stimbox, a heavy-hitter in his own right, has slowly but most assuredly
pedalled his noisy ass to the top of the noise peak (_Crush_, _Forced
Feedback_). Borbetomagus don't associate with noise, and enjoy heavy
circulation among the free jazz/psyche/acousti/academic crowd, but that
doesn't mean noiseheads can't enjoy them (_Live in Tokyo_ represents
some of the heaviest improv shite ever recorded. Other newish Borbetoma,
like _Experience the Magic_, are essential noise nourishment). Skin
Crime is to America what Thirdorgan is to Japan, and deserve much more
attention than they recevieve (_Whorebutcher_, _Unnatrual Disasters_
w/Govt Alpha). Richard Ramirez had a number of moments, and may yet have
a few, if he can pull his head out of his arse for more than five
minutes. North of the border, the always impressive Knurl continues to
churn out a stunning array of quality cassette works (_Paraphasm_).
Of the younger-but-established Yank acts: the highly charged 666 Volt
Battery Noise (pure CD); the highly mobile JTCH (pure CD); the highly
contagious Bacillus (_Pandeplasmodium_); the highly disorienting Randy
Yau (_Monochrome Series III_); and the mostly perverse Taint
(_Whoredom_).
New Yank names to look out for include: Bob Marinelli, Audible XXY,
Strict, Flutter, Habayusa/Napalm Jesus, Orifice Training, Deathpile.
North of the border, Tension Hook.
In Europa, the list is even shorter. There's some excellent work coming
out of there, but a lot of it isn't what I would call noise. However...
Norway's loop-frantic Lasse Marhaug (_Headache Chocolate_ w/Govt Alpha);
France's no-fi Francois Douris (_Le Jour Arriva_); France's futuristic
Vivenza (_Aerobruitisme Dynamique_); England's rather quiet Mlehst
(_Automatic Nonsense_); England's rather snobbish Hyware (_2 tracks_);
England's rather brutish Dachise (_Elegant Aggression_); Finland's
resident freakboy Grunt (split lp w/Facialmess); Holland's nihilistic
Odal (_Groeitrauma_); Switzerland's drunken Runzelstirn & Gurglestock
(_Rudolf the Red-Nosed Doorkicker_); Germany's power electronic Azoikim
(_Dedicated to Jeffery Dahmer_); Italy's occasionally incorrigable
Dead Body Love (_Annihilation Devices_); and Lithuania's concrete-headed
naj (_Resituation_) should set you on your Euro way.
Brazil boasts the rarely paralleled shredded stylings of Armenia (split
w/Crack Fierce).
Australia's Peeled Hearts Paste may be worth keeping an eye on.
There you go. Go nuts.
Colin Pascal
Bless Ed (edb...@nevrical.com) writes:
> North of the border, the always impressive Knurl continues to
> churn out a stunning array of quality cassette works (_Paraphasm_).
Canadian noise is a spiralling stereo vortex. CPI will ensure Canada will
rise again and crush the moon!
Colin.
--
"Alas!" said Candide, "I have known this love, this sovereign of hearts,
this soul of our soul; all it has ever brought me was one kiss and twenty
kicks in the ass. How could this beautiful cause produce in you so
abominable an effect?" - from _Candide_, by Voltaire.
Bless Ed
How could I miss Facialmess? From Japan, the pasty-faced Facialmess are
making some of the most powerful shite available today. Do not miss the
spiffy new Spite tape, _The Madcap Barely Smiles_.
Note:
For those who actually care about such things, Orifice Training =
Richard Ramirez. A significant improvement over his Demeulemeester
one-off in any case.
Stimbox do not work in the ambient vein anymore, but their work is still
pretty damn spacious. America's answer to CCCC, but much more active and
open-ended.
Correction:
Armenia hail from Ecuador, not Brazil. Not that it matters. You can only
reach them, and the Bizarre Audio Arts front, through their
Florida-based contact.
Bless Ed
list. What is essential for you these days?
Jamie
Bless Ed wrote:
> Incidently, I'm eager to hear from all the other noiseheads on this
> list. What is essential for you these days?
uggg, so much stuff i havn;t heard.
Latest CD's i bought are a hawkwind live on from 1972, and a Magma one
and Shub Niggurath.
I was obbessed with Jethro Dulls "witches promise" for a day as well.
something about some of those early seventies bands......
none of which are noise!
Though i am waiting for GvmtAlpha/macro-nympha split and Contagious
Orgasm "examination of auditory" from RRR so maybe one of those will
prove to be essential!
jamie
jqu...@monmouth.com
> > list. What is essential for you these days?
comp). I just got burned with that damn Weird Little Boy CD (Zorn, Mike Patton,
Trey Spruance, etc) - it sucks, stay far far away. I'm spinning this new band called
System of a Down a lot as well. As far as noise goes, Merzbow's "1930" has a
constant slot in my CD player. Also been digging Scorn's "Whine" and Buckethead's
"The Day of the Robot."
I'm also waiting for my fucking copy of 16-17's "Gyatso" and am still trying to find a
place where I can order the new Ice album.... and I await the new Godflesh with
glee.
jqu...@monmouth.com
You wouldn't happen to be a journalist or music reviewer for something, would you? I
know I've seen the name Pascal as a byline somewhere.
> Canadian noise is a spiralling stereo vortex. CPI will ensure Canada will
> rise again and crush the moon!
Canada does breed some strange groups. Canadian grindcore, in particular, is very
odd and in a realm of its own (like Kataklysm).
jqu...@monmouth.com
>
> Arrogance rules. I promised I would recommend some essential noise and
> so here we go. This is my noise vision in the croaking jeering net:
and the other half I've always wondered about. I appreciate this.
SpruceHoll
I think you forgot to mention TADM, who do some really great stuff north of the
border
Jeff/Flutter
http://www.flutter.com
Colin Pascal
(jqu...@monmouth.com) writes:
> You wouldn't happen to be a journalist or music reviewer for something, would you? I
> know I've seen the name Pascal as a byline somewhere.
Nope, not me.
C.
Colin Pascal
(jqu...@monmouth.com) writes:
> I just got burned with that damn Weird Little Boy CD (Zorn, Mike Patton,
> Trey Spruance, etc) - it sucks, stay far far away.
What's it like, though?
Colin.
jqu...@monmouth.com
> > I just got burned with that damn Weird Little Boy CD (Zorn, Mike Patton,
> > Trey Spruance, etc) - it sucks, stay far far away.
>
> What's it like, though?
very bad musique concrete. Cartoon sound effects, reverse tape manipulation,
squeals, squawks, stupid chord progressions, etc. There is really no reason to buy
or listen to the CD - it's very boring, very pointless. What's funny is that the
packaging is really cool - it comes with this lengthy booklet that's built into the CD,
kinda like Lusk's "Free Mars." Anyway, the booklet contains all these strange prose
poems that suggest an abstract concept. I read the booklet before listening to the
CD, and I was kinda disappointed that they have absolutely nothing to do with each
other. Oh well. I'll have a review of it on the False Prophet Campaign site shortly, at
fpc.hypermart.net/reviews.html
Robb Cunningham
>
> Arrogance rules. I promised I would recommend some essential noise and
> so here we go. This is my noise vision in the croaking jeering net:
>
> First, Japan. In Japan we can gracefully name-tag the old hangers-on
Was Masonna left out on purpose?
SPElias
spruc...@aol.com (SpruceHoll) writes:
Y'all have also forgotten to mention The Nihlistic Spasm Band. A better example
of north country confusion does not exist (without the addition of cheese [not
a Wisconsin reference, hello Boy Dirt Car]).
Bless Ed
> Was Masonna left out on purpose?
You got a problem with that? ;-)
<sigh>
OK, fine, fine. If you're ever going to get one Masonna, get _Super
Compact Disc_. Maso has yet to match that one.
The PURE cd isn't bad either. Pure, blistering whitewash. Comparable to,
but more active than, and much better than, _Inner Mind Mystique_.
_Shinsen na Clitoris_ has a kind of wonderfully energetic trashiness
that makes it an (almost) essential early document.
These are all similar: _Ejaculation Generator_, _Spectrum Ripper_,
_Frequency LSD_. Very well pieced-together. If you like one, you'll like
them all. (similarities are a little too blatant, says me. one for each
major noise-continent, I suppose.)
_M.A.S.O.N.N.A._ represents Maso's stereophonic change of direction;
similar to the above three, but more primitive. If you're big on Maso
history, this is his big transitional marker.
_Nosk1 in Ana_ should be sought-after by those who can't find one of the
499 _Shinsen na Clitoris_. Contains the 10min "The Ultimate Masonanie",
which really is.
_Dyspersa_ is short but worthy.
_Hyper Chaotic_. Hmm. For completist's only.
_The Three Temples_ (collab with Hasegawa/CCCC and Nakajima/Aube) is
absolutely gorgeous in every sense. Much better value for your $ than
_The Passion of Rubbers_.
Happy?
adam.
On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Robb Cunningham wrote:
> Bless Ed wrote:
> >
> > Arrogance rules. I promised I would recommend some essential noise and
> > so here we go. This is my noise vision in the croaking jeering net:
> >
> > First, Japan. In Japan we can gracefully name-tag the old hangers-on
>
>
> Was Masonna left out on purpose?
i also noticed that AUBE was noticeably absent as well...or does not count
as "noise" anymore?
adam.
Menschenfiend
Does "NON" not even deserve mention? What about the "Atom Smashers"(Monte
Cazzaza), The Haters, Total ,Emil Beaulieu,Whitehouse, or Smersh.
Theirs also the Skingraft type of artists such as The Flying Lunabachers,U.S.
Maple,You Fantastic,Quintron, etc. Maybe they arent all complete noise but
they certainly deserve mention.
The "Violet Grind" Is a newer artist defiently worth checking out. Does very
harsh electronic noise,Experiments with sound, and hypnotic ambient.
Cant forget Costes. French Taboo breaker That incorporates noise into his
work. Has released books,cds,tapes,records,etc.
For those with a strong stomache The following would be recomended.
Rosemary Malign -- Power electronics and Harsh noise combine. Also uses lots
of cut up sounds and does some 50's pop.
Randall Phillip--Writer/Publisher of "Fuck", Extermination Zone,&Wrote for
Anser Me! Did the sound to Tape Terror. Will have a 2 new cds released soon.
Their are lots of others that Have seemed to slip my mind for the time being.
Rev.Goat
wrote:
<etc.>
You've got me looking for Thirdorgan.
As to what's been essential around my place recently, I'm back in the
_150 Murderous Passions_ mood, and so I've been putting it on infinite
repeat while cleaning the apartment. I have to be in the mood for it,
but when I am I can submerge myself utterly.
Whitehouse's _Twice Is Not Enough_-- first WH I ever owned-- is still
in heavy rotation after seven years.
Merzbow: I've been listening mostly to _Batz-tou-tai_ and _Akasha
Gulva_ over the last few weeks, but fell asleep last night to
_Noisembryo_ (perhaps the first time I've had it out of the rack since
I got it and listened to it once).
So far, the two best CDs I've heard this year are Merzbow's
_Decomposition_ and Aube's _Pages from the Book_. I'm not normally a
huge Aube fan, but this is just plain amazing work.
Fr.Goatley
Stig Mathausen
>
> On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:42:15 GMT, Bless Ed <edb...@nevrical.com>
> wrote:
>
> <etc.>
>
> You've got me looking for Thirdorgan.
>
> As to what's been essential around my place recently, I'm back in the
> _150 Murderous Passions_ mood, and so I've been putting it on infinite
> repeat while cleaning the apartment. I have to be in the mood for it,
> but when I am I can submerge myself utterly.
>
> Whitehouse's _Twice Is Not Enough_-- first WH I ever owned-- is still
> in heavy rotation after seven years.
Yeah...am I the only one who thinks that WH's reputation would not suffer if
everything pre-"My Cock's on Fire" was bulk-erased?
As for Bless Ed's Tension Hook mentions...izaat you, J.?
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> Robb Cunningham spewed:
> > Was Masonna left out on purpose?
>
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Fuck man, I didn't even know (until now) that Masonna had that many releases.
jsc...@my-dejanews.com
jqu...@monmouth.com wrote:
> > (jqu...@monmouth.com) writes:
> > > I just got burned with that damn Weird Little Boy CD (Zorn, Mike Patton,
> > > Trey Spruance, etc) - it sucks, stay far far away.
> >
> > What's it like, though?
> Well, it's basically just a very noodling, unfocused affair. Some of the songs
sound like
> very bad musique concrete. Cartoon sound effects, reverse tape manipulation,
> squeals, squawks, stupid chord progressions, etc.
Whats wrong with all of this? Sounds cool to me. I love WLB myself. Go to
"http://members.xoom.com/jschuth" to find more about it and to get a mp3
Bless Ed
> > Was Masonna left out on purpose?
>
> as "noise" anymore?
Not "essential noise" anyway. Same goes for Masonna.
While Aube does work in the noise field, his most essential work falls
predominantly outside that field: _Metal de Metal_, _Magnetostriction_,
_Frequency for Collapse_, etc.
Of his noisier stuff, I recommend: _The Four Shrines_ (with Pain Jerk,
Solmania and Mikawa/Incapacitants), _Quadrotation_, _Wired Trap_.
There are of course grey areas. Aube spreads himself fairly far and wide
(and thin), but in my view, he really isn't doing much for noise as
noise. The whole notion of "high structure" runs counter to my noise
vision. What makes noise interesting to me is the movement outside the
structure. The continuous rush of extremely high-velocity subsurface
tension: the uncompromising force of pure sound pressure. There are
literally thousands of ways of achieving this. Almost all of them
involve tweaking-- manipulating the minutest sonic details-- not
structuring. Aube works very well with structure, but he does not work
well with what goes on beyond that structure. Aube has shown us how to
treat and manouevre large blocks of more or less "harsh" sound. But
there's a lot of other movement going on in there as well, which Aube
completely ignores. Aube ignores noise completely. For me as a
noisehead, it is far more interesting to listen for the noise that
develops in spite of Aube's best efforts than because of them. So no,
Aube is not an essential noise-maker.
Look, this is just one opinion out of dozens. If you see some blanks
open, by all means fill them in. And make some specific recommendations
while you're at it.
dani...@my-dejanews.com
> Look, this is just one opinion out of dozens. If you see some blanks
> open, by all means fill them in. And make some specific recommendations
> while you're at it.
>
Noise Recommendation". However, before you read what I say about it, keep
in mind that I actually just got it today and have been playing it on repeat
...So maybe my opinion is biased or something.
Anyway, I currently love this disc and have been playing it constantly
because it is harsh, unpredictable, and interesting all in one. I don't
think it ever gets boring because it constantly switches to something else
that grabs your attention. When it gets harsh it then slows down to a quiet
acoustic setting, only to come back more harsh or to have half-second cutups
of harshness as if to tempt you somewhat. It's like, you know it's going to
get intense very soon, but you're not sure when.
Also, unlike other noise discs this has what I consider an intere
dani...@my-dejanews.com
> Also, unlike other noise discs this has what I consider an intere
"Numero 5" as an essential disc, here's the rest of that message. Sorry,
if this is annoying...
Also, unlike other noise discs this has what I consider an interesting
structure. Other discs sound like totally random bits of sound all the way
through, but sometimes when I hear a certain sound on "Numero 5", I think
it was just *meant* to be there and that was the perfect place to put it.
Other times, something comes up and it totally takes me off guard. Finally,
"Numero 5" has a great ending. Towards the end you hear what sounds like
distorted drums or something (I'm not sure exactly) and I think it just
sounds perfect. Each time I listen to this, I get the feeling Masonna really
took some time into it.
And a thing I like about Masonna is he uses his voice. How many other noise
artists do this as much as he does? I can't think of any. Actually the onl
jqu...@monmouth.com
> > Well, it's basically just a very noodling, unfocused affair. Some of the songs
> sound like
> > very bad musique concrete. Cartoon sound effects, reverse tape manipulation,
> > squeals, squawks, stupid chord progressions, etc.
>
> Whats wrong with all of this? Sounds cool to me. I love WLB myself.
WLB releases besides the one I have (done in 1995, I believe)?
jqu...@monmouth.com
Let's say you hear a band that sounds like Human Remains (or Carcass, or old
Napalm Death, you get the idea) - only with no drums. Same highspeed guitar and
bass, screaming and yelling - just no drums whatsoever. What would you call that?
Would it simply be "drumless grindcore," or something else? And would you actually
listen to something like that?
wyvern
>
> Yeah...am I the only one who thinks that WH's reputation would not suffer if
> everything pre-"My Cock's on Fire" was bulk-erased?
As you suspect, I would have to disagree. While I think w/ Mommy and
Daddy, a new "phase" is being struck, in order to see where it's headed,
one has to consider everything up til then and beyond, etc. "My Cock's
On Fire" didn't just pop out of their pants. Sure, considering pure
reputation, you may just have a very aggressive action oriented band,
what with just GWDeath (pure statement along the lines of "My Cock,"
yes), and sure W/H would "have their place" in the sense of
reputation... But really still, W/H *is* more than that. Great thing
about W/H is how most everything seems essential once you get going; the
experience and impact of W/H strengthens in a way that the research of
other musical groups can't touch. Reputation may earn a place or two on
a mix tape; W/H demands a full media shelf of yours.
Anyway, consider "Peter Kurten," w/ its concentrated assaults; formed
like an album hardcore punks worship. "Ilsa Koch," desolate landscapes
that need whole record sides to breath and bring the experience into
your little home. "New Britain"... its relevance is stated with its
title. Heck, "Birthdeath Experience" is to me one of the most striking
statements in popular music, sonically and thematically.
THat's perhaps why the discography is important -- that as with most
great "industrial" whatever there's some great deal of preproduction put
into the product; every action made is done with careful thought, yet
swift precision. Most groups grope as they go, finding dimes on the
ground every couple of blocks. Rattle out some power electronics, yell
about "ho's" and "surgery" and slap it into xeroxed bondage cases. Why?
Many groups don't know why, really. W/H "hit the ground running" if you
will.
Better stop before going too far on a tangent. Anyway, not to play
these types of games, but methinks W/H don't worry much about
reputation, unless it blocks distribution of their records (which it
has), or prevents them from performing live (which it has).
w
Robb Cunningham
>
> Robb Cunningham spewed:
> > Was Masonna left out on purpose?
>
>
> <sigh>
>
> OK, fine, fine. If you're ever going to get one Masonna, get _Super
> Compact Disc_. Maso has yet to match that one.
[snip list]
> _Hyper Chaotic_. Hmm. For completist's only.
I found it funny that I owned the 2 CDs at the bottom and top of your
list, and I thought they were pretty much the same except that Hyper
Chaotic was better so I sold the other one
DrDemon
About noise... Is AUBE also concidered as "noise" ?
Does anyone know about the "Nerf Vague Minimalistique" album ? It seems to be
pretty hard to find one...
Thnkx,
Dr.D.
Brad Bizzolt
>Does anyone know about the "Nerf Vague Minimalistique" album ? It seems to be
>pretty hard to find one...
I believe that one was based on blood vessels, released as a 10" packaged between
two sheets of plexiglass. It was on some European label whose name I forget.
I may be confusing that description with some other release, though. Imagine that;
not being able to keep track of his releases.
Anyway, that's as informative as I can be. I'm sure someone else can help more.
==
The Fantastics! - a generic noise assault.
http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Halfpipe/2685
My email is: bizzolt(at)hotmail(dot)com
Ed Blake
: >Colin Pascal wrote:
: You wouldn't happen to be a journalist or music reviewer for something, would you? I
: > Canadian noise is a spiralling stereo vortex. CPI will ensure Canada will
: > rise again and crush the moon!
: Canada does breed some strange groups. Canadian grindcore, in particular, is very
: odd and in a realm of its own (like Kataklysm).
Here's an interesting thought.
The Germans have Krautrock, the French: Progrock, the Japs: extreame
noise. And it seems to me that Canadians have Electro-accoustic music.
Robb Cunningham
I made drumless grindcore once.... on an acoustic guitar
Arrr!
> jqu...@monmouth.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a question that I'd like some people to throw about:
> >
> > Let's say you hear a band that sounds like Human Remains (or Carcass, or old
> > Napalm Death, you get the idea) - only with no drums. Same highspeed guitar and
> > bass, screaming and yelling - just no drums whatsoever. What would you call that?
> > Would it simply be "drumless grindcore," or something else? And would you actually
> > listen to something like that?
>
>
Grindcore means genre. Grindcore drummers play blastbeats. Call it whatever, just not
clap thrash. there is already a fast band that uses claps instead of blastbeats.
Bless Ed
> I noticed much missing from the list.
> Does "NON" not even deserve mention?
> What about the "Atom Smashers"(Monte
> Cazzaza), The Haters, Total ,Emil Beaulieu,Whitehouse, or Smersh.
My list has two intentions: cover the noise I prefer and remain focused.
To keep things focused, I cannot veer too far off the beaten path of
good, hard, noise. Start getting into Non, Total and Smersh and the list
grows too bloated to manage.
If Total get the call, so do Skullflower, Autodidact, Null, Haino.
If Whitehouse get the call, so do Genocide Organ, Con-Dom, Slogun,
Brighter Death Now, Atrax Morgue, Anenzephalia, Grey Wolves,
Soldnergeist, Murder Corporation, Cazzo Dio, Non.
If Emil Beaulieau get the call, so do AMK, Haters, Howard Stelzer, Tac,
Achim Wollschied, P16.D4, PBK, Brume, Kapotte Musiek, Kaiser Nietzsche,
Smell & Quim, SoKoRa, John Waterman, Roger Doyle, Nurse With Wound.
(Beaulieau and Haters are more performance-oriented anyway.)
If Costes get the call, so do Hanatarashi, The Boredoms, Gerogerigegege,
Violent Onsen Geisha, Ran, Big City Orchestra, Nihilist Spasm Band,
Palate Clamp, Intrinsic Action, early Residents, Christal Belle Scrodd,
Smegma, Swastikas-era Current 93.
At some point, one must draw the line. Which is why I've asked everyone
to draw some of their own. Compile enough lines together and we might
just manage something very worthwhile and readable.
I'm glad you made the effort.
(I was not at all impressed with the Violet Grind side of their split
with Facialmess, but they have two chances yet. Ms Malign has a hefty
three to work with. The next Deborah Jaffe?)
Bless Ed
> I found it funny that I owned the 2 CDs at the bottom and top of your
> list, and I thought they were pretty much the same except that Hyper
> Chaotic was better so I sold the other one
It's a decision you will come to regret for the rest of your life, mark
my words! ;-)
Gary Robert Kelly
>> Let's say you hear a band that sounds like Human Remains (or Carcass,
or old
>> Napalm Death, you get the idea) - only with no drums. Same highspeed
guitar and
>> bass, screaming and yelling - just no drums whatsoever. What would
you call that?
>> Would it simply be "drumless grindcore," or something else? And would
you actually
>> listen to something like that?
>
>I made drumless grindcore once.... on an acoustic guitar
Pah. I was doing acoustic blurr in 1990.
--
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Brad Bizzolt
>(I was not at all impressed with the Violet Grind side of their split
>with Facialmess,
I would've been more impressed with it if I could hear it. I can't tell
if the drop-outs are part of the tracks or if they're standard tape
degenerations. Rather lo-fi all around, something that really doesn't
work with their styles.
Menschenfiend
just harsh noise. Most of the other artists you mentioned are also high on
my list. Who is Deborah Jaffe? Also give the Violet Grind another try. He
does some good work. I havent heard the facialmess split so I dont know
about that one.
You can hear samples of Rosemary on the Menschenfiend message board. She
does mostly hate type noise. She does have a sense of humor though, so dont
take all of it too serious. Ok whatever
>
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Stig Mathausen
>
> Stig Mathausen wrote:
> >
> > Yeah...am I the only one who thinks that WH's reputation would not suffer if
> > everything pre-"My Cock's on Fire" was bulk-erased?
>
> As you suspect, I would have to disagree. While I think w/ Mommy and
> Daddy, a new "phase" is being struck, in order to see where it's headed,
> one has to consider everything up til then and beyond, etc. "My Cock's
> On Fire" didn't just pop out of their pants. Sure, considering pure
> reputation, you may just have a very aggressive action oriented band,
> what with just GWDeath (pure statement along the lines of "My Cock,"
> yes), and sure W/H would "have their place" in the sense of
> reputation... But really still, W/H *is* more than that. Great thing
> about W/H is how most everything seems essential once you get going; the
> experience and impact of W/H strengthens in a way that the research of
> other musical groups can't touch. Reputation may earn a place or two on
> a mix tape; W/H demands a full media shelf of yours.
>
Well, I'll retract a li'l bit. Certainly WH does have a certain esoteric
addictive quality most of their fellow-travellers lack, and no doubt I'll be
plugging the holes in the collection eventually. Their purity and consistancy
of vision relative to others of their era is to be noted. And William Bennett
is a damn nice guy. However, I do believe it was only during the post-ComeOrg
era that WH really delivered the sonic goods consistantly - started walking it
like they wre talking it, if you will. Too much of the early stuff, like "New
Britain", is a little too minimal to really back up the sentiments protrayed by
the titles. Feedback and screaming does have its place, but I expect more brute
force from tracks with titles like "Viking Section" or "Active Force" than what
is delivered. Whch dosen't prevent it from being a fine Saturday morning listen
or well above a typical release over most other pwr-electronics types, but
compared to stuff like "Thank Your Lucky Stars" or "Halogen", well, it dosen't
pack the same punch.
On this note: can anyone ID the folks in the pics in the "Lucky Stars" booklet?
The only WH member pics I've seen wre on the "quality Time" booklet...
Brent C
> sound like
> > very bad musique concrete. Cartoon sound effects, reverse tape manipulation,
> > squeals, squawks, stupid chord progressions, etc.
Sounds cool. Are there any vocals?
Ed Blake
: Ok . I understand what you are getting at. I didnt even notice that it was
: just harsh noise. Most of the other artists you mentioned are also high on
: my list. Who is Deborah Jaffe?
She's the woman on the cover of that Sleepchamber record with handcuffs on
her ankles. (Used without her permission BTW. Zewiss (sp!) did send her 20
copies of the record though). She was 1/2 of Viscera with Hal McGee, who
was Dog as Master, and put out a zine (Electric Cottage) for awhile.
Her stuff is S&M themed, with noise backgrounds. Kinda borring, but
naughty. She recorded under the name Master Slave Relationship, and still
may, I've been out of that loop for 8 or 9 years now.
Jamie
> . And it seems to me that Canadians have Electro-accoustic music.
...and Rush and Voivod!
;-)
Bless Ed
tapes in the mid-late 80s and handful of videos and cds in early 90s
which document, in a very personal way, Jaffe's own views on sexualilty,
power, control, bdsm, et al. Their most notorious work, an LP entitled
_This Lubricious Love_ (RRR), was actually officially banned by Canada
Customs back in '89. (i always get a kick trying to imagine these
customs officials listening carefully to Jaffe's garbled messages. I
couldn't make out what she was on about half the time.) _This Lubriciuos
Love_ is the only one I'd recommend to noiseheads (frankly, her work is
kind of on the cheese side for the most part, imo) but it's quite good.
The CD-reissue, also from RRR, includes remix work from Akita/Merzbow.
Other MSR hits include _Desire to Castrate Father_, _Blue Faced Lust_,
_Semi-Automatic Man Stoppers_ and _Music for a Sadomasochistic Scene_.
MSR also recently released a CD-ROM called _Smut Picture Racket_ which
does a fine job encapsulating Jaffe's world view in 600 short MB.
Check out their homepage:
jqu...@monmouth.com
> clap thrash. there is already a fast band that uses claps instead of blastbeats.
joke... Anyway, I think that drumless grindcore could be pretty interesting - if you
have a guitar player who play well enough to engage your ear without drums (which
is why I first thought of Human Remains. Maybe Soilent Green too, or Agoraphoibc
Nosebleed).
On this subject, I finally obtained that Discordance Axis CD. Dave Witt is god.
Amen.
Rev.Goat
wrote:
>Rev.Goat wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:42:15 GMT, Bless Ed <edb...@nevrical.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <etc.>
>>
>> You've got me looking for Thirdorgan.
>>
>> As to what's been essential around my place recently, I'm back in
the
>> _150 Murderous Passions_ mood, and so I've been putting it on
infinite
>> repeat while cleaning the apartment. I have to be in the mood for
it,
>> but when I am I can submerge myself utterly.
>>
>> Whitehouse's _Twice Is Not Enough_-- first WH I ever owned-- is
still
>> in heavy rotation after seven years.
>
>Yeah...am I the only one who thinks that WH's reputation would not
suffer if
>everything pre-"My Cock's on Fire" was bulk-erased?
Actually, just because I had _Twice_ first doesn't mean I don't love
the old stuff... _Dedicated to Peter Kurten_ has some incredible
tracks on it (I put "Ripper Territory" at the beginning of mix tapes I
make for "normal" people...)
Fr.Goatley
on: hangover
Ed Blake
Distribution:
Ed Blake (ebl...@sfu.ca) wrote:
: Menschenfiend (mensch...@blackplague.org) wrote:
: : Ok . I understand what you are getting at. I didnt even notice that it was
: : just harsh noise. Most of the other artists you mentioned are also high on
: : my list. Who is Deborah Jaffe?
: She's the woman on the cover of that Sleepchamber record with handcuffs on
: her ankles. (Used without her permission BTW. Zewiss (sp!) did send her 20
: copies of the record though). She was 1/2 of Viscera with Hal McGee, who
: was Dog as Master, and put out a zine (Electric Cottage) for awhile.
It's called Spellbondage. Sorry I zoned out last night.
Ed Blake
: > . And it seems to me that Canadians have Electro-accoustic music.
: ...and Rush and Voivod!
: ;-)
And of course everyone of those Rush fans is a D&D player.
No point. Just an observation.
Robert P. Beveridge
<mensch...@blackplague.org> wrote:
>Who is Deborah Jaffe?
Works under the name Matser/Slave Relationship. Also owns the
www.blackmetal.com distribution site.
Fr.Goatley
Robert P. Beveridge
> Zewiss (sp!) did send her 20 copies of the record though).
Zewizz.
Fr.Goatley
(wondering how I know that, having never heard Sleep Chamber. But I
gotta pick this up, as Deborah Jaffe is just fiiiiiiiiiiine-lookin'.)
Jamie
Ed Blake wrote:
I;ve never played roleplaying games.
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SPElias
P. Beveridge) writes:
>
>> Zewiss (sp!) did send her 20 copies of the record though).
>
>Zewizz.
>
>Fr.Goatley
>(wondering how I know that, having never heard Sleep Chamber. But I
>gotta pick this up, as Deborah Jaffe is just fiiiiiiiiiiine-lookin'.)
John Zewizz (of xxx fame) is known for putting out some of the worst records in
recording history.
Deborah Jaffe of Master/Slave Relationship is/was a fat slut. Her bondage/S &
M schtick was stolen from Lydia Lunch and then poorly recorded.
Her record label (Cause And Effect) wins kudos, though, for putting out a very
nice looking box set, of three cassettes, of the first three Nurse With Wound
albums.
Debrah and her wimp of a boyfriend (whose name I can't even remember, he was
such a dog) have earned my flame (yep!) by taking six months to deliver the
aforementioned boxset (having taken my cash) and then whinning (yea, he was
good at that) to me about the letter I sent them, saying "Friends don't tell
friends to fuck off". I did and I do. I thought we were doing business.
alias
Oskari Mertalo
I got the Weird Little Boy CD for trade. Some other releases too. See the list
at http://www.hut.fi/~omertalo/poies.html
Osku
Ed Blake
: >Here's an interesting thought.
: >
: >The Germans have Krautrock, the French: Progrock, the Japs: extreame
: >noise. And it seems to me that Canadians have Electro-accoustic music.
: What do you mean "they have it"??
Geners that nationalities are known for.
Gary Robert Kelly
>: >Here's an interesting thought.
>: >
>: >The Germans have Krautrock, the French: Progrock, the Japs: extreame
>: >noise. And it seems to me that Canadians have Electro-accoustic
music.
>
>: What do you mean "they have it"??
>
>Geners that nationalities are known for.
I think he meant that they don't merely "have" it, they perpetrate it.
Do you see?
"The answer is 'maybe' and that's final!"