A Noise Question?
Aesova
I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
Rev. Matthew A. Carey
On Mon, 04 May 1998 23:22:13 -0500, Aesova <aes...@pop.ripco.com>
wrote:
>I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
>other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
>
>
I've been so busy recording and dubbing tapes and listening to tapes
that I haven't had a chance. I did turn on the radio for a while
today and heard some U2 and Bruce Springsteen.
Sometimes I like to listen to super crazy ultra shit on the radio like
that, and some Miami Sound Machine and soft hits from the early 80s
and all that kind of shit. Cleans out the old eardrums.
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aes...@ripco.com wrote:
>
> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
>
>
sounds,KhZ,Dead C.,Shizuka(the band),Sepultura,Unsane etc.
You get my drift.
Nor do I exclusively broadcast noise during my 2 hr.radio show.
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>
> >I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> >other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
Why would anyone want to listen to any kind of music exclusively? I mean,
listening mostly to a certain kind of music is one thing, but it's stupid
to listen
to one kind of music to the exclusion of everything else. You may as well
just
do nothing but watch television all day...
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Dadanoise
>> >I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
>> >other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
i enjoy making and listening to noise, but th majority of my music collection
is made up of stuff that is neither noise nor industrial. i don't think there
is a single genre of music i actively totally dislike, with th exception of
white power rock and that sort of thing. these days i am most enthusiastic
about hiphop, noise, and good psychedelic pop.
> but it's stupid
>to listen
>to one kind of music to the exclusion of everything else. You may as well
>just
>do nothing but watch television all day...
i think i'm inclined to agree....and every genre starts to suck when it loses
outside influences....i think crosspollination is important....
DADANOISE
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Robert P. Beveridge
>I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
>other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
I listen to noise, stuff I found through listening to noise (ie World
Serpent material), and... ummm, well, I guess that's it. Oh, except
for Tool.
Rev.Goat
Robert P. Beveridge
>I did turn on the radio for a while
>today and heard some U2 and Bruce Springsteen.
God help you.
Rev.Goat
Gary Suarez
Aesova (aes...@pop.ripco.com) wrote:
: I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
: other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
well hmmm... i have pretty damned eclectic taste in music. though most of
what i own is either experimental, noise or industrial (including electro, ebm,
etc.), i listen to a lot of other music. examples) Bowie, afro-cuban jazz and
other styles of cuban music, dance music (hey... it's the sound of the
apocalypse...don't you get it...MAN?), Faith No More, and a fair amount a
Motown.
well thay's it. <blip> <click> <clip>
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> >
> > >I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> > >other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
>
> to listen
> to one kind of music to the exclusion of everything else. You may as well
> just
> do nothing but watch television all day...
>
Hell, I'm listening to mid-70's Genesis as I type! Before that: Richie Ramirez.
Eclecticism is the spice of life.
John Dove
i am pretty sure that no one listens so noise exclusively, why would
anyone want to limit themselves like that? considering there are so
many other wonderful genres of music. i have also never met anyone who
only likes noise, it seems to me that noise fans usually have extremely
diverse musical tastes,from all ranges of the spectrum.
Sea forest
>Aesova (aes...@pop.ripco.com) wrote:
>: I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively >- no other
forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
I like noise, but I also like hiphop, funk, old soul, Frank Sinatra, trance,
psych., Curtis Mayfield, Johnny Cash, Nick Drake, indie rock, etc. and etc.
there's so much good stuff out there.
-=chris
Cobb -the cub- Rubbinson
God help you.
Soddy
> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
But they should. ;-)
Soddy
> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
those who, like me, cannot enjoy listening to anything for an
extended period other than noise. Not without something supplementing
it. (say, a scantily clad member of the preferred sex.)
Non-noise, well, don't get me started on non-noise. ;-)
Let's just say, as far as pleasure goes, non-noise can only do so
much. The experienced noise whore always requires more; way more than
non-noise delivers. To extend our production model, where noise
delivers the goods every time, non-noise has *heard* of the goods -
it just doesn't know what to do with them.
But I'm a patient guy. Really. Non-noise has its uses. It can't be
counted on to deliver what you need, but it can give you what you
want. It can work wonders as a prelude to noise, for instance.
I rarely start my day with noise; or end it with noise for that
matter.
Noise, day in day out? Not bloody likely. The heart couldn't take it.
Nor the ears. How could any red-blooded noisehead endure that much
raw pleasure?
<delicious shiver>
Listen to noise too too much and you might very well go deaf.
No, best to let non-noise do its thing. We wouldn't want to cheapen
the noise experience anyway.
sodomy non sapiens,
Jason
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Mr MBC1033
>Oh, except
>for Tool.
oh yeah. how about the jesus lizard, 6FS, slug, distorted pony, hammerhead,
tortoise, trans am, neu!...? that's all some good stuff
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On Tue, 05 May 1998 10:28:55 -0700, "Kevin J. O'Conner"
<tntm...@halcyon.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 May 1998 23:22:13 -0500, Aesova <aes...@pop.ripco.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
>
I don't know, from things Joe Macronympha has said, I think he may
listen only to noise.
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> > I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> > other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
Gotta pull this hoary old chestnut out of the archives:
"People that say that all they listen to is noise, nothing but harsh
noise all day and night either have something wrong with them, or they
aren't telling the truth. I've met people who say this, but I've looked
through their record collections, and I see, like, Little River Band
records..." -- Matt Bacon, from the Cock E.S.P. disc _Menasha Red Light
District_ (loosely paraphrased)
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Robert P. Beveridge
On 06 May 1998 01:51:54 GMT, mrmb...@aol.com (Mr MBC1033) wrote:
>oh yeah. how about the jesus lizard,
<sob> Talk about a band gone bad. _Liar_ was one of the best albums of
the decade. What the hell happened? They got... calm.
Rev.Goat
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Robert P. Beveridge
On 06 May 1998 10:01:41 EDT, Chris Sienko <co...@saginawcvb.org> wrote:
>I've met people who say this, but I've looked
>through their record collections, and I see, like, Little River Band
>records..."
Off the top of my head I can't imagine anything harsher to the ears
than old Little River Band records... unless it's Travis Tritt.
Rev.Goat
voice & salt
> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
I listen to a lot of other stuff, too. Especially cuz the people I live
with aren't as adventurous with what thewy listen to...
I love qawalli, gnaoua trance music, real raw folk and country, stuff like
the Swans and really heavy metal, Black sabbath, classical, neil young,
etc.
It'd be pretty boring to listent ot the same thing all the time. I don't
know how some people do it, just turning on commercial shit radio and
taking what's doled out. Or listening to noise exclusively. Same thing.
Dan
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You're telling me.
the Quirks
Aesova wrote:
>
> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
people just get into it from something else, like industrial or jazz or something else.
Personally, I got into noise kinda by mistake. Bought a Brighter Death Now CD for
the hell of it, and got into it from there. Go figure...
the Quirks
> I don't know, from things Joe Macronympha has said, I think he may
> listen only to noise.
shelter yourself from everything else. "Normal" music is all around us, and growing
up, I'm sure he listened to different shit, whether it was Micheal Jackson or
Throbbing Gristle. I guess I can understand going through phases where you tire of
everything but noise, which I've done, but eventually people move away from that.
A better question to ask would be吃ow did the people who are making noise music
today get into doing it in the first place? Those answers would seem more
interesting...
the Quirks
> >oh yeah. how about the jesus lizard,
the other way around? Oh well.
Kevin J. O'Conner
Robert P. Beveridge wrote:
> Off the top of my head I can't imagine anything harsher to the ears
> than old Little River Band records... unless it's Travis Tritt.
I can:
opera
side B of Live Peace In Toronto
Celine Dion
Whitney Houston
Dionne Warwick(e)
Matthew Wilder
Lionel Richie in post-Commodores ballad mode
Michael Bolton
I think you get the idea...
Thomas Christiansen
Kevin J. O'Conner wrote:
> opera
> side B of Live Peace In Toronto
> Celine Dion
> Whitney Houston
like Merzbow once said in an interview : "if noise means uncomfortable
sound, then pop music is noise to me" :)
ThomasC
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the Quirks wrote:
Come on James, I've listened to enough Wire and Wu-Tang Clan in my day to make me seem
almost normal ;) And to make this post have a point...I got into noise due to Relapse's
marketing tactics...got a free catalog from them and their touting of Merzbow's
_Venerology_ as the "most extreme recording you'll ever own" perked my interest, so I
bought it and didn't really dig it. Few months later I saw the _Japanese/American Noise
Treaty_ at a local mall and grabbed it for the hell of it..first 5 seconds of Masonna's
"Wear Your Love Like Heaven" was the wildest thing I'd ever heard, and I took it from
there. I personally couldn't stand to listen to only one genre of music, be it noise, rap,
ambient, dub, whatever...it would lead to total boredom for me.
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Mr MBC1033
>sob> Talk about a band gone bad. _Liar_ was one of the best albums of
>the decade. What the hell happened? They got... calm
i disagree. i still think they're a great band. i mean, i like their albums
(even blue), but even if you don't they're still one of the best live bands out
there
Mr MBC1033
>It sucks that Stanford Prison Experiment is opening up for them... why can't
>it be
>the other way around? Oh we
stanford prison experiment is shit
The Hand
>
>I love qawalli, gnaoua trance music, real raw folk and country,
Yeah, for years now I've been on a quest for weirder an weirder forms
of musical expression, only to find that the trully alien sounds are
not to be found on the far fringes of modern experimentation, but on
the traditional musics comming out of the most remote corners of the
world. There's nothing more positively strange and completelly alien
than some of those recordings. Music from times before there was any
music. Lately I've also been getting into old old folk and country,
did anybody get the folkways 6CD box set of american folk music? That
stuff is the shit, there's something truly heartfelt about those
songs. I don't know, its hard to explain, but I get a certain very
strong feeling out of listening to that music that I don't quite get
out of anything else.
Robert P. Beveridge
On Fri, 08 May 1998 09:15:07 GMT, ca...@humboldt1.com (Rev. Matthew A.
Carey) wrote:
>On Tue, 05 May 1998 18:38:08 GMT, xana...@stratos.net (Robert P.
>Beveridge) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 May 1998 23:26:41 GMT, ca...@humboldt1.com (Rev. Matthew A.
>>Carey) wrote:
>>
>>>I did turn on the radio for a while
>>>today and heard some U2 and Bruce Springsteen.
>>God help you.
>You're telling me.
So what are they up to these days? I think the last thing I heard from
Springsong was that horrid _Born in the USA_ album, and that was what,
fifteen years ago?
Rev.Goat
Robert P. Beveridge
On 10 May 1998 09:50:48 GMT, mrmb...@aol.com (Mr MBC1033) wrote:
>>sob> Talk about a band gone bad. _Liar_ was one of the best albums of
>>the decade. What the hell happened? They got... calm
>i disagree. i still think they're a great band. i mean, i like their albums
>(even blue), but even if you don't they're still one of the best live bands out
>there
I stuck with them up till _Shot_. (Oh, I should mention, since I think
it came out afterwards, that the studio material on _Lash_ also did
wonders for me.) But it seemed to me that somewhere along the line
David Yow's voice changed, for lack of a better way of putting it; he
went from that growling, stuttering attack to a weird kind of wail
that I wasn't nearly so fond of. I actually liked the first
Dennison/Kimball Trio album better than I liked Shot...
(BTW, was "City Without Walls" a real flick? I've never been able to
find it, and have started considering it an Urban Legend a la
_Terminal_.)
Rev.Goat
on: something from disc I of the Japanese/American Noise Treaty...
the Quirks
> >A better question to ask would beÐhow did the people who are making noise music
> >today get into doing it in the first place? Those answers would seem more
> >interesting...
>
> John Coltrane... Sun Ra... Hank Williams...?
Okay, granted (you forgot Neil Young), but my question was aimed more along the
lines of modern noisicians. What prompted Masonna to get up on stage and do what
he does? Emulation, or artistic need? Indifference or amusement, or a form of
performace art? Maybe I overanalyze, but that's what I like about noise anyway,
so...
the Quirks
> stanford prison experiment is shit
On another topic: does anyone know anything about the new Bungle, like when hit's
coming out and what it's going to be like?
Colin Pascal
Not only that, but what about the new Secret Chiefs 3? How does it
compare to the First Grand Constitution and Bylaws?
Damn I love Spruance.
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The Hand
On 11 May 1998 22:34:23 GMT, Brent Bruni Comiskey <nos...@neosoft.com>
wrote:
>>Yeah, for years now I've been on a quest for weirder an weirder forms
>>of musical expression, only to find that the trully alien sounds are
>>not to be found on the far fringes of modern experimentation, but on
>>the traditional musics comming out of the most remote corners of the
>>world. There's nothing more positively strange and completelly alien
>>than some of those recordings. Music from times before there was any
>>music.
>
>Great to see a post like this on alt.noise. Tribal and traditional music
>is underrated. International pop music is pretty weird too.
You've ever heard Ukrainian pop? Its awesome, its got cheap-Casio
house beats and folkloric singing, but the beats are the best part,
way groovy.
>I won't get
>into contemporary country since that seems to be futile subject around
>here (as with with most "extreme" musicians). Anyone know anything about
>Tuvian(sp?) throat music?
>
I saw a group of them in the park in Amsterdam not long ago, super
weird shit, very bassy, multi timbral, niiiiiiice stuff. They were
singing under a bridge and the whole thing resonated beautifully. As
a matter of fact I was thinking precisely of those guys when I spoke
of alien musics. I am constantly amazed how completely different from
our own traditions those sounds are. It sounds like nothing you know,
not the structures, not the scales, nor the melodies, its all
completely foreign, and its taken thousands of years to develop, those
guys are very good at what they do. Highly recommended, makes for
great sampling too.
The Hand
Don't forget Jojouka
Chris Sienko
Brent Bruni Comiskey wrote:
>
> >Okay, granted (you forgot Neil Young),
>
> with Angels was good. You gotta hear "Trans Am".
Have you heard his _Arc_ ep by chance? It's not very rock. Kinda like a
pissy old classic rocker who hasn't combed his hair in about two decades
pulling off stuff that makes Sonic Youth look pretty poor (not like they
need Neil Young to do that). It's a really great 37 minutes, and you can
usually find it used somewhere (it used to come as part of a three CD
set with the 2 disc live _Weld_ set, which is also pretty loud, but more
song-y), as I expect most Young fans sell that disc just to get it the
hell out of their house.
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Christopher Bieg
Aesova wrote:
>
> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
I find that after listening to noise exclusively for a couple of days or
so, my ears are 'cleared out'. What I mean is, I find listening to
non-noise music to be a lot more enjoyable after heavy noise listening.
I pick up on a lot of previously unheard tones and sounds in the music.
Noise affects the way I listen to non-noise music. It makes me pay more
attention to detail, less attention to lyrics, melody and catchy-ness.
[cb]
currently playing : sound of the computer fan.
daniel landherr
Christopher Bieg (cnw...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: I find that after listening to noise exclusively for a couple of days or
: so, my ears are 'cleared out'. What I mean is, I find listening to
: non-noise music to be a lot more enjoyable after heavy noise listening.
: I pick up on a lot of previously unheard tones and sounds in the music.
: Noise affects the way I listen to non-noise music. It makes me pay more
: attention to detail, less attention to lyrics, melody and catchy-ness.
I find that listening to really bad music tends to give me a greater
appreciation for the albums I own. I also find that listening to noise
will also "clear out" my head, but that's where the similarities end.
Listening to pop music makes me pay more attention to detail, listening to
noise allows me to appreciate melody, lyrics and emotional impact
(catchiness).
Dan
The Hand
>Aesova wrote:
>>
>> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
>> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
>
>I find that after listening to noise exclusively for a couple of days or
>so, my ears are 'cleared out'. What I mean is, I find listening to
>non-noise music to be a lot more enjoyable after heavy noise listening.
>I pick up on a lot of previously unheard tones and sounds in the music.
>Noise affects the way I listen to non-noise music. It makes me pay more
>attention to detail, less attention to lyrics, melody and catchy-ness.
>
I've found that since I started listening to noise I've gained a new
appretiation for al sound in general, I notice all sorts of sounds
now, from trains, to traffic, to radio static *everything* has become
sonically interesting. I don't think I ever paid any real attention
to these sounds before, sure I heard them, but I didn't listen to
them.
The Hand
My refrigerator, incidentally, makes the sweetest hum. I now like it
better than many of my noise records. This are the sad logical
extremes listening to noise music will drive you to: Actually siting
in your kitchen listening to a refrigerator.
Stig Mathausen
The Hand wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 May 1998 09:34:56 +1000, Christopher Bieg
> <cnw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Aesova wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder how many people into noise listen to noise exclusively - no
> >> other forms of music - and if so, why only noise?
> >
> >I find that after listening to noise exclusively for a couple of days or
> >so, my ears are 'cleared out'. What I mean is, I find listening to
> >non-noise music to be a lot more enjoyable after heavy noise listening.
> >I pick up on a lot of previously unheard tones and sounds in the music.
> >Noise affects the way I listen to non-noise music. It makes me pay more
> >attention to detail, less attention to lyrics, melody and catchy-ness.
I find that listening to bad top-40 music can have this effect, in a more
pronounced fashion too. Trite, overused ideas throw good work into clear relief,
and thus have some value, even if only for that.
>
> I've found that since I started listening to noise I've gained a new
> appreciation for all sound in general, I notice all sorts of sounds
> now, from trains, to traffic, to radio static *everything* has become
> sonically interesting. I don't think I ever paid any real attention
> to these sounds before, sure I heard them, but I didn't listen to
> them.
>
My experience is reverse - I always kind of liked the rhythms of machines and the
roar of jet engines, etc. One notices that their structures, though
unintentional, are more complex and interesting and just plain engaging than much
music, and can easily be appreciated from an aesthetic angle. Although...nah,
don't want to give away an idea...
>
> My refrigerator, incidentally, makes the sweetest hum. I now like it
> better than many of my noise records. This are the sad logical
> extremes listening to noise music will drive you to: Actually siting
> in your kitchen listening to a refrigerator.
Sounds a bit like Speculum Fight, eh!
I plan to eventually put out something that salutes that kitchen sound - the
fridge, clock, rumbles of traffic outside...albeit in quite an amplified form.
No ambient chill-out here!
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>You gotta hear "Trans Am".
it's all about trans am
Mr MBC1033
>(BTW, was "City Without Walls" a real flick? I've never been able to
>find it, and have started considering it an Urban Legend a la
>_Terminal_.)
>
>
it's called "walls in the city," and yes it exists. it's a horrible movie. we
had to turn it off after twenty minutes. it was cheap, and they made no real
efforts to hide that. the writing was horrible, it was shot awfully, and david
yow can't act. but yes, it exists........
he was also in a vampire movie, by the way. i can't remember the name of it,
though....
Oskari Mertalo
at...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Colin Pascal) writes:
> Not only that, but what about the new Secret Chiefs 3? How does it
> compare to the First Grand Constitution and Bylaws?
More actual songs, more structure. Arabic influences. And one loud noise
tune. I like it better than the first one.
Osku
AGH1
On 15 May 1998 04:41:16 GMT, Brent Bruni Comiskey <nos...@neosoft.com> wrote:
>I guess the music that is truly the most horrible would be uncreative wannabe pop
>music that never makes it to the radio, but has no sense of humor. But play two of
>those songs at the same and you're likely to get some decent noise. One thing I
>find very interesting is purposefully horrible pop music. This would be some kind
>of sarcastic song writing that maintains some kind of song-like structure, but does
>not cross the line into "creative" or "art". I'm not sure how to describe it, other
>than something like mocking amateur wannbe pop while also being anti-art and
>anti-interesting..... crap! (crap?)
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