NATURE OF STANDARD MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE

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And now one of the masterpieces of Mladen Srbinovski,
humbly translated from my friend.
Regards to all: Pavel

NATURE OF STANDARD MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE
by Mladen Srbinovski, "Glas", Skopje, No. 23/Dec. 1995


PART I
It is forbidden for everybody, who works on and with the
language of Macedonia, to do remarks on it. From this restriction,
only the people from the scientific institutions, secretly blessed
by the official authorities by some strange "criteria", are excluded.
The other people, which do not think like the Macedonian linguists
and historians, and dare to express openly a disagreement, are
under many troubles and dangers. ...<del>


My opinion on the forbidden Macedonian subjects is a humble one,
but on the other hand, is completely mine. Similar is my opinion on
the nature of the standard Macedonian language, the language on
which I am educated and brought up, the language which I use and
on which I write. Everybody can reach to similar concept of
Macedonian traumas if decides to study the Macedonian problematics -
it is not necessary a high intelectual level, only a bit of
honesty. But the latter is in lack of Skopjean Macedonists, and
because of this lack are our disagreements.


I shall begin with the compulsory education, which was imposed
over me, and with the thoughtlessnesses, which I had to absorb
until I studied the national problematics.


We meet everyday, read and hear since our childhood, that
"Macedonian language is the youngest, but simultaneously the
oldest from all Slavic languages." The logical thoughtlessnesses
and stupidities which are put into us in the schools are many
ones, but the best way is they to be accepted without contradiction
and mockery, because otherwise you can be regarded from your
teenagers years as a suspicious one. The doubt in the logics of
the above sintagma led me to my first collision with my teachers,
which gave me troubles. "What for an audacity! How is it possible,
that a student cannot understand, that his language is the youngest,
but simultaneously the oldest from all Slavic languages because
of the specific conditions of its development! Here is nothing for
doubt or nonunderstanding, the suspicious is YOU!" - was the
reply, which I received.


If you are not satisfied with the similar solutions of the
ideological knots, on which the macedonism is based, and you
begin to untie them, you will inevitably reach my position, but
for the unbinding it is necessary you longly to investigate the
patology of the macedonist lie. My humble person will try now
to give his explanation about the above mentioned enigma about
"the youngest, but simultaneously the oldest from all languages",
which on first glance is like the sophism of the priority of
the egg or the hen. The attempt to unbind this maybe the most
tightened knot of the Gordian unit of macedonism can be regarded
as an attempt to understand and explain the nature of the
standard Macedonian language. The question is very serious, but
as it is given by Skopjean linguists, it is like Gogol
literary material from his unwritten satire. But who does know,
maybe the Skopjean linguists had (and have) Gogol sence of
humour. In this case the (d)effect is like that of Buster Keeton -
everybody laughts, but you remain deadly serious.


PART II
The historical continuity of the youngest of all Slavic
languages goes only 50 years ago - since ASNOM from 1944, and
the three language commissions, which created our language.
Using those political steps, it was decided one western
Macedonian dialect to be written on the reformed Vuk
alphabet, and to be raised to the level of literary language.


The grounds for that approach towards the new language are
best described by the contributors in the language commissions.
Venko Markovski: "You can accept it as a directive, to write
with the Vuk alphabet." Milka Balvanlieva-Georgevich: "With
the Serbo-Croatian alphabet we shall have Yugoslav alphabet."


The transition over the high artificial fence, and seeking
the connection with the older written tradition before the last
half of the XX century, denotes the transition from the
youngest to the oldest of the Slavic languages. The psychological
barrier for separation from the oldest litarary Slavic language
is created in us from our bringing up. For my generation,
educated after the war and using the youngest literary Slavic
language, the oldest literary Slavic language is uninteligible
already. Except some linguist somewhere, it is very seldom
some of us to read even one sentence from "his" oldest Slavic
language. With nowadays spelling, we, the new generations,
cannot even write down correctly our names and families. This
is the most bright illustration of the continuity between the
youngest literary Slavic language and the oldest one. The
macedonists care to give us "translated" from the oldest to the
youngest of all Slavic languages even texts written in the
20-ies of this century in order they to be inteligible for us.
Even the "apostol of macedonism", Misirkov, we can only read
transcribed, because as he wrote is ininteligible for us.
This artificial division, glottotomy by which from one language
were created two ones, was a dexterious political step, and
a stage, which was in the past. Insistment in Macedonia our
texts to be read in original is regarded as a scandal one.
In our past can dare to penetrate only selected persons,
which can freely use the "scientific" method - falsification.
Glottotomy led to the fact, that the Macedonian language today
is in crazy fast motion, and according to Heisenberg principle,
because of the excess velocity, the direction of this motion
cannot be determined.


The poor written tradition, which is assigned as written
heritage to the contemporary Macedonian language, is inheritance
written on the western dialects of "prostejshi neknizhoven
bolgarski ezik" (K. Pejchinovich) and Macedonian scientists
catch on that straw as drunkards on the table. Of course, and
that sintagma "prostejshi neknizhoven bolgarski ezik" is
falsified for the students, and is represented before them as the
Macedonian people speach, predecessor of the Macedonian literary
language. In such a case, using political alchemistry, "prostejshi
neknizhoven bolgarski ezik" is raised to the rank of the
youngest of all Slavic literary languages. The same language,
which equally in rights, participated for more than a thousand
of years in the developing and the enrichment of the oldest
of written Slavic languages - the Bulgarian one.


PART III
Until recently, in Greece, there were two official variants of
the Greek literary language - katharevusa, or the pure language,
and dimotiki - the language of the peasants. Both variants
were used in the state, they were equally in rights, and were
simultaneously used. If it was possible two official variants
of one and the same language to exist in one and the same state,
it is even more possible such variants to coexist in two
neighbouring countries. I doubt that somebody which is
concerned with writing, can oppose against the advantage of
existence of two languages, as sprouts of one and the same trunk,
but the things are complex in the Balkans. The Macedonian
language is above all a political puzzle, and the thesis for
mutually enrichment of the languages is a high treason for
the Macedonian linguistics. My unprejudices unbinding of the
most important knot of the Macedonian problems leads me to the
following interpreting of the conceptions of "the oldest and
the youngest written Slavic languages" - the katharevusa, used
as the literary standard in Bulgaria, is the oldest written
Slavic language; and the dimotiki, as literary variant used
in Macedonia, is the youngest written Slavic language. It is
not to be recommended, or allowed (and until recently it was
punishable very strictly) to read anything written on the
oldest language, the katharevusa. The reason is very simple -
in such a case the most important consequence from the use
of both languages ia avoided - the establishment of a point
of quiet. We all know from the physics lessons, that it is
necessary to point to some body, which is in a condition of
quiet, in order to be determined which body is in motion.
Without the support of such a point of quiet, we feel
ourselves as in an auto-station, when it is not possible for
us to say even for a moment, which bus is starting, and
which is standing still. For more than 50 years, the artificial
condition of quiet is maintained, and none contact is allowed
between the youngest and the oldest of the written Slavic
languages. The oldest of all written Slavic languages is
exactly such a point of quiet for the youngest one. It was
enough for me to read one book on the oldest of all written
Slavic languages, in order to discover that point of quiet
for the youngest Slavic language, which I use every day.


In every state, choosing one dialect as an official language
is a political treaty, concensus, a ball of snow, which
with its rolling will be increased and enriched. And
Macedonian literary language is such a snow ball, created
by the force of such political treaty, and put to roll over
a steep slope, until Macedonian adepts are asking and amazing for
50 years how is stained and neglected the youngest of the
Slavic languages. In its accelerating motion, it gathers
from Vuk language everything which is necessary to it - from
spelling to lexics, and even tne idioms... And it is logical,
having motion in this direction, earlier or later, the youngest
of Slavic languages to conclude with its motion, to pacify
and merge with Vuk language. The direction of motion of the
youngest of all Slavic languages can be easily determined,
using Heisenberg principle, the only thing which can be
discused is the velocity of this motion. I sincerely hope,
that this is not the velocity of the light. And if in XIX c.
the big revivalist of Macedonia Konstantin Miladinov expressed
the main attitude of the population of Macedonia on dimotiki
in one beautiful song "T'ga za jug", in XX c. this attitude
ought to be expressed most exactly as "T'ga za Sever". This
is the main reason our service dimotiki to be guarded in
every case and with all means from its meetings with its
katharevusa.


...<del>


PART V
Before the egg - the hen, before the hen - the egg.

Agamemnon

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"pavel" <pavelma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> We meet everyday, read and hear since our childhood, that
> "Macedonian language is the youngest, but simultaneously the
> oldest from all Slavic languages." The logical thoughtlessnesses

What is this bullshit. Macedonian is a dialect of Greek and nothing to do
with Slavic.

Seanie O'Kilfoyle

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Agamemnon wrote:
> "pavel" <pavelma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1137333593.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> >
> > We meet everyday, read and hear since our childhood, that
> > "Macedonian language is the youngest, but simultaneously the
> > oldest from all Slavic languages." The logical thoughtlessnesses
>
> What is this bullshit.

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Agamemnon wrote:
> Report this racist to the authorities.
>
> http://www.iwf.org.uk/reporting.htm
>
> Click on "Criminally racist content hosted in the UK" and fill out the form.
>
>


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Kinky Seanie Gogu's Turkish Bitch

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Seanile Seanie KILLED sct, oh the poor psychopath, and the poor Turks
have no place where they could discuss properly!
You know those deteriorated fools that keep laughing about themselves
all
the time when they say something? You are one of those! BTW, how's the
walrus? No wonder you are looking for a "new orientation" lately

Sean'sKillah

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Beanie, don't try to distract now: you want the "male"! You wouldn't
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it if it weren't explicitly declared as "male" sperm. And you wanted to
know what it (and male smegma) tastes like! That's the whole point!
Boy, you are not only a disgusting pervert, like ANY other Turk here,
but
also as ridiculous as any of them. You brainwashed, depraved Turkish
creeps
are all alike, no differences between you. Equally disgusting and
equally
ridiculous. And you stick together, like shit!

Zhivko Apostolovski

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"pavel" <pavelma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> And now one of the masterpieces of Mladen Srbinovski,
> humbly translated from my friend.
> Regards to all: Pavel

A bugaroman, heavily indoctrinated with extreme anti Macedonian bulgarian
propaganda, just like the grkoman, heavily indoctrinated with extreme greek
anti Macedonian propaganda, by default is an extreme anti Macedonian
individual. In addition to this, a bugaroman is also a most fanatical anti
Serbian, which Pavel and Pavel's idol Srbinovski have proven on countless
occasions, eg, the article below which Pavel's has regurgitated from 1995,
when for a short time a bunch of bugaromani hillbilly criminals infiltrated
the ranks of the largest political party in Macedonia (VMRO-DPMNE) and ruled
the roost for a while. Mladen was their moron puppet soldier peddling their
bugaroman agenda. But to make the irony even greater, Srbinovski, as his
family name suggests, is a "Bulgar" with Serbian roots. It can't get more
ironic than this.

Also by default, those who abandon their ethnic/racial/national identity-by-
birth and accept an aliegn one, are not very bright and mostly devoid of
any scruples. And Pavel has been a shiny example for this, many, times in
the past and he is further enhancing those "credentials" with his posting
below.

Just a brief background on Pavelbugarski:

He keeps usurping the macedonian name (posting under the alias
pavelmakedonski) despite the fact that on numerous occasions in the past he
has been asked to desist with that stupidity. Pavel is a "disciple" of Ivan
(Vancho) Mihajlov, one of the most vile murderers in Macedonia's history.
Just in September of 1924 alone, Mihajlov obeying the order of the bulgarian
royal court (government), organised the mass massacre of more than 300
Macedonians from the socialist wings of VMRO and other Macedonian
organisations, including more than several dozen of the leading lights of
that time. "Pavel" used to post from Rome (where Mihajlov lived since WWII
and died there in 1991) and possibly is still posting from Rome.

But, just for the benefit of "Pavelbugarski" :- ), in 1933 the VMRO which
Mihajlov was at its helm installed a Macedonian language lesson as part of
bulgaria's educational curriculum in the schools of Pirin Macedonia
(bulgaria's occupied portion of Macedonia), with a promise that the
following year the "bulgarian" language would be discarded, replaced with
the native macedonian language. In 1933, as well, members of the same party,
in today's Blagoevgrad demolished a statue of the unknown Bulgar soldier and
in its place erected a monument for the unknown Macedonian freedom fighters.
In 1934 the bulgarian government declared VMRO illegal and shut it down.

And now some questions for you "Pavel":

Since you so blatantly peddle your "bulgarism" here, would you be just as
"brave" and answer these simple and easy questions:

What makes you a "Bulgar"?
Is it your blood, meaning are you of the asiatic huno-turko-mongol race?, or
Is it your language, literacy or culture which connect you to the (true)
asiatic Bulgars?
What makes today's "Bulgarian language" bulgarian?

>
> NATURE OF STANDARD MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE
> by Mladen Srbinovski, "Glas", Skopje, No. 23/Dec. 1995

"Glas" (Voice) was the party (VMRO-DPMNE) publication established by the neo
bugaromanka Dosta Dimovska, the mentor of the then leader of the party,
where their (Dosta's and her pupil leader of the party) little puppet, moron
neo bugaroman soldiers, like SRBINovca (SERBsheep)could peddle the bugaroman
agenda on their behalf.

pavel

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Zhivko Apostolovski wrote:

> A bugaroman, heavily indoctrinated with extreme anti Macedonian bulgarian
> propaganda, just like the grkoman, heavily indoctrinated with extreme greek
> anti Macedonian propaganda, by default is an extreme anti Macedonian
> individual. In addition to this, a bugaroman is also a most fanatical anti
> Serbian, which Pavel and Pavel's idol Srbinovski have proven on countless
> occasions, eg, the article below which Pavel's has regurgitated from 1995,
> when for a short time a bunch of bugaromani hillbilly criminals infiltrated
> the ranks of the largest political party in Macedonia (VMRO-DPMNE) and ruled
> the roost for a while. Mladen was their moron puppet soldier peddling their
> bugaroman agenda. But to make the irony even greater, Srbinovski, as his
> family name suggests, is a "Bulgar" with Serbian roots. It can't get more
> ironic than this.

My dear Serboman Zhivko,
A serboman, heavily indoctrinated with extreme anti Macedonian serbian


propaganda, just like the grkoman, heavily indoctrinated with extreme
greek
anti Macedonian propaganda, by default is an extreme anti Macedonian

individual. In addition to this, a serboman is also a most fanatical
anti
Bulgarian, which Zhivko has proven on countless occasions.

> Also by default, those who abandon their ethnic/racial/national identity-by-
> birth and accept an aliegn one, are not very bright and mostly devoid of
> any scruples. And Pavel has been a shiny example for this, many, times in
> the past and he is further enhancing those "credentials" with his posting
> below.

Also by default, those who abandon their ethnic/racial/national
identity-by-

birth and accept an alien one, are not very bright and mostly devoid
of
any scruples. And Zhivko Serbomanski has been a shiny example for this,

many times in the past and he is further enhancing those "credentials"
with his
posting reply.

Zhivko, I personally am amazed from the interest in Europe towards the
drama
of Serbinovski "Macedonian Faust" - because it is on the life of Venko
Markovski - one of the fathers of the so-called Macedonian literary
language.
But here the stress is on the change of Markovski from an obedient
Stalinist-Titoist pupet into thinking person. Because of that I have
recommended the drama to you. If you have time when you return to
Skopje - go and seе it - maybe you can be also enlighten. And there is
nothing anti-Serbian in the essay of Serbinovski, that I have posted.
There are given the realities with the so-called Macedonian literary
language
and its move to the Serbian without still point for comparison.

> Just a brief background on Pavelbugarski:
> He keeps usurping the macedonian name (posting under the alias
> pavelmakedonski) despite the fact that on numerous occasions in the past he
> has been asked to desist with that stupidity. Pavel is a "disciple" of Ivan
> (Vancho) Mihajlov, one of the most vile murderers in Macedonia's history.
> Just in September of 1924 alone, Mihajlov obeying the order of the bulgarian
> royal court (government), organised the mass massacre of more than 300
> Macedonians from the socialist wings of VMRO and other Macedonian
> organisations, including more than several dozen of the leading lights of
> that time. "Pavel" used to post from Rome (where Mihajlov lived since WWII
> and died there in 1991) and possibly is still posting from Rome.

It is another Titoist lie - altogether in 1924 and 1925 were punished
less than
50 traitors. They were punished not because of their leftist beliefs,
but
because of their traitorship real Macedonian patriots were killed.

> But, just for the benefit of "Pavelbugarski" :- ), in 1933 the VMRO which
> Mihajlov was at its helm installed a Macedonian language lesson as part of
> bulgaria's educational curriculum in the schools of Pirin Macedonia
> (bulgaria's occupied portion of Macedonia), with a promise that the
> following year the "bulgarian" language would be discarded, replaced with
> the native macedonian language. In 1933, as well, members of the same party,
> in today's Blagoevgrad demolished a statue of the unknown Bulgar soldier and
> in its place erected a monument for the unknown Macedonian freedom fighters.
> In 1934 the bulgarian government declared VMRO illegal and shut it down.

Thai is a blatant lie - in 1933 the co-called Macedonian language did
not
exist. It was created 12 years later by the communists-Titoists. They
used the
proved tactics of Stalin - the father of the people (as called by his
communist
idiotic followers) - who created the Moldovan nation from Romanians.

> And now some questions for you "Pavel":
> Since you so blatantly peddle your "bulgarism" here, would you be just as
> "brave" and answer these simple and easy questions:
> What makes you a "Bulgar"?
> Is it your blood, meaning are you of the asiatic huno-turko-mongol race?, or
> Is it your language, literacy or culture which connect you to the (true)
> asiatic Bulgars?
> What makes today's "Bulgarian language" bulgarian?

Indeed very silly questions. Zhivko, learn Balkan history. The Bulgars
after Bulgaria accepted the Christianity were completely melted into
the contemporary Bulgarians. In the Second Bulgarian empire the
population was homogeneous, and it was using the Slavic language
known as Bulgarian. To that population belongs also the population
of Macedonia. Then in 1913 it was separated from Bulgaria, and
in the Aegean Macedonia was partly Grekized. The attempts to Serbize
it in Vardar Macedonia were futile and a new Stalinists tactics was
applied - to create a non-existent Macedonian nation. I and you are
part of that new born nation. But it is well to know your roots.
Read, Zhivko, read. The memoir books of Ivan Mihajlov are
very convenient in order "odroden" as you to become enlighten.

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