Proclaimed Vevi Society Publishes Misinformation
Dirty Harry
The "Allilovoithiticos Syllogos Vevis and Ladies Society" of Toronto, Canada
has just released a 2002 calendar. In addition to the monthly calendar is
advertising from various sponsors. It seems that these sponsors support an
organization that is based on a history of denial and suppression of the
original ethnic Macedonian population of the village Banitsa.
Many of the members of this organization and others like it are ethnically
Macedonian. "If they are Macedonian, why do they belong to a Greek society"
you ask? That is a difficult question to answer but I will provide some
background information for those who are unaware of the situation.
Macedonia is generally referred to as a region in the Balkans, an area of
southern Europe east of Italy, and west of Turkey. In present-day geographic
terms, Macedonia consists of a portion of eastern Albania, the south-west
portion of Bulgaria (called Pirin Macedonia), the Republic of Macedonia
(called Vardar Macedonia) which was a part of Yugoslavia, and practically
the entire northern portion of Greece (called Aegean Macedonia). This region
consists of a vast collection of different ethnic groups along with
religious faiths as is common with many regions and countries. The most
predominant ethnic group is Macedonian. They speak their own language, they
practice their own culture, they have their own folklore.
From approximately 1300 AD to the early parts of the 1900s a major portion
of south-eastern Europe was occupied under the Ottoman Empire.
As the Ottoman stranglehold into eastern Europe was diminishing, the Greeks
decided it was time to rebel against the Ottoman Turks to create an
independent Greece. The result was the Greek War of Independence 1821 -
1832. After years of fighting the greater European powers assisted in
creating a Greek state. As such the autonomous Republic of Greece was
created, although it's northern boundaries did not include Aegean Macedonia.
It wasn't until the struggles of the First Balkan War in the early 1900s
that Greece began to occupy Aegean Macedonia. Over some fierce fighting
between the neighbouring states of Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece was the
region of Macedonia torn between three sides. Boundaries changed constantly
until the Greater Powers intervened once again and split Macedonia into
basically three pieces - of which Greece was handed the largest portion of
Macedonia. Greece now "inherited" the spoils of war.
From 1913 onwards the government of Greece began a policy of
ethnic-cleansing in Aegean Macedonia. Village names were changed, family
surnames were "Hellenized", lakes and rivers, churches and roads. Any
existence of a Macedonian identity was either destroyed or severely
crippled. Even under Ottoman rule the original ethnic Macedonians were
allowed to keep their identity.
Lets start with a quick explanation of what happened before Greece was
handed the geographic region known as Aegean Macedonia:
For those that are unaware, the country of Greece proclaimed its
independence in the 1800s. Little does the public know that the land under
which Greece proclaimed its independence did not include their province of
Macedonia, or what is more rightfully named Aegean Macedonia. It was not
until 1913 that Greece was "handed" this portion of land during the signing
of the "Treaty of Bucharest" (for more information please visit Macedonia
for the Macedonians) Since that time the Greek government had been actively
involved in wiping out any sign of the Macedonian culture - people were
forcibly beaten for declaring themselves as Macedonian and not Greek,
Macedonian Orthodox churches were either burned down to make way for Greek
Orthodox churches or inscriptions inside the church written in the
Macedonian alphabet were erased, surnames and village names were changed to
Greek-sounding names, etc.
The village of Banitsa was re-christened under the Greek name "Vevi" and
many "Banicheni" (inhabitants of Banitsa) were also re-christened with
Greek-sounding names. With the Greek occupation of Aegean Macedonia, and
within it Banitsa, a massive campaign to re-educate all individuals in the
Greek language, Greek culture, and Greek society. This is not to say that
the entire village of Banitsa is inhabited by ethnic Macedonians ... almost
undoubtedly there may be ethnic Greeks and others of differing ethnic
backgrounds.
Unfortunately some people truly believed what the Greek government was
telling them. These are descendants of ethnic Macedonians - their
grandparents spoke Macedonian and followed Macedonian traditions. Some of
these people still speak Macedonian in the home where nobody will catch
them. To the outside world they are Greek, to themselves they are confused
and afraid of the truth.
What follows is a list businesses which support this Vevi society. By
advertising in such a publication each business therefore becomes a
supporter of what the "Allilovoithiticos Syllogos Vevis and Ladies Society"
believes in and stands for. Many of the businesses that follow are unaware
of the implications of supporting an organization associated with the
village of "Vevi". Some simply want to expand their business clientele by
reaching a wider audience. Perhaps there are true ethnic Greeks who
advertise also. But my biggest concern is that many of these advertisers
may very well be ethnic-Macedonians but afraid to admit it, or perhaps do
not want to admit it. It is these individuals to which Macedonians call the
name "Grkomani" - essentially an ethnic Macedonian who wants and/or tries to
be Greek.
This web page is not intended to condemn anybody from supporting any of the
following businesses, but simply to raise awareness of what this association
is indirectly built upon.
Angel Nails & Skin Care, 4410 Highway 7 East, Markham, Ontario, L3R 1M2;
2200 Brock Rd. Unit A-10, Pickering, Ontario, L1X 2R2
AMS Atlantic Metal Spinning Co. Ltd., John & Bill Mints, 2 Principal Road,
Scarborough, Ontario, M1R 4Z3
The Arkadia House, 2007 Eglinton Ave. E., Scarborough, Ontario, M1L 2M9
The Braised Bull, Karen Kelly, Cam Huffman, 7750 Markham Road, Markham,
Ontario, L3P 3R1, brais...@home.com
Canadian Flowers, 3087 Kingston Road, Toronto, Ontario, M1M 1P1,
flo...@pathcom.com
Cobourg Honda, Jim Proskos, R.R. 4 Hwy #2 West, Cobourg, Ontario, K9A 4J7,
cobour...@sprint.ca
Crystal Fountain, 60 McDowell Gate, Markham, Ontario, L6G 1B5
DJ 2K, Chris Maniatis
D&D Poultry, 25A Passmore Avenue
Dolphin Bingo, Tom Nitsopoulos, 1911 Eglinton Avenue East, Scarborough,
Ontario, M1L 2L6
Dove Foods Limited, George Gogou, 110 Pony Drive, Unit #8, Newmarket,
Ontario, L3Y 7B6
Deluxe Dairy Farms Ltd., Kostas Nikolaou, 80 Barbados Blvd., Unit #19,
Scarborough, Ontario, M1J 1K9
Duke Windows, Igor Zask, 1120 Finch Ave. W., Suite 501, Downsview, Ontario,
M3J 3H7, duk...@idirect.com
Danforth Flooring Ltd., Anna & Asrenio T., 2848 Danforth Avenue, Toronto,
Ontario, M4C 1M1
Eagle Transmission, Jim Plessas, 63 Danforth Rd. & 106 Crockford Blvd.,
Scarborough, Ontario
Ellas Banquet Halls, 35 Danforth Road & 702 Pape Avenue, in...@ellas.com
Florineon Orchestra, Chris Giankos, John Ilias, Kostas Ouroumis
Friendly's Restaurant, 7750 Birchmound Rd. & Royal Crest Court
Glass Reflections, Stephanie Nassis
Golden Diamond Furs and Leathers, Terry, 160 East Beaver Creek Road,
Richmond Hill, Ontario, L4B 3L4
Hogarth Electric LTD., Angelo Rappos
Honeycrust Bakery, 7 Parnell Avenue, Scarborough, Ontario, M1K 1B1
Jakes on Main Pub & Grill, Jack Valianes, 202 Main Street, Unionville,
Ontario, L3R 2G9
Kariba Foods Limited, 185 Brimley Rd. South, Scarborough, Ontario, M1M 3J1
Longmans Markham Dodge Chrysler Jeep, John Longman, 5426 Highway #7,
Markham, Ontario, L3P 1B9, john.l...@markhamdodge.com
Love J.K. Video Production, John Klinakis, Markham, Ontario
La Rosa Restaurant & Banquet Hall, Joe Fusco, 25 Lanark Road, Markham,
Ontario, in...@larosabanquethall.com
LGS Sportswear, Nicolas Proskos, 605 Middlefield Road, Unit #15,
Scarborough, Ontario, M1V 5B9
Markville Carpet, Perry Galanis, 172 Bullock Drive, Units #21 & 22, Markham,
Ontario, L3P 7M9
Mr. Greek Jr., Marina Tzogas, Maria Georgopoulos, 18 Lebovic Ave. #B12,
Scarborough, Ontario
Mr. Greek, 1957 Kennedy Rd., Scarborough, Ontario, M1P 2M1
Mike Proscos, 5 Haddon Avenue, Scarborough, Ontario, M1N 2K7
New Line Printing Inc., 110 Milner Avenue Unit #4,5, Scarborough, Ontario,
M1S 3R2, elane...@yahoo.ca
National Home Bakery, 3308 Danforth Ave., Scarborough, Ontario
Olympic Kitchens Inc., George Katsis, 1 Parnell Ave., Scarborough, Ontario,
M1K 1B1
Olympia Home Bakery Ltd., 103 Lightbourn Ave., Toronto, Ontario, M6H 3P9
Olympic Eavestrough Ltd., Bill
Pak Electro Plating Ltd., Tom Koitsis, Danny Petru, 1960 Ellesmere Rd.,
Units #4,5, Scarborough, Ontario, M1H 2V9
Pen K. Electro Plating Inc., Mike Kotsopoulos, 3275 - 14th Avenue, Markham,
Ontario, L3R 2L6
Premiere Ballroom & Convention Centre, Tony Panacci, 9019 Leslie Street,
Richmond Hill, Ontario, L4B 4A3
Q-ssis Place Banquet Halls, John Kioussis, 3474 Kingston Rd., Scarborough,
Ontario
Raffles Burger, Kay & George Petsinis, 74 Dundas Street E., Toronto,
Ontario, M5B 1C7
Riverqueen Developments Limited, George Rombis, 49 Pondsview Drive, North
York, M2J 4B3
Royal Canadian Restaurant & Tavern, 764-66 Danforth Avenue, Toronto,
Ontario, M4J 1L5
Scarborough Lexus Toyota, Christ Catsanos, 2000 Eglinton Avenue East,
Scarborough, Ontario, M1L 2M7
Scarborough Lexus Toyota, Jim Sairoglou, 2000 Eglinton Avenue East,
Scarborough, Ontario, M1L 2M7
Steve & Son Security Systems, Steve & Louie Kotsopoulos, 24 Haileybury Dr.,
Scarborough, Ontario, M1K 4X5
Serano Bakery, Christos & Kostas Takas, 830 Pape Avenue, Toronto, Ontario,
M4K 3T6
Station Pizza Parlour & Spaghetti House, George Olidis & Sons, 227 Main
Street North, Markham, Ontario, L3P 1V6
Spring Flower Shop Ltd., 1434 Danforth Avenue, Toronto
Sun Life Financial, Jim Tsingalos, 245 Fairview Mall Drive, Willowdale,
Ontario, M2J 4T1, jimtsi...@sunlife.com
Terry's Barber Shop, 199 Shropshire Drive, Scarborough, Ontario
Toronto Bread Co., Bob Mallinos, 34 Progress Ave., Scaroborough, Ontario,
M1P 2Y4, bobma...@aol.com
Tommy Cooks, Tom Nitsopoulos, 1911 Eglinton Avenue East, Scarborough,
Ontario, M1L 2L6
Tayas Family Restaurant, 2260 BirchmountValentino Florist, Carman Visconti,
2080 Lawrence Ave. East, Scarborough, Ontario, M1R 2Z4 Rd., Scarborough,
Ontario, M1T 2M3
Unionville Arms Pub & Grill, Paul Vasilovsky, Tom Vasilovsky, 189 Main
Street, Unionville, Ontario, L3R 2G8
V. Polsinelli & Sons, Tony Polsinelli, 8 Dawes Road, Toronto, Ontario,
Canada, M4C 5A7
ERIC
Who is doing the writing for these poorly written propagandizing essays that
you are posting lately?.
Based on the content and quality of this piece, the author has to be some
burnout apologist who writes for some 3rd rate little banana republic.
Sayyyyy, wait a minute//////////////////////////ya don't suppose it's the
FYROM!!!????? geez, what are the odds?
Later
Eric
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ONECONEY
From: "Dirty Harry" dirtyharr...@yahoo.com
Date: 11/30/02 10:47 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <asc0r9$iv6$1...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
The TRUTH About Greek Macedonia:
http://www.hri.org/Martis/
The Other Is: F. Y. R. Macedonia:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/fm_yugoslavia_pol96.jpg
ONECONEY
>From: "ERIC" fit...@shaw.ca
>Date: 11/30/02 11:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <s%fG9.82792$ea.14...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>
>
>D.H.
>Who is doing the writing for these poorly written propagandizing essays that
>you are posting lately?.
Oh on his teenage black skinned cousins!
June R Harton
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>
> The "Allilovoithiticos Syllogos Vevis and Ladies Society" of Toronto,
Canada
> has just released a 2002 calendar. In addition to the monthly calendar is
> advertising from various sponsors. It seems that these sponsors support an
> organization that is based on a history of denial and suppression of the
> original ethnic Macedonian population of the village Banitsa.
Complete and utter nonsense, Bulgar:
Here is the real area of Macedonia:
http://www.macedonia.com/english/history/regions1.html
http://www.unet.com.mk/oldmacedonianmaps/stmapi/mapa3.jpg
http://www.macedonian-heritage.gr/Maps/mapSeq_Map01.html
http://crystalinks.com/mapgreeceancient.gif
And the real name of the area above Greece inhabited by the West
Bulgarians:
http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm
And as far as the Greek speakers in the real Macedonia in say 1911,
read the following:
Encyclopedia Britania 1911
© 2002 by PageWise, Inc.
MACEDONIA
BIBLI0GRAPHY.—Jewitt and Hope, Corporation Plaic and Insignia of
Office,
&c. (2 vols., 1895); J. R. Garstin, Irish State and Civic Maces, &c.
(1898); J. Paton, Scottish Historyand Life (1902); J. H. Buck, Old
Plate
(1903), pp. 124—140; Cripps, Old English Plate (9th ed., 1906),
pp.
394—404; E. Alfred Jones, Old Plate at the Tower of London
(1908); ed., “
Some Historic Silver Maces,” Burlington Magazine (Dec. 1908).
(E. A. J.)
snip
In Salonica, Serres, Kavala, Castoria, and
other towns in southern Macedonia the Hellenic element is strong; in
the northern towns it is insignIficant, except at Melnik, which is
almost exclusively Greek. The Greek rural population extends from the
Thessalian frontier to Castoria and Verria (Beroea); it occupies the
whole Chalcidian peninsula and both banks of the lower Strymon from
Serres to the sea, and from Nigrita on the west to Pravishta on the
east; there are also numerous Greek villages in the Kavala district.
The Mahommedan Greeks, known as Valachides, occupy a
considerable tract in the upper Bistritza valley near Grevena and
Liapsista.
Also
The Slavs ...., but their great immigration took place in the 6th and
7th centuries. They overran .........driving ....the latinized population
of Macedonia into the highland districts, such as Pindus, Agrapha
and Olympus.
And, thus, the Latinized real Upper Macedonian Greeks are the Greek
Vlach then!
It should also be mentioned that yes indeed national leanings in that
time period was NOT solely determined by language. The false
Bulgarian numbers included Bulgarian speakers that were Moslem
who wanted nothing more than to stay Turkish and included Bulgarian speakers
who adamantly fought against the Bulgarians procaliming
their Hellenic identity, having had it previously subsumed by the
Bulgarian church in the area for many centuries on and off.
Also Bulgarian numbers in 'Macedonia' falsely did not count the
Greeks in real area of Southern Macedonia, as they invariable in
their scam only referred to the area that Russia had previously tried
to create into a Greater Bulgaria (in order to gain access to the
Aegean area).
For real numbers in the area read the following:
According to a Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1904:
Greeks Bulgarians
Vilaeti of Thessaloniki 373,227 207,317
Vilaeti of Monastiri 261,283 178,412
Santzaki of Scopje 13,452 172,735
According to a Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1906, in the area
of Macedonia lived:
423,000 or 41.71% Muslims (Turks and Albanians)
259,000 or 27.30% Greeks
178,000 or 18.81% Bulgarians
13,150 or 1.39% Serbs
73,000 or 7.72% others"
Figures are presented by Italian ethnologist Amadori Virgili.
THESSALONIKI VILAYET 1913
Servia Sandjak
GREEKS 119,466
MOSLEMS 80,702
WALLACHIANS 1,460
JEWS 43
MISCELLANEOUS 3
Salonica Sandjak
GREEKS 233,508
BULGARIANS 70,096
MOSLEMS 189,600
WALLACHIANS 3,928
JEWS 65,730
MISCELLANEOUS 2,314
Serres Sandjak
GREEKS 96,513
BULGARIANS 98,586
MOSLEMS 122,303
WALLACHIANS 980
JEWS 3,005
Drama Sandjak
GREEKS 47,852
BULGARIANS 2,120
MOSLEMS 124,100
Total
GREEKS 497,339
BULGARIANS 170,802
MOSLEMS 516,705
WALLACHIANS 6,368
JEWS 68,778
MISCELLANEOUS 2,317
And history of the region, Bulgar:
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/1/0,5716,66071+1,00.html
For fair use only
ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA
Rumelia
Turkish RUMELI, the former Ottoman possessions in the Balkans. The name
means "land of the Romans"--i.e., Byzantines. The Turks first began to make
conquests in the Balkans in the mid-14th century. The land was divided into
fiefs of various size that were administered by cavalry officers; local
notables who converted to Islam also shared in the administration. The
administrative configuration of Rumelia changed frequently until 1864, when
the unit of administrative division became defined as the province, or
vilayet, which was in turn divided into sancak (subprovinces). The Danube
vilayet was formed first, in 1864, followed by those of Janina (Ioannina)
and Salonika (Thessaloníki, in Greece) in 1867. Under the Treaty of Berlin
(1878), the Danube vilayet formed the independent state of Bulgaria under
Ottoman suzerainty; southern Bulgaria formed the autonomous province of
Eastern Rumelia with its capital at Philippopoli (Plovdiv); and western
Rumelia was divided into the Edirne, Salonika, and Monastir ils (provinces).
In 1885 Bulgaria annexed Eastern Rumelia, and by the Treaty of Bucharest
(1913), Monastir was ceded to Serbia and Salonika to Greece; only Edirne
remained under Ottoman rule.
In the 15th and 16th centuries Rumelia functioned as a reservoir of the
devsirme (levy of Christian boys), who held the highest posts in the
Ottoman army and government. Rumelia was also a centre of Ottoman Islamic
culture, which flourished in the religious schools (medreses) and mosques in
Üsküb, Istip (Stip), Prizren, Pristina, Monastir, and Edirne. Islamic mystic
brotherhoods found large followings in Bulgaria, Albania,
and Bosnia-Herzegovina.
The false propaganda that you repeat above is part of the
Fyromian scam. It is completely false. When the Ottoman Turks
were driven out of the real area of ancient Macedonia by the
Macedonian and other Greeks in 1912/13 the area was called
Macedonia by the Greeks and all of the world from that time.
Greece formed the Directorate of Macedonia in 1913, the first
official use of the name Macedonia in the territory of Macedonia
since the disappearance of the Roman diocese.
http://truth.macedonia.gr/maps.html
"After the violent turmoil of the Balkan Wars, all was peaceful and quiet,
at least according to the report District Director of Langadhas had sent to
the prefect of Thessaloniki. And yet that same year (1914), the Ottoman
General Consulate of Salonika was protesting to the GOVERNOR GENERAL OF
MACEDONIA that a number of atrocities had been
committed against Muslims in the Langadhas district." pp.164
Anastasia N. Karakasidou, "Fields of Wheat, Hills of Blood", Chicago, 1997
For those interested in historical details, the name of the first Governor
of Macedonia was Constantinos Raktivan who was placed in office by the Greek
gvt. in 1913.
http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/doc4.html
http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/doc9.html
http://www.hri.org/Martis/contents/doc23.html
So you are speaking with forked-tongue, Bulgar, when you ignore
the true situation of the time and pretend that the whole area was
just Bulgarians.
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
Yannis
> Proclaimed Vevi Society Publishes Misinformation
>
> The "Allilovoithiticos Syllogos Vevis and Ladies Society" of Toronto,
Canada
> has just released a 2002 calendar. In addition to the monthly calendar is
> advertising from various sponsors. It seems that these sponsors support an
> organization that is based on a history of denial and suppression of the
> original ethnic Macedonian population of the village Banitsa.
>
> Many of the members of this organization and others like it are ethnically
> Macedonian. "If they are Macedonian, why do they belong to a Greek
society"
> you ask? That is a difficult question to answer but I will provide some
> background information for those who are unaware of the situation.
:))
Ya, very difficult: Because Macedonians were always Greeks.
Vevi was a Macedonian fairy while Banitsa is a Slav name. Why a Macedonian
would use a Slav name instead of a Macedonian ??
Yannis the Macedonian
Macedonia, Greece
> Macedonia is generally referred to as a region in the Balkans, an area of
> southern Europe east of Italy, and west of Turkey. In present-day
geographic
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> Canada, M4C 5A7
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